itx

The trumps fans will never get billonaire like him

itx

The politics is more complex....

Barry-xlovecam

Oh, I get it;

You see, life is like a shit sandwich because the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat.

Just like it was 50 years ago.

When you live beyond your means you get slapped down every time.

nico-t

jesus christ, here we go again... instead of going to war with Russia they just pick Iran

Lets see how it turns out, this guy is still a 'contender'.

Grapesoda

who won the election... America is filled with people that work and raise families that are sick to death of loud mouth obnoxious assholes demanding privilege

Grapesoda

if you'll go to prager university you'll find many good things Mark

Grapesoda

the entire democratic pitch is you are helpless and you need us to help you

Grapesoda

yes it is, the left or hiilary supports are total bigots

Grapesoda

a big business man is a politician.

Grapesoda

yup and you are not even American, thanks for letting us run our own country

Grapesoda

everybody is running their mouth about how great the economy is yet every day I see business closing down... vendors are grinding for every penny, it's hard to get invoices paid... In wonder where this great obanaomics miracle is happening? I'm pretty sure that Obama admin stats are heavily manipulated. fuck the news and the reports, look aorund

Grapesoda

Obama will not go down in history as a good pres unless they work the black angle. they are all to fucking embarrassed to say the first black pres is a tard.

Paul Markham

So no different from what Clinton would have done. And no difference to what Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, etc did.

So what do you suggest?

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Paul Markham

Wrong. Half of America is sick to death of losing their jobs, getting paid less, living a less comfortable life than their parents, seeing worse in the future for their children. While a small percentage get richer by the minute. Who whether they are or not loud mouth obnoxious assholes they get privileges.

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Paul Markham

So the US is a dictatorship where one man makes all the decisions. you're the tard if you think this. As the evidence clearly shows a decline over decades.

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slapass

Thanks for clearing that up. I was a few drinks in last night and gave up on this. It did not make sense that 1/3 of Americans wanted a job and were not working and had givn up. I do not personally know one person in that group.

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The only thing he cleared up is the fact you were both wrong. Come by my business and while we stand in my parking lot I can point them out to you as they walk by. They would be the ones who see me unloading 2000+lb pieces of equipment by myself because 1. They don't even ask for a job. 2. Even if they did they would complain I wasn't paying them enough primarily because generally even 18 year olds these days can't even keep up with me at 42. 3. It's a lot easier to ask me for a cigarette every time they walk by rather than ask for a way to earn a pack.

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slapass

Labor Force = Number of Employed + Number of Unemployed

Labor Force Participation Rate = (Labor Force / Total Population over Age 16) * 100

Look at these closely. It is confusing how they wrote it but it is the total population and retired folks are counted as they are specifically mentioned as not being in the labor force.

I did the math based on that page you cited -

Small city with 10 people over 16. 2 are retired. So 8 are working.

Labor Force Participation Rate - 80%= ( 8 / 10 ) * 100

Labor force of 8 = 8 + 0 as the 2 are not unemployed they are retired.

Unemployment Rate = (Number of Unemployed / Labor Force) * 100

0 = (0/8)*100

Paul Markham

That has to be the only way in the future. The poor will just outvote the richer minority.

The problem is how to tax the very rich and Corporations so the entire burden doesn't fall on your level. They have to be in the US to pay US taxes, this is assuming tax havens become extinct.

This is the long-term effect of cheap clothing, iPhones, electrical good, furniture, autos, etc. Add automation to the mix and you have a perfect storm. You are not immune from the effects of Globalisation and Automation. As it's your customers who are being made poorer and unable to buy what you offer.

Rochard is disguising the truth.





As you see the stats the Government give out are rigged.

If you want to meet these people, you need only go to your local fast food outlet. Or to the Mid-West.

I see this as a massive problem. Is this a bubble that's waiting to blow, or based on real values? Should it be the former, the shit will hit the fan and make 2008 look like a ride in the park.



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slapass

He is here and you are not. I also live in the US and I agree with him. The middle class as he defines it (white) is mad about the minorities getting equal rights.

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-2=6. They already participated and aren't counted..

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slapass

This from the formula - "Total Population over Age 16" . So that is 10 in our model. I think you are confused as they compute unemployment on that page also, and of course, they are not counted in that group.

I am fine if you are trolling but as a logic problem I think it would be cool if you agreed with that part. Lots of folks are on here with English as a second language so I can understand it is not clear to a native speaker let alone a non native speaker.

itx

If Hillary has more votes than trump why feel so special...

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You keep leaving this key part out of your equation the same as Rochard.. It's already been addressed so you're just making yourself look like an idiot by not reading previous comments..

"In addition, students, retirees, the disabled, homemakers, and the voluntarily idle are not counted in the labor force"

These people aren't included because they a. Can't (disabled) b. Already have. (retired) c. Choose not to.. (homemaker) D. Other obligations (school)

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slapass

I work in this environment. I saw it in action when it started and know full well about this. The % of our overall population that is on SSI (disabled) added to welfare is the same as it has been for 30 years (about 3%).

It is not a conspiracy. The states saw a way to push the chronic unemployed onto the Fed side of the ledger. It was done openly as far as those concerned. AFDC which is Aid for dependent children has not changed since 1984. A mother with 2 children receives $532/month in my county. The federal government picks up the balance with food stamps (I forget what it is called) and housing aid ( section 8, section 42 etc). Now now SSI/disability at $778/month or so for those qualified.

PS the Feds fought back and it is much harder to get SSI now.

crockett

You can always volunteer to be first in the 50% cut. It's always very funny to see people like you say this kinda stuff but of course you aren't willing to be in that 50% cut.

You conservatives are always the same.. you whine, moan and expect everyone else to pay the price for you.. This is why every Republican run state sucks is typically shit and when they have control of the govt they fuck shit up, too many talkers and not enough doers.

Paul Markham

Which is why I rely on information I find online and not anecdotal.

Rochard lives in a pretty well off are of CA. He was boasting about the low crime rate recently. Where do you live?

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There are 3 unemployed people for every job opening, Obama adviser says | PolitiFact

This will give you a clearer view of the future and today. Look at where the growth of jobs are, the level of pay and the skills and training required. Occupations with the most job growth

Just looking at the numbers is blinkering your view.

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slapass

Labor Force Participation Rate = (Labor Force / Total Population over Age 16) * 100

EXACTLY! So the retired people are not in the labor force. They are in the Total Population.

10 people over 16 - This our total population.

2 are retired. So they don't count in the labor force. 10-2=8.

The labor force has 8.

(8/10)*100

Labor Force Participation Rate = 80% .

You can see how if lots of folks retire, it effects our final answer.

Paul Markham

The last UK Labour Government did exactly the same to make unemployment figures look good. They took as many as possible and moved them off unemployed and onto other lists, while still keeping them on benefits. My graph shows how easy it is and how long it's been going on for.

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@ Paul;
I remember these Presidents personally

Kennedy (I was 5 year old when he was elected)
Johnson
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Regan
HW Bush
Clinton
GW Bush
Obama

1. *Kennedy has brass balls and he was fucking Marylin Monroe -- he had a hot young wife too. He told Khrushchev to eat shit and Khrushchev backed down and was later deposed.
2. *Johnson inherited Vietnam from Kennedy and made a real mess of it but he did pass the Civil rights Act and Medicare -- he wanted to do the right thing for the people.
3. *Nixon was a criminal. I fought him (the US Government) in the streets. I am a pardoned draft evading felon who was later received a blanket Presidential Pardon, and damed proud of have doing the right thing. 1970 until the end of the Vietnam war. He was the enemy then and still is today.
   He devalued the US currency TWICE and started the inflation/recession cycle with greater severity that has not been seen since my parents trauma of the Great Depression.
   A war criminal and a petty criminal -- he kept political slush funds in cash in the White house safe to pay for criminal acts, i.e.; Watergate, BB Rebozo et al. Nixon also is responsible for the deaths of 20,000+ American young men who were my peers by prolonging the Vietnam war with his "Peace with Honor" bullshit. I will despise that man until the day I die. Some of my late friends and my friends' brothers are already dead from that needless that war.
   Oh Yeah, he was the one that first opened the floodgates of Chinese trade with the USA if you want to add that to the list *
4. *Ford was a dope really, a (R) Minority Leader in the House when Nixon's "partner in crime" Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned and then pleaded no contest to criminal charges of tax evasion and money laundering Ford was appointed Nixon's VP.
5. *The only good thing Carter did for me was that blanket pardon -- for that he has my respect because the nation was on the edge of violent revolution. He creates what was called the CETA jobs program and we got rich selling stuff on installment credit to the newly employed -- still there were other economic problems. Rampant inflation, joblessness -- not Carter's fault he inherited a post war economy with its high debt like the situation we have today.
   
   The rest is for another time ...
   
   History repeats itself if you live long enough, my mother told me so, my grandfathers told me so -- I really didn't believe them until now.
   
   
   
   

BarryB

Trump as president is the best reality TV I could hope for.

woj

what are you talking about? what "equal rights"? minorities had equal rights for decades... and if anything, they have more rights than whites, in many situations minorities get preferential treatment over whites... (school admissions, jobs, etc)

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Sorry looking back I see you were correct in the original post in how you figured that. But what I think they did was create a new category. We will call it category E. People who quit looking for work. This group of people were put into the excluded participation group. But once they got a job they are automatically back in the labor force. That's why we see the huge increase/decline rather than gradual and good unemployment numbers under Obama.

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slapass

Two people decide to go to school
10 - 2 - 2 = 6

(6/10)*100 = 60% Labor force participation rate.

slapass

1985 the population was 237 with 6 million SSI/welfare for 2.5%

2012 population was 318 with 9 million on SSI/welfare for 2.8%.

That is higher by 10% so I am not sure if that is the recession at that time or? Un employment was much higher. That might effect it or we have a long term higher trend going on. It is still super low as far as overall population.

Rochard

Yes. Exactly.

Retirees, housewives, students, etc, aren't counted in the labor force. But they are included in the participation rate. The participation rate includes EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF SIXTEEN PERIOD.

And once again, this entire discussion is silly and has nothing to do with the economy or Obama. The decline started in 2000, as the baby boomer generation got older started to retire.

And again, to kill your argument.... The unemployment rate was cut in half during Obama. The labor participation rate would be going up as the economy improves.

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Rochard

Not at all.

American's aren't unemployed at all. We have a 5% unemployment rate. We have a low unemployment rate, and the cost of goods are low.

However, imagine a world where all of the products we buy nearly double in price. Apple looked into making the iPHone in the United States and discovered the cost of the iPhone would double. Less sales means less profit and less sales means less jobs. And that's not only at Apple - the phone companies would need less people because they don't sell any many phones, and less people working at the mall to sell iPhone related products like phone cases, etc. Unemployment would go up, as would the cost of living - both would be harmful to the general economy.

Trump, the man who wants to do this, buys EVERYTHING from China. His ties are made in China, the sheets and dressers in his hotels are made in China; His fucking hats are made in China. If the cost of everything he buys doubles, either his profit margin is reduced or he charges a lot more.

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1. Most people that are not working today have a problem or just don't want to work.
2. If your trying hard you are probably finding work.
3. If you are chronically unemployed you probably have an addiction problem, medical or mental problem or criminal history.
4. If you really have a problem with racial decriminalization obtaining a job the government does need to help you in a constructive way.

If your REAL problem is the lack of an opportunity you might try learning a needed skill.
Low skilled labor sucks. Robotics does most of that work today in the USA.

But don't despair; Trump is deporting lots of illegals that are chopping lettuce, plucking chicken, cleaning toilets ... you can have their shitty jobs at low wages.

There may be some jobs in construction opening up -- that is dirty and dangerous work -- I know I was a building contractor ;0) However, the undocumented workers had the lowest paid jobs from the what I saw -- mostly scabs in small residential construction.

Grapesoda

I have no control I'm not eady to do anything

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The argument is the monumental decline in participation rate during Obama's admin. Sorry but that isn't from retiring baby boomers which is the decline that you speak. Notice the graph takes a HUGE downward spiral during his Admin. That's because they changed how it's all figured. They admitted this much.. What did they change? I can't find it anywhere. What do most people speculate? That they created a new category of people excluded (those not seeking work) Why did they do that? To inflate the unemployment numbers and make it appear the economy is thriving when all other indicators say it's flat lined at best..

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slapass

And there you go

slapass

Wow! Get out a piece of paper do the math. You are still upset that you swallowed a bad stat from some opinion based news station? It happens. Educate yourself on this one thing and move on.

The thing you looking for is "underemployed". Yes, this is a worry. Labor laws are making bad incentives. Obamacare added to it. I think based on the participation rate getting killed, it will work its way out. We need more workers not less.

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Underemployed is someone with a degree/skill driving for uber, delivering pizza, waiting tables or other menial part-time jobs. They have a job and receiving a pay check so are in the labor force. I'm talking about all of those people who were milking Obama's unemployment extended benefit gravy train who never got another job. The millennials who think their time is only worth $15 an hour or it's no job at all or those who got a degree in liberal arts and will only accept a job for $60+k a year, etc. There are lots of them.

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Op will NEVER get it...

Corporations receive the most "free" shit.

Bladewire

Can't we all just get along?

I'm seeing that a lot of hardcore Trumpelstilkins have rather deep whiney vaginas developing

Paul Markham

So employing more people in America leads to fewer jobs. Did you think this through?

Buying online means products are cheaper and costs the jobs of people working in shops and malls.

Let's assume you're right and we keep exporting jobs to the Third World. Fewer jobs means fewer customers, fewer sales, shops and malls close putting more people out of work.

As for people out of work. How many of those in work are on wages so low they can't afford an iPhoneand looking at the long term what happens when they vote Socialists because they're the only people who care?

An alternative is you pay more in taxes so they can buy iPhones to keep people at Amazon in a job.

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Paul Markham

1. Go tell that to those who live in cities like Detroit or the midwest.
2. Flippingburgers on minimum wage
3. Or just live in an area where the jobs have gone to the Third World.
4. So racism is acceptable. Or did you really mean Racial decriminalisation
5. How much does that cost?
6. Agreed and then what do you do with the millions who have no other choice?

Yes deporting those who do jobs for minimum wage will open up jobs, why do you expect people to work for little and live in poverty so you can have cheap goods?

Your attitude was paramount among the rich and well off back in Victorian times. your problem long term, as this election proves, is the people won't vote to be poorer. People like Sanders or the Far Right will sail into power.

Unless you think the vote should only go to those who own land or earn above $60,000.

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As jobs paying a decent wage decline, the population grows. When do we reach a point where more are sharing less?

It's already happening. The average family income is dropping. Just having job hides the truth. Many of those jobs pay so little the taxes raised aren't covering the costs of running a modern country. Being able to more than the basics so affecting the retail market. Which has a knock on affect of putting those people out of a job.

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As jobs paying a decent wage decline, the population grows. When do we reach a point where more are sharing less?

It's already happening. The average family income is dropping. Just having job hides the truth. Many of those jobs pay so little the taxes raised aren't covering the costs of running a modern country. Being able to more than the basics so affecting the retail market. Which has a knock on affect of putting those people out of a job.

Many of you are looking at this short term. Think long term. The West can't keep exporting jobs and automating them without thinking what to do with those who are put out of work. So the few can enjoy a richer life style.

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DraX

Yes most americans voted for Hillary but to be honest, not by much. Now realize how many vouched for Hillary that really shouldn't. Celebrities, you know how they are. A biased MEDIA with capital letters. The list goes on.

Here's the final numbers of the election according to CNN presidential results:

TRUMP 61,201,031 -- 47%

HILLARY 62,523,126 -- 48%

The U.S. IS divided and truth be told americans are sick to death.

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