Don't trust the CBO, they are fake news. Here's the REAL NUMBERS on Trumpcare from the WH itself! - GoFuckYourself.com

TCLGirls · 03-13-2017, 07:40 PM

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The White House's own internal analysis of the GOP plan to repeal and replace Obamacare show even steeper coverage losses than the projections by the Congressional Budget Office, according to a document viewed by POLITICO on Monday.

The executive branch analysis forecast that 26 million people would lose coverage over the next decade, versus the 24 million CBO estimate ? a finding that undermines White House efforts to discredit the forecasts from the nonpartisan CBO.

The analysis found that under the American Health Care Act the coverage losses would include 17 million for Medicaid, six million in the individual market and three million in employer-based plans.

A total of 54 million individuals would be uninsured in 2026 under the GOP plan, according to the White House analysis. That?s nearly double the number projected under current law.

read: White House analysis of Obamacare repeal sees even deeper insurance losses than CBO - POLITICO

onwebcam · 03-13-2017, 07:45 PM

Trump doesn't like the plan either. He backs Rand Paul's plan.

TCLGirls · 03-13-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Trump doesn't like the plan either. He backs Rand Paul's plan.

Then why did he say he likes the plan that Paul Ryan announced?

C H R I S · 03-13-2017, 07:47 PM

Trumpcareless

onwebcam · 03-13-2017, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Then why did he say he likes the plan that Paul Ryan announced?

You may be right he is trying to make Paul flip I see. That won't happen. They won't get this to pass so it's really silly to even discuss. They need every Republican on board and there's several like paul who won't budge. If Paul stands his ground he will position himself nicely for 2020.

Joshua G · 03-13-2017, 07:58 PM

does OP care that this so called "internal report" cites no sources? does the OP care that politico is a partisan rag owned by corporate liberal media?

fake news, dumb lib.

ruff · 03-13-2017, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Then why did he say he likes the plan that Paul Ryan announced?

tRump just lies about it then looks at us like we're the dumb-asses.

ruff · 03-13-2017, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

does OP care that this so called "internal report" cites no sources? does the OP care that politico is a partisan rag owned by corporate liberal media?

fake news, dumb lib.

You are such a well informed neocon stud! I bet you get laid every time you walk that little toy poodle of yours. I'm going to start calling you Breitbart Bobbi from now on. You've earned it.

Bladewire · 03-13-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

read: White House analysis of Obamacare repeal sees even deeper insurance losses than CBO - POLITICO

Joshua G · 03-13-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

You are such a well informed neocon stud! I bet you get laid every time you walk that little toy poodle of yours. I'm going to start calling you Breitbart Bobbi from now on. You've earned it.

does ruff care that the internal report has no sources? does ruff care that politico is liberal fake news bullshit? no.

dumb libs always change the subject when the facts make them look dumb.

Rochard · 03-13-2017, 08:48 PM

Politicians tell us what we want to hear, but rarely live up to their promises.

It's very easy to say we can provide better care for more people at a lower cost, but it's impossible to do. If it was so damn easy, why haven't we already done it?

The problem here is everyone needs to be on board, or the costs are prohibitive. People are complaining about the costs now, but just imagine what happens when thirty million people no longer have healthcare - the costs will just go up for everyone else and will go up dramatically. Then the people who do not have healthcare end up in the ER for basic healthcare because they don't have insurance and cannot afford to see a doctor, which just drives up the costs further.

Obamacare works. Depending on your income, you get help from the government. Are there problems with Obamacare? Yes, but are they problems with Obamacare, problems with healthcare overall, or just problems that cannot be solved. I grew up in a very small rural town in NJ (almost in PA), and we had to drive sixty miles to see my doctor when I was a kid. I'm sorry, but town with less than 1k in population cannot support a doctor's office no less a specialist. The changes the GOP is bringing to table won't change or fix these problems.

The GOP healthcare plan seems to entirely based on removing the requirement to have healthcare, removing all government subsidies, and basing costs on age. Basing costs on age sounds great - a twenty year old kid cannot afford healthacre - but the downside is older people on limited budgets will not be able to afford healthcare when they need them most.

We need to fix what is broken, not replace it. When your brakes and transmission fail and you need new tires, you don't bring your car to the junk yard and buy a new one. You take it to the mechanic and have it fixed.

But whatever. The GOP has made promises about healthcare for years, and now they need to live up to it. They need to keep their promises. Right now the way it stands a lot less people will have healthcare, and the costs will go up ten times over. This will never work fro the American public.

bronco67 · 03-13-2017, 08:48 PM

Republicans really need this thing to get run through both chambers so they can finally have a reason to repeal Obamacare. But then they have to worry about being primaried in 08 because most of their constituents will lose their healthcare -- but they won't worry about that while now, while they enjoy that sweet nut they just busted.

Let's get something straight. Republicans do not care one fucking shit about giving anyone health coverage. That's completely obvious based on the details of their bill. Only Republicans could claim to help the poor by giving tax breaks to rich people.

And to hear Paul Ryan and Donald Trump talk about this load of horseshit like it's the second coming of Christ -- they're both so full of shit I can smell it through my TV screen.

Bladewire · 03-13-2017, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

And to hear Paul Ryan and Donald Trump talk about this load of horseshit like it's the second coming of Christ -- they're both so full of shit I can smell it through my TV screen.

Yeah the new excuse of "obamacare is imploading" "we don't have time for people to read the bill this is an emergency!" such bullshit. Its DOA already they're starting to get slaughtered in right wing media now too

crockett · 03-13-2017, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You may be right he is trying to make Paul flip I see. That won't happen. They won't get this to pass so it's really silly to even discuss. They need every Republican on board and there's several like paul who won't budge. If Paul stands his ground he will position himself nicely for 2020.

Rand Paul is no different than any of the other Republicans. At one point I thought he was at least reasonable, but he's shown himself to be just another pro team card carrying Republican..

Now as for your 2020 comment..If by some miracle Trump isn't impeached before his term is up, the GOP will now have Republicans running again him, they will back him. There is no chance Republicans will back another Republican in 2020 if Trump manages to keep himself in office..

onwebcam · 03-13-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Rand Paul is no different than any of the other Republicans. At one point I thought he was at least reasonable, but he's shown himself to be just another pro team card carrying Republican..

Now as for your 2020 comment..If by some miracle Trump isn't impeached before his term is up, the GOP will now have Republicans running again him, they will back him. There is no chance Republicans will back another Republican in 2020 if Trump manages to keep himself in office..

I think Trump is shooting himself in the foot by getting behind this and it will hurt him come re-election. It's not going to pass... Unless, they can get a few democrats who are heavily funded by the insurance co's to jump sides. Either way this bill is just as disastrous as Obamacare and if it just so happens to slip through it will be Trumps undoing in 2020. The democrats don't have anyone even remotely appealing to put up so someone like Paul will come shinning through... All he will have to do is get up there and say "I told you so." Rand is just "playing" party politics to stay in the funding right now. He's more like his dad than he lets out and the establishment knows this. That's why they poopoo on him at every turn. They know his plan is better but 1. they don;t want to give him the spotlight and 2. the insurance companies don't like it. If the Dems were smart they would get behind Paul's plan just to sabotage the GOP's plan and the GOP themselves..

Paul Markham · 03-14-2017, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Politicians tell us what we want to hear, but rarely live up to their promises.

^^^^^

Paul Markham · 03-14-2017, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Let's get something straight. Republicans do not care one fucking shit about giving anyone health coverage. That's completely obvious based on the details of their bill. Only Republicans could claim to help the poor by giving tax breaks to rich people.

Both sides are paid not to care by the rich people.

Joshua G · 03-14-2017, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

I think Trump is shooting himself in the foot by getting behind this and it will hurt him come re-election. It's not going to pass... Unless, they can get a few democrats who are heavily funded by the insurance co's to jump sides. Either way this bill is just as disastrous as Obamacare and if it just so happens to slip through it will be Trumps undoing in 2020. The democrats don't have anyone even remotely appealing to put up so someone like Paul will come shinning through... All he will have to do is get up there and say "I told you so." Rand is just "playing" party politics to stay in the funding right now. He's more like his dad than he lets out and the establishment knows this. That's why they poopoo on him at every turn. They know his plan is better but 1. they don;t want to give him the spotlight and 2. the insurance companies don't like it. If the Dems were smart they would get behind Paul's plan just to sabotage the GOP's plan and the GOP themselves..

i thought the meltdown in iraq 2004 would sink bush. but dems ran such a piece of shit, a left wing romney, they lost.

trump is a showman & is not going to be derailed by rand paul, for sure. he beat every conservative they could throw at him last year.

i assume the dems will run another race & sex hustler in 2020, so it will prolly be trump 8 years.

ruff · 03-14-2017, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

does ruff care that the internal report has no sources? does ruff care that politico is liberal fake news bullshit? no.

dumb libs always change the subject when the facts make them look dumb.

I decided Breitbart Barbi was a better nickname for you. Listen BB, one thing we all know for sure is that tRump lies. He lies every time he opens his mouth. We don't need sources for that, it's not fake news, it is nothing more than the fact tRump is a pathological liar.

That is the one obstacle you tRumpster cheerleaders are always on the defensive about, the tRump lie. Can we rely on anything tRump says? Can we believe anything tRump says? No, he is a liar.

Linkster · 03-14-2017, 08:10 AM

Ya'll are missing the point that is right in front of you - the News Media is missing the whole conversation...There is no fucking way the bill that has been put together by the House committee will ever pass the Senate ...so it will not become law

The Senate leaders have already told the House Republicans to not vote for this bill - Ryan is just putting himself out there...and no one can figure out why in the world he is committing political suicide

It's pointless to debate something that isn't going to happen

Robbie · 03-14-2017, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Ya'll are missing the point that is right in front of you - the News Media is missing the whole conversation...There is no fucking way the bill that has been put together by the House committee will ever pass the Senate ...so it will not become law

The Senate leaders have already told the House Republicans to not vote for this bill - Ryan is just putting himself out there...and no one can figure out why in the world he is committing political suicide

It's pointless to debate something that isn't going to happen

Ryan is a complete tool of the Republican establishment. There was a reason that Ryan wouldn't support Trump...and it wasn't because of "pussy grabbing" private conversations.

It was because he was Romney's VP pick and a "chosen one" in the establishment of D.C. to be a future Republican Presidential nominee.

Ryan is just as big a problem in Washington D.C. as Pelosi is.

Trump is making a big mistake trying to work with Ryan...though I don't see how anything will ever get done without him since he's the House speaker.

This could be Trump making the same exact mistake Obama did in his first year...getting bogged down in this "insurance-care" (it's NOT healthcare and never was) boondoggle.

Remember? I voted for Obama in 2008 because he promised jobs and to concentrate on the economy. Instead...he wasted his first year on a highly unpopular gift to the big insurance corporations and big pharma called "ObamaCare".

Trump is in danger of falling into that same trap.

He needs to concentrate on JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.

Obama gave everybody an extra monthly bill (insurance premiums) at a time when they were losing their jobs, their homes, and their dreams.

Trump is allowing Ryan to live out HIS healthcare fantasy as well...just like Obama allowed Pelosi and Reid to live out theirs.

FUCK Paul Ryan. Trump had better keep his eye on the ball for what his voters put him in office for.
I never wanted to see ObamaCare "replaced". I want to see it GONE. And then the govt. can STOP allowing Big Pharma, Big Hospital Corp., and Big Insurance to price gouge us at 10 times the price of the rest of the world.

We shouldn't NEED insurance to go to the doctor. Or even to have a minor procedure.
It should be catastrophic insurance only.

And people who have pre-existing conditions will simply need to be on medicare so they can be taken care of. And THAT needs to be policed heavily to keep scammers out.

Stop the medical industry from ripping us off...that would lower prices back to reality that people can pay out of pocket, the small percentage (relative to the total population) who actually need help go on Medicare, and then work on an environment that allows business to GROW and people to make good money.

It's not rocket science...though the politicians and "experts" have convinced most of America that the problem is too complex for mere mortals to understand and only THEY can "solve" it (and yet it just gets worse and worse...)

RedFred · 03-14-2017, 08:40 AM

Trump lied continually about the healthcare his administration would provide.

Lie #1: "I am going to take care of everybody.?

Lie #2: "Everybody?s going to be taken care of much better than they?re taken care of now.?

Lie #3: ?I?m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid."

john1975 · 03-15-2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Rand Paul is no different than any of the other Republicans. At one point I thought he was at least reasonable, but he's shown himself to be just another pro team card carrying Republican..

Now as for your 2020 comment..If by some miracle Trump isn't impeached before his term is up, the GOP will now have Republicans running again him, they will back him. There is no chance Republicans will back another Republican in 2020 if Trump manages to keep himself in office..

Crockett and Bladewire both think their penis sizes will increase if they get their post counts to 30,000

both fake nicks....need banned asap.

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 71,119	Politicians tell us what we want to hear, but rarely live up to their promises. It's very easy to say we can provide better care for more people at a lower cost, but it's impossible to do. If it was so damn easy, why haven't we already done it? The problem here is everyone needs to be on board, or the costs are prohibitive. People are complaining about the costs now, but just imagine what happens when thirty million people no longer have healthcare - the costs will just go up for everyone else and will go up dramatically. Then the people who do not have healthcare end up in the ER for basic healthcare because they don't have insurance and cannot afford to see a doctor, which just drives up the costs further. Obamacare works. Depending on your income, you get help from the government. Are there problems with Obamacare? Yes, but are they problems with Obamacare, problems with healthcare overall, or just problems that cannot be solved. I grew up in a very small rural town in NJ (almost in PA), and we had to drive sixty miles to see my doctor when I was a kid. I'm sorry, but town with less than 1k in population cannot support a doctor's office no less a specialist. The changes the GOP is bringing to table won't change or fix these problems. The GOP healthcare plan seems to entirely based on removing the requirement to have healthcare, removing all government subsidies, and basing costs on age. Basing costs on age sounds great - a twenty year old kid cannot afford healthacre - but the downside is older people on limited budgets will not be able to afford healthcare when they need them most. We need to fix what is broken, not replace it. When your brakes and transmission fail and you need new tires, you don't bring your car to the junk yard and buy a new one. You take it to the mechanic and have it fixed. But whatever. The GOP has made promises about healthcare for years, and now they need to live up to it. They need to keep their promises. Right now the way it stands a lot less people will have healthcare, and the costs will go up ten times over. This will never work fro the American public. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	does OP care that this so called "internal report" cites no sources? does the OP care that politico is a partisan rag owned by corporate liberal media? fake news, dumb lib.

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