Robbie

Here we go again. Google is just at your fingertips. I remember it because I watch the news all the time and read.

I'll just pick the New York Times. Super liberal. Hate Assange now because of Trump.

But here's a few articles from the past:

The Danger of Suppressing the Leaks - The New York Times.

Soldier?s Lawyers Rest Case With a Defense of WikiLeaks? Journalistic Role - The New York Times.

WikiLeaks and the Global Future of Free Speech - The New York Times.

Letters: The Boy Who Kicked the Hornet?s Nest - The New York Times.

I can go on and on and on just on The New York Times alone.
But that was all before he had the audacity to reveal the dirty tricks of the Clinton Campaign in taking out Bernie Sanders.

You know I like you Rochard. But you have REALLY got to start using Google before making all these statements.

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Robbie

1. I don't think anyone is a "follower" of Julian Assange like he was Jesus or something.
I believe that people can see journalistic whistle blowing and make up their own minds on the material that they are reading without being some kind of "follower"

2. I'm not familiar with Clinton cartoons on wikileaks. I've never even been to the page. Just watched the reports on them on the various news channels. So I can't comment on any derogatory cartoons.

I can only tell you the FACTS that Assange exposed the Bush administration. Sean Hannity called him evil and vile and a criminal. The liberal press called him a "hero" (including Maher).

THEN he exposed the Clinton campaign.
Hannity IMMEDIATELY started praising him and the liberal press started attacking him.

You tell me...do ANY of these politicians, news entertainers, newspapers, and Hollywood stars have ANY real foundations or beliefs?

I don't think they do. It's all "team sports" to them.
If it's Republican, then Democrats HATE it.
If it's Democrat, then Republicans HATE it.

I believe that the country would be a better place if we could all take each issue and judge it on it's own merit.

If a media outlet or politician or Hollywood star thought that Assange was a hero for shining a light on political wrongdoing in the past...that concept of revealing the truth should not change when he does it again.

You have already said you NEVER liked that concept.
Fair enough.
I'm simply pointing out that the politicians, the media, the celebrities are all showing their total and complete hypocrisy and shallowness over everything to do with President Trump.
And they did the exact same thing with President Obama. And Bush. And Pres. Clinton. And Reagan.
And probably every other President since the end of WW2

It's getting to a point now that it's getting so bad that it's dividing the entire nation. That isn't a good thing.

We need to be able to debate subjects intelligently.
And how can we if nobody is really sure what is "good" anymore?

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galleryseek

You clearly haven't a single clue about economics.

Absent of the state, people would still have demands. Such demands would include things like:

• The internet
• Mobile communication
• Protection
• Safety in their food
• 1 million, other demands that could be listed..

And econ101: Where there's a demand, there WILL BE A SUPPLY.

When people are able to freely compete with each other, people will do whatever it takes to produce a supply, because of the reward.

People who demand things, buddy, are willing to pay for them.

This is the market.

The only thing the state does is hinder the market and make competition more difficult to exist in the form of taxation, regulations and other such laws like prohibition.

I argue that in the absence of the state, technology and all of the things you like to attribute to the government, would likely be outdated by now and we'd be much further advanced.

Brian8377

Obama did not let do that just to get the Wiki guy. Probably had nothing to do with that. They would have wanted him to turn himself in first and a tweet or however he said it is not going to be enough for a deal like that anyway LOL

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Bladewire

You can hypothesize all you like but in reality the government created the internet via their DARPA initiative.

As I said, if it wasn't for the government you wouldn't be making money online. The facts are the facts. You can't argue facts.

Humans are mammals. Mammals are social creatures. All mammals create societies in nature. Hierarchy exists in every mammalian society. Anarchy is a myth perpetrated by Putin/Assange/Snowden fanboys.

You will not find one anarchist without a boner for Putin

klinton

good old Rochard, continue, go on please

klinton

could be, could be....

klinton

how is he pro Russia or pro China and antiamerican ? he is just pro his agenda which - in his opinion - is common sense and solution for the current world problems.
I dont see here any anti-american antipathies or likes for chinese or russians.
whoever says something bad about US is automatically proRussia, whoever says something bad about Israel is automatically pro- Arab, blabla...its bullshit of short sighted people

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

The Russians didn't hack the DNC. Podesta clicked on a damn fishing link. It was leaked to wikileaks

Barry-xlovecam

Assange would be tried for espionage.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
10 years fed time

That considered, a §2257 beef could get you 5 years -- that's pretty fucked up in severity ...

galleryseek

https://mises.org/library/government...de-it-glorious

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

And the government makes roads too...If we didn't have a government no one would be able to make roads! It's so difficult

Bladewire

Yep, like I said the government's DARPA program created the internet.

You're not too smart to deny facts

Educate yourself

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

And the same thing with roads man! No one would have figured it out!

Robbie

As I understand it...the govt. paid a private company to make the mainframes of a group of computers interact with each other.
Real, real primitive stuff that is nothing compared to today's technology.

But yeah, the govt. (and probably really the military) reach out for new technology all the time.
They do not create it though.

That is brought about by individuals outside of govt.

And of course the internet we see today and how it works in every way (other than that very first primitive networking between 4 computer main frames) is ALL private companies doing things as the market demands it.

In one way...yes, you can say that MAYBE private industry might have never found a need to have computers communicate (I somehow find that a bit of a stretch), so the Govt. handing out our taxpayer money to a private company was the beginning.

But that would kind of be like giving credit to the first caveman who invented the wheel, and then comparing it to a modern technical marvel of tires like a Pirelli P Zero.

Yeah, the caveman got the wheels turning (pun intended)...but where the market took it from there and advanced it, is what is the most impressive.

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Bladewire

Right. The government created the internet. Facts aren't negotiable.

Anarchy is a myth with mammals, we instinctially build societies with hierarchies, in humans that creates monarchies and governments. Another fact.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

Jesus christ man we get it! You love the government. Most rational people despise the government, it's a fucking joke!

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

The internet would be 100 times better if invented by private companies from the start

Robbie

No, the govt. paid a private company to make 4 computer mainframes communicate. And that company creating that technology led to other companies creating more new technology that you use today on what we call the internet. That IS fact.
And I agree with you about the need for govt.
But I have eyes to see and it's plain to me that govt has gotten too big and too obtrusive. It needs to be dialed back a bit.

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JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

The government is needed because of all the low IQ people walking around. It is out of control at the moment tho

Robbie

I don't agree with that first part.
Govt. is needed for society to advance. But history shows that it can also make us go backwards (the dark ages) when it gets too controlling of our lives.

I can't say that I agree with you on being an anarchist.
But I believe in as much personal freedom and as little govt involvement as possible for a free society to function

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Bladewire

I took the time to embed a history channel youtube video about the creation & evolution of the internet. Facts aren't negotiable. The government created the internet, even Republicans agree.

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How the fuck does government make society advance?

Everything the government touches turns to shit...the roads, schools, airports, DMV, etc. Everything is outdated with big lines and morons running it. Terrible

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

No, they didn't

The government is not an entity...it is made up of individuals

Robbie

@bladewire:
Ok, so you deny that a private company was paid to make 4 computer mainframes communicate...and that is the beginning technology that led to what we now call the internet.

You just flat out deny it?
Even with Google right there at your fingertips?

Okay. Strange, but I don't have any reason or desire to argue with you about this.
Go right ahead and believe as you will. It's of little consequence to either of us and not worth getting upset with each other.

Robbie

I wasn't referring to today's govt specifically. But rather the concept of organization that govt is supposed to be. Not the current monstrosity it has become.

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Bladewire

The government created the internet. DARPA , for the military and to protect America's communication during times of war.

Why does this fact bother you? I don't get it.

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It'll never work...

Robbie

You are twisting words.
I told you in my original remark that yes ..the govt. (military) paid a private company to makensure those 4 computers communicate and that technology would eventually advance on the market to the internet we have now.

So why does that bother you?

The govt doesn't make any of its own stuff. It contracts out to companies to build things for it.

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JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

Bladewire is propagandized to believe government is good, is god and does everything!

Robbie

BladeWire, since you refuse to simply google it for yourself...let me quote the FACTS to you:
"The US Department of Defense awarded contracts as early as the 1960s for packet network systems, including the development of the ARPANET. The first message was sent over the ARPANET from computer science Professor Leonard Kleinrock's laboratory at University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) to the second network node at Stanford Research Institute "

Do you get it now? They awarded CONTRACTS to private individuals.

Govt. money (taxpayer money) was used to pay for the work.

That is all I was saying.

And the subsequent technology's and software and hardware was ALL developed by private companies to respond to the growing market in the aftermath of that original work that the military paid for.

Why the heck are you so pro-miliary, pro-govt. and anti-individual in this discussion.

Wow. I just can't understand why people are so quick to treat a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington D.C. who live on the taxpayers dime with such awe and glory...while treating the true people who had the brains and did the work with such disdain.

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Bladewire

Business and government have always worked hand in hand not sure why the government creating the internet makes your big balls itch but whatever.

Facts aren't negotiable.

The government created the internet, then it was released for commercialism by a Democratic administration

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

Mind control and propaganda is real, that's why he believes what he believes

Robbie

One more thing Bladewire...read this page about Arpanet:
The Invention of the Internet - Inventions - HISTORY.com

You will notice that the people who did the work and actually CREATED it are from MIT.

You probably won't bother so I'll copy/paste it here:

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In 1962, a scientist from M.I.T. and ARPA named J.C.R. Licklider proposed a solution to this problem: a ?galactic network? of computers that could talk to one another. Such a network would enable government leaders to communicate even if the Soviets destroyed the telephone system.

In 1965, another M.I.T. scientist developed a way of sending information from one computer to another that he called ?packet switching.? Packet switching breaks data down into blocks, or packets, before sending it to its destination. That way, each packet can take its own route from place to place. Without packet switching, the government?s computer network?now known as the ARPAnet?would have been just as vulnerable to enemy attacks as the phone system.

In 1969, ARPAnet delivered its first message: a ?node-to-node? communication from one computer to another. (The first computer was located in a research lab at UCLA and the second was at Stanford; each one was the size of a small house.) The message??LOGIN??was short and simple, but it crashed the fledgling ARPA network anyway: The Stanford computer only received the note?s first two letters.

By the end of 1969, just four computers were connected to the ARPAnet, but the network grew steadily during the 1970s. In 1971, it added the University of Hawaii?s ALOHAnet, and two years later it added networks at London?s University College and the Royal Radar Establishment in Norway. As packet-switched computer networks multiplied, however, it became more difficult for them to integrate into a single worldwide ?Internet.?

By the end of the 1970s, a computer scientist named Vinton Cerf had begun to solve this problem by developing a way for all of the computers on all of the world?s mini-networks to communicate with one another. He called his invention ?Transmission Control Protocol,? or TCP. (Later, he added an additional protocol, known as ?Internet Protocol.? The acronym we use to refer to these today is TCP/IP.) One writer describes Cerf?s protocol as ?the ?handshake? that introduces distant and different computers to each other in a virtual space.?

THE WORLD WIDE WEB
Cerf?s protocol transformed the Internet into a worldwide network. Throughout the 1980s, researchers and scientists used it to send files and data from one computer to another. However, in 1991 the Internet changed again. That year, a computer programmer in Switzerland named Tim Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web: an Internet that was not simply a way to send files from one place to another but was itself a ?web? of information that anyone on the Internet could retrieve. Berners-Lee created the Internet that we know today.

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Robbie

Let me just re-quote what I just quoted for you:

"That year, a computer programmer in Switzerland named Tim Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web: an Internet that was not simply a way to send files from one place to another but was itself a “web” of information that anyone on the Internet could retrieve. Berners-Lee created the Internet that we know today."

Yeah, you're right "facts aren't negotiable".

Unless the U.S. govt. is a Swiss computer programmer named Tim Berners-Lee

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Bladewire

DARPA = beginning of American internet 1958. Are you blind? You don't know your history and keep deflecting off topic.

Assange belongs in jail

Robbie

Am I blind?
Read the article for yourself.
I quoted it for you as well.

I'm outta here. Gonna go catch a late movie. Talk to ya later.

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JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE

You're the one deflecting off topic

Why do you hate Assange so much?

Bladewire

I like sparring with you. Have fun. Cheers!

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Like Manning's 35 years?

AtlantisCash

Strange World we lived inn, there are still people that can put trust on politicians and even advocate them pointless, Mr. Julian is a so called coward and a liar but, the one WHO make these claims is a board troll WHO probabely have done nothing near what he did.

Bladewire

Why do you worship Assange?

Give us your main email address & user/pass in the spirit of transparency please. If you don't give it to us we'll steal it. We'll go through all your emails and pick and choose what the public will be interested in. We'll do the same with your taxes, credit card data, credit report etc.

Post all of your data for us please, if you don't we'll do it for you.

That's Assange & co. in a nutshell, with the addition of him having to constantly be in the spotlight garnering constant attention.

You are a complete fool. Right for your freedom in Turkey instead of hating America and defending a lying coward. Your "president" Erdoğan is destroying your country!

AtlantisCash

can't you realize? You guys trying to educate statist guy WHO thing can't live without existance of his nanny? he is probabely unaware of meaning of the words (anarchy/anarchism).

if he knew that free market more refers to free market capitalism/libertarian, he wouldn't talk with such a big mouth, because when we mention anarchism it's whole lot of a differant philosophy that mostly seemed under the umbrella of marxist/communist ideology.

for instans: while anarchism has words about morals and refuse private propperty, Libertarian philosophy doesn't say anything regarding personal life, because eeither be the most religious person or the freak hippi one is up to you unless you harm others, while private property is your negative liberty.

i know you know this all, but sadly many brainwashed idiots have been thaught otherwise andd we see many of them even here, so he is not the only one.

Bladewire

Assange is a media whore lying coward, that's why he's held up in the Ecuadorian embassy for over 4 years. His ego won't allow him to be an anonymous nobody, that will be his undoing in the end

AtlantisCash

No i don't, Why do you worship govd?




asking transparency about the system that relies on your taxs and datas which belong to an ordinary citizen are two differant thing, if i was operating a government, probabely all the official documants would be accessible to public under the read only foulders via online online servers.





why would i hate America? i love American culture and a good friend is an American, most of the philosophical figures including some of the founding fathers well respected people WHO their ideas helpt improving my ideological view point.

and how did you know that i didn't defend it on here?

it is the topic you made related to leaked mails, i didn't know it was something country spesiphic, you made nonsense arguements here and many people and i were saying the otherwise though you're a thickheaded person can't make solid arguements other than what you saw on tv but actually cluless about terms you used.





You're maybe right on this one, but only this one and i m happy for American citizens that, their the least smarter ones is way clever than some of my uneducated compatriots

rowan

Internet Relay Chat (IRC) was invented a year before the World Wide Web. Wrap your mind around that!

Jigster715

Thats for fucking sure.

klinton

lol, just lol....
you really dont seem to get it...are you for real or trolling ?

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Wish the USA tracked them.

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Bladewire

I don't hate Assange

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