News Eyeing 2016, Jeb Bush signals focus on middle class

[fappingJack]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) ? Jeb Bush is offering policy prescriptions to boost the country's lagging middle class as he edges toward a presidential campaign.

The former Florida governor said Friday that political leaders need to overhaul the country's immigration and education systems, increase job training programs and ease energy regulations to spur economic growth.

Bush outlined his policy agenda in a speech to the annual convention of the National Automobile Dealers Association. It was his first public appearance since announcing his plans to explore a White House bid last month.

In wide-ranging remarks that tweaked President Obama and congressional leaders, Bush said success would depend on fostering a "climate of consensus and compromise" in Washington.

While Bush remained noncommittal about his 2016 decision, he has already started laying the groundwork for a potential campaign.

[epitome]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Bush I: "Read my lips, no new taxes..." — Lie. Also, war started.
Bush II: Tax cuts for middle class — tax cuts mostly benefited the top 1%. Also, two wars started.
Bush III: I'm all about the middle class. — OK, bud. Your constituents are stupid enough to believe your lies, but the rest of us aren't. Will he start three wars?

[AmeliaG]

How are any of those things supposed to create the prosperity to allow Americans to be consumers?

[MiamiBoyz]

What a family of total cunts!

If I wasn't an atheist I would certainly assume that family was satanic or had a least sold their evil souls to satan.

Of course, since elections are simply theatrical productions for the ignorant masses it really would not surprise me to have another one of those fuckers "running" the country.

America is doomed anyway so why not make it official with another fucking Bush!

[carpocratian]

I will never, ever trust any member of the Bush family.

Republicans don't care about the middle class, anyway.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by epitome

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Bush I: "Read my lips, no new taxes..." ? Lie. Also, war started.
Bush II: Tax cuts for middle class ? tax cuts mostly benefited the top 1%. Also, two wars started.
Bush III: I'm all about the middle class. ? OK, bud. Your constituents are stupid enough to believe your lies, but the rest of us aren't. Will he start three wars?

When's the last time lies kept someone from getting elected?

[Joshua G]

as much as i like jeb, until the repubs find populism, like teddy roosevelt did, there is no point to a republican presidency, unless you make over 100K a year.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

How are any of those things supposed to create the prosperity to allow Americans to be consumers?

Obviously he must support raising minimum wage.. or tax cuts for the rich. I'm sure he's conflicted on which one he will support..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

What a family of total cunts!

If I wasn't an atheist I would certainly assume that family was satanic or had a least sold their evil souls to satan.

Of course, since elections are simply theatrical productions for the ignorant masses it really would not surprise me to have another one of those fuckers "running" the country.

America is doomed anyway so why not make it official with another fucking Bush!

Well so far the list of potential Republican contenders..

Jeb Bush..
Mitt Romney ..again..and again and again..
Marco Rubo or what ever his name his.. (crazy for short)
Donald Trump.. he must be lacking attention again..
The fat guy from Jersey..
Ron Paul's son.. trying to dum up attention yet again..

Those are all the ones I can think of at the moment.. but sadly Jeb Bush is the least insane of the bunch..

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by crockett

Those are all the ones I can think of at the moment.. but sadly Jeb Bush is the least insane of the bunch..

what is so insane about christie? the only thing i object to with him is that he tries too hard to be rude in townhall type meetings, in order to generate press.

of all the candidates he is the only one that seems to work with dems, right? of course, working with dems will ensure he does not get the nod.

[kane]

The problem is that most of these things aren't going to help the economy or the middle class much. Until we start doing things that encourage companies to create middle class wage paying jobs in this country all the education, immigration reform and job training in the world won't help.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

what is so insane about christie? the only thing i object to with him is that he tries too hard to be rude in townhall type meetings, in order to generate press.

of all the candidates he is the only one that seems to work with dems, right? of course, working with dems will ensure he does not get the nod.

He is as dirty as they come.. He's from New Jersey after all. Look at his history of scandals with money around Katrina he has way too much dirt in his background to make a serious run, why yea think he didn't get anywhere last time?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that most of these things aren't going to help the economy or the middle class much. Until we start doing things that encourage companies to create middle class wage paying jobs in this country all the education, immigration reform and job training in the world won't help.

are you aware of the 4 million tech sector jobs that are unfulfilled due to lack of americans who bother to educate themselves sufficient to get them?

what your proposing, fine sire, when you say business must create these jobs, is trickle down economics! I suspect you dont support that economic theory.

fact is business is not going to supply jobs that they dont have a business need to create. It would help the unskilled a great deal, with the tech revolution, to get off the couch, stop watching breaking bad, & crack open a science book.

just IMO

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

what is so insane about christie? the only thing i object to with him is that he tries too hard to be rude in townhall type meetings, in order to generate press.

of all the candidates he is the only one that seems to work with dems, right? of course, working with dems will ensure he does not get the nod.

I've always thought on the surface he would be a perfect candidate. He comes off like a straight shooter type of guy and has a sort of likability to him. He seems like the kind of guy you want to have a beer with and hang with.

He could also, in theory, put New Jersey in play for the republicans.

However, the word is that he has a lot of skeletons in his closet and dirt in his past that will be sure to come out and that would hurt his appeal.

Also, some of the people on the far right don't like him or think he is conservative enough.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

are you aware of the 4 million tech sector jobs that are unfulfilled due to lack of americans who bother to educate themselves sufficient to get them?

what your proposing, fine sire, when you say business must create these jobs, is trickle down economics! I suspect you dont support that economic theory.

fact is business is not going to supply jobs that they dont have a business need to create. It would help the unskilled a great deal, with the tech revolution, to get off the couch, stop watching breaking bad, & crack open a science book.

just IMO

I am well aware of the trade school employment gap. Right now if you are a diesel mechanic or a welder or similar trade there are plenty of well paying jobs out there for you. Right now we have a rash of people who decided to either skip any school after high school or do a full college degree because being a welder or a mechanic isn't sexy.

Anyway, what I am saying is that 20 years of shitty policies in this country have created an environment where is is very easy and profitable for companies to take their manufacturing overseas. Today if a guy was thinking about starting a company that made some product there is very little to attract him to building his business here in the US and in most cases he will end up putting at least the manufacturing leg of his company overseas.

I don't believe in trickle down economics. We have plenty of evidence to show that it doesn't work. However, I do believe in people who get an idea and want to start a business and that business eventually needs employees so the company does create jobs. The problem is that most of the jobs being created right now in this country are either low paying service and retail type jobs or high paying tech jobs. The mid range paying jobs are now in China and Guatemala and other third world places. The number one thing our nation needs is a strong middle class and until we figure out how to bring those types of jobs back or replace them with something elese it is going to be rough to maintain that.

[Rochard]

Politics is so silly. They are trying to market their package, and sell us on "what we think we need". They need - all politicians - need the votes of the middle class. They will give us the lip service and then fuck us in the ass later on without giving us the common decency of a reach around.

Meanwhile, the Governor of NJ is in... Iowa..... Obviously he is trying to brand himself as a worldly politician instead of a small town governor from crappy NJ.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

I will never, ever trust any member of the Bush family.

Republicans don't care about the middle class, anyway.

I am honestly surprised that a Bush is considering running again. No matter how you look at it, the second Bush administration brought the United States and the rest of the world to it's knees... This was the worst President we have had in our lifetime. People were loosing their jobs and then their houses; My neighborhood had become a ghost town because so many people had lost their house.

I understand Jeb isn't his brother but.... The general public isn't ready for another Bush.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

I've always thought on the surface he would be a perfect candidate. He comes off like a straight shooter type of guy and has a sort of likability to him. He seems like the kind of guy you want to have a beer with and hang with.

He could also, in theory, put New Jersey in play for the republicans.

However, the word is that he has a lot of skeletons in his closet and dirt in his past that will be sure to come out and that would hurt his appeal.

Also, some of the people on the far right don't like him or think he is conservative enough.

sadly christie has no chance if Jeb is running. Not only will Jeb get the christian nutters, he will get some moderates too who know he is not his brother.

Originally Posted by kane

The mid range paying jobs are now in China and Guatemala and other third world places. The number one thing our nation needs is a strong middle class and until we figure out how to bring those types of jobs back or replace them with something elese it is going to be rough to maintain that.

those jobs are in guatemala because thats where free markets dictate they belong. We can certainly bring those jobs back by eliminating minimum wages. But its pointless to discuss that since it is the wrong direction & will never happen.

The reason #2 is the religion of shareholder value that took hold in MBA programs as the 80s went on. As the labor is nothing more than a cost center to wharton MBAs, & there is no morality left in business school, the labor side gets the shaft.

a solution you & i would agree upon is a good dose of elizabeth warren style populism! jack up those tariffs. Stop this unfair trade crap with china. alter the taxes to incentivize insourcing instead of outsourcing.

& maybe Harvard business school should do studies on Costco & market basket & realize that paying higher wages gives you better employees & happier customers due to those happier employees.

good luck with getting the 1% on board with that. They might have to sacrifice a yacht!

[epitome]

Bush Sr's statement on King Abdullah's death:

I was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of my dear friend and partner King Abdullah. As President, I found His Majesty always to be a wise and reliable ally, helping our nations build on a strategic relationship and enduring friendship dating back to World War II.

Of course, following the invasion of Kuwait, I will never forget the way Saudi Arabia and the United States stood together against a common foe — marking a moment of unparalleled cooperation between two great nations.

Barbara and the entire Bush family joins me in sending our most sincere condolences to all our friends in Saudi Arabia. We are thinking of them at this difficult time.

Partner is the understatement of the century.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I understand Jeb isn't his brother but.... The general public isn't ready for another Bush.

that depends. assuming hillary is the dem, she is a known quantity & has high negatives among independents.

in contrast, jebs baggage has nothing to do with him at all. He actually has a decent record to run on. If hillary has one of her elitist bimbo eruptions (like i was poor when i left the white house LOL), people may look at jeb with fresh eyes. just IMO.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

sadly christie has no chance if Jeb is running. Not only will Jeb get the christian nutters, he will get some moderates too who know he is not his brother.



those jobs are in guatemala because thats where free markets dictate they belong. We can certainly bring those jobs back by eliminating minimum wages. But its pointless to discuss that since it is the wrong direction & will never happen.

The reason #2 is the religion of shareholder value that took hold in MBA programs as the 80s went on. As the labor is nothing more than a cost center to wharton MBAs, & there is no morality left in business school, the labor side gets the shaft.

a solution you & i would agree upon is a good dose of elizabeth warren style populism! jack up those tariffs. Stop this unfair trade crap with china. alter the taxes to incentivize insourcing instead of outsourcing.

& maybe Harvard business school should do studies on Costco & market basket & realize that paying higher wages gives you better employees & happier customers due to those happier employees.

good luck with getting the 1% on board with that. They might have to sacrifice a yacht!

I completely agree about tariffs. There are many places in the world that tax the hell out of US goods, but we don't do it to them in return. By taking away the incentive of moving offshore it can keep those jobs here.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

that depends. assuming hillary is the dem, she is a known quantity & has high negatives among independents.

in contrast, jebs baggage has nothing to do with him at all. He actually has a decent record to run on. If hillary has one of her elitist bimbo eruptions (like i was poor when i left the white house LOL), people may look at jeb with fresh eyes. just IMO.

Jeb has suggested that the Republican party become more progressive.

One of many examples he's given is to stop fighting against marriage equality. He feels that there are a lot of gay people who would happily vote Republican if they didn't feel like doing so was a vote against their own human rights. I know I fall into that category.

While things like that are great, and would likely help secure a lot of votes from the middle, he is still going to have to go far right to pick up those votes. The far right does not give an inch. There is no compromise.

Once elected, he'll have to worry about securing a second term.

He'll be forced to be a politician and pander to his base, which is far more right than he personally identifies as.

[carpocratian]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

are you aware of the 4 million tech sector jobs that are unfulfilled due to lack of americans who bother to educate themselves sufficient to get them?

That's a myth, at least when it comes to computer-oriented work.

I have been doing IT work for a few decades, and started doing Internet-based corporate programming and development in the early 90s (a year before the Mosaic browser came out, in fact - I was doing Gopher pages). I saw the rise of the Internet, the dotcom boom, the expansion of H1B visas, etc.

There is no shortage of computer professionals in America. There hasn't been a shortage in the last 20 years. The push to take things offshore came from corporations who didn't want to pay American wages. The push for more H1B workers came from corporations who wanted employees who they could force into ridiculous levels of unpaid overtime and dispose of easily when they didn't want them anymore.

I worked for a number of very large corporations who did those things as soon as cheap foreign tech labor became a possibility. I was in on a lot of meetings where the decision makers stated that openly. For about a decade most of my friends were in the IT industry, too, and I still have a lot of friends and acquaintances in it. The "shortage of American IT workers" is still just as much a myth as it was in the past.

[bronco67]

Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the middle class. Is this the first con job they're going to latch onto to make us think they have a soul now? What's next, saying they want to adopt Mexicans that cross the border?

The act will fail, because we all know a conservative's bread and butter is lower taxes. The next thing on the list is lower taxes.

[2MuchMark]

Jeb will have a serious hard time winning because of his family. Then again he's definitely smarter than W, so he might have a chance. I'd rather see him in office than Romney.

[GregE]

It's like the new flavor of the week. All of the Republican hopefuls are now pretending that they actually give a rat's ass about the middle class.

Even this guy...

[L-Pink]

Another Republican hate fest. Imagine that, the only party that is full of shit.

[dyna mo]

watch the republican controlled congress enact sweeping tax changes that positively impact the middle class immediately and directly = adios Hilary.


and jeb was always THE guy. he was the one the family planned for the WH, not goergie. but bushie won texas and JB lost and that was that.

but saying the republicans can't embrace the middle class is like saying liberals are against banning shit. they'll embrace the living shit out of this voting segment.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by epitome

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Bush I: "Read my lips, no new taxes..." ? Lie. Also, war started.
Bush II: Tax cuts for middle class ? tax cuts mostly benefited the top 1%. Also, two wars started.
Bush III: I'm all about the middle class. ? OK, bud. Your constituents are stupid enough to believe your lies, but the rest of us aren't. Will he start three wars?

Wait, so all 3 are the same person?

Where is that thread about fallacies, lol.

ps: we all know gay boys do not vote republicans anyway

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by epitome

Jeb has suggested that the Republican party become more progressive.

One of many examples he's given is to stop fighting against marriage equality. He feels that there are a lot of gay people who would happily vote Republican if they didn't feel like doing so was a vote against their own human rights. I know I fall into that category.

While things like that are great, and would likely help secure a lot of votes from the middle, he is still going to have to go far right to pick up those votes. The far right does not give an inch. There is no compromise.

Once elected, he'll have to worry about securing a second term.

He'll be forced to be a politician and pander to his base, which is far more right than he personally identifies as.

So if he loses far right for being too progressive, how would those far righters vote? democrats?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Another Republican hate fest. Imagine that, the only party that is full of shit.

Leftists (except those on handout recipients as they benefit for voting "rip off the rich and redistribute the lazies" left) are dumb enough to vote left, so they are dumb enough to think that repubs are full of shit and dems are saints
Just fools, rabble

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So if he loses far right for being too progressive, how would those far righters vote? democrats?

They stay home and don't vote, just like they did with Romney in 2012.

[kane]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So if he loses far right for being too progressive, how would those far righters vote? democrats?

Some will. In 2008 Obama got about 9% of the registered republican vote and about 20% of those who identify themselves as conservative voted for him.

So some would vote for the democrat, some would vote for a third party candidate and others simply won't vote.