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Old 08-16-2015, 06:48 AM   #51
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deluding yourself about who's fault your debt is is what keeps you on the bottom.


"no mommy, I didn't borrow myself into a hole, it was that big bad rich guy"
I find that comment funny. VERY

Funny because with the rules the way they are, The major banks (like Morgan Stanly and Chase) have walked away from debt of millions of dollars for each instance in bankruptcy for real estate deals that were their deals. Totaling in the multi-billions.
If it were a individual, they would want to lock them up in jail. But the banks can not only do it, they actually get a lower effective tax rate for it.

I own 4 houses free and clear... NO MORTGAGES. The locals that work at wal-mart can not provide for their families. To think that the locals gave them a tax break to locate here and our taxes went up to provide a infrastructure of water and roads to provide for them. Just so they could destroy the remaining tax base by putting all the independent biz out to dry. So the people end up paying for all the infrastructure that corporate America needs and can have a free ride to use and enjoy for their betterment. And when they do there dirty deeds overseas, it is the people who loose their blood and treasure.

Add up all the merger and acquisition that has destroyed 10% of all jobs in the past 20 years and put some extra thought to those that can not afford to retire and you can see why the job market is so bleak.

Well, I can only say that if there is no money at the bottom, enjoy staring at your gold while the rest go hungry looking for ways to steal some.

Corporations don't own their slaves now-a-days, they rent them. Just like politicians.

Corporations are people too.... haven't you herd ? They have more rights than a citizen so I guess they should re-write the declaration of independence, starting with "we the corporations"

For all those that tout personal responsibility, ask yourself where is that in the corporate world? Who do you put in jail when their neglect (willful or not) cost lives. Who is accountable for their actions then ? The double standard needs to end.
A corporate charter can not be a license to get away with anything.
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:44 AM   #52
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If you have to mortgage your house or become indebted otherwise to pay for your children's or your own education -- then it is an unjustified but needed debt ...

If you have to mortgage your house or become indebted otherwise to pay for your children's or your own medical expenses from a unforeseen illness -- then it is an unjustified but needed debt ...

If you have to mortgage your house or become indebted otherwise to pay for a consumer product you cannot afford -- then the debt is a burden you place on yourself -- don't whine about the new car you bought or the new bla ... bla ... bla ... manage your own finances to suit your income. Buying consumer goods is a voluntary decision on your part.

I would like to see Bernie influence the political debate to more equitable public tax supported higher education, more importantly higher quality and relevant education, available to all that are qualified to study toward useful careers today -- that should be a right and I would be willing to pay a reasonable tax to these ends.

I would like to see Bernie influence the political debate to a more equitable public tax supported universal healthcare at a minimal level -- you should be able to buy private insurance if you want top-flight service but private insurance should not be a need to access preventive care basic hospitalization for some urgent needed life saving or critical medical care -- that should be a right and I would be willing to pay a reasonable tax to these ends.

As far as the $15/hr minimum wage -- if you are an educated, trained, or experienced worker you are, or should be, getting that wage, or better now. However, if you are a worker like the garden department cashier that miss-rang a close-out item that the sign said was 75% off as 50% off and unable to do the math in her head to my question what is 75% of a regular price of $6.99 then you cannot convince me that she is worth $15/hr -- I could solve that problem by 4th grade!

I had a problem this week with my ISP modem. It took 5 days to resolve and I spoke with 15 foreign call center ISP customer support lame-brains and 3 USA based call center ISP customer support lame-brains. After 4 service calls and one lineman dispatched ... ... at the end of all of those attempts was: The new modem they installed *(later found with defective firmware by me) -- "it has wireless but the Ethernet won't work but that's OK you have internet the router and network is your problem! bye -- ass-hats. Finally, yesterday [Saturday], they sent a 5th technician and I told him just replace the modem again and don't waste your, and my time. Guess what? Boom! All my networking fired up fine. This Tech knew how to assign my static IPs from a list the first Tech made to the ISP supplied entry point Motorola modem/router MADE IN THAILAND -- all done in 20 minutes -- because he agreed with my diagnosis of the issue and didn't chant the ATT mantra.

Point of the story is: people that can't think problems out and reason with logic are not worth $15/hr + benefits = $26/hr? We need low skilled workers for many tasks but if they do not have the education, or logical power of reasoning, they simply are not with over $40K a year with benefits. BTW, every call I made was answered by a not so bright AI programmed device ... The writing is on the wall -- read it!
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:46 AM   #53
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[C]orporations don't own their slaves now-a-days, they rent them. Just like politicians.

Corporations are people too.... haven't you herd ? They have more rights than a citizen so I guess they should re-write the declaration of independence, starting with "we the corporations" ...
That I will agree with ...
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:15 AM   #54
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I and every small business owner is a "corporation".

You guys are missing that part in your attack on corporations. And yes...I am a person.

It blows my mind that you would think that having a big company like Walmart come into town is a "bad" thing.
First off it employs hundreds of people who didn't have ANY job before.

How can that be "bad"? Because mom and pop stores go out of business?

What mom and pop stores would you be talking about?

The corner drugstore with the soda pop fountain and the kindly old pharmacist? Oh wait...Walgreens and CVS have already been put in every town in America. And do the job at a much more efficient and inexpensive rate...and oh yeah, they employ lots of pharmacists and allow them to provide for their families.
Small pharmacies have evolved by the way. They are Compounding Pharmacies and do quite well no matter how many CVS, Walgreens, or Walmarts are in town because they create specialized mixtures of drugs.

Or how about the mom and pop grocery store? LOL! I haven't seen one of those ANYWHERE since I was a kid in the 1960's. Nobody shops at those.

How about the mom and pop clothing store? Uh...dumbasses, those too have been gone for decades. Sears, JC Penny, Belks, etc. are where people were already shopping for their clothing.
The small mom and pop stores have evolved by the way. In most every town in the USA they have revitalized their downtown areas and the mom and pop stores are now boutiques.

I totally 100% disagree with your "EVIL CORPORATION" theories.
People are not slaves and are not forced to go to work for Walmart. And Walmart is not their mommy and daddy and shouldn't have to hold their hands and wipe their asses through this thing called life.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:49 PM   #55
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We are talking about multi-national corporations and multi-billion dollar (or euro) global or national corporations. FYI "small business" "corporations" or other organisational entities have less that $100 Million in annual revenues.

Robbie, you are taking the term "corporation" out of context and trying to defend something. So, what is your point?



This election is bought and paid for. There should be some caps on this ridiculous spending.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:56 PM   #56
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Robbie, you are taking the term "corporation" out of context and trying to defend something. So, what is your point?

This election is bought and paid for. There should be some caps on this ridiculous spending.
My point is exactly what I said in my post. No need to repeat myself for you.

And you're right, the election is bought and paid for...with the exception of Trump who is refusing any campaign contributions.

The rest of the candidates are, as Trump said...Puppets beholden to the PEOPLE (you know, the ones that actually own and run those evil corporations) who contribute to them.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:31 PM   #57
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You really are a one trick pony, aren't you.
Why would I call you different things each time I notice you?
You only have one trick, I simply identify you.
You see, no matter how many different names you come back here as, YOU don't change.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:38 PM   #58
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I find that comment funny. VERY

Funny because with the rules the way they are, The major banks (like Morgan Stanly and Chase) have walked away from debt of millions of dollars for each instance in bankruptcy for real estate deals that were their deals. Totaling in the multi-billions.
If it were a individual, they would want to lock them up in jail. But the banks can not only do it, they actually get a lower effective tax rate for it.

I own 4 houses free and clear... NO MORTGAGES. The locals that work at wal-mart can not provide for their families. To think that the locals gave them a tax break to locate here and our taxes went up to provide a infrastructure of water and roads to provide for them. Just so they could destroy the remaining tax base by putting all the independent biz out to dry. So the people end up paying for all the infrastructure that corporate America needs and can have a free ride to use and enjoy for their betterment. And when they do there dirty deeds overseas, it is the people who loose their blood and treasure.

Add up all the merger and acquisition that has destroyed 10% of all jobs in the past 20 years and put some extra thought to those that can not afford to retire and you can see why the job market is so bleak.

Well, I can only say that if there is no money at the bottom, enjoy staring at your gold while the rest go hungry looking for ways to steal some.

Corporations don't own their slaves now-a-days, they rent them. Just like politicians.

Corporations are people too.... haven't you herd ? They have more rights than a citizen so I guess they should re-write the declaration of independence, starting with "we the corporations"

For all those that tout personal responsibility, ask yourself where is that in the corporate world? Who do you put in jail when their neglect (willful or not) cost lives. Who is accountable for their actions then ? The double standard needs to end.
A corporate charter can not be a license to get away with anything.
I find that comment funny. VERY.
Do you know how many Americans have walked away from billions of dollars of real estate debt and have it forgiven? It seems your inaccurate fairytale on what would happen if an individual did it needs a little tightning up.

And your Walmart story? Sounds like your town (all of those brilliant individuals that the rich are holding down) cut their own throats.

It's always someone else's fault. Got it.
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