Paul Ryan will be the republican nominee

[2MuchMark]

Paul Ryan will be the republican nominee.

Sorry Donald, Ted...

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[Coup]

Nah, Trump.

[ITraffic]

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Coup

Nah, Trump.

Nope... Ryan!



I predict a brokered convention with delegates picking Ryan over everyone. Watch Cruz and Trump go into shared meltdown mode.

[ITraffic]

[Coup]

Originally Posted by **********

Nope... Ryan!

Nah trump be dat nom tho

[ITraffic]

trump aint no two pump chump.

he's a ten pump trump.

[crockett]

Ryan has come along way since his run as VP. At this point, he's the least scary of Republicans but still I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw Trump.

[CaptainHowdy]

Not sure if serious ...

[kane]

I understand that the republican establishment hates Trump an they aren't fans of Cruz either, but they have to be smart enough to realize giving the nomination to someone who didn't even run would likely guarantee Hillary the win (or Bernie if he pulls off a miracle).

[noshit]

Originally Posted by Coup

Nah, Trump.

The RNC chair has a different idea:



This thing is rigged to HIGH HELL.

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[bronco67]

They sure as fuck don't want Ted Cruz to bet he nominee.

The strategy is to help Ted Cruz take as many delegates away from Trump so it'll be an open convention. Once that happens, sneak Paul Ryan in. They can change the rules to nominate anyone they want, and they sure as fuck don't want Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. In the long list of sneaky, underhanded shit Republicans have done, this wouldn't even rank as slightly nefarious.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

They sure as fuck don't want Ted Cruz to bet he nominee.

The strategy is to help Ted Cruz take as many delegates away from Trump so it'll be an open convention. Once that happens, sneak Paul Ryan in. They can change the rules to nominate anyone they want, and they sure as fuck don't want Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. In the long list of sneaky, underhanded shit Republicans have done, this wouldn't even rank as slightly nefarious. I can see why they would do it, as they watch Donald Trump unravel their façade of seeming to care about the poor or non-white voters -- which has already been failing miserably because they can't even fake compassion or empathy.

The problem with doing that is that it will likely cause Trump to run as an independent. if he does that it pretty much guarantees Hillary the win.

The only way they would do this is if they could get Trump to guarantee not to run as a third party independent.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem with doing that is that it will likely cause Trump to run as an independent. if he does that it pretty much guarantees Hillary the win.

The only way they would do this is if they could get Trump to guarantee not to run as a third party independent.

Nope.
If this rigged shit goes the way they want... Come November, The word is; To write Trump in and vote Democratic across the board.
Which will completely destroy the Republican Party.
And Destroy the Democrats as well.

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[noshit]

You don't just Rig·A·Ma·Role elections any-more. That shit is over. Too many are people are awake.
A MAJOR Cleansing is coming

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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem with doing that is that it will likely cause Trump to run as an independent. if he does that it pretty much guarantees Hillary the win.

I don't know about that....

I think Hillary is tough, and if she was up against Trump, I think she would win.

If Bernie faced-off against Trump, I am not convinced Bernie would win. He's nicer, smarter, cooler, better, but Trump is louder.

If Hillary or Bernie had to face-off against Cruz, I think it would be a close race. Cruz talks like a nut job, but I think deep down he's cool and calculating. He's also a great speaker, despite the fact that he speaks mostly garbage.

Paul Ryan on the other hand is probably the smartest of the entire bunch on the republican side. I think that Ryan is the GOP's best hope of winning the whitehouse, or at the very least, saving the republican party.

[kane]

Originally Posted by **********

I don't know about that....

I think Hillary is tough, and if she was up against Trump, I think she would win.

If Bernie faced-off against Trump, I am not convinced Bernie would win. He's nicer, smarter, cooler, better, but Trump is louder.

If Hillary or Bernie had to face-off against Cruz, I think it would be a close race. Cruz talks like a nut job, but I think deep down he's cool and calculating. He's also a great speaker, despite the fact that he speaks mostly garbage.

Paul Ryan on the other hand is probably the smartest of the entire bunch on the republican side. I think that Ryan is the GOP's best hope of winning the whitehouse, or at the very least, saving the republican party.

Ryan may well be a better candidate than Cruz or Trump. The problem is if they screw Trump and Cruz and make him the nomination Trump will likely run as a third party candidate. That will cause a split in the republican vote and likely make it pretty easy for the democrat. If they could somehow keep Trump from running as a third party candidate it will help them to some degree, but it seems like about 35% of registered republicans are die hard Trump supporters. Who knows how they will react if he gets screwed out of the nomination. Without their support no republican candidate can win.

[dyna mo]

Doubtful.

Why would the GOP do that? Everything they've done up to now has been so wrong they've got themselves stuck with Trump and Cruz. There's nothing to think that they would do something that actually landed them a somewhat reasonable candidate to represent them. I predict further chaos, not less.

[ITraffic]

the rnc has stated they would prefer to write off this election rather than let trump win.

[ilnjscb]

You don't know republicans. They don't just call shit cake and eat it with glee. Ryan did not get a single vote. The party can't just steal the nomination and expect to win. Kasich, Cruz, and Trump would all go apeshit, and with good reason. Half the party would revolt. The nominee will be one of the three.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

Ryan may well be a better candidate than Cruz or Trump. The problem is if they screw Trump and Cruz and make him the nomination Trump will likely run as a third party candidate. That will cause a split in the republican vote and likely make it pretty easy for the democrat. If they could somehow keep Trump from running as a third party candidate it will help them to some degree, but it seems like about 35% of registered republicans are die hard Trump supporters. Who knows how they will react if he gets screwed out of the nomination. Without their support no republican candidate can win.

Not only that, but Cruz voters don't align very well with Ryan, who is a RINO. So its a very dangerous game the RNC will play if they do that route.

[robfantasy]

when will you realize its a 1 party system... its the establishment (dems/repubs) vs the outsider.

[Relentless]

Ryan has more power now than he would have as President. He is the fail safe controlling the spending. Whether Trump, Cruz, Bernie or Hillary win, the gop establishment is keeping Ryan where he is to constrain them.

[Coup]

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

You don't know republicans. They don't just call shit cake and eat it with glee. Ryan did not get a single vote. The party can't just steal the nomination and expect to win. Kasich, Cruz, and Trump would all go apeshit, and with good reason. Half the party would revolt. The nominee will be one of the three.

I agree with this mostly, except that I think Kasich is also out. They have lost the general already, they are now thinking damage control. If you run Trump you lose and honor the democratic process, if you run Cruz you lose and maintain your conservative and Christian mantras. Tee up 2020.

Their goal is to have a candidate next time who isn't a complete joke to the country or the world. Perhaps they should do a Presidential Apprentice???

[ITraffic]

[poncabare]

baffling why you would even care about another countries politics.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by poncabare

baffling why you would even care about another countries politics.

I think most of the world cares about who becomes President of the USA. Just sayin.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Doubtful.

Why would the GOP do that? Everything they've done up to now has been so wrong they've got themselves stuck with Trump and Cruz. There's nothing to think that they would do something that actually landed them a somewhat reasonable candidate to represent them. I predict further chaos, not less.

this is probably the safest bet.

Even if they knew the actions needed to fix this Trump/Cruz problem, they couldn't execute it properly -- because they're not capable of it. This is the bed they've made (with the help of conservative media).

To fix their overall party conundrum and make themselves more palatable to the changing demographics they'll need years (maybe a generation) of gradual change that is actually sincere. Trying to create the illusion of giving a shit during a four year period will not work. They actually seem worse now than when they had their "autopsy" after the 2012 election.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

Ryan may well be a better candidate than Cruz or Trump. The problem is if they screw Trump and Cruz and make him the nomination Trump will likely run as a third party candidate. That will cause a split in the republican vote and likely make it pretty easy for the democrat. If they could somehow keep Trump from running as a third party candidate it will help them to some degree, but it seems like about 35% of registered republicans are die hard Trump supporters. Who knows how they will react if he gets screwed out of the nomination. Without their support no republican candidate can win.

Don't be so sure the DNC is busy fucking over Bernie as well. Despite him winning Wyoming yesterday hilly gets half the delegates and all the super delegates..

Despite loosing Hillary walks away with more delegates than Sanders. I imagine this election will have the lowest turn outs of any election in recent history because it's obvious both parties are ignoring the actual voters and it will result in many people not bothering to vote.

[slapass]

Come on, we all knew the Republicans couldn't win this time around. They mailed it in.

The good news is this will force them to really look at their platform. Guns and abortion are pretty narrow and leaves a lot of folks out of it. Add in the denier element and any reasonable person has a hard time voting for their candidates. it is time they revamped it a bit.

[ITraffic]

at least this election reveals how the game is rigged to prevent "an outbreak of democracy."

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by poncabare

baffling why you would even care about another countries politics.

I too am baffled.

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by poncabare

baffling why you would even care about another countries politics.

Because American politics are rammed down everyone's throat, and whomever wins 2016 will affect the rest of the world for better or for worse.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by **********

Paul Ryan on the other hand is probably the smartest of the entire bunch on the republican side. I think that Ryan is the GOP's best hope of winning the whitehouse, or at the very least, saving the republican party.

You certainly (as usual) have NO idea about what people in this country want.

Yes, the media (who work for the RNC and the DNC) are pushing Ryan to low-information people like you.

REALITY: He didn't even carry his home state for Romney in 2012.
He BARELY won re-election to the House in his latest run.

NOBODY is going to vote for Ryan no matter how hard the media tries to push that.

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by crockett

Don't be so sure the DNC is busy fucking over Bernie as well. Despite him winning Wyoming yesterday hilly gets half the delegates and all the super delegates..

Despite loosing Hillary walks away with more delegates than Sanders. I imagine this election will have the lowest turn outs of any election in recent history because it's obvious both parties are ignoring the actual voters and it will result in many people not bothering to vote.

Exactly. It's disgusting. I've all but lost faith in the process. In TX my vote won't matter anyway. If/when Bernie gets screwed out of the nomination I'm writing my cat in. He would do a better job than anyone else.

Getting closer and closer to being an expat of this country.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Even if they knew the actions needed to fix this Trump/Cruz problem

What's most telling is that they consider people voting for whom they want (Trump) as a "problem" that needs to be "fixed"

Lot of money at stake for all those establishment people. Some of those "expert" campaign advisers who Trump has made look useless earn MILLIONS of dollars for their bullshit advice that hasn't helped any of the candidates.

The establishment is being exposed like the emperor with no clothes. And they are fighting hard to stop that.

That's why they aren't lining up behind Trump and instead are trying to destroy their own front-runner.

They aren't even hiding it anymore...pure desperation by a bunch of greedy fuckers in the establishment who see their gravy train disappearing.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What's most telling is that they consider people voting for whom they want (Trump) as a "problem" that needs to be "fixed"

Lot of money at stake for all those establishment people. Some of those "expert" campaign advisers who Trump has made look useless earn MILLIONS of dollars for their bullshit advice that hasn't helped any of the candidates.

The establishment is being exposed like the emperor with no clothes. And they are fighting hard to stop that.

That's why they aren't lining up behind Trump and instead are trying to destroy their own front-runner.

They aren't even hiding it anymore...pure desperation by a bunch of greedy fuckers in the establishment who see their gravy train disappearing.

Great Post..!

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[ITraffic]

Originally Posted by bronco67

To fix their overall party conundrum and make themselves more palatable to the changing demographics they'll need years (maybe a generation) of gradual change that is actually sincere.

confirmed:

Republicans Admit That A Trump Or Cruz Win Will Destroy The GOP For A Generation

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What's most telling is that they consider people voting for whom they want (Trump) as a "problem" that needs to be "fixed"

Lot of money at stake for all those establishment people. Some of those "expert" campaign advisers who Trump has made look useless earn MILLIONS of dollars for their bullshit advice that hasn't helped any of the candidates.

The establishment is being exposed like the emperor with no clothes. And they are fighting hard to stop that.

That's why they aren't lining up behind Trump and instead are trying to destroy their own front-runner.

They aren't even hiding it anymore...pure desperation by a bunch of greedy fuckers in the establishment who see their gravy train disappearing.

The establishment isn't going anywhere people will just become disenfranchised and do nothing. People in this country are more worried about making their payments on their mc mansions and 60 month car loans than what happens in DC.

Look at Iceland as a prefect example of what this country isnt. When it came out their PM was hiding money, the people took to the streets and ran him out of office last week.

People in this country are more worried about their new iphone than getting fucked by the govt from corrupt political system. People here are fat and lazy..

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

confirmed:

Republicans Admit That A Trump Or Cruz Win Will Destroy The GOP For A Generation

They've already been doing it for years. It's not like they needed Trump or Cruz's help. I'd say Trump or Cruz isn't the problem -- they're more of a symptom of the problem.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What's most telling is that they consider people voting for whom they want (Trump) as a "problem" that needs to be "fixed"

Lot of money at stake for all those establishment people. Some of those "expert" campaign advisers who Trump has made look useless earn MILLIONS of dollars for their bullshit advice that hasn't helped any of the candidates.

The establishment is being exposed like the emperor with no clothes. And they are fighting hard to stop that.

That's why they aren't lining up behind Trump and instead are trying to destroy their own front-runner.

They aren't even hiding it anymore...pure desperation by a bunch of greedy fuckers in the establishment who see their gravy train disappearing.

Good news is it makes people want to vote for Trump. Bad news is it shows how out of it the RNC really is.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by crockett

The establishment isn't going anywhere people will just become disenfranchised and do nothing. People in this country are more worried about making their payments on their mc mansions and 60 month car loans than what happens in DC.

Look at Iceland as a prefect example of what this country isnt. When it came out their PM was hiding money, the people took to the streets and ran him out of office last week.

People in this country are more worried about their new iphone than getting fucked by the govt from corrupt political system. People here are fat and lazy..

Or we have it so good that we don't care.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by bronco67

They've already been doing it for years. It's not like they needed Trump or Cruz's help. I'd say Trump or Cruz isn't the problem -- they're more of a symptom of the problem.

Exactly. Trump or Cruz didn't just appear magically. And Bernie's popularity didn't just happen either.

Not one of those people are what we have been spoonfed into believing is supposed to be President. Not one.

But people are sick and tired of electing the chosen candidates and then watching them do none of the things they were elected to do.

If I were a Republican...I would leave that party immediately. Think about it: they are opposed to abortion, they also want a smaller govt. with less spending.
Bush was in office for all those years with a fully controlled Republican House and Senate.
So why isn't abortion illegal? Why did Bush spend MORE money and make govt. BIGGER?
Because he was NEVER going to do what the voters elected him to do.

If I were a Democrat...I would leave that party too. Obama has been President for almost 8 years now. Why aren't taxes a lot higher? Why isn't the govt. a LOT bigger? Yeah, I know he has a Republican legislature to deal with...but the first two years he had FULL control with a super majority in the House and Senate. And all we got was ObamaCare?
He never had any intention on doing what the voters elected him to do.

People want someone who isn't owned by special interests and will just do what they say they are going to do. Or at least try to do it. And if Congress won't work with them...guess what? They are gonna get voted out too.

We KNOW what Trump wants to do. We KNOW what Bernie wants to do.

Jeb? He would have said anything to get elected. And then obey all the people that donated those hundreds of millions of dollars to him.
Hillary? Same exact thing.

People are tired of it.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Exactly. Trump or Cruz didn't just appear magically. And Bernie's popularity didn't just happen either.

Not one of those people are what we have been spoonfed into believing is supposed to be President. Not one.

But people are sick and tired of electing the chosen candidates and then watching them do none of the things they were elected to do.

If I were a Republican...I would leave that party immediately. Think about it: they are opposed to abortion, they also want a smaller govt. with less spending.
Bush was in office for all those years with a fully controlled Republican House and Senate.
So why isn't abortion illegal? Why did Bush spend MORE money and make govt. BIGGER?
Because he was NEVER going to do what the voters elected him to do.

If I were a Democrat...I would leave that party too. Obama has been President for almost 8 years now. Why aren't taxes a lot higher? Why isn't the govt. a LOT bigger? Yeah, I know he has a Republican legislature to deal with...but the first two years he had FULL control with a super majority in the House and Senate. And all we got was ObamaCare?
He never had any intention on doing what the voters elected him to do.

People want someone who isn't owned by special interests and will just do what they say they are going to do. Or at least try to do it. And if Congress won't work with them...guess what? They are gonna get voted out too.

We KNOW what Trump wants to do. We KNOW what Bernie wants to do.

Jeb? He would have said anything to get elected. And then obey all the people that donated those hundreds of millions of dollars to him.
Hillary? Same exact thing.

People are tired of it.

Obama said he would do Obamacare and he did. He made lots of measures to get us out of the recession, food stamps expanded, cash for clunkers, first time home buyers. He got us out of the wars. So far, he has been ok as far as what he said he would do. He did not cure all of our ills.

Bernie seems pretty straight up. Nuts but he seems to have a plan.

Trump has said he wants to rebuild the gutted military but wants to make it smaller. He wants troops on the ground and wipe out Isis but wants to stay out of the middle east. I tend to like his flexibility as that is what a good business person needs. If it is not working then go the other way and try that. It is less good for telling me what he is for before an election. He did lose me when he was a birther and re enforced that with the ban Muslim thing. He tends to speak first first and evaluate second.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by slapass

Or we have it so good that we don't care.

That's not true at all. The middle class has been gutted and now the average person is working 2 jobs to stay afloat or attempt to get ahead. Not only that but both the man and the women have to work in order to maintain their lifestyle which wasn't required of the middle class back in the 50s for example.

People are enslaved by debt and passified with new toys.

[ReggieDurango]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I think most of the world cares about who becomes President of the USA. Just sayin.

Quoted for truth!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You certainly (as usual) have NO idea about what people in this country want.

Yes, the media (who work for the RNC and the DNC) are pushing Ryan to low-information people like you.

REALITY: He didn't even carry his home state for Romney in 2012.
He BARELY won re-election to the House in his latest run.

NOBODY is going to vote for Ryan no matter how hard the media tries to push that.

I didn't say anything about what the people want. I didn't say anything about him becoming president. I said he would be the next republican nominee. Funny how you read things that aren't even there. And you have the fucking nerve to call me "low information". Funny how you like to insult people every time they prove you wrong, and funny (or sad) how you blame new and science sources for misinformation any time what's [resented doesn't fit your view of the world.

Here's some stuff for you to read:

Top Republicans: Paul Ryan will end up with GOP nomination - Business Insider
Forget Trump. Paul Ryan is the likely GOP nominee—commentary
We choose the nominee, not the voters: Senior GOP official
Paul Ryan Won't Rule Out Accepting GOP Nomination at RNC Convention - Fortune
Charles Koch Is Privately Committed To Getting Paul Ryan Nominated In Cleveland: Source

Oops wait, "the media" is not to be trusted. LOL.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by crockett

That's not true at all. The middle class has been gutted and now the average person is working 2 jobs to stay afloat or attempt to get ahead. Not only that but both the man and the women have to work in order to maintain their lifestyle which wasn't required of the middle class back in the 50s for example.

People are enslaved by debt and passified with new toys.

If you think that women want to stay home or that we want the lifestyle of the 50's then that is on you.

The middle class has been gutted my whole life, and everyone has it pretty good. Look at us sitting around doing nothing and we are fine.