Any Democrats or anti-Trumpers here for open borders?

[astronaut x]

Republicans love to boast how Democrats or anti-Trumpers are for open borders. I for one, am not and never have been. I feel pretty confident that I am not alone. Tell us, are you?

[King Mark]

Fuck no. Secure them shits. North, South AND Alaska!

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

I feel pretty confident that I am not alone. Tell us, are you?

[beerptrol]

Nope. Funny how it's Chump and his wealthy buddies who hire illegals

[Paul Markham]

No one is for open borders, except business men and stupid liberal extremists. Theproblem is how does one solve the problem.

A more secure border is needed. Impossible to hire more guards, using the army is unacceptable but a good idea, so better borders requires some physical presence. Everyone was happy with a better fence, but a Wall is unacceptable. Strange.

Why is it okay to put up more fencing which must include electronic surveillance yet wrong to build a wall with electronic surveillance? A wall won't be a 100% solution, neither will a fence. People can still tunnel, dig, overstay, etc a fence or a wall. Or is it just a Trump idea?

The claim that it's only Trump hiring illegals is even more stupid, but the anti Trumpers want you to think that. Millions of illegals now work in the US, the worse are the unskilled, criminals and dependants, the people who find it hardest to get a visa to overstay with. These are bringing down wages, costing taxpayers and criminals.

There needs to be a many pronged approach to migration. A Wall is only one part.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The claim that it's only Trump hiring illegals is even more stupid, but the anti Trumpers want you to think that. Millions of illegals now work in the US, the worse are the unskilled, criminals and dependants, the people who find it hardest to get a visa to overstay with. These are bringing down wages, costing taxpayers and criminals.

There needs to be a many pronged approach to migration. A Wall is only one part.

what a fucking stupid statement !!!!

i wish stupidy would hurt !

[Matt 26z]

Shitlibs claim they aren't for open borders, yet they go apeshit if illegals aren't treated the same way as citizens.

[BaldBastard]

Illegals getting into America find it very difficult to get Government hands outs but relatively easy to find work.. If American law started clamping down on those businesses employing illegals, then your immigration issues would be resolved 10x more than any wall will, most immigrants face bigger hurdles than any wall at the end as part of their journey, its just another obstacle to overcome and a fairly easy one.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Shitlibs claim they aren't for open borders, yet they go apeshit if illegals aren't treated the same way as citizens.

That pesky Constitution again.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one is for open borders, except business men and stupid liberal extremists. Theproblem is how does one solve the problem.

A more secure border is needed. Impossible to hire more guards, using the army is unacceptable but a good idea, so better borders requires some physical presence. Everyone was happy with a better fence, but a Wall is unacceptable. Strange.

Why is it okay to put up more fencing which must include electronic surveillance yet wrong to build a wall with electronic surveillance? A Wall won't be a 100% solution, neither will a fence. People can still tunnel, dig, overstay, etc a fence or a wall. Or is it just a Trump idea?

The claim that it's only Trump hiring illegals is even more stupid, but the anti Trumpers want you to think that. Millions of illegals now work in the US, the worse are the unskilled, criminals and dependants, the people who find it hardest to get a visa to overstay with. These are bringing down wages, costing taxpayers and criminals.

There needs to be a many pronged approach to migration. A Wall is only one part.

You got such a hard on for a wall you now capitalize it.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by RedFred

That pesky Constitution again.

The intent of the constitution was not to protect the rights of invading hordes.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The intent of the constitution was not to protect the rights of invading hordes.

The Constitution protects anyone on American soil. Sorry that bothers you NaziMatt.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by RedFred

The Constitution protects anyone on American soil. Sorry that bothers you NaziMatt.

Yet, you don't invite someone questionable into your own home, dumb ass. Great argument...

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by DraX

Yet, you don't invite someone questionable into your own home, dumb ass. Great argument...

Does your home have a constitution protecting those who enter?

Lmao. "Water is wet because doors have hinges" face ass...

[bronco67]

I'm not for open borders. But I am not against giving asylum to people who really need it.

That's not what our country is supposed to represent. And we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall around us like a bunch of scared rabbits. By the way, our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by DraX

Yet, you don't invite someone questionable into your own home, dumb ass. Great argument...

Leave it to a Trump cultist to label defending the Constitution as you just did. Oh wait, you don't even live in America.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Does your home have a constitution protecting those who enter?

Lmao. "Water is wet because doors have hinges" face ass...

Common sense protects my home and that's all I need, countries should be run the same way. Unhinged liberals and left doesn't seem to grasp the meaning of it though.

[Bladewire]

We need double the border patrol agents we have now and we need massive electronic surveillance. We also need double the immigration facilities and judges to stop the fucking backlog from giving these people months/years of waiting to be processed.

[King Mark]

Orangutans just agree with anything the orange god says

🍊🙏

[Rochard]

No one is for open borders. This is a marketing attempt by Republicans, making it sound they are "strong" and going to "protect us from caravans of illegal aliens, MS13 members, and terrorists". At the same time the Republican party is trying to make it sound like Democrats don't care about security, want to let everyone in, and we can all sing Kumbaya while holding hands.

The truth is this....

Illegal immigration is down over the past decade, and crime is down as well. Illegal immigration is still taking place, but it's happening at the ports of entry - not in the middle of the desert. Walls are ineffective - they are clearly just tunneling under them. Walls are less of a deterrence and more of a hindrance.

The other day during the State of the Union address Trump talked about El Paso, Texas. He said they built a wall in El Paso and crime went down by over thirty percent. The truth is crime went down in El Paso by thirty-four percent BEFORE they built the wall. God only knows how much they spent on the wall in El Paso, but it had zero effect on crime.

The problem is this is a signature campaign promise and a slogan - We've all heard them chanting it at Trump rallies over and over again. It's a great slogan - it's short and powerful. But it's wrong. If a wall costs a million dollars per mile and a fence costs $100k a mile, and a fence works exactly the way a wall works, we need to be building fences - not walls. But changing "build a fence" sounds weak.

We are not going to be building a wall the entire length of our border with Mexico. It will cost untold billions if not trillions, and will do very little to change illegal immigration or drugs coming across the border.

If Trump and the Republican party were serious about stopping illegal immigration and drugs coming across our border, they would be focused on the ports of entry where the bulk of illegal activity is happening.

[astronaut x]

So not one GFY anti-trumper is for open borders?

Imagine that.

[TheSquealer]

Imagine that. You ask a few unhinged "Trump is not my president" lunatics for an opinion which either contradicts or supports Trumps statements and everyone chooses the position that contradicts Trump.

This,... coming from the party of sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants.

[King Mark]

Just to be clear, I'm not a democrat. But I am anti-trump.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one is for open borders, except business men and stupid liberal extremists. Theproblem is how does one solve the problem.

A more secure border is needed. Impossible to hire more guards, using the army is unacceptable but a good idea, so better borders requires some physical presence. Everyone was happy with a better fence, but a Wall is unacceptable. Strange.

Why is it okay to put up more fencing which must include electronic surveillance yet wrong to build a wall with electronic surveillance? A wall won't be a 100% solution, neither will a fence. People can still tunnel, dig, overstay, etc a fence or a wall. Or is it just a Trump idea?

The claim that it's only Trump hiring illegals is even more stupid, but the anti Trumpers want you to think that. Millions of illegals now work in the US, the worse are the unskilled, criminals and dependants, the people who find it hardest to get a visa to overstay with. These are bringing down wages, costing taxpayers and criminals.

There needs to be a many pronged approach to migration. A Wall is only one part.

The truth is illegal immigration in the United States has changed in the past decade. Through out the years immigrants came to the United States for purely economic reasons. Illegal immigrants - mostly Mexicans - would legally cross the border, stay long enough to do some work, and then go home... The money they made in the United States went A LOT further in Mexico. Eventually they discovered they could just move here full time. They could get a job and they could get housing.

However, that's changed. Most employers use the e-verify system, and most companies don't want hire strangers - day laborers - off of the street and just pay them cash. It's too difficult to hide that you are paying people cash, and the liability is an issue. Housing is also an issue; Landlords and apartments do not want to rent to people who can just return home and landlords have no legal recourse to go after them for money.

At the very same time, it's become more of a risk to get caught in the United States illegally. It's also easier to get a work visa to come to the United States for a period of time. I live in California and the entire farming community is based on immigrant workers. They get a work visa and come here for a month or two or longer. Farmers here help them get work visas and even house them.

Illegal immigration in the United States is down.

Keep in mind illegal immigration in the United States is vastly different than the problems Europe has with illegal immigration.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Just to be clear, I'm not a democrat. But I am anti-trump.

You are not alone. 30% of Republicans are anti-trump now as well

[ANAL PASTE]

Everyone is for secure borders. The difference is throwing away 5 billion for unsecured border.
How can you fix illegal immigration if the entire process of legal immigration is broken and it takes people 20 years to go through it? You would think they start there and spend half of that money to model itself after Canada or any other state with efficient immigration process.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm not for open borders. But I am not against giving asylum to people who really need it.

That's not what our country is supposed to represent. And we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall around us like a bunch of scared rabbits. By the way, our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across.

HUH? Bronco: "NOT for open borders". Also Bronco: "we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall.. our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across."

Tell us how many drug smugglers, human traffickers, and child sex traffickers are coming in from the northern border, Bronco. "But it's just for non-whites!" - Wow this dude believes every fake news talking point the Democrats put out- sad.

Originally Posted by Rochard

No one is for open borders.

^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You guys crack me up. So you're ALL in favor of COMPLETING the FENCE that ALL the top Democrats voted for before, right??

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

HUH? Bronco: "NOT for open borders". Also Bronco: "we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall.. our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across."

Tell us how many drug smugglers, human traffickers, and child sex traffickers are coming in from the northern border, Bronco. "But it's just for non-whites!" - Wow this dude believes every fake news talking point the Democrats put out- sad.



^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You guys crack me up. So you're ALL in favor of COMPLETING the FENCE that ALL the top Democrats voted for before, right??

Yawn. How about you tell us how many are coming in from the northern border. Better yet, tell us how many are coming in from the southern border and tell us how a wall is going to stop them.

Good Luck.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Yawn. How about you tell us how many are coming in from the northern border. Better yet, tell us how many are coming in from the southern border and tell us how a wall is going to stop them.

Good Luck.

[RedFred]

Do you get all your 'facts' from this retarded looking doofus?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

[pimpmaster9000]

Do invaders have the right to expect a double standard? No...they do not...

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

You didn't answer what I asked you. But since you want to deflect and post some shit like this. So what you are saying is that what is in place now is already effective.

By the way, over 50% of illegals come through legally. We can sit and talk numbers all day long, and you are not going to win on them.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm not for open borders. But I am not against giving asylum to people who really need it.

Who should come? Just because you're in a poor country doesn't give you the right to come to America. There are something like 5 billion people that make like $2 A DAY - Should they all be able to come here? None of those Central Americans or Mexicans fit the bill.

Originally Posted by bronco67

That's not what our country is supposed to represent. And we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall around us like a bunch of scared rabbits. By the way, our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across.

Look if there were 129 million noncriminal 100IQ+ Mexicans down there we wouldn't need a wall. Has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Collectively they are dumb, many of them are low skilled criminals that get on welfare and drain the system. We simply can't support them.

We need to stop all immigration unless it's from European countries.

No Africans.
No Central Americans.
No Mexicans.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

You didn't answer what I asked you. But since you want to deflect and post some shit like this. So what you are saying is that what is in place now is already effective.

By the way, over 50% of illegals come through legally. We can sit and talk numbers all day long, and you are not going to win on them.

42% come through overstaying visas. I know we need to tackle those but we have people that we have no idea who they are flooding through the border. We need to address that first.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Who should come? Just because you're in a poor country doesn't give you the right to come to America. There are something like 5 billion people that make like $2 A DAY - Should they all be able to come here? None of those Central Americans or Mexicans fit the bill.



Look if there were 129 million noncriminal 100IQ+ Mexicans down there we wouldn't need a wall. Has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Collectively they are dumb, many of them are low skilled criminals that get on welfare and drain the system. We simply can't support them.

We need to stop all immigration unless it's from European countries.

No Africans.
No Central Americans.
No Mexicans.

^^^ now we getting down to the truth

This, my friends, is what #MAGA means.

What orangutans don't want you to know tho: https://smallbiztrends.com/2018/08/a...tics-2018.html

For groups that only had civil rights here since 1964 and are still actively redlined, these people are progressing impressively fast.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

^^^ now we getting down to the truth

This, my friends, is what #MAGA means.

What orangutans don't want you to know tho: https://smallbiztrends.com/2018/08/a...tics-2018.html

For groups that only had civil rights here since 1964 and are still actively redlined, these people are progressing impressively fast.

Your feel good article doesn’t mean shit. It just says a 400% increase. 25 to 125 is a 400% increases but it’s still a shit amount.

Bottom line is black n browns eat up a HUGE disproportionate amount of welfare. They are unsustainable. The more brown we get the more likely we will face a collapse. We simply cannot support it. We must maintain a white majority.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Obsessed with black & brown dicks 24/7

[TheSquealer]

"if you to upset a conservative, lie to him. if you want to upset a liberal, tell him the truth."

[brassmonkey]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No one is for open borders. This is a marketing attempt by Republicans, making it sound they are "strong" and going to "protect us from caravans of illegal aliens, MS13 members, and terrorists". At the same time the Republican party is trying to make it sound like Democrats don't care about security, want to let everyone in, and we can all sing Kumbaya while holding hands.

The truth is this....

Illegal immigration is down over the past decade, and crime is down as well. Illegal immigration is still taking place, but it's happening at the ports of entry - not in the middle of the desert. Walls are ineffective - they are clearly just tunneling under them. Walls are less of a deterrence and more of a hindrance.

The other day during the State of the Union address Trump talked about El Paso, Texas. He said they built a wall in El Paso and crime went down by over thirty percent. The truth is crime went down in El Paso by thirty-four percent BEFORE they built the wall. God only knows how much they spent on the wall in El Paso, but it had zero effect on crime.

The problem is this is a signature campaign promise and a slogan - We've all heard them chanting it at Trump rallies over and over again. It's a great slogan - it's short and powerful. But it's wrong. If a wall costs a million dollars per mile and a fence costs $100k a mile, and a fence works exactly the way a wall works, we need to be building fences - not walls. But changing "build a fence" sounds weak.

We are not going to be building a wall the entire length of our border with Mexico. It will cost untold billions if not trillions, and will do very little to change illegal immigration or drugs coming across the border.

If Trump and the Republican party were serious about stopping illegal immigration and drugs coming across our border, they would be focused on the ports of entry where the bulk of illegal activity is happening.

So why did they vote for more fencing?

Your argument would make sense if there was no barrier between Mexico and the US. It falls down when there is and digs a hole for itself when they vote for better fencing.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

HUH? Bronco: "NOT for open borders". Also Bronco: "we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall.. our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across."

Tell us how many drug smugglers, human traffickers, and child sex traffickers are coming in from the northern border, Bronco. "But it's just for non-whites!" - Wow this dude believes every fake news talking point the Democrats put out- sad.



^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You guys crack me up. So you're ALL in favor of COMPLETING the FENCE that ALL the top Democrats voted for before, right??

Don't expect common sense on a political debate. They're always dominated by party allegiance first and foremost.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Do you get all your 'facts' from this retarded looking doofus?

So why did they vote for more fencing?

Your argument would make sense if there was no barrier between Mexico and the US. It falls down when there is and digs a hole for itself when they vote for better fencing.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm not for open borders. But I am not against giving asylum to people who really need it.

That's not what our country is supposed to represent. And we definitely shouldn't be a country who builds a giant medieval wall around us like a bunch of scared rabbits. By the way, our president only wants this wall on the border that has non-whites coming across.

Why do you expect 100,000 of non-Hispanics to be crossing a border between US and Central/South America?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

^^^ now we getting down to the truth

This, my friends, is what #MAGA means.

What orangutans don't want you to know tho: https://smallbiztrends.com/2018/08/a...tics-2018.html

For groups that only had civil rights here since 1964 and are still actively redlined, these people are progressing impressively fast.

You ask the wrong question. You need to ask "Why are the majority of coloured people of low skills, low education, tendency for wars and over populating their regions. Don't blame the Whites for their problems, they need to own their own problems.

Now you can reply by calling me a racist to avoid answering the question.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You ask the wrong question. You need to ask "Why are the majority of coloured people of low skills, low education, tendency for wars and over populating their regions. Don't blame the Whites for their problems, they need to own their own problems.

Now you can reply by calling me a racist to avoid answering the question.

Of course nobody can blame the good and pures

[King Mark]

Y'all manifested y'all desinty all over this place. Want others to own y'all problems y'all created.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Your feel good article doesn’t mean shit. It just says a 400% increase. 25 to 125 is a 400% increases but it’s still a shit amount.

Bottom line is black n browns eat up a HUGE disproportionate amount of welfare. They are unsustainable. The more brown we get the more likely we will face a collapse. We simply cannot support it. We must maintain a white majority.

You defended redlining, where minorities in America gets stuffed into pockets where there's no jobs or decent education, then get mad if they use welfare?

Lmao. White people got denial and deflection so ingrained in their brains that they denying and deflecting the fact that everything comes full circle. There's no stopping it.

[King Mark]

On another note, America is on track to become minority white by the 2040's. That's only about 20 years away.

FULL FUCKING CIRCLE lol

Even if that wall went up, it's still happening. Lulz.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

You defended redlining, where minorities in America gets stuffed into pockets where there's no jobs or decent education, then get mad if they use welfare?

Lmao. White people got denial and deflection so ingrained in their brains that they denying and deflecting the fact that everything comes full circle. There's no stopping it.

Yeah, it's all evil whitey's plan to keep blacks and hispanics down. I guess we give a pass to indians and asians tho...has nothing to do with culture or the bad life decisions black people make. It all boils down to slavery. If white people disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, the now black controlled U.S. would remove all traces of white supremacy and blacks would stop killing robbing and raping.


Sound about right?

Talk about wild conspiracies.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

So what you are saying is that what is in place now is already effective.

By the way, over 50% of illegals come through legally..

No, I'm saying it's time to FINISH THE FUCKIN PROJECT which ALL THE TOP DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IN THE PAST. "But but but half come legally!" - Ok, so just ignore the criminals sneaking across the wide open border in the desert?? Nice logic, moron. How about NO.