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ianmoone332000 · 03-19-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve

While broadcasters can post their affiliate referral links on their bio, they are not allowed to request that existing users create new accounts. Please submit any instances you see of broadcasters misleading users to [email protected] so their account can be reviewed.

Hi Steve. Thanks for confirming this for us all. It is happening with some models and i hope a warning to them might nip it in the bud as its affiliate theft IMO. People should now email Chaturbate support about models doing it

Brian mike · 03-19-2019, 11:39 AM

It feel very great to read this!

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Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve

While broadcasters can post their affiliate referral links on their bio, they are not allowed to request that existing users create new accounts. Please submit any instances you see of broadcasters misleading users to [email protected] so their account can be reviewed.

AMEN

ianmoone332000 · 03-19-2019, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian mike

It feel very great to read this!

AMEN

Yep lets get reporting folks

Brian mike · 03-19-2019, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Yep lets get reporting folks

Clara chang #1

Mohawk Steve · 03-19-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian mike

Clara chang #1

She has been notified

Mohawk Steve · 03-19-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

This is the sort of thing I see all the time. And this has been on the front page for a few hours now despite there being no show.

Please report this to Support when you encounter broadcasters doing this so they can be reviewed.

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Originally Posted by drexl

New Navigation!

I like it: nice design and all buttons (login, signup, and everything.. ) have disappeared!

Oh, and try to click the top ad banner for a fun surprise (chaturbate ad banner is rendered unclickable.)

Source: https://chaturbate.com/yesikasaenz/

All of those infringing graphics were removed.

Holy Damage · 03-19-2019, 05:47 PM

cbarnaby · 03-20-2019, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

I am still dubious what good it is to use a whitelabel instead of sending traffic directly to their main brand. Unless there is a possibility to smoothly integrate the registration/payment within your own website.

What are your thoughts everyone?

A whitelabel gives you the advantage of owning your own brand. If you already have an established brand, let's say brandylicious.com (jsut a made up example), then owning a whitelabel like brandyliciouslive.com or brandyliciouscams.com would make sense, because people already know about the name brandylicious, which is an established brand.

Sometimes visitors signup with a nickname that they do not like anymore after some time, and they want to make a new account with a new name, one that represent them better, one that is more appropriate to who they are or who they imagine they are. Others simply believe it is cool to surprise the girls with a different name each time they come online. This is especially true for sites focused on private shows, not free chat shows. They think the girl is in the seventh Heaven when he opens his cam and, to her surprise, there he is, her 'boyfriend', her 'sweetheart', her 'husband to be'. I know this from first hand sources, so it is true. So if you promote the main site, do you honestly believe the member will go to your site again and look for the affiliate link to signup with his second account? Of course not, he will simply go to the main site. He maybe doesn't even remember that he landed on chaturbate or any other main site by using your website first.

On the other hand, if he is on a whitelabel, he can create as many additional accounts as he desires. You will get paid anyway, because the whitelabel is domain based tracking, unlike the main site, which is cookie based tracking. But since models are entitled to have their own affiliate program, they use any means to overwrite your cookie and to steal the already existing traffic and make it their own.

Why should affiliate programs for models be discontinued? Because the model is paid anyway if she brings an outside member to her chat room and converts him into her fan. So it is still in her advantage to bring traffic to her room, with or without affiliate program. But webmasters survive only through affiliate programs, since they do not broadcast. So webmasters should be let to do their job, while models do theirs. All this 'revolution' in this thread happens for one reason: because models get affiliate commission, that is why everyone is pissed here, because they try to get that commission instead of focusing on making money by broadcasting. A model broadcasts, a webmaster sends traffic, this is the natural order of things.

And one more thing for chaturbate: webmasters should not be doing police work, meaning spying on models and searching for the ones that break the rules, and then contact the support to tell on them. They have more important things to focus on, like sending you traffic. The models should be notified via a pop-up message when they log in, it is as simple as that. And if they are caught breaking the rules, they should be punished, by temporarily closing their account, or taking a big percentage of their earning away, or... (fill in the blanks). It is a logical and fair solution. If it is not implemented, it is because chaturbate doesn't want to stop the stealing. Anyone can see that, and if someone doesn't se it, then he is either blind or has no business being a webmaster.

oce520 · 03-20-2019, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve

While broadcasters can post their affiliate referral links on their bio, they are not allowed to request that existing users create new accounts. Please submit any instances you see of broadcasters misleading users to [email protected] so their account can be reviewed.

thats great new!thank you sir!

moniq1000 · 03-20-2019, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

A whitelabel gives you the advantage of owning your own brand. If you already have an established brand, let's say brandylicious.com (jsut a made up example), then owning a whitelabel like brandyliciouslive.com or brandyliciouscams.com would make sense, because people already know about the name brandylicious, which is an established brand.

Sometimes visitors signup with a nickname that they do not like anymore after some time, and they want to make a new account with a new name, one that represent them better, one that is more appropriate to who they are or who they imagine they are. Others simply believe it is cool to surprise the girls with a different name each time they come online. This is especially true for sites focused on private shows, not free chat shows. They think the girl is in the seventh Heaven when he opens his cam and, to her surprise, there he is, her 'boyfriend', her 'sweetheart', her 'husband to be'. I know this from first hand sources, so it is true. So if you promote the main site, do you honestly believe the member will go to your site again and look for the affiliate link to signup with his second account? Of course not, he will simply go to the main site. He maybe doesn't even remember that he landed on chaturbate or any other main site by using your website first.

On the other hand, if he is on a whitelabel, he can create as many additional accounts as he desires. You will get paid anyway, because the whitelabel is domain based tracking, unlike the main site, which is cookie based tracking. But since models are entitled to have their own affiliate program, they use any means to overwrite your cookie and to steal the already existing traffic and make it their own.

Why should affiliate programs for models be discontinued? Because the model is paid anyway if she brings an outside member to her chat room and converts him into her fan. So it is still in her advantage to bring traffic to her room, with or without affiliate program. But webmasters survive only through affiliate programs, since they do not broadcast. So webmasters should be let to do their job, while models do theirs. All this 'revolution' in this thread happens for one reason: because models get affiliate commission, that is why everyone is pissed here, because they try to get that commission instead of focusing on making money by broadcasting. A model broadcasts, a webmaster sends traffic, this is the natural order of things.

And one more thing for chaturbate: webmasters should not be doing police work, meaning spying on models and searching for the ones that break the rules, and then contact the support to tell on them. They have more important things to focus on, like sending you traffic. The models should be notified via a pop-up message when they log in, it is as simple as that. And if they are caught breaking the rules, they should be punished, by temporarily closing their account, or taking a big percentage of their earning away, or... (fill in the blanks). It is a logical and fair solution. If it is not implemented, it is because chaturbate doesn't want to stop the stealing. Anyone can see that, and if someone doesn't se it, then he is either blind or has no business being a webmaster.

white label is history for newcomers, there is to many from , you can forget about SEO and indexing!

cbarnaby · 03-20-2019, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by moniq1000

white label is history for newcomers, there is to many from , you can forget about SEO and indexing!

The main idea is not to expect people to find your whitelabel on search engines via your keywords, but to send traffic to your white label via another website which collects organic traffic (which is indexed). Just like your robo website, but sending traffic to a chaturbate whitelabel instead of sending it directly to chaturbate.

drexl · 03-20-2019, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve

Please report this to Support when you encounter broadcasters doing this so they can be reviewed.

All of those infringing graphics were removed.

Thank you Steve.
Though 1 infringing graphic remains, altering the layout and covering the upper right section that gives you access to your account profile + buy tokens + upgrade account

Can you tell me how broadcasters add this stuff, I went to my profile on chaturbate and I can't see it. I know some folks offer services for a fee to design models bio. What tool or access do they have that I don't have ? Do they work for cb? I'd like to know the "who" and "how".

Anyone knows?

drexl · 03-20-2019, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian mike

Clara chang #1

she moved her claradisation banner off the navigation links but I am still of the opinion that inciting members to signup with a username following a specific pattern such as c_[a-z0-9]+ is a questionable way to ask them to re-signup with her link. ie: reassigning existing members.

Like I said, this is only the visible part, imagine what can be done/said offline without anyone ever getting a chance to notice or proof anything.

sarettah · 03-20-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Thank you Steve.
Though 1 infringing graphic remains, altering the layout and covering the upper right section that gives you access to your account profile + buy tokens + upgrade account

Can you tell me how broadcasters add this stuff, I went to my profile on chaturbate and I can't see it. I know some folks offer services for a fee to design models bio. What tool or access do they have that I don't have ? Do they work for cb? I'd like to know the "who" and "how".

Anyone knows?

This is probably why you can't do it:

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Profile Must Be Verified Before Adding HTML

It’s important to note that your profile must be fully verified (ID submitted) before you’re able to add custom HTML to the profile page. This is primarily to prevent spam or malicious code being entered on Chaturbate. Some models want to have their profiles fully designed before going live, and unfortunately that is not how it works. If your code isn’t working the way you want it to, this is most likely the problem. Reach out to support and make sure your profile is fully verified and approved.

https://webcamstartup.com/chaturbate-profile-design/

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drexl · 03-20-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

A whitelabel gives you the advantage of owning your own brand. If you already have an established brand, let's say brandylicious.com (jsut a made up example), then owning a whitelabel like brandyliciouslive.com or brandyliciouscams.com would make sense, because people already know about the name brandylicious, which is an established brand.

I get this, thank you for your detailed response but for the sake of discussion I have a few comments. Aren't sponsors engineering ways to move customers from wl to branded sites? So promoting in the same directions than them seems more logical.

Beside, I see many issues: for one, chaturbate logo is all over the place. Besides, cb is not just a brand, it is a vast community which broadcasters are proud to be part of so whenever they get a chance they post their link to chaturbate, some of them even get upset to show up on "other sites"!
Another prb is the whitelabel is not your site, it just looks like it is, so whenever you promote your whitelabel you send SEO juice to chaturbate instead of your site, essentially you work for them, and for free. (canonical url, google tag manager for remarketing, ..).

You can integrate chaturbate a little within your site using the feed but then every time a member registers and buys tokens, he is sent to the wl. (I already asked if they had an API to allow member registration or payment from my site)
When I tried the above and designed my own pages using the JSON feed that they provide, I was starting to get indexed in google but I had to stop because of the sheer amount of DMCA take down requests: incomprehensible since all content was indeed provided by chaturbate (promo tools).

On this: I don't even know why broadcasters have any say in the matter since they are signing up for Chaturbate (release) and agree to use the Chaturbate platform. If Chaturbate decides to send data for promo purposes and if they have a switch for models to sign out of this, why the heck do you receive dmca.

So back to whitelabels: when a surfer on your whitelabel clicks on a model's affiliate link you just lose him, she wins the first cookie on the chatubate.com domain even though you are at the origin of the traffic.

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

On the other hand, if he is on a whitelabel, he can create as many additional accounts as he desires. You will get paid anyway, because the whitelabel is domain based tracking, unlike the main site, which is cookie based tracking. But since models are entitled to have their own affiliate program, they use any means to overwrite your cookie and to steal the already existing traffic and make it their own.

I see your point. Models have been empowered by sponsors, they even have dedicated websites (at jasmin). I think if a model (or studio) sees a whale is paying from your whitelabel, it won't take long before he is "invited" to use her site.

They are driven by profitability, they don't want stale members on your side: not only they have to pay you the commissions, but they depend on you.

Also, I don't know if cb whitelabels are domain based, I know livejasmin works like that but on cb if a member signs up on your wl, he can sign in cb or another wl with the same username. I really think it is just a tie to the username. TBC.

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

Why should affiliate programs for models be discontinued? Because the model is paid anyway if she brings an outside member to her chat room and converts him into her fan. So it is still in her advantage to bring traffic to her room, with or without affiliate program. But webmasters survive only through affiliate programs, since they do not broadcast. So webmasters should be let to do their job, while models do theirs. All this 'revolution' in this thread happens for one reason: because models get affiliate commission, that is why everyone is pissed here, because they try to get that commission instead of focusing on making money by broadcasting. A model broadcasts, a webmaster sends traffic, this is the natural order of things.

I tend to agree with you, since everyone is in the game now, there is too much conflicts of interest, we should work together as opposed to against each other.

I think I remember jasmin had an awesome program with no lifetime, it was a rev share based on a 15 days cookie. The good thing about this is the same pool of customers is always available to all, so if you keep promoting, you keep making $ and noone is keeping the whales for himself. This means there is no more incitement to reassign members and thus less frustrations.

Another solution would be to only allow REAL webmasters to be affiliates. Having a real website to begin with being a condition to apply.

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

And one more thing for chaturbate: webmasters should not be doing police work, meaning spying on models and searching for the ones that break the rules, and then contact the support to tell on them. They have more important things to focus on, like sending you traffic. The models should be notified via a pop-up message when they log in, it is as simple as that. And if they are caught breaking the rules, they should be punished, by temporarily closing their account, or taking a big percentage of their earning away, or... (fill in the blanks). It is a logical and fair solution. If it is not implemented, it is because chaturbate doesn't want to stop the stealing. Anyone can see that, and if someone doesn't se it, then he is either blind or has no business being a webmaster.

Agreed, I don't want to spend my days scouting the site to report models.
Layout should not be altered that's just common sense, and for policing they have employees but really, all this could be enforced technically.

drexl · 03-20-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

This is probably why you can't do it:

https://webcamstartup.com/chaturbate-profile-design/

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Thanks. That makes sense:

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Once designed, the Camgirl Live Editor will generate the code snippet to paste in your Chaturbate bio, and everything will appear exactly how you designed!

I previously saw this:
camgirl.cloud/plans/chaturbate/

I was unsure how they charge a monthly subscription vs a one off.

btw, I read one of the features is "DMCA editable text". So basically you can write anything that flies in your head: "I'm the king of the world!"

This is another topic I'd like Steve to step in to kindly comment on.

In my view, affiliates (which is everyone nowadays: webmasters, models, users, studios, etc) can use content provided by Chaturbate promotools.
These notices I see everywhere are preposterous: "you can't use anything or I'll sue your ass for a million dollars".
For example, the JSON feed returns a snapshot of the show as well as various basic information.
So this workflow does not make sense: model bio info -> cb api feed -> webmaster's website -> dmca notice

When models sign a release form to hand over copyright to a producer the models don't normally come back to the producer or its affiliates that would kind of defeat the purpose. I assume logically it is the same with Chaturbate: the rights are given to Chaturbate (some sort of a model agreement). So why those self made dmca signs?

It would be different if a model had her own independent website, with own source of traffic, but this is not the case.

What's your view on this?

cbarnaby · 03-21-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Aren't sponsors engineering ways to move customers from wl to branded sites? So promoting in the same directions than them seems more logical.

I was not trying to point out that whitelables are better than promoting the main sites, I was just showing what I see as being the advantages over promoting the main site, because this is what you wanted to know: 'what good it is to use a whitelabel instead of sending traffic directly to their main brand'

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Originally Posted by drexl

Beside, I see many issues: for one, chaturbate logo is all over the place.

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A big disadvantage indeed, and it is also used by other cam sites, too (at least one that I know for sure). And you forgot that besides the watermark, during broadcasting, some girls are very 'proud' to wear a white T-shirt with the name 'chaturbate' on it. Big disadvantage for whitelabels!

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Originally Posted by drexl

So back to whitelabels: when a surfer on your whitelabel clicks on a model's affiliate link you just lose him, she wins the first cookie on the chatubate.com domain even though you are at the origin of the traffic.

I have never worked with chaturbate, but I think you only lose the member if he makes a new account on chaturbate and uses that account to buy tokens directly from chaturbate. Because as long as he is on your whitelabel, he should be generating commissions only for you. So just by clicking the affiliate link, that does not make you lose him, as long as he is still buying from your whitelabel.

If the above is not true, then chaturbate is not playing fair.

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Originally Posted by drexl

I see your point. Models have been empowered by sponsors, they even have dedicated websites (at jasmin). I think if a model (or studio) sees a whale is paying from your whitelabel, it won't take long before he is "invited" to use her site.

Everything you stated is true. Although I believe it is against jasmin's rules to allow a model to send a member outside of the main platform (i.e her jasmin dedicated site). But then again, they can easily close their eyes when it is to their advantage.

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Originally Posted by drexl

They are driven by profitability, they don't want stale members on your side: not only they have to pay you the commissions, but they depend on you.

Again, another true statement. All main sites should properly reward the people making them money, not using shaving techniques on them. Keeping them happy and motivated, so that they can do more and more for the main site and for themselves.

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Originally Posted by drexl

Also, I don't know if cb whitelabels are domain based, I know livejasmin works like that but on cb if a member signs up on your wl, he can sign in cb or another wl with the same username. I really think it is just a tie to the username. TBC.

A member registered on a jasmin whitelabel can also login directly on jasmin with the same account, without even having to create a new one. And then you lose him, although he is still using the same account he had on the whitelabel. This is way too unfair! Jasmin also uses many clothing items and other stuff which have the jasmin brand on them, plus watermarks on every picture in the gallery (except profile ones), and the models are encouraged to use those branded clothing items and the other ones in free chat and in their picture and video galleries, to tempt the whitelabel members to visit jasmin.

On the other hand, a member registered on a jasmin whitelabel cannot login on another jasmin whitelabel. If chaturbate members can jump around from one whitelabel to another, it is disadvantageous, but not as disadvantageous as jumping from a chaturbate whitelabel to the man site.

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Originally Posted by drexl

since everyone is in the game now, there is too much conflicts of interest, we should work together as opposed to against each other.

Wiser words have never been spoken before!

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Originally Posted by drexl

I think I remember jasmin had an awesome program with no lifetime, it was a rev share based on a 15 days cookie. The good thing about this is the same pool of customers is always available to all, so if you keep promoting, you keep making $ and noone is keeping the whales for himself. This means there is no more incitement to reassign members and thus less frustrations.

I tend to disagree, it is just my view, and I will explain why.

If my efforts managed to convert a member and he turned out to be a whale, I want him to generates income for me for the rest of his life (assuming he buys until he dies from so much jerking-off). But this cannot be done in the current days, when the main sites try to take the whitelabel members away from the webmasters, so that they can take away their commissions.

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Originally Posted by drexl

Another solution would be to only allow REAL webmasters to be affiliates. Having a real website to begin with being a condition to apply.

I second that.

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Originally Posted by drexl

Agreed, I don't want to spend my days scouting the site to report models.
Layout should not be altered that's just common sense, and for policing they have employees but really, all this could be enforced technically.

I think everyone would agree to this as well.

To sum it up, the main sites are our competition, not our business partners, that is a fact.

Holy Damage · 03-21-2019, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Thanks. That makes sense:

In my view, affiliates (which is everyone nowadays: webmasters, models, users, studios, etc) can use content provided by Chaturbate promotools.
These notices I see everywhere are preposterous: "you can't use anything or I'll sue your ass for a million dollars".
For example, the JSON feed returns a snapshot of the show as well as various basic information.
So this workflow does not make sense: model bio info -> cb api feed -> webmaster's website -> dmca notice

When models sign a release form to hand over copyright to a producer the models don't normally come back to the producer or its affiliates that would kind of defeat the purpose. I assume logically it is the same with Chaturbate: the rights are given to Chaturbate (some sort of a model agreement). So why those self made dmca signs?

It would be different if a model had her own independent website, with own source of traffic, but this is not the case.

What's your view on this?

Thats a good quesstion and I would like to hear a word about this from Steve

drexl · 03-22-2019, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Damage

Thats a good quesstion and I would like to hear a word about this from Steve

Yes exactly.

A good usage of DMCA take down is for when a show is recorded and then uploaded onto a tube where it has no right to be. (No need for a logo to know this)
In my experience however, models have been using it in places where it is totally legitimate like for example: a cam feed on a blog.

I can understand their confusion but where I get confused myself is that ironically I had received take down notices in the past for using iframes provided by Chaturbate themselves.

I think those big "DMCA Protected" logos on model's profiles is just a sell point from those businesses selling bio designs, it kind of make it sound like models will feel protected if they pay for the bio with that logo.

There is a whole business made around that dmca thing where some models pay hundreds of euros each month to some companies who do 2 mn work (sending out templates for take downs.) This is inefficient in my opinion since videos are being re-spawned and re-indexed, which is great for these "protection" companies who can then charge by the month.

Anyhow, long story short: my view is when a broadcaster digitally signs an agreement to perform on Chaturbate, the copyright is Chaturbate's and thus it is up to CB to handle this and it definitely does not make any sense whatsoever to ask a webmaster to take down some content that was provided by them.
A small downside also is the user experience: those logos are ugly

drexl · 03-22-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

I have never worked with chaturbate, but I think you only lose the member if he makes a new account on chaturbate and uses that account to buy tokens directly from chaturbate. Because as long as he is on your whitelabel, he should be generating commissions only for you. So just by clicking the affiliate link, that does not make you lose him, as long as he is still buying from your whitelabel.

If the above is not true, then chaturbate is not playing fair.

From my understanding Jasmin has a different workflow: it is domain based and works as you described.
cb wl ties an affiliate to a username: if a user signs up on your wl and then logs in to cb with the same username, he's still yours (which is good!).
The problem I have is those links in models bio are driving away non-registered users who would have otherwise registered naturally on your wl. It is also a risk with regards to registered users who might migrate to cb and not necessarily use the same username (why would you think you can log in to another site with the same username).

I am happy to be told I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by cbarnaby

Everything you stated is true. Although I believe it is against jasmin's rules to allow a model to send a member outside of the main platform (i.e her jasmin dedicated site). But then again, they can easily close their eyes when it is to their advantage.

I know what you are talking about. At least you know the workflows, most affiliates don't.

Having said all this, I think overall cb and jasmin are the best by a long shot.

cbarnaby · 03-23-2019, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

From my understanding Jasmin has a different workflow: it is domain based and works as you described.
cb wl ties an affiliate to a username: if a user signs up on your wl and then logs in to cb with the same username, he's still yours (which is good!).
The problem I have is those links in models bio are driving away non-registered users who would have otherwise registered naturally on your wl.

If you say that chaturbate affiliate commissions are granted based on the username of the member, then I stand corrected. You would know better, since you work with chaturbate, unlike myself.

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Originally Posted by drexl

It is also a risk with regards to registered users who might migrate to cb and not necessarily use the same username (why would you think you can log in to another site with the same username).

This happens with jasmin members, they move away from whitelables and login to jasmin. Maybe they like it more, maybe their favorite model told them to see her on jasmin, maybe they saw her jasmin link on social media and used it, I don't know. But what I do know is that it happens, since I know names of my members who are buying credits from jasmin and I get no more commissions from them, simply because they are not on my whitelabels anymore. The good thing is that unlike jasmin and their white labels, chaturbate whitelabel is looking the same as chaturbate, so the existing members may find no reason to use it. Unless the girls ask them to...

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I know what you are talking about. At least you know the workflows, most affiliates don't.

That's because I am old now, and still in this business.

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Originally Posted by drexl

Having said all this, I think overall cb and jasmin are the best by a long shot.

I second that, at least the part regarding jasmin. They still convert for me, although i am not content with the way things go on in their network.

As for chaturbate, they may convert too, as you said, and I take your word for it, but I don't plan on touching them after reading about the problems you guys struggle with. These are the same problems I have with jasmin, but at least I am one of their old webmasters, so I can say I grew up with them. As stated above, they still convert for me. But starting with a new site which dives my traffic away from my whitelabel to their main site, this is out of the question.

PornGrowsOnTrees · 03-23-2019, 05:10 PM

I'm doing great now, Had a few people that signed up this year start using site.

Rock on!

AllAboutCams · 03-23-2019, 08:53 PM

https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/

10k people watching a banner no live cam with link to website on banner

razor33 · 03-24-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/

10k people watching a banner no live cam with link to website on banner

More like 10k bots. There are dumb people, but no-one can be that stupid to watch a banner on a live cam site. lol

PornGrowsOnTrees · 03-24-2019, 10:11 PM

what is everyone's average revshare per month now? would love to see/hear big numbers to keep me motivated. ;-)

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 04:03 AM

I don't have a lot of posts here, but I used cb affiliate program alot a year and 2 years ago. But right now I stopped it, because of models who cheat the cb system on the most first places (best converting option and almost all cb codes that based on the first places).
I decided to write here, because of total ignorance of the cb support.

I don't want to copy paste but a lot information about fake viewers can be found there.
h t t p s : // w w w.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/fake-accounts-to-help-boost-your-room.33544/
(Sorry I can not post links but I write like this remove spaces please)

Right now cb has 2 types of cheaters:

- Cheap botnet for Eastern European models, usually the same fake viewers (grey and light blue) are used for many rooms on the middle and bottom of the first page and for the rooms on the second and even third page. This bot net does not a big problem for the "best converting room" affiliates. But it has a big influence on the overall quality of the site - low quality boring rooms, with shitty sound and picture

- VIP botnet especially for the first places. They use individual fake viewers for each room and invisible viewers (using some bugs or undocumented cb features), but one user of acf community found this bug and found how to detect these cheaters (I will not write here right now I'm collecting proofs right now). And exactly for "the best converting room" option this botnet is most dangerous. Number of the cheater on the first places varies from 50% to 100% depending on time of the day. So depending on type of the traffic conversion can drop to the zero (exactly like for me

Conversion of my traffic dropped almost to zero

)

- Also cb has anticheat system (they did it after the first bot plague 1.5 year ago). Using dumb bots visible by anticheat is possible to denote compeptitor's room. And right now its used a lot. As result many good models with good conversion is stopped to broadcast.

Right now I don't write all list of the cheaters, but most of all "top" models mentioned in this thread at last pages are using VIP botnet or invisible viewers that increase viewers counter.

As someone wrote here - they are stealing our money!

Brian mike · 03-25-2019, 05:16 AM

Anybody else have a headache after reading amber cuties thread

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 05:18 AM

typical example (more than 800 viewers in less than 10 minutes)

chaturbate.com/mykinkydope

lot fake members with auto-generated names:
feuhuck14fansy
finle15dysgninf
firank5clamer
fisreu27siwa
flexin2boska
formbusc30cycpe
franun26coagagg
freakhid0kyna
fyila30petu
gemul40lampho
grinnor18watchgagg
haltburg42perfrkin
hamguard8ivhex
hanpo42sendgo
hanstran23ceraf
healthmort34gistmudf
hespclen1opak
highlab36thyibo
hyne33naifor
idlan13bygea
idnan19siover
igin40psychat
inan6voyte

and this shitty epileptic room already rotated in the best converting room and in the other codes.

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 05:20 AM

Second place in 13 minutes! Perfect!

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 05:27 AM

And the first place in less than 17 minutes. And the first place is showed much often that others in rotation.
So one room like that can drop my convert by half. But cheating rooms like this a lot right now.

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 06:12 AM

right now more than 500 fake viewers with similar names and it shows that any room instead of quality can be on the first place and drop conversion almost to the zero

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 06:33 AM

As I see the main problem that on the first places average and bad models, not the best. And it affects the conversion rate.

TheBlackShark · 03-25-2019, 09:01 AM

Despite all the problems mentioned above, the 1st period of march is not gone bad..

Mainly on whitelabel.

megafapper · 03-25-2019, 09:09 AM

Importance of the first places is not too much for whitelabels. But for registration links and anything "best converting room" related the quality of the first places is the main thing.

Shoplifter · 03-25-2019, 11:36 AM

1st period in March was ok, but this period is probably my worst ever. Clara_Chan must have my spenders.

Brian mike · 03-25-2019, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Clara_Chan must have my C_spenders.

Fixed it for you

... It's been claratize too

TouchMyPp · 03-25-2019, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnawledge

I don't make much money on anything except celebs and Chaturbate. They seem like the best around when it comes to money. However, I am usually making an okay amount a month and wanting to figure out a way to make more so I can work on other things that I have to invest on. Like pay sites etc. I have chaturbate script and use Wordpress as well.

I use plugrush and juicy to drive traffic to it and it's good, but anyone have solutions that covert cams better? Like any known traffic company that specializes in it?

shoot me an email on gmail wetmeteaseme I believe I am doing fairly well with my converting traffic. Maybe we can discuss a ppl offer I can do for you and provide you great usa converting traffic

PornGrowsOnTrees · 03-25-2019, 08:53 PM

Nice theblackshark !

I'm at around 1,000 a month sometimes more sometimes less. December was the best. I hope to get to what you have someday... ;)

zhenyoung · 03-25-2019, 10:52 PM

Previously, the CB seemed to be out of order and could not be accessed for more than half an hour...

March 25, revenue so far is zero

megafapper · 03-26-2019, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGrowsOnTrees

December was the best.

Problem with first place cheaters switched to the new level in January. Cheaters were always on CB and support tries to fight with them. But so many cheaters on the first places I didn't see 1.5 or 2 years.

megafapper · 03-26-2019, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve

While broadcasters can post their affiliate referral links on their bio, they are not allowed to request that existing users create new accounts. Please submit any instances you see of broadcasters misleading users to [email protected] so their account can be reviewed.

If some model uses a lot of fake viewers where for the "first place sticking" and it affect traffic conversion. Where I have to report? [email protected] or [email protected]

P.S. [email protected] doesn't answer usually

megafapper · 03-26-2019, 04:37 AM

Mila_ and Livecleo are using the same technics - a lot of fake viewers + banners with own referral links over main CB links. And this is the first 2 places now with almost 80% of displaying in rotation of almost cb codes

Brian mike · 03-26-2019, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megafapper

Mila_ and Livecleo are using the same technics - a lot of fake viewers + banners with own referral links over main CB links. And this is the first 2 places now with almost 80% of displaying in rotation of almost cb codes

Mila will bite your asses if you tried to say shes cheating

im just joking around ( saw her replied on Amber sites... she's very defensive )

megafapper · 03-26-2019, 04:52 AM

Yes, very defensive cheater!

megafapper · 03-26-2019, 04:57 AM

Before all her replies I thought that fake viewers in her room just for "cleaning" in one of the popular rooms (bot periodically switch the room like many real visitors do). But after all her posts I'm sure that she uses fake viewers and knows everyone else who use it also (for the "first place sticking")

Beaver1 · 03-26-2019, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Mila will bite your asses if you tried to say shes cheating

im just joking around ( saw her replied on Amber sites... she's very defensive )

Fat Mila is the Queen of Bot Traffic.
We never made any single fucking signup until she runs across
the promo frames and promo pops.

Original statment of her show today:

"What the hell is going on i have 19k visitors in the room, whitout doing anything.
That must be a mistake something is wrong here. However i have the Popup now."

Holy Damage · 03-26-2019, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megafapper

Mila_ and Livecleo are using the same technics - a lot of fake viewers + banners with own referral links over main CB links. And this is the first 2 places now with almost 80% of displaying in rotation of almost cb codes

Removed both from my site

Shoplifter · 03-26-2019, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Fixed it for you

... It's been claratize too

Wonder if any of these spenders may have been mine:

https://chaturbate.com/photo_videos/...chan/11334732/

AllAboutCams · 03-26-2019, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Wonder if any of these spenders may have been mine:

https://chaturbate.com/photo_videos/...chan/11334732/

Probably as she asks to create new accounts in her profile

megafapper · 03-27-2019, 10:56 AM

Epileptic room again on the first place

chaturbate.com/mykinkydope/
And again about 500 fake viewers with dumb auto generated names

Code:

abba39miloo
abin7banes
afmet27acgas
anda22laewilf
anus2coitan
bunge13mapart
camit6joback
chaca14modar
chilco18mabitt
chistvo1cioubuck
cordhomb15icer
dawdci34glebof
dedis13llovsers
depca0freelchess
dubtent37riapi
esfum21niegrin
feigo33marlce
ffencar8backgdes
freelsu29sesgzan
gara40profnon
glenod14bestgast
hamat7har
hayni33anout
idot16pergro
itma26sungcon
keyge0learle
knowfi12contcrom
kobo5ld
landdrag39inthun
lecvi39lbashabs
lenma16symci
leopoc38libpo
lessping29amhor
liosur22cranag
lire41kiosu
lnehcont38ebti
lov3blood
manmo25bestlot
meixi3riran
mensfull3batlsaff
mentre24klincor
mersto41ruimu
mingpiz3foco
mister10minutes
mosbi24sati
natshen34sveres
ndepad9blossi
neover17ficmost
ngorbird36soundpi
ningle28frinter
oldo39daugran
owen30lemons
pacsu22porthret
palmtweak28marna
pianet31crafyl
pir8te
poter18iscrom
preenin8glamaj
raimil7tabneu
ralan20dresif
refwo22warcrep
rieplic32vicos
rightran24perwy
rili33belrai
roopru28biref
saber3on
salu24rdigol
shadow12fiend
shenfo2us
sisar41ttimeb
stufyt7subbio
syspart4lepugg
taflo31singtzug
taiti16tratmoun
teicon37brandest
tencomp21bita
tiback20taude
tiffche28reasi
tiocap16buyvep
toolhi34apquar
tranin8ilra
treadtitg33lenswon
tuska2rr
unphy13omslav
veco0senra
venscom12stancas
verdo32thamsdab
vilic38fige
wallso19loca
wdiges35douira
webpu38goodde
wiapoo14cioclov
abop0coate
acar37willfin
accrim1cheapfpo
adprot33silnya
adun7rastli
afow30trelin
agprob17tersfin
ajchris27ceuver
akec4presken
aksur24debi
ales35roasub
alev5isma
amco2tugal
amin38propin
anal37ermoe
anber36idra
ancom8presop
anin11situ
anner8iddream
anof23mostbap
anos20capaw
anout5flutys
apgu33minddo
apmi3kuyprin
artur36profan
asci14icsquat
asma35fapwreal
athad9liere
bame25gherdeck
barti9corge
barwae42gepows
batjay42othfor
bayli17misu
bebe36rcolrep
belen19wiiri
bence20venbo
berci10menra
biaman8clovci
biokurz4unar
biolo38glosin
biopho27maudmin
bioprat7selow
biowie42christe
blahwe0fisa
blanin18arra
bloodvab15lighvi
bmiwol11atun
boastol37loyca
boati23imac
boiprof17versi
boymar20tata
brelga13caisa
bridfunc4tholy
brisvul39guemi
brooken15weitia
browot15ontha
buires16trigar
bullco39ntemes
bullsi2spagel
buncma35substu
butmill10cufect
buydamp23biona
cabobs36knowim
cada9rece
calind33matchpas
cangfor21pori
castke14bicom
cavers5cuse
ceitran27brinlass
cellbi34sighti
centmar0clarchess
centpous29toming
certmat27blesriv
chaisnat29echos
challa27vilge
checksump27bibe
cianet41tenvia
cieca27sufmi
ciepub20teidryw
cini28moysym
cito27ringcont
clanin13neuha
cliclis6heicar
coacats27beyskyr
cocte38reiphy
cofud16newmi
coka19lambsur
compre15mighza
comso9roli
comty32fulce
consrea12altac
consren7taubolt
contlea2tundtic
corpmo28moira
cosu34juithind
crysad21diagrat
crysin22ileg
cupet23sembprov
cusing26guemes
cysoft26provin
dafa28tugi
daiwer1cabou
darkper15retla
dayder20seiteg
daytab41somoth
deli35rele
descneh5inis
dhatag31myoka
diofund26comma
distperp29sputdul
drivcom17folllec
dunreapp35secci
dunsver24saqna
duwys10neotyo
ebmit30nekma
edex0varpo
efin1zainewg
elser35stonem
empe18envoy
enag3unwech
enes16venjoi
enin36qunal
epas10comswa
ered0itar
eref8nyasa
erov6voiso
esprof20simne
esto4matchci
factmons18nikkmen
faegur34checra
famo0esla
felne35igor
feuhuck14fansy
finle15dysgninf
firank5clamer
fisreu27siwa
flexin2boska
fohi24mefloa
fonic15ernag
formbusc30cycpe
franun26coagagg
freakhid0kyna
furtswam37joape
fyila30petu
gaire1libur
geekbstin1verle
gemul40lampho
gictu2chasre
goooocrap33sphinjour
gradez14zarspea
grinnor18watchgagg
guired42crusil
haltburg42perfrkin
hamguard8ivhex
handven36weico
hanpo42sendgo
hatfield06racing
healthmort34gistmudf
hespclen1opak
highlab36thyibo
hisi28stucha
hyne33naifor
idex37isreu
idlan13bygea
idnan19siover
igin40psychat
inag41xadta
inan6voyte
inma20maiscar
inrab1diema
itan17ofpec
itis41sita
jaccont8diami
jaires9guecom
jetne32incal
jiafrol40deiprem
jucktop11esex
juncta5quispec
kafe36tiozi
kaichi13skinop
kaupod36inov
kensde26zacom
kenzei29kaivi
kettmas8nalri
khamten17lorga
kindrop25stifre
kirex22congcam
koly38lconun
langcont9pone
larcscoun10ezow
latar39dechi
laypot27vioumi
laystaph19isin
lebbio16motfio
lengest39stordam
lesdisp1redli
lessnet19engua
letti1scholla
liadser35disccar
lialay27versa
libgua28derbnest
lide6quiba
lingme19diswebs
linte16tora
liodrop31freeshay
liowie15fontde
lisa21romen
lisand19tunbten
lohe19slugpor
lowsrim8fanno
lyppbu25rirec
mabudd35cule
maita20alge
maptea32lira
mara5ivun
maslo25cyctund
mastea12gomi
matcont0lrounmop
maureg15iden
mazrazz30liemi
mere31diasi
metta4ataw
milink3efra
mocew36bega
momstran21inan
mosur0garsand
mughle39caywahr
myapass29vaaver
mychen18nmounfac
nandcomp34erat
nanpuzz30zirri
napols18telrei
nati5perto
nchabnet6propbarn
nere29omer
nessbar34neucomp
neupa30nacon
neustat27ranso
neynigh0boda
neypo5fidef
nibid37gravgaf
nidown15loace
niestal15provsen
noder20conssu
noico16tomwgec
nolco17ical
nolen4gerra
nome28flexas
nope33metu
nosqui38endis
nsetam4pounders
ofghous30eshel
opel40gera
opul38sese
osti21eslan
otbil30brazgedc
ovcan28kingte
ovex14ippi
pagold13abda
paicae18rubbcorr
paisu11solo
paokrat30cosun
pare6ossnow
patre0linon
penla24petsmitt
perho37napa
perrou40perpa
pershal14guimi
picon39crisher
piebrew39lowra
pieno38ilun
piepres7poibanc
pilrea10taxtu
pingtrac4seatpo
pisil38witchling
placin21newsra
planat36trigmens
planen34trimmir
pleasin9palfei
plesil12beve
pletov1comog
plotov14liowei
poihead21westbour
poitrac34eriw
predin23elspen
prewim41deland
prunlo38anre
psorec6scabmer
pude19conbe
pullo38sucpo
punccong35lomga
qabar30puevan
quera40gessswit
querwal12tripun
quicler14wartio
quipsych32profni
quiter2notbigr
racas34quire
ramva36misti
ranba31contmic
rapon39cesa
rayli26phrasha
razztheft29privul
rearock31chongwic
rece14cihe
reistyl42acde
renno16racsi
rere39teosa
resi14tieli
restcen2defra
riafron31inlan
rigpa26prehic
roli24rjourma
ronsi12bingtlich
ropka39temni
ropnaa0giapers
roslu16pracan
rpapal27naebeau
rz4real
saltla34grampa
sandhou17asor
sandmoug19meigran
sandstead28mohigh
sangia4core
sanlo13quoco
scabsu9smokeat
selho2deba
seli40rustsa
sembre9sembser
sempcont42susso
seona23liesai
sighy23casce
signra19sforan
simi42inak
sischodz14tibar
smudid10pontough
softrol10wessio
softsnap29reibakf
sollja1opjour
sonic3dblast
spasver25cosphyp
spezun19rimo
spirco37inpar
ssigrud10niocon
stabog19globre
stylaf23deptlex
subcfoot33danphe
swapun29faquad
sympmyf16tworqui
tacen32cuca
talkbram23anprov
tammi8bromat
taro18stigmac
tdn0va
techcde30elbo
teitex11clarto
tempgran24callde
tentzews19ekit
teocal40hinpe
thespmat41tele
thromon6beda
ticong24mossse
tihy4daloo
tine34trisnes
tiohan35taipriv
tioprot6amsa
tioti41guivlam
tiotran30tercthorn
tire25granso
titi4tioca
titig10herre
tonsmos3olra
topa31mbitar
tranin36myoman
trigin24elpur
trisrear33conti
tronmo36tenro
trouvsil21enko
trucor23phasu
trysog26racno
tsenla27isco
tsourre36seispor
tsuanig42neldai
tunmu42trotim
twinad36quemic
ualit29marot
ulspir15trumtem
unnin39thumbpho
upsour5ceiwei
vardu5coalin
verli19traxtu
vibi29centding
vitim14sertai
wahrli31arbu
walse8tiodrag
watch2dogs
weicock2panfi
welga6crepol
wiga38durrie
wilri6gotu
worlo5phiistag
worlscur2soufflog
xiori1tranic
zdorto25tala
zenbcar39guiros
zievi19cydom
znamhard38conri

that's why top rooms don't convert like before...

03-23-2019, 08:53 PM	#1873
AllAboutCams Femcams.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: bjcam.com Posts: 12,216	https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/ 10k people watching a banner no live cam with link to website on banner __________________ Binance - Blockchain and Crypto Asset Exchange Chaturbate make money in cams

03-19-2019, 05:47 PM	#1857
Holy Damage Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Between the legs Posts: 981

03-23-2019, 05:10 PM	#1872
PornGrowsOnTrees Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 598	I'm doing great now, Had a few people that signed up this year start using site. Rock on!

03-24-2019, 10:11 PM	#1875
PornGrowsOnTrees Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 598	what is everyone's average revshare per month now? would love to see/hear big numbers to keep me motivated. ;-)

03-25-2019, 04:03 AM	#1876
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	I don't have a lot of posts here, but I used cb affiliate program alot a year and 2 years ago. But right now I stopped it, because of models who cheat the cb system on the most first places (best converting option and almost all cb codes that based on the first places). I decided to write here, because of total ignorance of the cb support. I don't want to copy paste but a lot information about fake viewers can be found there. h t t p s : // w w w.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/fake-accounts-to-help-boost-your-room.33544/ (Sorry I can not post links but I write like this remove spaces please) Right now cb has 2 types of cheaters: - Cheap botnet for Eastern European models, usually the same fake viewers (grey and light blue) are used for many rooms on the middle and bottom of the first page and for the rooms on the second and even third page. This bot net does not a big problem for the "best converting room" affiliates. But it has a big influence on the overall quality of the site - low quality boring rooms, with shitty sound and picture - VIP botnet especially for the first places. They use individual fake viewers for each room and invisible viewers (using some bugs or undocumented cb features), but one user of acf community found this bug and found how to detect these cheaters (I will not write here right now I'm collecting proofs right now). And exactly for "the best converting room" option this botnet is most dangerous. Number of the cheater on the first places varies from 50% to 100% depending on time of the day. So depending on type of the traffic conversion can drop to the zero (exactly like for me Conversion of my traffic dropped almost to zero ) - Also cb has anticheat system (they did it after the first bot plague 1.5 year ago). Using dumb bots visible by anticheat is possible to denote compeptitor's room. And right now its used a lot. As result many good models with good conversion is stopped to broadcast. Right now I don't write all list of the cheaters, but most of all "top" models mentioned in this thread at last pages are using VIP botnet or invisible viewers that increase viewers counter. As someone wrote here - they are stealing our money!

03-25-2019, 05:16 AM	#1877
Brian mike STAND OUR GROUND Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 7,115	Anybody else have a headache after reading amber cuties thread

03-25-2019, 05:18 AM	#1878
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	typical example (more than 800 viewers in less than 10 minutes) chaturbate.com/mykinkydope lot fake members with auto-generated names: feuhuck14fansy finle15dysgninf firank5clamer fisreu27siwa flexin2boska formbusc30cycpe franun26coagagg freakhid0kyna fyila30petu gemul40lampho grinnor18watchgagg haltburg42perfrkin hamguard8ivhex hanpo42sendgo hanstran23ceraf healthmort34gistmudf hespclen1opak highlab36thyibo hyne33naifor idlan13bygea idnan19siover igin40psychat inan6voyte and this shitty epileptic room already rotated in the best converting room and in the other codes.

03-25-2019, 05:20 AM	#1879
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	Second place in 13 minutes! Perfect!

03-25-2019, 05:27 AM	#1880
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	And the first place in less than 17 minutes. And the first place is showed much often that others in rotation. So one room like that can drop my convert by half. But cheating rooms like this a lot right now.

03-25-2019, 06:12 AM	#1881
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	right now more than 500 fake viewers with similar names and it shows that any room instead of quality can be on the first place and drop conversion almost to the zero

03-25-2019, 06:33 AM	#1882
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	As I see the main problem that on the first places average and bad models, not the best. And it affects the conversion rate.

03-25-2019, 09:01 AM	#1883
TheBlackShark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 258	Despite all the problems mentioned above, the 1st period of march is not gone bad.. Mainly on whitelabel.

03-25-2019, 09:09 AM	#1884
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	Importance of the first places is not too much for whitelabels. But for registration links and anything "best converting room" related the quality of the first places is the main thing.

03-25-2019, 11:36 AM	#1885
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,612	1st period in March was ok, but this period is probably my worst ever. Clara_Chan must have my spenders.

03-25-2019, 08:53 PM	#1888
PornGrowsOnTrees Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 598	Nice theblackshark ! I'm at around 1,000 a month sometimes more sometimes less. December was the best. I hope to get to what you have someday... ;)

03-25-2019, 10:52 PM	#1889
zhenyoung Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 164	Previously, the CB seemed to be out of order and could not be accessed for more than half an hour... March 25, revenue so far is zero

03-26-2019, 04:37 AM	#1892
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	Mila_ and Livecleo are using the same technics - a lot of fake viewers + banners with own referral links over main CB links. And this is the first 2 places now with almost 80% of displaying in rotation of almost cb codes

03-26-2019, 04:52 AM	#1894
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	Yes, very defensive cheater!

03-26-2019, 04:57 AM	#1895
megafapper Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 80	Before all her replies I thought that fake viewers in her room just for "cleaning" in one of the popular rooms (bot periodically switch the room like many real visitors do). But after all her posts I'm sure that she uses fake viewers and knows everyone else who use it also (for the "first place sticking")