Trump beating Iran war drums as several tankers are attacked at port..

[crockett]

At least 4 tankers were hit with explosives yesterday while anchored near a port in United Arab Emirates. Looking at the pictures the damage was not enough to sink any of the ships and quite honestly was not enough damage to be a state sponsored hit..

It's obvious low end terrorist cell as Iran or any serious threat could have done much more damage.. That didn't stop Trump from blaming Iran before the smoke settled...


Trump is pounding the war drums trying to do anything for a distraction from him being outted as a business failure and a traitor...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-ne...es-2019-05-14/


Best pictures and video so far are on aljazeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...105033539.html

[pimpmaster9000]

Same old war monger MO: sanction a country in to despair and force them to fight back and then point fingers and invade...

[directfiesta]

Bolton has a biggly hardon

[Bladewire]

In 2011 & 2012 Trump tweeted that Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Now, as Trump numbers are shit with a failing economy he's magically building up tensions with Iran. Imagine that, a self-confessed nationalist president randomly starting shit with another country to get re-elected

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

a self-confessed nationalist president

like George Washington?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by ghjghj

like George Washington?

I'm a idiot

George Washington was a war general, he fought for the US against our enemy. led our troops to victory against the odds.


Trump had bone spurs during war but they didn't affect his partying or playing golf while real Americans were fighting.. Trump gives comfort to the enemy who has attacked us..

Washington was a hero Trump is a traitor. You are a traitor.. George Washington would be the first to drag Trump out of office and hang him if he were alive today..

[Idigmygirls]

Originally Posted by crockett

...

It's obvious low end terrorist cell as Iran or any serious threat could have done much more damage.. That didn't stop Trump from blaming Iran before the smoke settled...

Gulf of Tonkin
Persian Gulf

What's the difference?

Not clear that it was a low-end terrorist cell. The CIA has a loooong history of false-flag attacks designed to (successfully) justify wars that the USA wants to start.

I expect to see a one or two more like this as the US positions its military assets into position to "retaliate" and initiate a full-scale bombing campaign.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Idigmygirls

Gulf of Tonkin
Persian Gulf

What's the difference?

Not clear that it was a low-end terrorist cell. The CIA has a loooong history of false-flag attacks designed to (successfully) justify wars that the USA wants to start.

I expect to see a one or two more like this as the US positions its military assets into position to "retaliate" and initiate a full-scale bombing campaign.

I think you may be onto something

5 days ago war hungry Bolton unexpectedly met with the new controversial CIA director Gina Cheri Haspel

Bolton held unexpected meeting on Iran with top intel, military advisers at CIA

5 days later these "attacks" 🤔

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I think you may be onto something

5 days ago war hungry Bolton unexpectedly met with the new controversial CIA director Gina Cheri Haspel

Bolton held unexpected meeting on Iran with top intel, military advisers at CIA

5 days later these "attacks" 🤔

This will be the only conspiracy theory onwebcam and WHP says is fake...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

This will be the only conspiracy theory onwebcam and WHP says is fake...

I think you might be right

The problem with Trump starting shit with Iran is that our allies aren't very friendly with Trump and they don't trust him so Trump has put us in a very dangerous position with his lack of diplomacy with our allies the last 2 years

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by ghjghj

like George Washington?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crockett

At least 4 tankers were hit with explosives yesterday while anchored near a port in United Arab Emirates. Looking at the pictures the damage was not enough to sink any of the ships and quite honestly was not enough damage to be a state sponsored hit..

It's obvious low end terrorist cell as Iran or any serious threat could have done much more damage.. That didn't stop Trump from blaming Iran before the smoke settled...


Trump is pounding the war drums trying to do anything for a distraction from him being outted as a business failure and a traitor...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-ne...es-2019-05-14/


Best pictures and video so far are on aljazeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...105033539.html

I think he is not really interessted any more.

yesterday they send Pompeo to Brussles because he wanted to take a picture with all EU countries to demontrate unity against iran - the EU parliamentarians have refused.

washington is also heavily critical of the fact that the EU is now increasing its defence budget.
YES you have read right !!!

the reason for the disgruntlement is that the EU, within the framework of the PESCO defence programme, intends to produce the equipment and weapons itself and not to buy them in the USA.

so it's only a matter of creating unrest in the world to increase arms exports from the USA. if you hadn't overslept to invest in techniques against climate change, then the USA might have something to export now.
We do not want weapons !!!

[thommy]

follow the money.

WHO benefits from all this war games ?

1. USA - biggest weapon exporter in the world
2. Russia - second biggest weapon exporter in the world
3. Britain - 3rd biggest weapon exporter in the world

BUT

Britain can not export weapons in every crisis region because the EU does not allow it.

I would not wonder if this brexit lie campaign was financed by the british weapon industry because they want to export blood and tears.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

In 2011 & 2012 Trump tweeted that Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Now, as Trump numbers are shit with a failing economy he's magically building up tensions with Iran. Imagine that, a self-confessed nationalist president randomly starting shit with another country to get re-elected

Let's do it.

[VRPdommy]

I have warned for a year now that donald wants a war with Iran. He is doing the Saudi's/Israel bidding.

And I kinda believe this report that says the attack on those tankers was staged to escalate the crisis and give reason for sending more military hardware.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...155502867.html

And then this...
Yemeni Armed Drones Attack Saudi Oil Pipeline
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-re...i-oil-pipeline

Then this...
Trump dismisses report of plan to send troops to Middle East as ally questions Iran threat
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/3665191002/

Then, as we might expect, we are not going to get the support of our allies in this fight...
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's remarks cause controversy, leaving transatlantic relations under 'severe strain,' experts warn
https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=63004375

The Senate better get hold of this issue and quick !

[brassmonkey]

don't throw your cig in the water... check! it can be dangerous

[crockett]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I have warned for a year now that donald wants a war with Iran. He is doing the Saudi's/Israel bidding.

And I kinda believe this report that says the attack on those tankers was staged to escalate the crisis and give reason for sending more military hardware.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...155502867.html

And then this...
Yemeni Armed Drones Attack Saudi Oil Pipeline
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-re...i-oil-pipeline

Then this...
Trump dismisses report of plan to send troops to Middle East as ally questions Iran threat
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/3665191002/

Then, as we might expect, we are not going to get the support of our allies in this fight...
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's remarks cause controversy, leaving transatlantic relations under 'severe strain,' experts warn
https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=63004375

The Senate better get hold of this issue and quick !

There is also another hit piece on Iran today about Iran targeting Americans with fake news.. They are pulling out all the stops.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by thommy

I would not wonder if this brexit lie campaign was financed by the british weapon industry because they want to export blood and tears.

Fucking retard.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by crockett

There is also another hit piece on Iran today about Iran targeting Americans with fake news.. They are pulling out all the stops.

They were lightly involved with that the last potus election and I don't doubt donald will try to use that to his advantage to rally support. But I assure you the parts they did were not well accepted. Poorly done and rarely believed.
But that does not mean they can't get better at it in the future.
but funny he can't believe the Russians did it.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

Fucking retard.

He just found the least plausible cause of brexit, not sure about you but that in itself calls for an award.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crockett

George Washington would be the first to drag Trump out of office and hang him if he were alive today..

Oh i'm fucking sure. And he'd replace him with who? A black female muslim tranny democrat that wants open borders and to shred the constitution ?

[bronco67]

I heard someone saying on a cable news show earlier that Iran is "not a paper tiger like Iraq was. Iran is an actual country with a modern military and the training to use it."

Basically she was saying it won't be easy like that dickhead Tom Cotton says, or as easy as John Bolton thinks. Has that empty headed fuck not learned anything from what he did to start the Iraq war? The man has zero fucking shame or self introspection. He's responsible for so many deaths of Iraqis and Americans. By extension, that makes him the sperm that impregnated the ISIS egg.

[BaldBastard]

Iraq was a walk in the park compared to Iran, about 4x the walk... ;)

To inflict crippling damage on the west all Iran has to do is target mile long boats that are full of oil and take 25 miles to stop or turn, meaning they need no where near a direct hit to explode, a blind operator could do the job...

And at best guess Iran has more than 130,000 missiles capable of that.... and about 30 submarines including the new cruise missile capable Fateh Submarine.

All Trump has achieved with North Korea and Iran is forcing each country into expediting their missile and military programs.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Iraq was a walk in the park compared to Iran, about 4x the walk... ;)

remember the SCUD missile? It was basically a sling shotted cast iron bath tub packed with old, leaky TNT. The guidance system was a guy who says, "They might be over there. Point it that way!"

Just as we do, Iran has missiles that can fly up your anal canal.

[BaldBastard]

The thing is, they've just proved they don't even need missiles if they want to cripple shipping, it was just a sign with a message.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...105033539.html

Any side could of vaporized those ships ;).. message delivered.

No ones sure of the delivery person though, Iran, USA, Russia or Israel, all have reasons...

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Truth

[King Mark]

"US President Donald Trump has warned Iran if it does "anything" in the form of an attack it will "suffer greatly"."

...look at that, trump defending the wahhabis again.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

"US President Donald Trump has warned Iran if it does "anything" in the form of an attack it will "suffer greatly"."

...look at that, trump defending the wahhabis again.

Trump said he's a nationalist, yet here he is provoking unnecessary conflict sending warships to the middle east before an election. Trump is a fucking piece of shit liar

[pimpmaster9000]

spain sends warship back home, detaches from invader US fleet...wants no part in the conflict...it is nice to see europe start turning its back on the USA...now if we are lucky and get millions upon millions of more refugees from US war mongering, then europe just might grow some balls and we all start sanctioning the USA...europe/china/russia etc...what is the USA gong to do? answer: suck it

[Paul Markham]

Yet another American President threatening war. So the same as all the rest.

The problem with you dumbtards is you criticise this one for doing the same as all the others.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

"US President Donald Trump has warned Iran if it does "anything" in the form of an attack it will "suffer greatly"."

...look at that, trump defending the wahhabis again.

Accidental war coming up soon. If anything happens between the nations while we're over there fucking about, the Trump administration will not have relationship with Iran needed to work it out. Instead, Trump or Bolton will order to start shooting. That's what they appear to want.

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by Bosa

Exactly.

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are a traitor..

Your uniform is ready sir.

[Paul Markham]

America has a history of invading countries, so Iran is just another one.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

America has a history of invading countries, so Iran is just another one.

And every time you support the guys who want to do it then double talk bad about it.. You made excuses for Trump claiming Hillary would have started wars now here we are.. Trump trying to revive his poll numbers and trying to start a war..

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trump said he's a nationalist, yet here he is provoking unnecessary conflict sending warships to the middle east before an election. Trump is a fucking piece of shit liar

It's what dictators do. They align themselves with other dictators, alienate themselves from other democracies, trample on the rights of the less fortunate, claim to be nationalists and invade other countries.

At least Hitler waited 6 years before invading his first country, Trump is wasting no time.

"Why do we make nuclear weapons if we can't use them?" Trump - March 30, 2016

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by RedFred

It's what dictators do. They align themselves with other dictators, alienate themselves from other democracies, trample on the rights of the less fortunate, claim to be nationalists and invade other countries.

At least Hitler waited 6 years before invading his first country, Trump is wasting no time.

"Why do we make nuclear weapons if we can't use them?" Trump - March 30, 2016

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

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[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by RedFred

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[RedFred]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

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Didn't that court ordered therapist explain to you how toxic it is to keep living in the past?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by RedFred

"Why do we make nuclear weapons if we can't use them?" Trump - March 30, 2016

because we would all bacteria up so fast that it would be a joke

trump does not understand the terrifying prospect of pissed off people gaining the "off" switch...one day it will happen anyway...but go ahead and keep pushing

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

And every time you support the guys who want to do it then double talk bad about it.. You made excuses for Trump claiming Hillary would have started wars now here we are.. Trump trying to revive his poll numbers and trying to start a war..

Can you tell me which President didn't go to war.

Kennedy was reluctant to pull out of Vietnam because he feared it would stop him getting re-elected. That was after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon were involved in the Vietnam War. The lie to the world was if Vietnam fell the rest of Indochina would fall, then all the way to Australia. Truth is after the North took over in the South there were no more countries falling to the communism.

George H. W. Bush was justified to retake Kuwait.

Clinton was right to bomb Serbia to stop them murdering Bosnian Muslims.

George W. Bush lied to invade Iraq and stupidly though the could occupy Afghanistan. And got re-elected.

Obama bombed Libya and brought down the person who cold rule it effectively.

Would Hillary have stepped up and supported more invasions?

Trump has threatened Iran, will he go to war to save his Presidency. If he does he will be wrong and will lose.

All I'm pointing out is American Presidents are not strangers to wars. Do you agree with that?

[crockett]

Democrats didn't invade and start multi year wars.. US didnt invade Bosnia that was a UN action and it was done to stop genocide..

You have to go back 60 years to find a Democrat who started a war. See Democrats learned a lesson with Vietnam..

Yet every war since that put boots on the ground was started by Republicans and you still try to play "both sides are the same"..

There are clearly times when troops will be needed but the last several wars were all started by Republicans and always trumped up bullshit..

The only exception is maybe Afghanistan and Bush couldn't wait to pull troops from there to put into Iraq...

It's funny how you blame Democrats for everything but on the rare occasion you do blame Republicans for something you always make sure to include Democrats are to blame as well..

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

Democrats didn't invade and start multi year wars.. US didnt invade Bosnia that was a UN action and it was done to stop genocide..

You have to go back 60 years to find a Democrat who started a war. See Democrats learned a lesson with Vietnam..

Yet every war since that put boots on the ground was started by Republicans and you still try to play "both sides are the same"..

There are clearly times when troops will be needed but the last several wars were all started by Republicans and always trumped up bullshit..

The only exception is maybe Afghanistan and Bush couldn't wait to pull troops from there to put into Iraq...

It's funny how you blame Democrats for everything but on the rare occasion you do blame Republicans for something you always make sure to include Democrats are to blame as well..

I didn't blame Democrats, I blamed American Presidents. So far Trump hasn't gone to war with anyone. Bush was an idiot who should never have been in any office of any importance. But Americans voted for him. Trump is no better except on his plans to limit migration and stop the flow of jobs out of America. Something the Democrats need to support. They won't because they rely on the ethnic vote and the money, both parties rely on, coming in from big business.

If I was an American, god forbid, I would vote for independents who don't take money from big business.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Clinton was right to bomb Serbia to stop them murdering Bosnian Muslims.
?

alzheimer patient, serbia did not take part in the bosnian war...not one single bullet was fired in serbia...not one single bomb fell on serbia during the bosnian war...the bosnian war was basically the entire world against the serbian minority in bosnia...IRL just another case of "saddams invisible WMD"...a fucking lie everybody keeps parroting like fucking idiots..."to stop the genocide" knee grow please, since when does a minority commit genocide and the majority just stands by? you made the minority fight back and then you pointed fingers...200.000 serbs ethnically cleansed by croats in 1 day = no problem but 8000 in srebrenica is genocide... fuck off LOL

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

The Senate better get hold of this issue and quick !

Congress basically abdicating their power by creating the War Powers Act.

Only Congress is supposed to be able to declare war and wage war via the Constitution...BUT, they can also enact laws to give the President that ability.

That's why we've had so many fucking wars without actually declaring war ever since WW2.

Hell, even AFTER Pearl Harbor...FDR had to wait until Congress declared war (which they swiftly did) before he could send in the troops in WW2.

These days? Johnson sent in troops to fight the Vietnam War, Reagan sent troops pretty much to any little country he wanted to put in line, Bush Sr. fought the Gulf War, Clinton lobbed missiles at the Serbian conflict and the Iraqi's, Bush Jr. invaded Afghanistan AND Iraq, Obama used drone warfare to slaughter thousands.
And then Trump blew the hell up out of Syria while eating chocolate cake with the Chinese leader.

Whether you agree or disagree with any of those actions is irrelevant. CONGRESS is the problem here.

They wrote law to give away their own powers to the Executive Branch.

They need to repeal that shit and take responsibility again.
Quite simply they don't want to have to make ANY big decisions that could hurt them politically so they have been giving power to the Executive Branch for decades.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Congress basically abdicating their power by creating the War Powers Act.

Only Congress is supposed to be able to declare war and wage war via the Constitution...BUT, they can also enact laws to give the President that ability.

That's why we've had so many fucking wars without actually declaring war ever since WW2.

Hell, even AFTER Pearl Harbor...FDR had to wait until Congress declared war (which they swiftly did) before he could send in the troops in WW2.

These days? Johnson sent in troops to fight the Vietnam War, Reagan sent troops pretty much to any little country he wanted to put in line, Bush Sr. fought the Gulf War, Clinton lobbed missiles at the Serbian conflict and the Iraqi's, Bush Jr. invaded Afghanistan AND Iraq, Obama used drone warfare to slaughter thousands.
And then Trump blew the hell up out of Syria while eating chocolate cake with the Chinese leader.

Whether you agree or disagree with any of those actions is irrelevant. CONGRESS is the problem here.

They wrote law to give away their own powers to the Executive Branch.

They need to repeal that shit and take responsibility again.
Quite simply they don't want to have to make ANY big decisions that could hurt them politically so they have been giving power to the Executive Branch for decades.

HUMMMM ... can't really disagree with that .....

[adultinnovation]

It's about time for another war..

That's how Empires stay in power..

[thommy]

Originally Posted by adultinnovation

It's about time for another war..

That's how Empires stay in power..

but who is going to pay for it?

US has never had higher debts and the situation will not become better.

here are a few indicators of today and they are from march and april numbers ( so the newest tariff disaster not yet included)

Retail Sales MoM APR expected +0.3 result: -0.2%
Retail Sales YoY APR expected +3.8 result: 3.1%
Retail Sales Ex Autos MoM APR expected +0.5 result: 0.1%
Manufacturing Production MoM APR expected +0.1 result: -0.5%US
Capacity Utilization APR expected 78.8 result 77.9%
Industrial Production YoY APR expected 2.8 result: 0.9%
Industrial Production MoM APR expected +0.1 result: -0.5%
Manufacturing Production YoY APR expected +1.2 result: -0.2%

lets see how this looks now after the new tariffs.
i am looking forward to the next big trade deficit.

nothing but lies and with lies you can´t pay a war.

[pimpmaster9000]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to US troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the US Central Command issued an unusual rebuke. The remarks from the British official — Major General Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the US-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from US and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”