EonBlue

Historically that is correct.

Presently some have more blood on their hands than others. Way more. And it's not christians or jews. Engaging in moral relativism in today's world will get us nowhere. It's time to stop excusing the present sins of one group because of the past sins of other groups.


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Rob

That would be a fair argument if Palestine was ever actually an established country before 1988. It was a under British control until 1948 when it was partitioned to make room for the displaced post WWII Israelite people.

So let's revisit your analogy with that in mind.

There is a house that people are squatting, still owned by the bank (Britain and UN). Your neighborhood was destroyed, so the bank tells you that you can move into the guest house of one of their properties. The current occupants, squatters, are upset so they bring over a bunch of friends and try to physically remove you and your family. You fight back and win control over a larger portion of the house. As punishment for their attack, you condemn them to the garage. They cause all kinds of trouble, and eventually recruit your neighbors to try to remove you. Once again, you win and in return, take a larger portion of the house, and some of your neighbor's yards.

Now everyone around you is pissed off because they can't evict you, and in the process, lost some of their property. All you want to do is live in the house and get on with your life, but the people now living in your tool shed, and your neighbors all want you gone, simply because you beat them when they tried to evict you. You were never the aggressor, they were.

Now they're all vandalizing your house, trying to light it on fire, randomly killing your children...and you're expected not to fight back, or protect yourself. Yeah, right. Fuck that shit. If Israel didn't have restraint, they would have already kicked the shit out of everything brown in that area.

Joshua G

i can understand your logic.

but if you look back to 1948 UN map, there is most definitely area that is called "palestine" that sits right next to Israel.

i feel that the native arab people who've lived there, & lived on a land they called palestine, regardless of the colonial overseer of the day, that these people had & have inalienable human rights, the same defined in the US declaration of independence. So we have to deal with the facts of today, in part because who owned what 50 & 70 years back is becoming too far out to be important to young people alive today, who are fed up with the so called "occupation" & they are not listening to their elders who want to broker a deal, since deals have been failing for 20 years now.

i see analogies of the state of palestinians as similar to the US indians in the 19th century . The USA was not nice to those people & today they are decimated drunks whose only millionaires are bequeathed casinos by the Man. Thats the future i see for those arabs trapped inside israeli controlled "gray areas" they got no rights & no future, i dont blame them for revolting.

just IMO.