This Administration is a joke but not not a funny joke.

[Steve Rupe]

A day or so ago the Secretary of State announced that the U.S. would talk with North Korea with no strings attached/preconditions.

Today he did a 180 and said that North Korea would have to earn the right before the U.S. would sit down and talk with them.

[k0nr4d]

One doesn't rule out the other. Situation could have happened over the course of that one day. They might have offered, and been told to fuck themselves or something.

I could be talking to my 5 year old yesterday evening telling him he can play on the xbox for a little while today, and in the morning he might be bad and I'll tell him he has to earn the right...

[pimpmaster9000]

Why is North Korea even talking to the USA? They should just send a letter "fuck off for ever never contact us again"...

As should all countries IMO...

why negotiate with racketeers who live on the other side of the world and won't leave anybody alone and are spying the fuck out of everybody and destabilizing everything left and right?

All invaded countries should just expell USIS officials and embassies and stop communication...what's USIS gonna do? Invade everybody?

One should not negotiate with people who use violence to promote political agendas...

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why is North Korea even talking to the USA? They should just send a letter "fuck off for ever never contact us again"...

As should all countries IMO...

why negotiate with racketeers who live on the other side of the world and won't leave anybody alone and are spying the fuck out of everybody and destabilizing everything left and right?

All invaded countries should just expell USIS officials and embassies and stop communication...what's USIS gonna do? Invade everybody?

One should not negotiate with people who use violence to promote political agendas...

You are justifiably butt hurt.

I agree with a fair amount of your view points. But don't judge us until you see the end game we are playing at

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Diomed

You are justifiably butt hurt.

I agree with a fair amount of your view points. But don't judge us until you see the end game we are playing at

there is no possible end game because the world will never listen to you...you are 5% of the worlds population and it is fundamentally wrong to presume that you have any right to tell others how to live...americans project themselves in an alternate reality where they pretend their invasions "do good" but in real life it only makes things worse:

korea: ongoing global joke
vietnam: went right back to communism when the USA left
avghanistan: LOL
iraq: LOL
middle east: LOL

IRL the military industrial complex made bank, USIS fighters got paid and the US citizen footed the bill...no good was done...no problem was solved...only a slippery slope of "if we had not invaded bonobo monkeys would have raped everybody" remains...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why is North Korea even talking to the USA? They should just send a letter "fuck off for ever never contact us again"...

they can not do that because they are nearly fucked.

we both do not know how the situation would be now if they would have been treated like let´s say vietnam. not even cuba got that hard sanctions as NK got.

the western point of view is not respecting that this country wants to survive somehow and the kim family don´t want to lose power.
the western world is dealing with A LOT of countries what are in a similar situation.

in the NK issue there is still a lot of "american pride" what for some reason is not existing with vietnam.
the reason for that is that vietnam is not split in 2 countries while korea is.

the western world tried to use the same strategy what they have used i.e in germany but this will not work because of the mentality what you will find in all asian countries.
they are like ants and will just do what they got told and they are willing to die for their country and don´t ask if that is right or wrong.

in this political game what is played with NK there is a big double moral because all sanctions and actions against NK were justified with "human rights" while in other countries where there are benefits to be fetched, this right will not be discussed at all.

NK has no other option than to screw the violent spiral up until it is only to be or not to be on the table. they learned in the cold war that this last option always leads to a compromise. they are not that stupid that they don´t know what it means to push the button first - that´s why they never will do it.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Diomed

You are justifiably butt hurt.

I agree with a fair amount of your view points. But don't judge us until you see the end game we are playing at

the wrong point in that argument is the "WE".

and that is the dangerous part!

you will not want to tell me that this "we" has the same effect on every government and every president. it would be so then you would not need elections at all.

is "WE" the USA under kennedy, nixon, bush, clinton, obama or trump?
is "WE" the america under republicans or democrats ?

so IF there is such a big difference in that there can´t exist a "WE" because there is no
similarity in just those few names.

and THIS is for my opinion also the biggest problem of america because it has no identity. there is no "american race" there is no "american culture" there is no thousands of years old "american history". the "WE" is inside of a big mixed soup where you can find pepper, salt, sugar vinegar and many other ingredients.

a country with a long history and culture knows if they are sugar or salt while USA is changing that identity. with trump the poisoned mushroom of the soup is the "WE".

think about it.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

One doesn't rule out the other. Situation could have happened over the course of that one day. They might have offered, and been told to fuck themselves or something.

I could be talking to my 5 year old yesterday evening telling him he can play on the xbox for a little while today, and in the morning he might be bad and I'll tell him he has to earn the right...

Nicely explained the concept

[Steve Rupe]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

One doesn't rule out the other. Situation could have happened over the course of that one day. They might have offered, and been told to fuck themselves or something.

I could be talking to my 5 year old yesterday evening telling him he can play on the xbox for a little while today, and in the morning he might be bad and I'll tell him he has to earn the right...

You could be correct but I doubt that you are as there are not any public reports of any change in behavior on the part of NK. I suspect that there is discordination within the Administration. Which has been reported on multiple occasions.

[wehateporn]

This war has been planned for many years, just like all the others.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why is North Korea even talking to the USA? They should just send a letter "fuck off for ever never contact us again"...

As should all countries IMO...

why negotiate with racketeers who live on the other side of the world and won't leave anybody alone and are spying the fuck out of everybody and destabilizing everything left and right?

All invaded countries should just expell USIS officials and embassies and stop communication...what's USIS gonna do? Invade everybody?

One should not negotiate with people who use violence to promote political agendas...

Spoken like a true beta.

[Vendzilla]

When I visited China a few years ago, I saw a people that were friendly, hard working and was surprised many times at what I saw. The whole time I was there, I only saw one person in uniform. This was a communist country? You can point to the government but not the people. Saying we did this or that is wrong, most people in the US would rather we didn't get involved in other countries. Most people in the US would rather not send out so much money to other countries. Most are upset we paid Iran all that money or sold yellow cake uranium to Russia. Its a work in progress.

[galleryseek]

Liberals: Trump is literally Hitler

Also Liberals: I totally want the Trump administration to have control over the internet

[Steve Rupe]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

This war has been planned for many years, just like all the others.

North Korea has been planning since the truce to invade the South again so yes you are correct, but then again most military engagements do require plans and in the case of the U.S. we have on the shelve plans for virtually every scenario and they lay dormant for the most part until they are taken off the shelve, dusted off and updated as is done periodically.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why is North Korea even talking to the USA? They should just send a letter "fuck off for ever never contact us again"...

As should all countries IMO...

why negotiate with racketeers who live on the other side of the world and won't leave anybody alone and are spying the fuck out of everybody and destabilizing everything left and right?

All invaded countries should just expell USIS officials and embassies and stop communication...what's USIS gonna do? Invade everybody?

One should not negotiate with people who use violence to promote political agendas...

you say that like we want our gov in your country doing shity stuff.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you say that like we want our gov in your country doing shity stuff.

I honestly believe that americans do not want this and that most americans would rather have adequate defense at the border of their own country and thats that...but the military industrial complex is too big to fail and the #1 employer in the USA is War inc....

all contact should be severed and all US gov officials should be expelled until the USA takes a less violent approach to politics...US citizens abroad should not be included in this in any way, only gov officials...it is the fastest road to peace in my opinion...

[Steve Rupe]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I honestly believe that americans do not want this and that most americans would rather have adequate defense at the border of their own country and thats that...but the military industrial complex is too big to fail and the #1 employer in the USA is War inc....

all contact should be severed and all US gov officials should be expelled until the USA takes a less violent approach to politics...US citizens abroad should not be included in this in any way, only gov officials...it is the fastest road to peace in my opinion...

The opinion of a traumatized, brain damaged, ignorant, 3rd world person is meaningless.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe

The opinion of a traumatized, brain damaged, ignorant, 3rd world person is meaningless.

Daquan, how's crippin'? Did you regulate? Crippety cripp!

*Daquan does the c-walk and throws gang signs

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

and it is fundamentally wrong to presume that you have any right to tell others how to live

reminds me of GFYer´s and my life and business

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by Diomed

You are justifiably butt hurt.

I agree with a fair amount of your view points. But don't judge us until you see the end game we are playing at

Fellas, this was a bit of sarcasm.

But the truth is, and you don't know this.. We (the USA) already have literal "world saving technologies".

Yes we are the big bullies making everyone bend the knee, and no I am not proud of that.. I have a huge affection for foreign personalities and outlook. There are quite a few countries "doing it right".

But for all the ill our shadow government has imposed, it is that same industrial complex that might end up saving the worlds ass.

NASA is a dead stale front man. Completely irrelevant. We have technologies that will literally alter the way you perceive reality. Things that can be applied towards good.

That stealth bomber everyone thinks is so cool is a 45 year old project (just to give some perspective). We have all types of bleeding edge propulsion systems now that leave w clean footprint.

The only way we came across this shit is because of the budget we've thrown at investigating anomalous "high strangeness".

Mark my words.. Or laugh, it's ok. But in our lifetime and soon, your world view will be exchanged for a universal one. We are just one little stop off in a larger community and we are the dumb dumbs in said community.

If we didn't have this "industrial complex" black ops "need to know basis" budget and operations.. We would never be where we are now.

You think the USA is in trouble, but before anything truly awful was allowed to happen we would release the tech that we already have which could save not just ourselves, but the world.

I think China has some of this as well, maybe even Japan and Germany. But make no mistake, we are leagues ahead of them in this area precisely because of the industrial complex and the black ops defense budget.

[pimpmaster9000]

Dude you are on mushrooms...

You have invaded more countries than the Roman empire, dropped more bombs than ww2 and killed millions...over politics and not science...who gives a fuck about your projects when it comes at the cost of war you delusional fuck lol...

20trillion in debt Invaders gonna bring out some next level shit that the world has not seen LOL you are high as fuck lol...

Can't wait for everybody to have nukes and then you can do your science at home...

[Steve Rupe]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Dude you are on mushrooms...

You have invaded more countries than the Roman empire, dropped more bombs than ww2 and killed millions...over politics and not science...who gives a fuck about your projects when it comes at the cost of war you delusional fuck lol...

20trillion in debt Invaders gonna bring out some next level shit that the world has not seen LOL you are high as fuck lol...

Can't wait for everybody to have nukes and then you can do your science at home...

It is you that is delusional but that is to be expected as you have a traumatized mind, brain damage, are ignorant and from a 3rd world country. You will never see the day that you delude yourself into thinking will happen, never.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe

It is you that is delusional but that is to be expected as you have a traumatized mind, brain damage, are ignorant and from a 3rd world country. You will never see the day that you delude yourself into thinking will happen, never.

Sure it will...tech advances everywhere...does not have to be nukes...ain't shit you can do about it daquan...

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Dude you are on mushrooms...

You have invaded more countries than the Roman empire, dropped more bombs than ww2 and killed millions...over politics and not science...who gives a fuck about your projects when it comes at the cost of war you delusional fuck lol...

20trillion in debt Invaders gonna bring out some next level shit that the world has not seen LOL you are high as fuck lol...

Can't wait for everybody to have nukes and then you can do your science at home...

Your missing the point,

Yes we have done (and still do) terrible things as a country. The debt is irrelevant, but let's not focus on that just now.

Try to understand that you are absolutely right about the military industrial complex. But also try to understand with that comes a colossal (truly hard to comprehend how much money/control) defense budget for R & D and other black ops that have never seen the light of day.

Do you really think what you see is all they are doing? This has gone back how long, since what.. Eisenhower? Let's call it an even 70 years.

In that time our government has employed God knows how many people. Let's see.. How many world changing independent arms of our government do we know about.. CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, NASA etc etc etc.. and those are just the ones we know about.

If you think for a moment we are even showing a single card in the "players deck" you are mistaken. We are privy to such information and technology that you cannot possible fathom.

It's not up for debate, real things happen (efficient or not) when you throw that much money at developing defense technologies and pursuing world altering ideas. Like nuclear bombs to begin with, as a minuscule example.

You have no idea of the scope and breadth, you are only witnessing the political side. They have technologies they wouldn't let see the light of day unless every single other means for the end goal was utterly exhausted.

People think NASA is a big deal.. Nasa and rockets are as dead as can be.

Again please try to consider just how much money we are talking about on R & D alone. You really think they would go public with all of their findings and share them with everyone?

Fuck no they would keep it under their sleeves and save the shit for a rainy day.

Trust me, you haven't seen anything yet. We have world changing understandings, information, and technology at our disposal if we ever truly felt threatened.

Here is one small example:

2nd Director Of Lockheed Skunkwork’s Shocking Comments About UFO Technology – Collective Evolution

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Diomed

Fuck no they would keep it under their sleeves and save the shit for a rainy day.

ah and it didn´t rain enough yet and that´s why soldiers have to die and military strikey fail.

Trust me, you haven't seen anything yet. We have world changing understandings, information, and technology at our disposal if we ever truly felt threatened.

Here is one small example:

2nd Director Of Lockheed Skunkwork?s Shocking Comments About UFO Technology ? Collective Evolution

this must be very stupid aliens who fly to earth and only find the usa.
and sure they would give their technology only to usa because of...what?

what intension should an alien nation have for that?
why should they not give it to russia (russia is also not to oversee when they landing on earth).

no matter if there was or was no contact with aliens - it is again stupid to think that aliens would not contact the earth but the USA.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Diomed

If you think for a moment we are even showing a single card in the "players deck" you are mistaken. We are privy to such information and technology that you cannot possible fathom.

brainwashed north korean toad licker LOL

and when nobody is looking I am invisible and I can fly

oh and my country has super secret next level shit too...but it aint showing it because this is the point of investing in research so that you do not use it or show it to anybody LOL

also aliens...we have made contact with the star ship enterprise and patrick stewart is not really patrick stewart but is jean luc picard IRL!!! the enterprise X is parked in serbia next to my house!

you see serbia is playing the same card as the USA...gypsies are not really gypsies they are ROMULANS! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

dude you guys cant even healthcare...cuba and serbia are ranked with you...what makes you think you have a functioning branch of government that is not a scam?

US military = same scam as US healthcare....it is a racket...

live long and prosper kilngon!...I just hope everybody has nukes really soon to keep your empire away...so you can do your next level shit at home

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

brainwashed north korean toad licker LOL

and when nobody is looking I am invisible and I can fly

oh and my country has super secret next level shit too...but it aint showing it because this is the point of investing in research so that you do not use it or show it to anybody LOL

also aliens...we have made contact with the star ship enterprise and patrick stewart is not really patrick stewart but is jean luc picard IRL!!! the enterprise X is parked in serbia next to my house!

you see serbia is playing the same card as the USA...gypsies are not really gypsies they are ROMULANS! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

dude you guys cant even healthcare...cuba and serbia are ranked with you...what makes you think you have a functioning branch of government that is not a scam?

US military = same scam as US healthcare....it is a racket...

live long and prosper kilngon!...I just hope everybody has nukes really soon to keep your empire away...so you can do your next level shit at home

Shit like this just posted (convenient timing to my point)

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...o-program.html

Is just the tip. That's right, we will go gentle on ya mate ;)

You. Have. No. Fucking. Clue.

Here I thought you were somewhat open minded before, go believe whatever makes you sleep better at night in that little commie shithole you live in.

#MAGA

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Diomed

Shit like this just posted (convenient timing to my point)

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...o-program.html

Is just the tip. That's right, we will go gentle on ya mate ;)

You. Have. No. Fucking. Clue.

Here I thought you were somewhat open minded before, go believe whatever makes you sleep better at night in that little commie shithole you live in.

#MAGA

but that such a program exists was obvious - UK have that since 30 or 40 years and it is an official program. chinese and russians have it too - not mentioned SETI what is also around more than 30 years and except the "whow - signal" they found nothing.


do you really think that aliens would find out first with who they gonna speak?

there is no prove for that yet and all theories around that are the same as the story around Nessy.

IF there have been alien contact i am 1000% sure it would not be restricted to the US - that would not make sense at all and it could not be kept secret for such a long time.

i really do not doubt that there is life elsewhere in the universe but the chance that 2 high tech civilizations living at the same time and find each other is billions of times smaller than finding a special sandkorn on all existing beaches.

look in the sky - the most stars you see there in the night are not existing anymore.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by thommy

the wrong point in that argument is the "WE".

and that is the dangerous part!

you will not want to tell me that this "we" has the same effect on every government and every president. it would be so then you would not need elections at all.

is "WE" the USA under kennedy, nixon, bush, clinton, obama or trump?
is "WE" the america under republicans or democrats ?

so IF there is such a big difference in that there can´t exist a "WE" because there is no
similarity in just those few names.

and THIS is for my opinion also the biggest problem of america because it has no identity. there is no "american race" there is no "american culture" there is no thousands of years old "american history". the "WE" is inside of a big mixed soup where you can find pepper, salt, sugar vinegar and many other ingredients.

a country with a long history and culture knows if they are sugar or salt while USA is changing that identity. with trump the poisoned mushroom of the soup is the "WE".

think about it.

Well, since the American history is almost a hobby of mine.

The USA actually did have a very strong national and racial identity since its inception, and the dismantling of this didn't really occur until the 1960's.

The declaration of independence, the Federalist papers, these all include a great deal of very detailed information and a rigorous vision about what kind of country the US should be and what kind of people were supposed to live there. The founding fathers knew very well that only people of the same origin, same values could hold loyalty to their new country, and it was supposed to stay that way.

There are several conveniently spread misconceptions:

The US for example never was intended to be a "nation of immigrants":

In 1790, in the very first naturalization law, it was set that the future citizenship should have been reserved to "Free white persons of good character" aka the country should have been inhabited and inherited by the people of European origin.

So to answer the race question - the US race according to the constitution are the people of European origin.

Or the famous quotation from Thomas Jefferson - that "All men are created equal" - this originally meant that the US settlers had the right to pursue life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, to invoke the spirit of equality and independence from the colonial rule of the British crown. Jefferson never intended to hint at equality of abilities or outcomes to which this is quite often misused today when hardcore egalitarians try to paint an utopia.

The only sizable ethnic minority that infamously made it to the states were the Africans, this is a lasting painful issue for all the sides involved. Not only is it estimated that it actually held the development of the Southern states back and lead to a horrendous civil war that cost over 600 000 lives, it also continues to make life difficult for all sides involved by this day.

However, and this is another misconception - contrary to the popular opinion, while the concept of slavery was held as morally reprehensible, and the slaves were supposed to be freed, there was never any intent to keep them in the US. They were supposed to receive land and live freely in Africa. This is well summed up by another quote of Thomas Jefferson that stands on the wall of his memorial:

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than these people are to be free"

however in the original, Jefferson didn't stop there, the quote continues:

"Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government"

James Madison wanted the government to buy out every single slave and arrange a life for them in Africa. The American colonization society has been active with that respect - the capital of Liberia - Monrovia is actually named after James Monroe.

Abraham Lincoln - the great emancipator, had the same view, quote:

".. there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality".

Lincoln too wanted to free the slaves and arrange a life for them in Africa.

The originally intended demographic setup has been more or less upheld up until 1965, when the US population was still from 90 pct. of European origin. Once the immigration restrictions were repealed in 1965, this brought drastic demographic changes.

Today, in 2017 - within just one lifetime, or approximately 50 years - the inhabitants of US of European heritage went from 90 pct. to approximately only 60 pct. And about 40 pct. of the current population was not born in the US.

Since pretty much all the groups that came to the country have their own very strong racial and tribal identity, their interests often contradict each other, and they often push it at the expense of the remaining population of European origin, or other groups, this of course brings more tension and more conflict.

Add into it the absurd "identity politics" with all the self loathing, ethnic masochism, disrespect to the constitution and to the US heritage, and there comes the "diverse" mix we have today, different groups that often wouldn't be able to agree on whether the sun is yellow or if the night is black.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe

A day or so ago the Secretary of State announced that the U.S. would talk with North Korea with no strings attached/preconditions.

Today he did a 180 and said that North Korea would have to earn the right before the U.S. would sit down and talk with them.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Well, since the American history is almost a hobby of mine.

The USA actually did have a very strong national and racial identity since its inception, and the dismantling of this didn't really occur until the 1960's.

The declaration of independence, the Federalist papers, these all include a great deal of very detailed information and a rigorous vision about what kind of country the US should be and what kind of people were supposed to live there. The founding fathers knew very well that only people of the same origin, same values could hold loyalty to their new country, and it was supposed to stay that way.

There are several conveniently spread misconceptions:

The US for example never was intended to be a "nation of immigrants":

In 1790, in the very first naturalization law, it was set that the future citizenship should have been reserved to "Free white persons of good character" aka the country should have been inhabited and inherited by the people of European origin.

So to answer the race question - the US race according to the constitution are the people of European origin.

Or the famous quotation from Thomas Jefferson - that "All men are created equal" - this originally meant that the US settlers had the right to pursue life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, to invoke the spirit of equality and independence from the colonial rule of the British crown. Jefferson never intended to hint at equality of abilities or outcomes to which this is quite often misused today when hardcore egalitarians try to paint an utopia.

The only sizable ethnic minority that infamously made it to the states were the Africans, this is a lasting painful issue for all the sides involved. Not only is it estimated that it actually held the development of the Southern states back and lead to a horrendous civil war that cost over 600 000 lives, it also continues to make life difficult for all sides involved by this day.

However, and this is another misconception - contrary to the popular opinion, while the concept of slavery was held as morally reprehensible, and the slaves were supposed to be freed, there was never any intent to keep them in the US. They were supposed to receive land and live freely in Africa. This is well summed up by another quote of Thomas Jefferson that stands on the wall of his memorial:

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than these people are to be free"

however in the original, Jefferson didn't stop there, the quote continues:

"Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government"

James Madison wanted the government to buy out every single slave and arrange a life for them in Africa. The American colonization society has been active with that respect - the capital of Liberia - Monrovia is actually named after James Monroe.

Abraham Lincoln - the great emancipator, had the same view, quote:

".. there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality".

Lincoln too wanted to free the slaves and arrange a life for them in Africa.

The originally intended demographic setup has been more or less upheld up until 1965, when the US population was still from 90 pct. of European origin. Once the immigration restrictions were repealed in 1965, this brought drastic demographic changes.

Today, in 2017 - within just one lifetime, or approximately 50 years - the inhabitants of US of European heritage went from 90 pct. to approximately only 60 pct. And about 40 pct. of the current population was not born in the US.

Since pretty much all the groups that came to the country have their own very strong racial and tribal identity, their interests often contradict each other, and they often push it at the expense of the remaining population of European origin, or other groups, this of course brings more tension and more conflict.

Add into it the absurd "identity politics" with all the self loathing, ethnic masochism, disrespect to the constitution and to the US heritage, and there comes the "diverse" mix we have today, different groups that often wouldn't be able to agree on whether the sun is yellow or if the night is black.

sounds quite logic even when i think the statements and views of the founding fathers have to be seen in the consensus of this time when the world was not such a small ping pong ball and continents where far away.

even the bible makes sense when you read it in the consensus of the era.

but even when all that would not change in the meantime and the status quo is just a result of centuries of neglect - what is the way out?

throwing the world back into the dark eras of war and disrespect of human rights can not be the answer.

for my opinion the FIRST step is education.
i know this is easier said as done because it will not be easy or even possible to bring a balance in the worldwide education.

but let´s ask that question vise versa:

can dumbs resolve the problems what were made by dumbs?
or is there a bigger chance when at least one side is the intelligent and educated - educated and smart enough to know that they need to have a lot patience with the dumbs?

this is my biggest concern in all what happens in the moment when dumbs want to deal with dumbs and that can not lead to success. it leads to the same thing what always happens when dumbs try to force dumbs - HATE and WAR

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by thommy

sounds quite logic even when i think the statements and views of the founding fathers have to be seen in the consensus of this time when the world was not such a small ping pong ball and continents where far away.

even the bible makes sense when you read it in the consensus of the era.

but even when all that would not change in the meantime and the status quo is just a result of centuries of neglect - what is the way out?

throwing the world back into the dark eras of war and disrespect of human rights can not be the answer.

for my opinion the FIRST step is education.
i know this is easier said as done because it will not be easy or even possible to bring a balance in the worldwide education.

but let´s ask that question vise versa:

can dumbs resolve the problems what were made by dumbs?
or is there a bigger chance when at least one side is the intelligent and educated - educated and smart enough to know that they need to have a lot patience with the dumbs?

this is my biggest concern in all what happens in the moment when dumbs want to deal with dumbs and that can not lead to success. it leads to the same thing what always happens when dumbs try to force dumbs - HATE and WAR

Well, I would add that even a very smart person in the position of power can make a dumb decision, especially if he either 1) caters to some special interest groups 2) ignores important and essential information, such as history and human nature, and tries to build an utopia.

"throwing the world back into the dark eras of war and disrespect of human rights can not be the answer."

I am afraid this is exactly what will happen if people are denied the freedom of association. If they cannot live among people like themselves, if they are denied the chance to feel at home in their own homeland. Then there's just two options, flee (self segregate) or fight. The real breaking point may come once the dominant, original culture is relegated to a minority.

Note that in pretty much every multi racial or multi cultural society - people in general already practice separation themselves, churches in US for example are from 90 pct. always of one particular race. Neighborhoods change all the time as one culture moves in and another one moves out because they no longer feel comfortable. Detroit is a prime example.

Quite a famous research regarding this is "E Pluribus Unum" by Robert Putnam from Harvard. He analyzed 40 different communities all across the US, from a community in rural South Dakota that is very homogenous, all the way to the extremely diverse neighborhoods in LA.

He wanted to prove that diversity is strength as a mantra that is repeated over and over today. What he found out is exactly the opposite, the more diversity the less trust, the less community activity. the less trust in the local government, the less social life, more disconnection, more isolation and discomfort. The author was so disappointed with the results that that research was not supposed to be published.

The most diverse societies in terms of tribes, nations, religion are always the most prone to conflict, war and violence. Countries like Lebanon, former Yugoslavia, at any given time a major part of Africa, Middle East, up until recently also central America etc.

Also note that the concept of human rights and democracy is pretty much a western invention. There are cultures that are built on a completely different set of ethics and customs and prefer it that way.

Importing such very much guarantees importing parallel societies and conflict, not to mention that one is not, never has been, and never ever will be able to bring all cultures and ethnics to all produce the same outcomes (in terms of education and prosperity). Not even the Soviet Union was able to achieve that.