The trade war is making 1,300 products more expensive

[2MuchMark]

Asshole.

China-US tariffs: The products targeted by both sides

[onwebcam]

It will probably be a few years on my spacecraft launch vehicle. I'll get a helicopter to fly to my cruise ship which is the only place I'll ride my chinese made scooter. Can't be seen in the hood on one of those.

Vehicles
— Some motor vehicles with diesel engines
— Some motor vehicles with electric motors
— Some motorcycles, including mopeds
— Helicopters
— Some airplanes and other powered aircraft
— Airplane parts
— Ferry boats and cruise ships

Spacecraft and technology
— Spacecraft launch vehicles
— Communication satellites

Industrial machinery
— Nuclear reactors
— Chassis fitted with engines for some vehicles
— Hydraulic turbines
— Machines for sorting fruit or other agricultural produce
— Metal-rolling mills
— Molds for glass, rubber or plastics
— Railway track fixtures
— Electric welding apparatus

Medical devices
— Pacemakers
— X-ray generators
— UV apparatus
— Anesthetic instruments
— Optical instruments

Other
— Parts of equipment for checking semiconductor devices
— Some microscopes and telescopes
— Seismographs

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ The alt-right response

It's all about YOU isn't it asshole?! As long as YOU don't pay more fuck your grandma brothers & sisters aunt's & uncle's paying more.

If it doesn't impact you today right now it does not matter. What a complete fucking moron!

Your response is final proof you're a verified foreign troll pretending to be an American Trumpanzee. Nobody I know that's an American Trumper in real life has your lack of logic on this topic they're ALL concerned about it.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It will probably be a few years on my spacecraft launch vehicle. I'll get a helicopter to fly to my cruise ship which is the only place I'll ride my chinese made scooter. Can't be seen in the hood on one of those.

Vehicles
— Some motor vehicles with diesel engines
— Some motor vehicles with electric motors
— Some motorcycles, including mopeds

your pizza service and newspaper boy will probably need one and then he needs more money. YOU PAY IT

— Helicopters
— Some airplanes and other powered aircraft
— Airplane parts
— Ferry boats and cruise ships

good to know that you never use a plane or a fery.
but the meds you need every day are deliverd by them.
this delivery costs will go up

YOU PAY IT

Spacecraft and technology
— Spacecraft launch vehicles
— Communication satellites

also at commercial use for internet, telephone, TV and other things you might have.

Industrial machinery
— Nuclear reactors
— Chassis fitted with engines for some vehicles
— Hydraulic turbines
— Machines for sorting fruit or other agricultural produce
— Metal-rolling mills
— Molds for glass, rubber or plastics
— Railway track fixtures
— Electric welding apparatus

they have been sold a lot but now they won´t.
maybe a few of their employees do have a subscription with you and can´t afford it anymore.
who do you think pays for them when they are without job?
YOU !

Medical devices
— Pacemakers
— X-ray generators
— UV apparatus
— Anesthetic instruments
— Optical instruments

ok you are already ripped off with that - so to pay 20 or 30% more for your next medical check will not hurt you because you pay anyway 100 times too much already.

Other
— Parts of equipment for checking semiconductor devices
— Some microscopes and telescopes
— Seismographs

all is for commercial use - and all will have higher costs that YOU WILL PAY !

you are really unable to think from noon to 12 PM.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑↑ The alt-right response

It's all about YOU isn't it asshole?! As long as YOU don't pay more fuck your grandma brothers & sisters aunt's & uncle's paying more.

If it doesn't impact you today right now it does matter. What a complete fucking moron!

Your response is final proof you're a verified foreign troll pretending to be an American Trumpanzee. Nobody I know that's an American Trumper in real life has your lack of logic on this topic they're ALL concerned about it.

the point is that he does not see that he needs all that somehow directly or indirectly.
he can say he don´t need a microscope but the water supplier he gets his water from need them.

well he will not pay for a microscope (for what? he can´t see even the obvious) but will wonder why his waterbill goes up.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

your pizza service and newspaper boy will probably need one and then he needs more money. YOU PAY IT



good to know that you never use a plane or a fery.
but the meds you need every day are deliverd by them.
this delivery costs will go up

YOU PAY IT



also at commercial use for internet, telephone, TV and other things you might have.




they have been sold a lot but now they won´t.
maybe a few of their employees do have a subscription with you and can´t afford it anymore.
who do you think pays for them when they are without job?
YOU !



ok you are already ripped off with that - so to pay 20 or 30% more for your next medical check will not hurt you because you pay anyway 100 times too much already.



all is for commercial use - and all will have higher costs that YOU WILL PAY !

you are really unable to think from noon to 12 PM.

He's an idiot. He's an alt-right hate nic foreigner pretending to be an American online.

He also ignored the fact that China's tarrifs started today and anyone working in the following industries, or living in a town/city/state that relies on them, will be negatively impacted starting today.

US goods hit by Chinese tariffs

Poultry
— Frozen beef
— Fresh or cold pork
— Dried, smoked or salted pork belly
— Frozen chicken nuggets
— Frozen whole duck

Fruit and vegetables
— Farming potatoes
— Mushrooms
— Truffles
— Apples
— Cherries
— Avocados

Dairy products
— Butter
— Cream
— Yogurt

Fish
— Frozen red salmon
— Frozen mackerel
— Frozen yellowfin tuna

Seafood
— Frozen squid
— Lobster
— Canned shark fin
— Octopus
— Sea urchins

Tobacco
— Tobacco cigarettes
— Tobacco cigars
— Unstemmed tobacco

Pet food
— Canned cat food
— Canned dog food

Beverages
— Whiskey
— Modified ethanol
— Non-frozen orange juice with less than 20% sugar

Vehicles
— Some passenger cars
— Some small passenger cars
— Some off-road vehicles

[crockett]

Originally Posted by thommy

the point is that he does not see that he needs all that somehow directly or indirectly.
he can say he don´t need a microscope but the water supplier he gets his water from need them.

well he will not pay for a microscope (for what? he can´t see even the obvious) but will wonder why his waterbill goes up.

He apparently missed all the food products in his cherry picked list...

[Bladewire]

Here is the complete list of the 1,300 Canadian Tarrifs that just went into effect July 1st

A few things to highlight:

These American made products are now 25% more expensive in Canada

- Iron and non-alloy steel in ingots or other primary forms, including semi-finished products, flat-rolled products, bars and rods and wire.

- Stainless steel ingots or other primary forms, including semi-finished products, flat-rolled products of stainless steel, bars and rods, angles, shapes and sections, and wire.

- Other alloy steel in ingots or other primary forms, including semi-finished products, flat-rolled products, bars and rods, angles, shapes and sections, hollow drill bars and rods, wire.

- Tubes and pipes, sheet piling, railway or tramway track construction material, pipe for oil or gas pipelines, casing or tubing used in drilling for oil or gas.

These items are 10% more expensive... for now

- Food products, including yogurt, roasted coffee that is not decaffeinated, prepared meals of fowl or beef.

- Sweets, including maple sugar and syrup, licorice candy, toffee, other sugar confectionery, including white chocolate, not containing cocoa, other chocolate in blocks — slabs or bar, filled or not filled.

- Other foods, including pizza and quiche, cucumbers and gherkins, jams, jellies, strawberry jam, nut purees and pastes, berry purees, and other fruit purees other than banana puree.

- Condiments, including soy sauce, tomato ketchup and other tomato sauces, prepared mustard, mayonnaise, salad dressing, mixed condiments and mixed seasonings, other sauces.

- Soups and broths, mineral waters and aerated waters, containing added sugar or other sweetening matter or flavour.

- Whisky.

[crockett]

Onwebcam once again proves, not only is he a fake nick here to troll this forum, but he's also a idiot..

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Some motor vehicles with diesel engines....

Let's start with the very first one..... Don't plan on buying a new car with a diesel engine? Me either. But I'm guessing somewhere along the line nearly every product I've purchased was most likely transported by a truck with a diesel engine. Those new costs will be factored into everything you buy so.....

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Onwebcam once again proves, not only is he a fake nick here to troll this forum, but he's also a idiot..

Oh really? Let's pretend you and I are in a trade war. You provide me with spacecraft launch vehicles and I provide you with food. Who wins? Enjoy your spacecraft launch vehicle for dinner.

[GAMEFINEST]

Get ready for some price increases

[Brian mike]

#ThanksTrump

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Let's start with the very first one..... Don't plan on buying a new car with a diesel engine? Me either. But I'm guessing somewhere along the line nearly every product I've purchased was most likely transported by a truck with a diesel engine. Those new costs will be factored into everything you buy so.....

I don't buy new cars for starters. I let other idiots do that and when they default on that ridiculous loan they took out or lose their ass when they trade it in for another nice new shiny loan I go down to the auction about a mile from me and buy it at 50% or less drive it around for a few months or even years (very unusual) and sell it for a profit. Every single aspect of my life involves making a buck. I fucking live for that shit.

As far as these chinese made goods.. I use to actually sell chinese atvs locally and on ebay. Most of them were stolen designs. The one's I sold most were a stolen design of the Raptor.. They were actually good quads because of that.. But there again that's China's scheme.. Steal designs/patents and undercut the market.

[GFED]

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Oh really? Let's pretend you and I are in a trade war. You provide me with spacecraft launch vehicles and I provide you with food. Who wins? Enjoy your spacecraft launch vehicle for dinner.

You think we don't import food from Canada, Mexico & China

You are the Worst foreigner pretending to be American alt-right hate fake nic troll in History!

Every American knows we have a lot of food imported from Mexico, Canada & China and most of the times there's a sticker on the produce or packaging telling us so. All of those countries have Tarrifs against America now. #ThanksTrump

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You think we don't import food from Canada, Mexico & China

You are the Worst foreigner pretending to be American alt-right hate fake nic troll in History!

Every American knows we have a lot of food imported from Mexico, Canada & China and most of the times there's a sticker on the produce or packaging telling us so. All of those countries have Tarrifs against America now. #ThanksTrump

That's the list provided.. Spacecraft launch vehicles in, food out... Your argument is moot.

All of these countries already had trade tariffs on American goods hence the trade war.. Considering the majority of people in China couldn't afford an imported American made car to begin with adding a tariff to that puts it even further out of reach.

[MaDalton]

lower taxes for billionaires (including yourself - allegedly) - recover money by having the general population pay more for their chinese crap - distract everyone by blabbering nonsense on a daily basis - leave White House after dividing the country up to the brink of civil war and spend the rest of your days playing golf.

Genius plan.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

That's the list provided.. Spacecraft launch vehicles in, food out... Your argument is moot.

All of these countries already had trade tariffs hence the trade war..

Holy fuck you're daft.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Holy fuck you're daft.

No, you are. What do you not get about the fact that it costs more to make somethng in the US than in China so by adding a tariff on top of an already unobtainable product it increases the cost to the Chinese people making it even more unobtainable?

What do you not get about the fact that China is stealing US designs and Patents, undercutting US manufacturers and aren't paying any tariffs?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Oh really? Let's pretend you and I are in a trade war. You provide me with spacecraft launch vehicles and I provide you with food. Who wins? Enjoy your spacecraft launch vehicle for dinner.

The food is coming to the US.. meaning you will pay more for it.. on top of this with food that is exported farmers here will sell less of it as other options from other countries will be cheaper. This will also drive up your prices because they will have to charge more here to cover their loss elsewhere.. It's called the double whammy..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

The food is coming to the US...

Wrong. Those are exports..

More food for me. More spacecraft launch vehicles via stolen designs for you.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Wrong. Those are exports..

Dude.. you don't even know what you are talking about. You only blind defend everything.. Try buying a clue for once and stop constantly being wrong..

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/02/tari...eady-down.html

We will end up paying more because they are being hit on tariffs, both for incoming materials and export..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...day/476945002/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HK0GV

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Dude.. you don't even know what you are talking about. You only blind defend everything.. Try buying a clue for once and stop constantly being wrong..

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/02/tari...eady-down.html

We will end up paying more because they are being hit on tariffs, both for incoming materials and export..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...day/476945002/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HK0GV

This discussion is about China.. If you want to discuss Canada and Mexico we can.. I know that very well.. I turn down business in both countries because of tariffs. More so MX than CA though.. It's also nearly impossible for me to get paid out of MX so I don't even bother. If someone from MX wants to buy from me they have to do it via someone in the US and deal with all that shit on their own. Last guy had to travel into the US himself just to pay me, then he had to travel back in to a US terminal and pick up his equipment.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

Hey dumb dumb.. the food is coming to the US.. meaning you will pay more for it..

Onwebcam aka 8pt-buck aka xClips Jim aka Mineistaken aka Wehateporn is an idiot.

The cost of farm machinery in America is going to skyrocket.

How The Tariffs Will Impact Your Machinery Purchases

Trade war with China risks US farm machinery jobs – AEM

“We depend on a worldwide marketplace to have manufacturing work in the United States,” Slater explained to AgriTalk host Chip Flory adding that farm machinery manufacturers sell 40% of their products outside of the U.S.

According to Slater, the steel and aluminum tariffs increase the cost to manufacture equipment which makes the end product more expensive for the customer. That increased cost can make it very difficult to sell machines to customers overseas, Slater explained.

“So suddenly the U.S. manufacturer is less competitive and with the increased cost, they also face the fact of how they pass that cost along,” he said. “So, in the end, the American consumer or the farmer ends up paying more for the equipment because of the tariffs.”

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

This discussion is about China.. If you want to discuss Canada and Mexico we can.. I know that very well.. I turn down business in both countries because of tariffs. More so MX than CA though.. It's nearly impossible for me to get paid out of MX so I don't even bother. If someone from MX wants to buy from me they have to do it via someone in the US and deal with all that shit on their own. Last guy had to travel into the US himself just to pay me, then he had to travel back in to the US terminal and pick up his equipment.

The discussion is about Trump's retarded trade war.. You don't get to cherry pick defend because you know you're wrong..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

The discussion is about Trump's retarded trade war.. You don't get to cherry pick defend because you know you're wrong..

The link is China-US trade...

The overall trade war is because these countries impose tariffs on goods that already cost more to produce here in the US... Making them more unobtainable and in turn decreasing the likelihood people in these countries will buy our products.. Do you not get how that works? Trump is just giving them a taste of their own medicine.....

That isn't free trade... Free trade means no tariffs or equal tariffs on each side.. Hell let's quit even using the word free, how about fair trade?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The link is China-US trade...

The overall trade war is because these countries impose tariffs on goods that already cost more to produce here in the US... Making them more unobtainable and in turn decreasing the likelihood people in these countries will buy our products.. Do you not get how that works? Trump is just giving them a taste of their own medicine.....

Trump put a 25% Tarrif on imported Chinese circuit boards, their components & materials.

Do you know who is the largest buyer of the minerals used in transistors, capacitors, etc? China

The price of made in America Electronics just went up 25%. Do you understand that? If the price doesn't go up the companies will be going out of business.

Trump just made us 25% less competitive in the worlwide electronics manufacturing industry.

AMERICAN ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURERS REACT TO CHINA TRADE TARIFFS

"Now, manufacturers are feeling the pinch. An email distributed by Moog Music last Friday has asked their supporters to contact their senators and representatives."

"Mere weeks ago, the United States announced it was set to impose a 25% tariff on over 800 categories of Chinese goods. These tariffs include nearly every component that goes into the manufacture of any piece of electronic hardware, from resistors to capacitors, semiconductors to microcontrollers, and even the raw components that are turned into printed circuit boards. These tariffs will increase the cost of materials for electronics, even if those electronics are ultimately manufactured in the United States because suppliers and subcontractors must source their materials from somewhere, and more often than not, that place is China.

Now, manufacturers are feeling the pinch. An email distributed by Moog Music last Friday has asked their supporters to contact their senators and representatives."

[8pt-buck]

It appears the international goods and services free ride at the expense of the United States is coming to a end.

It's out on the table. Nothing anyone can do about it now except to accept it or cry like a little baby.
Which person will you be ?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump put a 25% Tarrif on imported Chinese circuit boards, their components & materials.

The price of made in America Electronics just went up 25%. Do you understand that? If the price doesn't go up the companies will be going out of business.

Trump just made us 25% less competitive in the worlwide electronics manufacturing industry.

AMERICAN ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURERS REACT TO CHINA TRADE TARIFFS

"Now, manufacturers are feeling the pinch. An email distributed by Moog Music last Friday has asked their supporters to contact their senators and representatives."

"Mere weeks ago, the United States announced it was set to impose a 25% tariff on over 800 categories of Chinese goods. These tariffs include nearly every component that goes into the manufacture of any piece of electronic hardware, from resistors to capacitors, semiconductors to microcontrollers, and even the raw components that are turned into printed circuit boards. These tariffs will increase the cost of materials for electronics, even if those electronics are ultimately manufactured in the United States because suppliers and subcontractors must source their materials from somewhere, and more often than not, that place is China.

Now, manufacturers are feeling the pinch. An email distributed by Moog Music last Friday has asked their supporters to contact their senators and representatives."

A circuit board is 1 component of the entire product so the whole product cost doesn't increase... just pointing out the flaw in your scenario) Plus the fact that China as a whole undercuts US producers by around 40%.. 25% is actually low.. 40% puts them on an even playing field with US producers..

On the otherhand, a person in China gets hit with a tariff on a product from the US that already costs 40++% more to produce than in their own country.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

A circuit board is 1 component of the entire product. Plus the fact that China as a whole undercuts US producers by around 40%.. 25% is actually low.. 40% puts them on an even playing field wiih US producers..

You are completely ignoring the response from the American electronics manufacturing industry. Did you not read the quotes in my post?

The electronics manufacturing industry knows more about their industry than you do dipshit you're talking theory, they are talking the reality of the manufacturing industry.

You are in complete denial of reality, as usual.

Business backlash in Asheville over tariff imposed by President Trump

The 25 percent tax on circuit boards is expected to take effect July 6. Officials at Moog Music said the tariff will drastically increase the cost of building instruments.

They said the tax could also force the company to lay off workers or move manufacturing overseas."

Onwebcam aka 8pt-buck aka xClips Jim aka Axeman aka Mineistaken aka Wehateporn is an idiot.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are completely ignoring the response from the American electronics manufacturing industry. Did you not read the quotes in my post?

The electronics manufacturing industry knows more about their industry than you do dipshit you're talking theory, they are talking the reality of the manufacturing industry.

You are in complete denial of reality, as usual.

You are completely ignoring the fact that those American producers are having to sell low to compete with all of the imported goods with what was little to no tariff... AND then having to sell that product to said country who imposes a tariff.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck

Which person will you be ?

That is the point of everything President Trump is doing right now.

No more words - all action. Let's see where politicians really stand on issues and we'll let the people decide in November.

For too long they could say one thing and do another - that is over.

Nothing people post on GFY will change the countdown to reality.

[2MuchMark]

Sorry onwebcam you are dead-wrong about all of this. This is a seriously fucked-up situation that is going to be bad for everyone.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You are completely ignoring the fact that those American producers are having to sell low to compete with all of the imported goods with little to no tariff...

The companies are saying they will have to move production overseas or layoff workers to compete.

Moog Music Says Trump's New Tariffs Will Lead to Layoffs

Are you capable of reading and comprehension?

What you say is bullshit

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Asshole.

China-US tariffs: The products targeted by both sides

Trade war start obama

Obama Steps Up Russia Sanctions in Ukraine Crisis
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/u...r-ukraine.html


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...01rank.html#rs
COUNTRY COMPARISON :: GDP (PURCHASING POWER PARITY)
GDP (purchasing power parity) compares the gross domestic product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States.

1 CHINA $23,120,000,000,000 2017 EST.
2 EUROPEAN UNION $19,970,000,000,000 2017 EST.
3 UNITED STATES $19,360,000,000,000 2017 EST.
4 INDIA $9,447,000,000,000 2017 EST.
5 JAPAN $5,405,000,000,000 2017 EST.
6 GERMANY $4,150,000,000,000 2017 EST.
7 RUSSIA $4,000,000,000,000 2017 EST.
8 INDONESIA $3,243,000,000,000 2017 EST.
9 BRAZIL $3,219,000,000,000 2017 EST.
10 UNITED KINGDOM $2,880,000,000,000 2017 EST.
11 FRANCE $2,826,000,000,000 2017 EST.
12 MEXICO $2,406,000,000,000 2017 EST.
13 ITALY $2,307,000,000,000 2017 EST.
14 TURKEY $2,133,000,000,000 2017 EST.
31 SOUTH AFRICA $757,300,000,000 2017 EST.

BRICS 23+9+4+3+0.7=39 and EU+USA 19+19=38

compare how many weapons you can buy for that money in different blocks and the number of people.

Trump and Putin Will Meet One-on-One in Finland, Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/w...-meddling.html

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Sorry onwebcam you are dead-wrong about all of this. This is a seriously fucked-up situation that is going to be bad for everyone.

Would it be so bad that you could buy products from the US without paying a VAT? Wouldn't you like to be able to buy that Tesla without all that added (government) expense? As if there's a competing CA manufacturer.

I've already stated the end result will only help me... I might be able to conduct business in MX and CA.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Would it be so bad that you could buy products from the US without paying a VAT? Wouldn't you like to be able to buy that Tesla without all that added (government) expense? As if there's a competing CA manufacturer.

I've already stated the end result will only help me... I might be able to conduct business in MX and CA.

You are talking theory.

We are talking reality.

Do you know the difference between reality and imagination?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The link is China-US trade...

The overall trade war is because these countries impose tariffs on goods that already cost more to produce here in the US... Making them more unobtainable and in turn decreasing the likelihood people in these countries will buy our products.. Do you not get how that works? Trump is just giving them a taste of their own medicine.....

That isn't free trade... Free trade means no tariffs or equal tariffs on each side.. Hell let's quit even using the word free, how about fair trade?

The title says "TRADE WAR".. quit trying to distract by arguing moot points that are meaningless because you know you are wrong..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are talking theory.

We are talking reality.

Do you know the difference between reality and imagination?

It's no theory.. It's reality that US manufacturers are undercut because of no tariffs and it's a reality that their products are hit with tariffs upon export to those same countries...

It's very much a reality that if someone in Mexico wants to buy from me their funds have to be approved by the government before being sent into the US supposedly because of drugs.. When it's the exact opposite.. Drugs move out, money flows back in... It's a reality that person in Mexico pays a higher price for my goods due to their tariff. Which means they are less likely to buy from me..

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It's no theory.. It's reality that US manufacturers are undercut because of no tariffs and it's a reality that their products are hit with tariffs upon export to those same countries...

You are completely ignoring my posts with links and quotes from American manufacturers saying the exact opposite of you.

The only companies that are going to do well with Trump's tariffs are multibillion-dollar multinational corporations with multiple manufacturing facilities in multiple countries. Everyone else will have uncertainty, which will make them hold onto their money, stop hiring, stop expansion and layoff employees.

This is what the Companies are saying right now. Stop with your "what if" one sided propaganda bullshit.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are completely ignoring my posts with links and quotes from American manufacturers saying the exact opposite of you.

The only companies that are going to do well with Trump's tariffs are multibillion-dollar multinational corporations with multiple manufacturing facilities in multiple countries. Everyone else will have uncertainty, which will make them hold onto their money, stop hiring, stop expansion and layoff employees.

This is what the Companies are saying right now. Stop with your "what if" one sided propaganda bullshit.

Let's use a real World scenario here. You and I are selling the same product. You are selling a product made in China. I'm selling a product made in the US. Our stores are right next door to each other.. It costs me 40% more to make my product than it does to have yours made, shipped into the US and delivered to your store..

Which one of us will be in business longer? Can you say Walmart?

Now the only way for me to try and survive is another market. How about where you get your product, China. So I send my product which costs 40% more to produce without even considering freight over to China and they slap on a tariff..

How much longer do you think I'll be in business? I guess I can just move my business to China? Hmmm is that why they do that? You don't say?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are completely ignoring my posts with links and quotes from American manufacturers saying the exact opposite of you.

The only companies that are going to do well with Trump's tariffs are multibillion-dollar multinational corporations with multiple manufacturing facilities in multiple countries. Everyone else will have uncertainty, which will make them hold onto their money, stop hiring, stop expansion and layoff employees.

This is what the Companies are saying right now. Stop with your "what if" one sided propaganda bullshit.

He's doing typical distraction arguments. Its same reason I always troll Robbie because it's all Robbie does as well. They know they are wrong but try to argue some other issue in attempt to win a argument.

It's a scammers argument. Not honest.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

He's doing typical distraction arguments. Its same reason I always troll Robbie because it's all Robbie does as well. They know they are wrong but try to argue some other issue in attempt to win a argument.

It's a scammers argument. Not honest.

Yes he ignores reality and what the actual businesses & industries are saying on how it's actually impacting them, and just gives anecdotal what if isms and propoganda.

Soon he'll be telling us all the industries that are complaining are anti-American and should shut up and take the losses Trump has dealt to them.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Sorry onwebcam you are dead-wrong about all of this. This is a seriously fucked-up situation that is going to be bad for everyone.

that´s what you should know already.

all this trump supporters have in common that they do not know how economy works.
so let them taste it.

[dyna mo]

why onwebcam would argue in favor of a tariff war is beyond reason. realistic estimates are GDPs across the globe will be hit 2-3% points.

Originally Posted by thommy

that´s what you should know already.

all this trump supporters have in common that they do not know how economy works.
so let them taste it.

you're going to taste your leader's splooge too. you seem to forget YOUR guys are implementing tariffs too.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by thommy

that´s what you should know already.

all this trump supporters have in common that they do not know how economy works.
so let them taste it.

If German car manufacturers will have to decide whether they rather sell to the US or to China and the rest of the world, that decision will not even take 5 minutes.

BMW Spartanburg exports 30% of their production to China - if they need to, they will move this out of the country. Currently they employ 8800 people in an area where there's not much else around.

And they will not be the only one, there is not one single car produced in the US that is made from 100% american parts.

So good luck with that.

BTW - why it is never mentioned that the US has a 25% tariff specifically for light trucks like the F150 etc? Don't want any competition here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

Cause as Vendzilla always says: pickup trucks are important for Americans!


PS:

Light trucks manufactured in Mexico and Canada, such as the Ram series of trucks manufactured in Saltillo, Mexico and Canadian built Chevrolet, GMC, and Ford truck models, are not subject to the chicken tax under the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Cancel NAFTA and your precious trucks will be 25% more expensive.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

that´s what you should know already.

all this trump supporters have in common that they do not know how economy works.
so let them taste it.

He thinks Trump is in control of tarrifs other countries choose to impose on American businesses to inflict maximum harm to towns, cities & states that voted for trump.

He thinks Mexico, Canada & Japan aren't raising the prices of their exports to America to compensate.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by StefanG

If German car manufacturers will have to decide whether they rather sell to the US or to China and the rest of the world, that decision will not even take 5 minutes.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

yes, my slightly retarded friend, laugh all you want.