News lol - The BBC is Not Playing By The Rules - 'Amateur hour at the White House'...

[EddyTheDog]

"It's working out very nicely," Mr Trump said in a brief response to a question on Saturday afternoon. "You see it in the airports, you see it all over. It's working out very nicely, and we are going to have a very, very strict ban, and we are going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years."

Trump's executive order: Amateur hour at the White House? - BBC News

[Bladewire]

He cant even admit when he fucks up, or thinks doing something sloppy = working out nicely .

[EddyTheDog]

He can't keep saying this shit while we watch the chaos live on TV...

Not just in the US but around the world he is being condemned - Great first week!....

[beerptrol]

He lives in his own little bubble

Mr Trump's Friday afternoon executive order reportedly was crafted without consulting legal aides and enacted over the objection of homeland security officials, who balked at including permanent US residents in the ban.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

So we should let in low IQ people who hate this country?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

He lives in his own little bubble

Mr Trump's Friday afternoon executive order reportedly was crafted without consulting legal aides and enacted over the objection of homeland security officials, who balked at including permanent US residents in the ban.

Yep and he fired the top two National Security Council officials and installed Steve Bannon (right wing Brietbart news owner) to the top spot.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

So we should let in low IQ people who hate this country?

why not, we tolerate low IQ, hateful people like you

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

So we should let in low IQ people who hate this country?

How many low IQ people that hate your country have you let in? - How many refugees have committed terrorist attacks in the US?..

[onwebcam]

Donald Trump didn’t come up with the list of Muslim countries he wants to ban. Obama did.
https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...ion#.2133ZXQq4

[Bladewire]

^^ redhat says Trump is the victim

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

How many low IQ people that hate your country have you let in? - How many refugees have committed terrorist attacks in the US?..

I don't want any people from these countries. Let them re-locate over in the middle East

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

^^ redhat says Trump is the victim

State Department Press Release
Jan. 21, 2015

The United States today began implementing changes under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act). U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) welcomes more than a million passengers arriving to the United States every day and is committed to facilitating legitimate travel while maintaining the highest standards of security and border protection. Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP):


Nationals of VWP countries who have traveled to or been present in Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited exceptions for travel for diplomatic or military purposes in the service of a VWP country).
Nationals of VWP countries who are also nationals of Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria.

These individuals will still be able to apply for a visa using the regular immigration process at our embassies or consulates. For those who need a U.S. visa for urgent business, medical, or humanitarian travel to the United States, U.S. embassies and consulates stand ready to process applications on an expedited basis.

Beginning January 21, 2016, travelers who currently have valid Electronic System for Travel Authorizations (ESTAs) and who have previously indicated holding dual nationality with one of the four countries listed above on their ESTA applications will have their current ESTAs revoked.

Under the new law, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive these restrictions if he determines that such a waiver is in the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States. Such waivers will be granted only on a case-by-case basis. As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a waiver include:


Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria on behalf of international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national governments on official duty;
Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria on behalf of a humanitarian NGO on official duty;
Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria as a journalist for reporting purposes;
Individuals who traveled to Iran for legitimate business-related purposes following the conclusion of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (July 14, 2015); and
Individuals who have traveled to Iraq for legitimate business-related purposes.

Again, whether ESTA applicants will receive a waiver will be determined on a case-by-case basis, consistent with the terms of the law. In addition, we will continue to explore whether and how the waivers can be used for dual nationals of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Sudan.
Any traveler who receives notification that they are no longer eligible to travel under the VWP are still eligible to travel to the United States with a valid nonimmigrant visa issued by a U.S. embassy or consulate. Such travelers will be required to appear for an interview and obtain a visa in their passports at a U.S. embassy or consulate before traveling to the United States.

The new law does not ban travel to the United States, or admission into the United States, and the great majority of VWP travelers will not be affected by the legislation.

An updated ESTA application with additional questions is scheduled to be released in late February 2016 to address exceptions for diplomatic- and military-related travel provided for in the Act.

Secretary of State John Kerry

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/01/21/...waiver-program

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Donald Trump didn?t come up with the list of Muslim countries he wants to ban. Obama did.
https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...ion#.2133ZXQq4

Trump dindos nuttins! Blame the black man!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The BBC is Not Playing By The Rules

Uhm... newsflash... With this article the BBC is playing exactly by the rules they have to follow - establishment controlled anti Trump, anti Brexit, anti people's network.

BBC, the disgusting elite pedo infested propaganda branch of the establishment

[LetterTwenty7]

Better Be Careful

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

So we should let in low IQ people who hate this country?

Low IQ JohnnBoi ?

On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien.
I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years - working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It?s deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home - to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice.
I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow polices of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation.

Sir Mo Farah.

[bronco67]

I can't believe that human piece of garbage Steve Bannon is in charge of my national security...or has anything to do with national security.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

He can't keep saying this shit while we watch the chaos live on TV..

What chaos? Snowflake chaos? Totally irrelevant! They don't know what's good for them.

You living in London know damn well that London isn't British anymore due to lax immigration policy. It has fallen to the muslims. It might be British on paper, but the muslims have the voting power. The muslims will get their way from now moving forward. You will NEVER have anything but islamic mayors from now on.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What chaos? Snowflake chaos? Totally irrelevant! They don't know what's good for them.

You living in London know damn well that London isn't British anymore due to lax immigration policy. It has fallen to the muslims. It might be British on paper, but the muslims have the voting power. The muslims will get their way from now moving forward. You will NEVER have anything but islamic mayors from now on.

London is approx 12% muslim - Sadiq Khan was voted in because he was the best candidate - He has also proven to be a popular mayor - With everyone...

You are talking shit - Sorry.....

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Uhm... newsflash... With this article the BBC is playing exactly by the rules they have to follow - establishment controlled anti Trump, anti Brexit, anti people's network.

BBC, the disgusting elite pedo infested propaganda branch of the establishment

Actually they are are playing by the rules by representing the views of most Brits - My bad...

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Actually they are are playing by the rules by representing the views of most Brits - My bad...

Establishment ruled BBC was, of course, also anti Brexit.

Because most people were also anti Brexit... right?

O wait...

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Establishment ruled BBC was, of course, also anti Brexit.

Because most people were also anti Brexit... right?

O wait...

Do it again now and I would guarantee it would go the other way...

The BBC know it as well.....

PS. The thread isn't about Brexit...

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I don't want any people from these countries. Let them re-locate over in the middle East

You know there are many people around the US & the UK that many of us wouldn´t want living here or there. Maybe your neighbors wouldn´t want you living in the US, but we have to deal with our neighbors...

some noisy, some ignorant, some dangerous...

example :: why would you not allow a nice friendly family or man, wife, son & daughter be re located from Syria to your street. The man is a doctor & the wife is a chambermaid, working her hours to keep your next hotel room clean. Oh, and she does an amazing job...

get real & live in this world.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

He can't keep saying this shit while we watch the chaos live on TV...

Not just in the US but around the world he is being condemned - Great first week!....

eddy.. pls understand, it is working out very well, if a bunch of fucked up cunts want to cause issues, that's just a bunch of fucked up cunts starting issues..

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

So we should let in low IQ people who hate this country?

well , you are here ,,,,

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

London is approx 12% muslim

Great success

Lets see in 50 years.

Blind libtard.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Do it again now and I would guarantee it would go the other way...
.

Or not, as people saw economy did not collapse and doom and gloom never happened as was fear mongered by bremainers.

[Elli]

FYI: if you want to avoid #trump brands or voice your thoughts to their media contacts, here's a list: https://grabyourwallet.org/

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Or not, as people saw economy did not collapse and doom and gloom never happened as was fear mongered by bremainers.

You don't have any of these problems in Slovakia? You have a perfect government there?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Do it again now and I would guarantee it would go the other way...

yea that's the way voting works if the loudest screaming crybaby minority doesnt like the result, do it over... i think you miss the point of a democracy

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Elli

FYI: if you want to avoid #trump brands or voice your thoughts to their media contacts, here's a list: https://grabyourwallet.org/

ups - to be honest i expected the start of the civil war in 2 or 3 months but that is a very interssting idea, because BUYERS are counted in individuals and not in election man.

greetings
thommy

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Elli

FYI: if you want to avoid #trump brands or voice your thoughts to their media contacts, here's a list: https://grabyourwallet.org/

why would we, unless you're living in a primitive naive little world...

FYI the libster cucks love your latest MSM brainwashed anti Trump posts, because they are mostly basement dwelling nerds who shower once a week who look up to anyone who has a pussy.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by nico-t

yea that's the way voting works if the loudest screaming crybaby minority doesnt like the result, do it over... i think you miss the point of a democracy

I didn't ask for it to be done again - I said if it was done again - Can you read?..

[thommy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

yea that's the way voting works if the loudest screaming crybaby minority doesnt like the result, do it over... i think you miss the point of a democracy

not sure if youre statement is corrcet because democracy means that people vote in a situation where they have their own emotions under control.
not only that EVERYBODY knows meanwhile that the facts and numbers what where used in the propaganda where completely lies - they also see now how big companies are already moving their asses to the mailand and ireland.

i tell you what:
when i heard about the brexit votum i was really exited and kind of happy. not because i thought it it good for england - it was because i think that the EU parlament really needs a hard kick in their asses to wake up and make politics for people and not having some fun.

exactly that wake up call-mentality you see at the moment all over europe - NOT because people really like that nacionalism it is because the want to set a sign and show the politicians that they can vote VERY different if they do not get heard.

the bad point on such a reaction is, that it destroy in a wink also the good things what where growing slowly in centuries.
for me that looks like the pettish child which hammeres a nail into his own leg because his mother does not buy him the newest playstation.

greetings
thommy

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

yea that's the way voting works if the loudest screaming crybaby minority doesnt like the result, do it over...

Why are you lying?

FACT: Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes

FACT: Trump supporters are the minority.

You still don't understand American politics and didn't even know Trump supporters are the minority, or you're knowingly supporting Trump with what you know are lies. Either way you make yourself look bad

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

why would we, unless you're living in a primitive naive little world...

FYI the libster cucks love your latest MSM brainwashed anti Trump posts, because they are mostly basement dwelling nerds who shower once a week who look up to anyone who has a pussy.

You are Dutch and live in the Netherlands.

You are obsessed with American politics and always getting facts wrong, or purposely lying, in your support of Trump.

Now you put down yet another Canadian, after putting down countless Americans. You really do hate westerners.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why are you lying?

FACT: Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes

FACT: Trump supporters are the minority.

You still don't understand American politics and didn't even know Trump supporters are the minority, or you're knowingly supporting Trump with what you know are lies. Either way you make yourself look bad

We were talking about Brexit, genius.

Try again

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are Dutch and live in the Netherlands.

You are obsessed with American politics and always getting facts wrong, or purposely lying, in your support of Trump.

Now you put down yet another Canadian, after putting down countless Americans. You really do hate westerners.

I love you like a mentally handicapped brother

[Elli]

Originally Posted by nico-t

why would we, unless you're living in a primitive naive little world...

FYI the libster cucks love your latest MSM brainwashed anti Trump posts, because they are mostly basement dwelling nerds who shower once a week who look up to anyone who has a pussy.

When a person resorts to calling names, they are indicating they have no valid logic left to support their argument, only emotion.

Come at me with facts. Prove our arguments wrong. Sticks n stones, man. We aren't in grade four anymore.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Low IQ JohnnBoi ?

On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien.
I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years - working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It’s deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home - to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice.
I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow polices of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation.

Sir Mo Farah.

He bought into the propaganda just like many others.

Sir Mo Farah: Olympic champion 'relieved' after US travel clarification - BBC Sport

[Rochard]

It is Amateur hour at the White House. A handful of people with no experience quickly signed an executive order without proper review, without any consideration to the tens of thousands of people it affected, they gave zero notice to the state department or customs, no instructions, nothing.

The best part is this is all pointless. This action doesn't even look at the countries involved with 9/11.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It is Amateur hour at the White House. A handful of people with no experience quickly signed an executive order without proper review, without any consideration to the tens of thousands of people it affected, they gave zero notice to the state department or customs, no instructions, nothing.

The best part is this is all pointless. This action doesn't even look at the countries involved with 9/11.

[Elli]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Ridiculousness

You're blaming Trump's terrible decision on Obama? Please. There is no indication that anything about Obama's policy CAUSED Trump to act as he did. Unless you are claiming that there's fine print in there that states the next POTUS had to enact a total ban? If so, please provide this fine print.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Elli

You're blaming Trump's terrible decision on Obama? Please. There is no indication that anything about Obama's policy CAUSED Trump to act as he did. Unless you are claiming that there's fine print in there that states the next POTUS had to enact a total ban? If so, please provide this fine print.

Obama did the same thing for twice as long. Which is why it eventually became law. For the most part Trump just very slightly expanded (added a few other stipulations) upon a law that has already been in place for 2 years.

If you have a pipe leaking in your house do you
A. Cut off the water and call the plumber to fix it?
B. Let the leak continue a hope it just works itself out?

All Trump is doing if stopping the problem until a fix is in place which is the same thing Obama did. Why wasn't everyone upset when he did it? Because the liberal media didn't tell you to be upset?

[Elli]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Obama did the same thing for twice as long. Which is why it eventually became law. For the most part Trump just very slightly expanded (added a few other stipulations) upon a law that has already been in place for 2 years.

If you have a pipe leaking in your house do you
A. Cut off the water and call the plumber to fix it?
B. Let the leak continue a hope it just works itself out?

All Trump is doing if stopping the problem until a fix is in place which is the same thing Obama did. Why wasn't everyone upset when he did it? Because the liberal media didn't tell you to be upset?

Once again, it was already a policy. You and I agree on that fact. WHY did Trump feel the need to expand on it in such a drastic and reckless way?

There was no leak in the house. There was a carefully controlled flow of water from a very small tap. Why would you shut off the water supply and insist the tap was broken with no evidence?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

If you have a pipe leaking in your house do you
A. Cut off the water and call the plumber to fix it?
B. Let the leak continue a hope it just works itself out?

Your analogy is completely wrong. In this case there is no leak but we've cut off all of the water.

[Rochard]

Not sure why Drumpf is doing this.... He might be blocking his next wife from entering the country.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Elli

Once again, it was already a policy. You and I agree on that fact. WHY did Trump feel the need to expand on it in such a drastic and reckless way?

There was no leak in the house. There was a carefully controlled flow of water from a very small tap. Why would you shut off the water supply and insist the tap was broken with no evidence?

Carefully controlled? Over 400,000 people overstayed their temporary visas in 1 year.

"The Homeland Security report on overstays was limited to foreigners whose permission to be in the U.S. expired during the 2015 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30. It examined admissions for business or pleasure by air or sea, which were 85% of arrivals with visitor permits that expired in fiscal 2015, but not other smaller categories such as visas for students or for temporary workers and their families. It covered only those who arrived by sea or air, not land arrivals from Canada or Mexico, which account for most temporary visitors.

The report indicates that the number of foreign visitors who overstay dwindles over time. In all, the report said that out of the 45 million arrivals who were supposed to depart in fiscal 2015, about 527,000 remained in the country after their permission to stay expired, a rate of 1.17%. Some of these overstays later departed, but 483,000 were still in the U.S. at the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30, a rate of 1.07%. More left the U.S. after that, so by Jan. 4, 2016, an estimated 416,500 were still in the country, a rate of 0.9%. The DHS report said some have likely left since then, or obtained or renewed a legal visa."

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center

[Elli]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Carefully controlled? Over 400,000 people overstayed their temporary visas in 1 year.

"The Homeland Security report on overstays was limited to foreigners whose permission to be in the U.S. expired during the 2015 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30. It examined admissions for business or pleasure by air or sea, which were 85% of arrivals with visitor permits that expired in fiscal 2015, but not other smaller categories such as visas for students or for temporary workers and their families. It covered only those who arrived by sea or air, not land arrivals from Canada or Mexico, which account for most temporary visitors.

The report indicates that the number of foreign visitors who overstay dwindles over time. In all, the report said that out of the 45 million arrivals who were supposed to depart in fiscal 2015, about 527,000 remained in the country after their permission to stay expired, a rate of 1.17%. Some of these overstays later departed, but 483,000 were still in the U.S. at the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30, a rate of 1.07%. More left the U.S. after that, so by Jan. 4, 2016, an estimated 416,500 were still in the country, a rate of 0.9%. The DHS report said some have likely left since then, or obtained or renewed a legal visa."

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center

From the report that is the basis of that study:
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...20Re port.pdf

"An overstay is a nonimmigrant who was lawfully admitted to the United States for an authorized period but stayed in the United States beyond his or her lawful admission period. "

So the report is about people entering the states for all purposes like tourist, students, etc. NOT IMMIGRANTS.

"It is important to note that the total number of FY 2015 overstays, as identified in this
report, does not equal the total number of FY 2015 overstays that currently remain in the United States. That number is likely lower. This is because foreign nationals identified as possible overstays can and do subsequently depart the United States, or have been
found to have adjusted their lawful status. For purposes of this report, these are still considered overstays."

According to this report, the suspected overstay rates for 2015 for the seven banned countries are with suspected in country overstay numbers:
Iraq -6% - 681 people
Iran - 2% - 564 people
Libya - 4.5% - 56 people
Somalia - 1.4% - 2 people
Sudan - 7.5% - 278 people
Syria - 3% - 440 people
Yemen - 6% - 219 people

total people suspected to be overstaying their visa inside the US: 2,240
Total people from ALL countries EXCEPT Mexico and Canada expected to be overstaying their visa inside the US: 210,825

So all of this is to stop .01% of people from overstaying their visas? Why was a global ban with a huge press release etc needed when continuing the screening as per Obama's policy would have done just fine?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Elli

From the report that is the basis of that study:
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...20Re port.pdf

"An overstay is a nonimmigrant who was lawfully admitted to the United States for an authorized period but stayed in the United States beyond his or her lawful admission period. "

So the report is about people entering the states for all purposes like tourist, students, etc. NOT IMMIGRANTS.

"It is important to note that the total number of FY 2015 overstays, as identified in this
report, does not equal the total number of FY 2015 overstays that currently remain in the United States. That number is likely lower. This is because foreign nationals identified as possible overstays can and do subsequently depart the United States, or have been
found to have adjusted their lawful status. For purposes of this report, these are still considered overstays."

According to this report, the suspected overstay rates for 2015 for the seven banned countries are with suspected in country overstay numbers:
Iraq -6% - 681 people
Iran - 2% - 564 people
Libya - 4.5% - 56 people
Somalia - 1.4% - 2 people
Sudan - 7.5% - 278 people
Syria - 3% - 440 people
Yemen - 6% - 219 people

total people suspected to be overstaying their visa inside the US: 2,240
Total people from ALL countries EXCEPT Mexico and Canada expected to be overstaying their visa inside the US: 210,825

So all of this is to stop .01% of people from overstaying their visas? Why was a global ban with a huge press release etc needed when continuing the screening as per Obama's policy would have done just fine?

The ban is on "temporary stays", not being screened.... Everyone excluded is welcome to go through proper channels... And again this very law used in this exact way has been in place since Jan 21st 2016. Why weren't you mad last year?

Read this paragraph again

""The Homeland Security report on overstays was limited to foreigners whose permission to be in the U.S. expired during the 2015 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30. It examined admissions for business or pleasure by air or sea, which were 85% of arrivals with visitor permits that expired in fiscal 2015, but not other smaller categories such as visas for students or for temporary workers and their families. It covered only those who arrived by sea or air, not land arrivals from Canada or Mexico, which account for most temporary visitors." <<the numbers are very likely much higher since they didn't count people from those countries who may have entered via Mexico and Canada.


"total people suspected to be overstaying their visa inside the US: 2,240"

WOW so we have 2,240 potential terrorists in one year wandering around? That we know about? How many people did it take for 9/11?