Finally having the Samsung Gear VR at home...

[MaDalton]

Today I got the Samsung Gear VR and a Samsung S6 - together that is pretty awesome - a whole other world than just Google Cardboard or some cheap plastic goggles.

Whoever still thinks that this can be compared to the failed 3D: you are soooooo wrong

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

Today I got the Samsung Gear VR and a Samsung S6 - together that is pretty awesome - a whole other world than just Google Cardboard or some cheap plastic goggles.

Whoever still thinks that this can be compared to the failed 3D: you are soooooo wrong

So what you're saying is you're a masturbating machine today.

[420]

This thread set off my alert for masturbating machine. I'm looking for the robotic hand version.

[adultmobile]

Let's say the hardware is cool, and move to content... where a guy should go with samsung S6 and gear VR to see something awesome, for free?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

So what you're saying is you're a masturbating machine today.

i'm tempted

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Let's say the hardware is cool, and move to content... where a guy should go with samsung S6 and gear VR to see something awesome, for free?

there is a lot to watch that comes through the Oculus interface - no free porn though - yet...

that should give people a hint

[420]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

there is a lot to watch that comes through the Oculus interface - no free porn though - yet...

that should give people a hint

Thank you sir for the tip. VRtube.com coming soon

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by 420

Thank you sir for the tip. VRtube.com coming soon

if you can afford the bandwidth and serve at least 20 mbit/s per video...

[Sednub997]

How much you paid for both

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

Today I got the Samsung Gear VR and a Samsung S6 - together that is pretty awesome - a whole other world than just Google Cardboard or some cheap plastic goggles.

Whoever still thinks that this can be compared to the failed 3D: you are soooooo wrong

I still like my 3D tv but never liked the idea of 3D porn (Don't want to see jizz flying towards me)

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sednub997

How much you paid for both

$400 net for the S6, $90 net for the Gear VR

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by SBJ

I still like my 3D tv but never liked the idea of 3D porn (Don't want to see jizz flying towards me)

We did some solo videos - the girl is so close, you almost can't hold yourself back and try to touch her. It's almost scary

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by 420

This thread set off my alert for masturbating machine. I'm looking for the robotic hand version.

look up 360 video on youtube for a start

[Relic]

It's good to lack hair

[Spunky]

Another must have toy for my S6

[JustDaveXxx]

I was at Manuel Ferrara's house 2 days ago and he showed me some mainstream stuff shot with I think it was 16 Go-Pros.


I was like WTF!!!! The scenes were a complete 360 up and down view with no seems.

The 1st clip was the point of view of a diver under water with 3 massive sharks swimming around me.


The came to my left, when I turned around there was another one, when I looked up, I saw one swim over me, when I looked down I saw one swim under me.

I actually am a diver who loves spear fishing and this truly made me feel like I was under water with everything I saw. So impressed!!


The I was in the cockpit of a formula One car. That too was amazing!!


The porn I saw was cool, but nothing like the mainstream stuff I saw.


The porn I saw was a clip of 3 couples. One to my left and right and straight in front of me.


The other clip I saw was a massive orgy scene with a whole lot of stuff going one.


I will defiantly be buying this Oculous Rift thing, but it won't be for porn, it will be for the mainstream stuff that I saw.


On the business side, i have no interest in shooting this stuff for porn.


But I do have a meeting with someone that wants me to head up a mainstream shoot, where I would be capturing the look and feel of the the X-games.


This kind of project peaks my interest a bit if it doesn't effect all of my current porn projects.


VR is not a fad, with the right content it truly can be an amazing experience.


Just Dave

[just a punk]

Congrats. I'll wait for S7 and Gear 360

[CurrentlySober]

Doubt you will be able to view this unless you have a UK proxy but here yah go anyway

BBC iPlayer - The Virtual Reality Virgin

Its a look at all the new stuff, including mainstream and porn, but he goes so far as to actually try a rig with a robotic masterbater etc - Interesting a DEFIANTLY worth a watch.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

VR is not a fad, with the right content it truly can be an amazing experience.

absolutely

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Congrats. I'll wait for S7 and Gear 360

we produce right now - can't wait

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Doubt you will be able to view this unless you have a UK proxy but here yah go anyway

BBC iPlayer - The Virtual Reality Virgin

Its a look at all the new stuff, including mainstream and porn, but he goes so far as to actually try a rig with a robotic masterbater etc - Interesting a DEFIANTLY worth a watch.

i'll check with VPN - thanks!


and I just tried some more and found out a couple interesting things about the Samsung stuff - like that not everyone can deal with it (one person saw the screen flicker, the other had problems with left eye/right eye separation) and that it's not made for a 5 hour wanking session, the phone overheats after a while and needs a break

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'll check with VPN - thanks!

Yeah, do check - Its really interesting. You wont be disappointed

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

we produce right now - can't wait

Are you going to make 360° content? This may work well for a group action only, IMHO

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Are you going to make 360° content? This may work well for a group action only, IMHO

if somebody pays for it...

Marc Dorcel has made some awesome stuff already but they also just used about 270° out of 360° - the very background was just a huge logo.

but we have the equipment for it

[SekobA]

Congrats nice move

[Yanks_Todd]

Can it be DRMed? Anybody know the story on that. It would be pretty awesome if we as an industry had some brains about the way we go about this one. I do think this is Paysite/Content 2.0 do-over and it would be pretty nice to not get flanked by a free model this time.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Can it be DRMed? Anybody know the story on that. It would be pretty awesome if we as an industry had some brains about the way we go about this one. I do think this is Paysite/Content 2.0 do-over and it would be pretty nice to not get flanked by a free model this time.

No DRM - the files are basically just ordinary mp4 videos.

but like I said on Skype yesterday: you need a really high bitrate (20 mbit/s and up) for a satisfying experience - which pretty much rules out tubes already (because I think that bandwidth and storage costs will not make it profitable).

and whoever saw a low quality sample, definitely will be looking for full quality

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

No DRM - the files are basically just ordinary mp4 videos.

but like I said on Skype yesterday: you need a really high bitrate (20 mbit/s and up) for a satisfying experience - which pretty much rules out tubes already (because I think that bandwidth and storage costs will not make it profitable).

and whoever saw a low quality sample, definitely will be looking for full quality

I was thinking more of torrents and peer to peer stuff. It won't be able to be produced at the same rate as non-VR stuff, so all of your content being available will happen eventually. and the tubes will catch up at some point. Years, but at some point. I wonder if there will be an option at some point.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I was thinking more of torrents and peer to peer stuff. It won't be able to be produced at the same rate as non-VR stuff, so all of your content being available will happen eventually. and the tubes will catch up at some point. Years, but at some point. I wonder if there will be an option at some point.

i guess it will not be possible to prevent piracy 100%

on the other hand: especially the high end VR user (Gear VR, Oculus, Vive) will be people with money - kind of like Apple people spend more per person than Android user

[Lykos]

I have to get those, nice

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if somebody pays for it...

Marc Dorcel has made some awesome stuff already but they also just used about 270° out of 360° - the very background was just a huge logo.

but we have the equipment for it

360 doesn't really make sense unless for orgy scenes or scenes in which at least several girls are present. Or until such time as the vr headset wearer can 'move around' the porn studio. That will be achievable in digital environments, but I guess it will have to wait for the vr tech to improve and for people to figure out how to record it for it to happen with real porn scenes. I am interested in how vr porn for the HTC Vive will differ, if at all, from the content being produced for the Oculus and Gear. Theoretically I suppose it could allow for viewer movement, but I think it will have to wait for the next generation of light field tech for it to really be possible.

As for the piracy issue, all the vr porn sites should get together and do whatever it takes to stamp out content theft before it has a chance of establishing itself. Anyway, the future of vr porn will be live cam chat. Most people who have tried porn in vr, even with the cardboard goggles, agree it's pretty amazingly 'real' and intimate. I can imagine live chat in vr is going to be on another level. I read AliceX.com are planning to charge close to $10 a minute for live vr chat with their models. There will be plenty of high income single guys spending hundreds every day on vr chat before long, I'm sure of it.

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

Today I got the Samsung Gear VR and a Samsung S6 - together that is pretty awesome - a whole other world than just Google Cardboard or some cheap plastic goggles.

Whoever still thinks that this can be compared to the failed 3D: you are soooooo wrong

Did 3D porn really fail?

Your content didn't sell but maybe that was due to an overcrowded content market relative to the demand, the demand largely being determined by the limited number of 3D TVs in use.

3D TVs and 3D entertainment in general failed, but 3D porn wasn't a complete failure at all. Last I checked Penthouse 3D had made millions of dollars in sales and are still shooting in 3D. 3D TVs were bought mainly by families for the lounge. Dads dont want to fap off to porn wearing glasses in the family lounge. Yet anaglyph porn wearing those crappy glasses for laptops was highly popular, especially given how crude anaglyph is compared to 3D TV.

If 3D TVs and 3D broadcasting had really taken off, 3D porn would have as well. 3D porn wasn't quite good enough to drive technology adoption, and this time it was tech that determined the fate of porn, not the other way around (as it's commonly supposed to be).

However, I agree that vr is on a whole different level. I'm surprised Penthouse didn't embrace vr, given that all their existing 3D stock is viewable with vr headsets and they have that experience of producing in stereo 3D already.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Did 3D porn really fail?

Your content didn't sell but maybe that was due to an overcrowded content market relative to the demand, the demand largely being determined by the limited number of 3D TVs in use.

3D TVs and 3D entertainment in general failed, but 3D porn wasn't a complete failure at all. Last I checked Penthouse 3D had made millions of dollars in sales and are still shooting in 3D. 3D TVs were bought mainly by families for the lounge. Dads dont want to fap off to porn wearing glasses in the family lounge. Yet anaglyph porn wearing those crappy glasses for laptops was highly popular, especially given how crude anaglyph is compared to 3D TV.

If 3D TVs and 3D broadcasting had really taken off, 3D porn would have as well. 3D porn wasn't quite good enough to drive technology adoption, and this time it was tech that determined the fate of porn, not the other way around (as it's commonly supposed to be).

However, I agree that vr is on a whole different level. I'm surprised Penthouse didn't embrace vr, given that all their existing 3D stock is viewable with vr headsets and they have that experience of producing in stereo 3D already.

well - who else besides Penthouse is doing 3D? Did they really make millions on it? Is anyone using his 3D TV at home? I have tried mine once about 4 years ago and everybody I ask says the same - no one is watching 3D at home. Even when they live alone.

And for me the HUGE difference is: With VR I have clients that are willing to invest in production - with 3D the willingness to spend extra on production was zero. Besides Penthouse - I could tell you some really funny (or sad) story about that.

So we didn't even start 3D production back then because no one wanted to pay extra for it.

And I agree about 360° - makes sense only for mass scenes.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by cordoba

360 doesn't really make sense unless for orgy scenes or scenes in which at least several girls are present. ... I can imagine live chat in vr is going to be on another level.

You made 2 conflicting statements: 1) 360 doesn't really make sense unless for 2+ girls present and 2) live vr (with 1 girl only) will do well.
I been director of some cam sites in past 10 years and I can see that 90% of the private shows, especially those long 1+ hours, always in old and modern times, feature single girl with fixed cam, either full body shot, or face shot for blah blah, or pussy/bum close up for rest - the change between these 2 or 3 standard poses is can be made with pan/tilt head commanded by remote, or, by the girl touching small cam with hands. Moving the head in 3d env there would simply let you look walls instead of the girl in such setup, unless it is a very close up scene, where a small rotation still shows the body, but would make it simply not centered.

There is 10 % of cam shows (especially public shows for tips or group shows) where the girl picks the cam in hand and does some close POV but it is more like close up POV from a small drone flight in orbit around her body, than from eyes of an human in room with her. Anyway is the model that moves the cam and selects the scene, can't see how you can do the cam point of view change depending on users head pan/tilt with 3d cam, unless applied to a small drone actually flying around, same if a guy wanted to walk around the girl, it is easier to tell her "turn", "show back" and so on, than actually walk yourself.

I think for VR that's better to have something like a video game scenario with lots of items in actual 3d rendering, with the girl inserted into, I mean a standard cam show (as described above) with just 3d cams instead of 2d cams is probably adding not as much as one would hope. But then adding vr scene from a blue or green screen, you're admiring the backgrounds, a distraction from the girl which after all is what you pay for mostly. Let people watch a porn scene and after it, ask them what it was in the background, you will find not many who can remember.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

You made 2 conflicting statements: 1) 360 doesn't really make sense unless for 2+ girls present and 2) live vr (with 1 girl only) will do well.
I been director of some cam sites in past 10 years and I can see that 90% of the private shows, especially those long 1+ hours, always in old and modern times, feature single girl with fixed cam, either full body shot, or face shot for blah blah, or pussy/bum close up for rest - the change between these 2 or 3 standard poses is can be made with pan/tilt head commanded by remote, or, by the girl touching small cam with hands. Moving the head in 3d env there would simply let you look walls instead of the girl in such setup, unless it is a very close up scene, where a small rotation still shows the body, but would make it simply not centered.

There is 10 % of cam shows (especially public shows for tips or group shows) where the girl picks the cam in hand and does some close POV but it is more like close up POV from a small drone flight in orbit around her body, than from eyes of an human in room with her. Anyway is the model that moves the cam and selects the scene, can't see how you can do the cam point of view change depending on users head pan/tilt with 3d cam, unless applied to a small drone actually flying around, same if a guy wanted to walk around the girl, it is easier to tell her "turn", "show back" and so on, than actually walk yourself.

I think for VR that's better to have something like a video game scenario with lots of items in actual 3d rendering, with the girl inserted into, I mean a standard cam show (as described above) with just 3d cams instead of 2d cams is probably adding not as much as one would hope. But then adding vr scene from a blue or green screen, you're admiring the backgrounds, a distraction from the girl which after all is what you pay for mostly. Let people watch a porn scene and after it, ask them what it was in the background, you will find not many who can remember.

I know I am not a cam specialist but I still would like to disagree.

whenever i look at cam sites, i see very often that girls are very close to the camera and you only see parts of her body.

with a 180° VR webcam, the user could focus and move to what pleases him. he likes her feet? look down. he likes her face? look up. her tits? look straight. you get the idea.



download and try yourself

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

download and try yourself

Ok I will have to get a Gear VR for my S6... then I may comment further.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by SBJ

I still like my 3D tv but never liked the idea of 3D porn (Don't want to see jizz flying towards me)

I love to have jizz flying at me and the more 3D the better!

[adultmobile]

Ok I checked samsung gear VR... that's cool if you're near big animals like a dinosaur or mega whale fishes, or in a circus looking up guys jumping. It follows your head quick, you are in the environment definitely. Regarding single woman of woman size, sure it feels more real than plain 2d, especially when something is moving in your direction (like, she slaps you in face lol), but I feel the 3d more with big objects or many small flying around up down etc., than a single person in front there.
Device became too hot to operate (screamed "please I need to cool down") and consumed 40% battery in 30 minutes while testing 3d demos, I suppose with videos it lasts longer.
It is sure worth $100 if you already own a Samsung S6, if there will be content available.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I was at Manuel Ferrara's house 2 days ago and he showed me some mainstream stuff shot with I think it was 16 Go-Pros.


I was like WTF!!!! The scenes were a complete 360 up and down view with no seems.

The 1st clip was the point of view of a diver under water with 3 massive sharks swimming around me.


The came to my left, when I turned around there was another one, when I looked up, I saw one swim over me, when I looked down I saw one swim under me.

I actually am a diver who loves spear fishing and this truly made me feel like I was under water with everything I saw. So impressed!!


The I was in the cockpit of a formula One car. That too was amazing!!


The porn I saw was cool, but nothing like the mainstream stuff I saw.


The porn I saw was a clip of 3 couples. One to my left and right and straight in front of me.


The other clip I saw was a massive orgy scene with a whole lot of stuff going one.


I will defiantly be buying this Oculous Rift thing, but it won't be for porn, it will be for the mainstream stuff that I saw.


On the business side, i have no interest in shooting this stuff for porn.


But I do have a meeting with someone that wants me to head up a mainstream shoot, where I would be capturing the look and feel of the the X-games.


This kind of project peaks my interest a bit if it doesn't effect all of my current porn projects.


VR is not a fad, with the right content it truly can be an amazing experience.


Just Dave

That is a great analysis of it. Thanks Dave!

[bronco67]

tried out Google Cardboard today and if that's the low end, then I'm excited to see the Vive or Occulus. You're right that it's a whole new level.

the simple VR stuff I saw today is the most impressive tech item I've seen a in a long time.

[VRPdommy]

For those still following this,
I can say that every smartphone will only get better. We are seeing screen sizes and resolutions that should enable 100 degree and better field of views and GPU's to drive high end phones starting with the Samsung s8 but we could see something in the next NOTE release this year.
As production techniques get better, this is only driving great experiences and fast.

I'm waiting for the first cam tube site with 360 cams and MTO content.
While it is not my 'thing', I can clearly see it being the choice for many.

As will peer 2 peer VR.

[Dmitry]

Could VR cam be used for live streaming?
In other words, can I connect it with USB cable and initialize as a webcam device on PC to see stream live?

[BigFurry]

If you read some forums, the consensus is that 180° 3D is the way to go. People are not happy with sites that produce 360°.

One of the problems with 360° is the quality. You're using the same resolutions for an even larger area.
4K in regular porn is super sharp, 4K for VR comes out just okay, since it's not the actual resolution that your eye will see. With 360° it's even worse. And you cannot raise the resolution further, because today's devices won't be able to play the files then.

It's not really worth it to waste the resolution for stuff that's going on behind your back, I don't think people generally want to spin 360° while watching porn either.

I think some sites "solved" the quality issue by recording 360° but not making it 3D. (Your left and right eyes see the same picture.)
Well, users aren't happy when it's not 3D either.

Also, anything that's not close to the user in the VR world is just not detailed, and not enjoyable. So people fucking meters away is not really enjoyable.

If you want to learn what users want, reddit is the best place to be. They don't want 360° orgies. They want intimate 180° 3D videos, with the girls being super close - girlfriend experiences, eye contact, actual kissing, boobs in the face, face sitting, stuff like that.

[BigFurry]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

Could VR cam be used for live streaming?
In other words, can I connect it with USB cable and initialize as a webcam device on PC to see stream live?

There is already VR streaming, and it seems quite hard to do atm.

https://www.alicex.com/ (affiliate link: Cummission )
CAM4VR - Streaming VR Live Sex Webcams (Formerly VRTube.xxx)

Both of them only have one girl online at a time. I think it takes a lot of effort and coordination to do these shows currently.
It's not an operation that camgirls can do on their own.

[nico-t]

i like apocalyptic games with destructed worlds. So i decided to wait about 15 years and walk the streets of European big cities for the real experience. I can't wait!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by BigFurry

If you read some forums, the consensus is that 180° 3D is the way to go. People are not happy with sites that produce 360°.

One of the problems with 360° is the quality. You're using the same resolutions for an even larger area.
4K in regular porn is super sharp, 4K for VR comes out just okay, since it's not the actual resolution that your eye will see. With 360° it's even worse. And you cannot raise the resolution further, because today's devices won't be able to play the files then.

It's not really worth it to waste the resolution for stuff that's going on behind your back, I don't think people generally want to spin 360° while watching porn either.

I think some sites "solved" the quality issue by recording 360° but not making it 3D. (Your left and right eyes see the same picture.)
Well, users aren't happy when it's not 3D either.

Also, anything that's not close to the user in the VR world is just not detailed, and not enjoyable. So people fucking meters away is not really enjoyable.

If you want to learn what users want, reddit is the best place to be. They don't want 360° orgies. They want intimate 180° 3D videos, with the girls being super close - girlfriend experiences, eye contact, actual kissing, boobs in the face, face sitting, stuff like that.

this pretty much sums it up

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by cordoba

360 doesn't really make sense unless for orgy scenes or scenes in which at least several girls are present.

This.

Guess people want to see the interior where the fucking takes place ..

Still don't get the obsession, it's only useful for landscape shots - Google Street View has been here for ages, so what exactly is new?

[Hannes]

well masterbation just went up a whole new level.

[Sid70]

Each time I hear about this virtual shit I think whoever is paying for sex, virtual or real, is being MONEYpulated, get a real slut, be a man )