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[Mutt]

I'm looking for feedback/advice on non-custom webcam system software - i know of these two - if there are others let me know please. And any feedback about these two, pluses, minuses on features, plans, technology etc much appreciated.

Live video chat script with billing

LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution

thanks

[freecartoonporn]

get one which comes with open source so you can modify it as per your requirement.
and has good support even for few $$ .

[adultmobile]

"AdultMobile ---->" lol adultmobile inside? here I am.
It depends what you (or whoever you advise) is wanting to do. Is this cam stream for just a member area (then you should just pck cheapest stream plugin), or, trying to launch a competitor of streamate/myfreecams (this requires 5 million dollars)? Or something else?

Originally Posted by Mutt

Live video chat script with billing

This is dmity's Video conferencing and chat software with e-commerce backend and leading streaming technologies , I know 3 or 4 guys who had setup a cam with him (one I sent myself) and it works. So I recommend.

About LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution , LiveCamNetwork , the guy is around since ages and will sure write a reply here. I do not know people using this.

There are few others like Video Streaming Software, PPM & Webcam Chat Software, Video & PPV Chat Script | ModenaCam (someone was selling his license for $500 or so here or in another board), and Video chat software by Eyepartner however my experience it is that jamoncam is way more expensive than dmitry's softservice.

I remind you that 99% of the actual cam sites (chaturbate, myfreecams, streamate, flirt4free, cams.com, bongacams, tubecamgirl, whatever...) got custom software, not using any of the above systems.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

"AdultMobile ---->" lol adultmobile inside? here I am.
It depends what you (or whoever you advise) is wanting to do. Is this cam stream for just a member area (then you should just pck cheapest stream plugin), or, trying to launch a competitor of streamate/myfreecams (this requires 5 million dollars)? Or something else?



This is dmity's Video conferencing and chat software with e-commerce backend and leading streaming technologies , I know 3 or 4 guys who had setup a cam with him (one I sent myself) and it works. So I recommend.

About LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution , LiveCamNetwork , the guy is around since ages and will sure write a reply here. I do not know people using this.

There are few others like Video Streaming Software, PPM & Webcam Chat Software, Video & PPV Chat Script | ModenaCam (someone was selling his license for $500 or so here or in another board), and Video chat software by Eyepartner however my experience it is that jamoncam is way more expensive than dmitry's softservice.

I remind you that 99% of the actual cam sites (chaturbate, myfreecams, streamate, flirt4free, cams.com, bongacams, tubecamgirl, whatever...) got custom software, not using any of the above systems.

Thanks for replying, you're the only cam biz guy who posts objectively and informatively here. Not trying to compete with any cam site large or small. I have some models who say they want to cam but don't want to be on MFC, Streamate,Chaturbate but want much the same basic functions - simple to use model admin/encoder,tokens/tipping, private 1-on-1

Not taking any money from the girls, they get 100% of whatever they make from camming, so whatever system we go with I just want it to work and give me no headaches.

[vending_machine]

Mutt, what is their reasoning for not wanting to be on one of the larger platforms?

[2MuchMark]

Hi Mutt,

Do this : Shop around to see what everyone else has to offer (Modenacam is decent), but before you make a final decision, let us give you a free month trial for LiveCamNetwork 6.1. We'll even extend a generous Cyber-Monday discount to you for whenever you decide to purchase, for any license type you like.

LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution

Cheers man!

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Mutt,

Do this : Shop around to see what everyone else has to offer (Modenacam is decent), but before you make a final decision, let us give you a free month trial for LiveCamNetwork 6.1. We'll even extend a generous Cyber-Monday discount to you for whenever you decide to purchase, for any license type you like.

LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution

Cheers man!

Both my biz partner and I will contact you for a demo and questions. Can I use my own hosting with your software?

[Zuzana Designs]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Mutt,

Do this : Shop around to see what everyone else has to offer (Modenacam is decent), but before you make a final decision, let us give you a free month trial for LiveCamNetwork 6.1. We'll even extend a generous Cyber-Monday discount to you for whenever you decide to purchase, for any license type you like.

LiveCamNetwork: The Complete Videochat solution

Cheers man!

+1 for 2Much and Mark.

[j3rkules]

2much.net all the way.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I have some models who say they want to cam but don't want to be on MFC, Streamate,Chaturbate but want much the same basic functions - simple to use model admin/encoder,tokens/tipping, private 1-on-1.

And where their customers come from? If they got them in skype they can do skype shows for paypal and western unions... I mean, a cam system is overkill for "some models" if there's no marketing/affiliate campaigns.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Both my biz partner and I will contact you for a demo and questions.

Great, thanks!

Originally Posted by Mutt

Can I use my own hosting with your software?

No, sorry - LiveCamNetwork is an SaaS, or Software as a Service. It's a hosted solution, and includes free upgrades forever, 24/7 tech support, automatic scaling, etc. It also makes us a single contact point for any problems you might have.

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs

+1 for 2Much and Mark.

Thanks! (And check your email!)

Originally Posted by jerkules

2much.net all the way.

Thanks!

[$tandaman]

Hi Mutt,

We can likely help you @ ModelCentro

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

And where their customers come from? If they got them in skype they can do skype shows for paypal and western unions... I mean, a cam system is overkill for "some models" if there's no marketing/affiliate campaigns.

I know, that would be the simplest and I see many girls on Twitter doing this - but the major risk is Paypal shutting the girls accounts down. I see there's a company using OrbitalPay that does billing for independent cam girls using Skype/Yahoo that only takes 15%.

Lots of girls just don't understand or appreciate how the business works - to them a cam site taking 50-65% of the money they believe they are totally responsible for makes them upset - if you tell them that 50% of $1000($500) is surely better than 100% of $100($100) it falls upon deaf ears. Some may even understand this and still would rather make $100 than $500.

[C H R I S]

Adultmobile to the rescue

[chloelewis]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Lots of girls just don't understand or appreciate how the business works - to them a cam site taking 50-65% of the money they believe they are totally responsible for makes them upset - if you tell them that 50% of $1000($500) is surely better than 100% of $100($100) it falls upon deaf ears. Some may even understand this and still would rather make $100 than $500.

I think that's because many cam girls have regulars and most of their tips will come from the same people over and over. Now with social media, forums, we find many new fans without the help of the cam site and the affiliates.

If you look at like game streamers on Twitch, they receive donations like tips and can accept Paypal. Also Twitch do not take a commission for the donations.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Mutt

does billing for independent cam girls using Skype/Yahoo that only takes 15%.

Of course skype + paypal it is not as automated and safe as using a cam site, but if a girl wanted 100%, that's the only way. Adding a biller it is 10%+ as a minimum, adding a biller and an hosted cam site that's hardly less than 20% gone, also consider the bank fees are twice, fees of customer paying to site, then fees of site paying to model.

The universal hate of cam girls for cam sites it is not so logic. If the cam girls bring their own guys to the cam site, so the cam girl is also the affiliate, then the offering of the normal cam sites it is better. In this case you can pick the sites with the best model+affiliate combo offer, and you can get a final % as good as doing alone, without the issue of doing all yourself.

Just as an example, that I will not pick randomly, if a cam girl brings the customer to chatgf.com (one of our cam sites, I said it is not a random example), we give to the model $50 one time just because he signed up, and then 82% of what he spends with her, lifetime. Any model interested in this can register via cam2work.com

With some patience, a cam girl can check all the cam programs from a list of all the cam sites existing that I will not pick randomly, here is mine list:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-existing.html

For each cam company, you simply have to sum the % paid to model (normally ranges between 30% to 50% depending on site) with the % paid to the affiliate (ranges between 15% and 40%). The average sums you get is 60%, but the best sums are around the 80% which makes sense, given a 15%+ of minimal costs a cam site got too. Some cam companies (like our) add incentives *for models only*, like $50 per user one time, sort of PPS $50 + revshare 82% lifetime. Note we don't signup non-model affiliates for these offers.

Still, it is theorically possible that setting own system it eats less fees, but, I do not see this practically happening. So I would suggest either do skype + direct pay in some non-biller way (cash in envelope or pigeon) for 100%, or, be model+affiliate at the same time at one site which is up since some years, and google it for "non paying" keyword first as a double check.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by chloelewis

Now with social media, forums, we find many new fans without the help of the cam site and the affiliates.

I read in your twitter that you are "Founder of a new cam site, coming soon to replace Chaturbate and MyFreeCams.", that's quite bold, I hope you'll replace these 2 only and not our site too

[chloelewis]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

I read in your twitter that you are "Founder of a new cam site, coming soon to replace Chaturbate and MyFreeCams.", that's quite bold, I hope you'll replace these 2 only and not our site too

haha! I make my intentions clear! Go big or go home ;-)

Originally Posted by adultmobile

The universal hate of cam girls for cam sites it is not so logic.

I think the logic come from the fact that you have live streamers on Twitch or YouTube who don't pay a cut to the streaming site for tips/donations and they have better quality video and sound, better chat, better technology, etc.

It's frustrating because these streamers entertain the same it's just that they are not naked. So if you get naked, YouTube or Twitch don't want you so you have to go with the adult streaming sites who take a 50% cut of your tips/donations and you get worse quality video, etc.

[Dmitry]

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[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by chloelewis

I think the logic come from the fact that you have live streamers on Twitch or YouTube who don't pay a cut to the streaming site for tips/donations and they have better quality video and sound, better chat, better technology, etc.

It's frustrating because these streamers entertain the same it's just that they are not naked. So if you get naked, YouTube or Twitch don't want you so you have to go with the adult streaming sites who take a 50% cut of your tips/donations and you get worse quality video, etc.

The worse video it looks strange assumption, since we all use the same technology and it is just matter of setting the flash or encoder parameter. Unlike twitch users, the cam girls tend to stream in 5+ sites in splitcam, that's killing the stream quality in most cases. Also each cam site is different, you talk like all are "bad", I agree some are, but all?

The point you make which is undeniable, it is the 50% cut. First of all, most of this cut it is due to affiliate and media buying, which twitch and youtube especially have not. As I wrote before, we offer 82% to models who bring the customer, so the cut it is only 18%, which if you do some math on the bank fees for adult accounts, does not include really a "profit" type of cut. I mean, you should compare twitch and youtube cut with a cam sites cut given you're both model+affiliate, this is not 50% cut but a 30%-18% cut depending on site. Try to setup yourself a page which streams video and bills people for it and transfers this billed amount to yours, and you'll discover you don't get 100% either, Epoch biller for example got a 15% fee, then you have fees to move $$ to a payoneer, paxum or whatever bank transfer that's 20% easily just of bank and cards fees. Not adding taxes there, in case you wish to pay any.

You say if you get naked, twitch, youtube and let me add, apple store, android google play store, facebook, most of the advertising networks, and paypal's and banks, do not want you. This issue it is true the same for a single cam model and for the cam site company.
Young Skywalker (Leia), the force is strong in you, but, let the old Yoda tell you how things really go, and why this situation is as frustrating for adult site owners.

You compare Twitch and Youtube with the adult cam sites. Let's compare better.

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/twitch#/entity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitch..._by_Amazon.com

Twitch (which could benefit from being in app stores, facebooks and mainstream ad networks) has been supported by significant investments of venture capital, with US$15 million in 2012 (on top of US$7 million originally raised for Justin.tv), and US$20 million in 2013. Could do partnerships with lots of brands. [Note that until that date, the company was not profitable, it just burned bankers money].
On August 25, 2014, it was announced that Amazon.com Inc. would acquire Twitch Interactive for US$970 million. [note: In 2015, Amazon surpassed Walmart as the most valuable retailer in the United States by market capitalization, revenue is $90 billion]. I suppose Amazon got credit card processing fees as low as 0.5% while adult sites get 10%+, also Amazon got hosting cost 100 times less than any normal company, since owns amazon web services.

Just to be sure they're no adult in any way: In May 2015, Twitch amended its terms of use, explicitly banning the streaming of games rated "Adults Only" (AO) by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB).

Not even worth to mention YouTube as I believe everyone knows who Google is.

Adult cam sites, all of them, small or "big" (where big is anyway small compared to any of the above): they pay 10% billing fees instead of 1% just because "high risk", and many pay options are banned (American Express etc.). None adult site has been supported by any investment by any venture capital or bank, all should be setup by founder(s) private money only, and you could not even ask money to people as it is better if no one knows what you're doing anyway. None could stay up in loss for years in hope Amazon or Google will buy out, need to make profit from the start, or close, i.e. small fees for a service means the guys are in loss for years in wait to bank when they sell for $1 billion as twitch done.
Adult sites can not stay in loss for years, no one gives cash credit and no one buys out the site at the end, not for stellar amounts anyway. Adult cam sites can not have apps on iphone or google stores, can not do partnerships with any brand, can't have viral campaigns going on social sites (except a bit of twitter, but, twitter already set to ban adult, they all ban adult when big), all what you can do is buy adverts in porn tubes on rely on few affiliates who are in turn banned all the time because they post adult stuff around.

In short, if the twitch and youtube founders (same people, same good guys) had run a cam site instead, they had most surely ended up with 50% cut like others, which if you bring the customer yourself, is lowered to bare site costs 20%. Simple they was more smart and kept out of adult.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by chloelewis

I think that's because many cam girls have regulars and most of their tips will come from the same people over and over. Now with social media, forums, we find many new fans without the help of the cam site and the affiliates.

If you look at like game streamers on Twitch, they receive donations like tips and can accept Paypal. Also Twitch do not take a commission for the donations.

That's great that some girls can do well without a cam site providing customers - i do doubt that any of those girls are making what the top girls on a big cam site are making and that's with MFC taking up to 50% of her gross sales. To each his/her own, which is why we are looking for cam software because this small group of girls don't want to be on a cam site and we're not going to take any of their cam earnings. I have no idea if they'll cam much at all.

How does Twitch make money if they don't take any % of donations? Advertising?

You decided not to launch your cam site Chloe?

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

The worse video it looks strange assumption, since we all use the same technology and it is just matter of setting the flash or encoder parameter.

Not so strange, MFC's video quality is terrible, Streamate on the other hand is on par with Twitch. Why would MFC's video quality be worse if the technology is basically the same? And this includes the MFC girls who invest in professional lighting and better video cameras, it's still not the quality of the better streams on SM. I think Chaturbate's video quality is better than MFC's too. I was wondering if MFC deliberately limits the quality of its streams to maintain the 'amateur' vibe it has. They've had that ugly design forever for the same reason.

[MikeAMS]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I have some models who say they want to cam but don't want to be on MFC, Streamate,Chaturbate but want much the same basic functions - simple to use model admin/encoder,tokens/tipping, private 1-on-1

Check out Skyprivate.com, perhaps not directly what you are looking for but it's def worth it to have a look at.
It saves the models a lot of hassle...

Let me know if you like it and i can forward you the contact details

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Not so strange, MFC's video quality is terrible, Streamate on the other hand is on par with Twitch. Why would MFC's video quality be worse if the technology is basically the same?

The site server only forwards the video it received by the model "as is", and the player simply play this "as is", so the different is only in the model's pc and internet. If internet speed and pc is super fast, the different is only in the settings of the encoder, really, like the width * height in pixels, the framerate, the quality/compression (0% to 99%), the key frame, the total bandwidth to use...

The video settings... it could be that MFC set these to lower quality for some reason such as cause lower traffic (saves cost), if really their video is less nice than some others. The H264 encoding (I don't think any still uses H263, that's outdated in flash since 2011), got so many parameters you can change in flash player encoder, and even more if you use external encoders.
For example, just limited to screen resolution, I could set site-wide a 1024x768 size, but this would make 1 frame per minute to Philippines models. Setting site-wide to 320x240 would make fast the Philippines but low quality the others with faster speed. In fact we set the filipina accounts at 320x240 while the russian at 640x480 etc. editing the per-model parameters in accounts.
The best really is to allow to change the encoding parameters model by model by the model, and/or by the user. In fact the model and user may have different video taste too, ultimately the user is who pays. Without give a dozen of parameters to edit which is overkill to most (even to who invented H254 format himself), in chatgf we got a quality = low, med, high switch (3 options) that both model and user can touch, so if the guy sees video slow at "high", clicks med or low, or vice versa a guy who prefers detail over the framerate or picked a girl with super fast internet and PC, may pick "high" over medium, or whatever they wish even if they're completely wrong and making the video look obviously worst, as long as they're happy with the video.

Let me add however, that the cam girls doing the most money are not those with the best video. In fact some time it is the opposite, very amateurish and blurred videos from integrated cam of notebook in cell phone slow connection and she talks 60 minutes with a guy at $3 per minute, amazing but that's how we do money in cams, believe it or not.

[Dmitry]

Video quality depends on all of those factors:
1) Internet speed (2+Mbps stable UPLOAD stream with low latency)
2) Webcam device/hardware (Logitech C910 or better)
3) Light intensity - webcam sensor is pretty small and to be able to grab 30 FPS the light should be bright enough or sensor will need more time to grab video frame
4) Avoid flickering (Light frequency should be compatible with frequency of webcam FPS)
5) Fast CPU required. Even 2 similar i5 based laptops would give a different result. Laptop should be fast enough or it would not be able to catch 30 FPS

Check any popular websites and you will see 90% (more or less) of webcam streams are pretty bad, only small part of girls/studios can set up good hardware/light/room/furniture and get high attention from customers. You will also realize good quality streams always stay on top of online models list - that's why you might think webcam site is good. It more depends on video stream coming from girls

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Mikey Verotel

Check out Skyprivate.com, perhaps not directly what you are looking for but it's def worth it to have a look at.
It saves the models a lot of hassle...

Let me know if you like it and i can forward you the contact details

Does skyprivate still charge 30% and take several months to pay out?