Gman.357

Are you watching the news down there?

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Ace-Ace

A lot of conspiracists are shutting up now that the facts (that most of us have been regurgitating all along) are hitting the media and becoming 100% truth and reality. This board is becoming a read-worthy place once again.

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Mark

I think he got drafted and is on his way to liberate baghdad.. better late than never..

SothArtist

I can't believe he is australian. takes all kinds

stocktrader23

What conspiracy exactly are you saying Joe was touting?

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Gman.357

The conspiracy of bullshit.

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ServerGenius

If you think this is really the end of it.....because of some kurds
in the north and some shija arabs in the outskirts of bagdad
start to rise up then I´m afraid you´re wrong.

Do you have any idea how many different repressed religious
groups are in Iraq that can drink eachothers blood? They all
want to claim power and form somekind of state.

Iraq is a worse version of former Yugoslavia. Also people that
have been repressed for so long have are not used to freedom
and most likely such a big change will bring a lot chaos to the
streets.

There is no police control, no law, no order......nothing. All these
religous groups were kept in control by brutality which now will
be gone.....so these groups start to express themselfes and
their beliefs. This will undoubtly lead to huge clashes between
these groups.

Kurds, sunnies, shijaads, muslims, cristians, normal citizens that
lived reasonably well under Saddam´s regime.

The looting will also destroy a lot of the documents and evidence
of all the crimes the regime is responsible for.

How should a new government be formed and with whom?
Iraqis that lived in excile are not recognised by the iraqis. The
coalition forces will not be seen as invadors but as occupants
when they try to stay and sort everything out.

US is still hated for the Isreal issue and for leaving the arabs
to their faith in 1991.

Besides the people who stand up and "celebrate" now are the
people of which the coalition thought they would rise up 3 weeks
ago.

The Saddam regime will be gone soon.....but what´s next, how
to achieve that and what further chaos and violence will it bring?
To start cheering now.....is really premature and what the result
will be remains to be seen.

DynaMite

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stocktrader23

*claps* Intelligence is slowly working its way back in to this board...yay!

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KRL

Hey Dyna man, we accomplished a damn lot in 3 short weeks so far, chill out with the negative crap and let us enjoy our 1st step of the process victory.

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Gman.357

Some people are just totally devoid of optimism.

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Serge_Oprano

Gman,
I heard from Joe6Pack...
he says the only reason he couldn't report to GFY is
the mental institution he is in lost internet connection
;-)))

Gman.357

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ServerGenius

I didn´t say that the coalition forces didn´t achieve a lot during
the 3 weeks of the intervention. My personal opinion is that they
shouldn´t have go in in the first place the way they did but that
set aside yes a lot of progress has been made.

I posted because people were cheering and making very
premature assumptions based on the events that are currently
happening.

One of the main reasons of why I personally was against this
war will become clear AFTER the coalition forces have left Iraq
and what will happen then. And I don´t mean about who gets
which contracts to build up Iraq again but of what will be left
of Iraq.....what will further happen to the middle east because
of this change and the DEFENITIVE increase in terrorist attacks
around the world.....not just in the US/UK but around the world.

I do feel that the consequences of the war in Iraq that will
have an affect on the whole world have been seriously
underestimated

It´s nothing anti american or lefties peace talk but just a concern
to what will happen when the smoke clears. And yes I do fear
that it will only cause more smoke and fire in many different
places......and how will be reacted to that, etc, etc, etc.

As far as the military operation in this particular battle....YES...
a lot has been achieved and I will be the last who will deny that.
I just raise a finger and express that this is not even close to the
end or a decent solution for the crisis.


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Serge_Oprano

I do feel that the consequences of the war in Iraq that will
have an affect on the whole world have been seriously
underestimated
*****************************

I like and greet those consequences....

This war asures the US/UK leading role in the world and I predict the next coalition of the willing will be bigger than this one.

I also see those countries who over estimated UN and the role of their countries in the world as a direct LOSERS.

I can live with that.

ADL Colin

I think the taunting is somewhat aimed at those who said things like "Saddam learned so much from 1991", "Saddam is not stupid", "This will be another Vietnam", "Remember Somalia" and other various predictions of military failure, quagmire, or being bogged down that were ridiculous on the face of it.

It's not a reasonable goal to eliminate terrorist attacks. It is a reasonable goal to decrease terrorist attacks that may involve nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. To remove the connections between state sponsors of terror and terrorist organizations. Not to eliminate it. To reduce it.

Iraq may very well remain or become a mess but it won't change the fact that the goal of eliminating the Saddam Hussein threat to the world will be reached. Iraq's state sponsorship of terrorist organizations and the continual denial of the international community will soon be ended.

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Gman.357

Joe is no doubt taking another video cap of his ass...

This time with a big foot in it.

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Serge_Oprano

c'mon,
lack of brains shouldn't prevent him from launching his content career...
;-)))

bhutocracy

losing several thousand US troops was a very real threat - just using the army's own figures for urban warfare loss would bring you that figure, no chemical weapons or anything nasty.. it is unbelievably fortunate that thing have turned out the way they have - who would have guessed what a bunch of no talent ass-clowns Saddam's tacticians have been.. I figured he was holding back and some great guerilla war was about to start - you know a sniper popping out of concealed rooms in each building after areas were cleared and taking out soldiers from behind their lines and whatnot.. It's crazy Basra took longer than Bagdad.
It was always going to be one sided, but c'mon..

jimmyf

Very true. Also you got's to crawl before walking. Iraq people will do just fine.

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Serge_Oprano

sonny,
we shoot at our own reporters,
you think anything will stop us from shooting at snipers???

few more dead snipers won't make any difference

bhutocracy

of course not, im only talking about delaying the inevitable.. you know, getting a punch in before being crushed, I said in another thread a while ago that I expect the war to take about a month, but allowed up to 6 months with guerilla style tactics or chemical weapons delaying a coalition victory.
I'm saying you'd think there would be some sneaky resistance, the progress into bagdad has been too easy.

Serge_Oprano

I don't think so...."guerillas" have to concider own people hunting them down,
old scores are a bitch...

ADL Colin

Yes, it was. By historical standards only a few thousand US casualties would have been excellent. So what are we witnessing instead? "Unprecedented" by historical standards.

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ADL Colin

The US army made a prediction about casualties for THIS conflict?

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ADL Colin

What I remember are some predictions of a year-long conflict. What I remember are predictions of bloody urban conflict. What I remember is someone saying "Only Americans think the US has a great military. Brainwashed Americans". What I remember is raving about the "elite" Republican Guard.

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bhutocracy

no, using their urban warfare loss percentage and applying it to troops give you that figure. It doesn't take into account saddam's ethnic base is only 30%, the toll of psychological warfare etc. But still.. I agree with you on the historically unprecedented nature of the victory.

ADL Colin

Cool, let's just agree then! Australia sent their bravest too!

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bhutocracy

I warned of bloody urban conflict, yes, that wasn't a new idea or anything - the US army was warning of it themselves. I fully expected to see 1000-2000 coalition troops die. I don't think anyone could have predicted the ease at which bagdad has been taken.
And yes I cautioned against the glee with which people were celebrating the surrenders (which were at the time at about 1%) saying the republican guard would put up more of a fight, and there was increased resistance as they started getting towards the urban centres and people were suprised.

I stand by my statements, you'll find my comments are never unreasonable. Annoyingly neutral yes, which is why people probably lump my opinions in with anyone who disagree 100% on the war.

bhutocracy

I was never really disagreeing with you

LiveDose

It's a good day.

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ADL Colin

I didn't mean YOUR predictions. That's a random collection of comments from the past few months. I couldn't even put names with them.

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bhutocracy

it was only the "you were among them" bit