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King Mark · 06-09-2019, 07:10 PM

50 fake trump moves

VRPdommy · 06-09-2019, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

America dont want no type of Peace by that canal bro. That's like fuckin with America's oil.

Not this admin anyway. I can't see any previous admin on either side ignoring the root problem.

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 07:51 PM

Dead eye sees things through a cloudy hateful racist homophobic lens

Just do a Google search of GFY for 2040 and see how many times a day the hateful asshole talks about "his people" taking over the white majority in America and giving payback to the American white population.

King Mark · 06-09-2019, 07:55 PM

^sit down when adults are talking

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

No, it just the fact that he ran on the idea that nobody gets it like he does and he knows better than the economists and generals and it has landed him in a place most of us knew we were in the first place. Wasted political capital and embarrassment for the nation as a whole.

When you use the harshest economic power of the US, for goals that are not really economic in nature and/or a major threat to the country, you diminish those of our partners in the world in working with us in certain domains. It's a matter of TRUST.

Don't forget we just worked out a NEW nafta deal and it says we didn't like the first deal we signed and throw that out and he worked a new deal and before it even passes, he wants to put tariffs on going against his proposed deal.
What does that really say about deals we sign ? Then, the same in Iran... go figure.
Should I be invested in a deal he makes for China, NK ?

Everyone wants and needs stability in markets. Job security goes with that.
The next POTUS will have a hard time convincing some it will not happen again.
There is a price to be paid for that.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...witter-1358158

He's trying to do things other Presidents have ignored.

Penalising Mexico with a tariff if they don't stop illegal immigrants from crossing their country to get to America is a good idea.

Telling China to buy more from America, stop the unfair trade actions or get massive tariffs is another way to sell more American goods, create more jobs, help with the debt America faces, etc.

Talking to NK is better than doing fuck all, which was the action of previous Presidents.

We all know he's not the greatest at the job and some of his measures are pure insanity. But others have done little but looked good.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Obama promised Obamacare during the campaign. He got elected. He made good on the promise and created Obamacare. You whined.

I whined at the root cause of the very expensive American Health system. Whatever measures are put into place they will cost Americans too much. Because of big pharma and the costs of hospitals and the way doctors make more money.

Obamacare was good and scrapping it was bad. Complaining about the costs is stupid because under any system American health care is over priced.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Is it immigration... or... is it people seeking asylum ?

If I were MX, why should I care if they enter when they are not headed for my country and the US is not even offering in paying the bills to stop them.

One would think there are problems where they are coming from and that is where you need to go to stop the problem.

It's illegal immigration. Any asylum seeker should register in the first safe country he arrives in.

Why should Mexico care? Because if they do nothing America will hit them with tariffs.

Yes go solve problems S. America has. Are you serious?

The basic problem they have is they are poor so unless you pump $trillions into S. America and make sure it doesn't get skimmed off. They will always have problems.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

And when liberals are in power conservatives want them to fail even if it means America fails with them.

Yes agreed, but the war against Trump is worse and makes America look bad. From China's, Mexico's, etc POV they are just waiting for a weaker President to come in and resume doing nothing about the problems. So they can prosper.

I would much prefer a cleverer President carry out trade reform, slowing down illegal immigration and talking to NK. But none of his predecessors have done anything. Clinton started the Prime Mortgage scheme that nearly bankrupted the world, Bush went to pointless wars you will end up losing, Obama bombed Libya, but some Americans ignore those things while Trump gets vilified at every turn.

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He's trying to do things other Presidents have ignored.

Penalising Mexico with a tariff if they don't stop illegal immigrants from crossing their country to get to America is a good idea.

Telling China to buy more from America, stop the unfair trade actions or get massive tariffs is another way to sell more American goods, create more jobs, help with the debt America faces, etc.

Talking to NK is better than doing fuck all, which was the action of previous Presidents.

We all know he's not the greatest at the job and some of his measures are pure insanity. But others have done little but looked good.

Other POTUS have not ignored the issues, just as unsuccessful. But he like to 'claim' victory when it is not there.

Trade policy has always been to promote 'fair' trading. Not tell others 'they have to buy more from us'

We have always talked to NK, trump is just doing it alone without our partners of common interest who are the ones they have originally threatened ....OK... where has that landed him... the same place and because he actually believes/says progress was made, it is much worse now because there is no motivation to do anything now until they escalate it to the next level. This is how it turned so messy in all of the history behind it.
Everyone keeps accepting the next escalation after grumbling about it and putting up some words and doing nothing.
Everyone has known that the only thing you can do is keep it contained a bit.
Trump just learned that lesson we already knew.
Only now they have high end nukes and long range missiles.

If he was tough as he likes to portray himself, he would have put a navel blockade on the country right from the start. And i'm not arguing for that but it would be effective.
They are getting the tech from the outside. Our policy has been one of containment.

The only difference is portrayed as a matter of perception. It is worse, not better.
You can't polish a turd.

bronco67 · 06-10-2019, 06:19 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

It seems like every day, there's a new headline which starts with "Trump threatens".

And that's because that's all he has in his extremely limited mental toolset. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. His way of killing bin Laden would have been to nuke the entire middle east.

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 06:21 AM

Success.... Victory.... We Won... Yippy... Ye-Haw...
Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB182

The legislation was agreed to in December. Waiting for their legislature to sign it. Why add insult to the matter. Sounds tough anyway.
If they were headed to Canada... what would we do ?
Should Canada tell us they will impose tariffs if we let them though ?

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 06:37 AM

There are principles involved here that should be talked about.
It is part of the resentment of the US around the globe.

We are in effect forcing MX to enforce our rules/will in their country.
Every country is responsible for their own borders.

Because we fail to legislate what we want/need here in the US, we take the side-step to try to keep them from landing on US soil where US laws apply.

Pretty simple as I see it. Government failure !

What did Reagan do after the 'boat people' ? try to remember.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161438

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...20-1980-528819

Busty2 · 06-10-2019, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Success.... Victory.... We Won... Yippy... Ye-Haw...
Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB182

The legislation was agreed to in December. Waiting for their legislature to sign it. Why add insult to the matter. Sounds tough anyway.
If they were headed to Canada... what would we do ?
Should Canada tell us they will impose tariffs if we let them though ?

They are coming through Canada it's so easy. No walls no fencing and the Appellation trail is completely un patrolled. I can drive through to Canada from Maine without any sort of checkpoint as they seem to be closed on Route 1 after 6pm ? All they have to do is get to Canada!

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

They are coming through Canada it's so easy. No walls no fencing and the Appellation trail is completely un patrolled. I can drive through to Canada from Maine without any sort of checkpoint as they seem to be closed on Route 1 after 6pm ? All they have to do is get to Canada!

While that can be appreciated, it was not my point.
The question was, if they were headed to CAD, instead of the US, what would we do ?
I suspect, nothing. We might even help them get there.

Just a little reflection on what we expect from MX.
They simply do not want them to land on US soil where US laws apply to them.
It's a political fix, not a legal or moral fix.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Other POTUS have not ignored the issues, just as unsuccessful. But he like to 'claim' victory when it is not there.

Trade policy has always been to promote 'fair' trading. Not tell others 'they have to buy more from us'

We have always talked to NK, trump is just doing it alone without our partners of common interest who are the ones they have originally threatened ....OK... where has that landed him... the same place and because he actually believes/says progress was made, it is much worse now because there is no motivation to do anything now until they escalate it to the next level. This is how it turned so messy in all of the history behind it.
Everyone keeps accepting the next escalation after grumbling about it and putting up some words and doing nothing.
Everyone has known that the only thing you can do is keep it contained a bit.
Trump just learned that lesson we already knew.
Only now they have high end nukes and long range missiles.

If he was tough as he likes to portray himself, he would have put a navel blockade on the country right from the start. And i'm not arguing for that but it would be effective.
They are getting the tech from the outside. Our policy has been one of containment.

The only difference is portrayed as a matter of perception. It is worse, not better.
You can't polish a turd.

So other Presidents were unsuccessful with their softly softly approach. As bronco67 has said he's trying a hammer because softly softly has made the situation worse.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

It seems like every day, there's a new headline which starts with "Trump threatens".

And that's because that's all he has in his extremely limited mental toolset. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. His way of killing bin Laden would have been to nuke the entire middle east.

As VRPdommy says other Presidents have failed and watched the situation get worse. What else is there but the hammer?

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Success.... Victory.... We Won... Yippy... Ye-Haw...
Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB182

The legislation was agreed to in December. Waiting for their legislature to sign it. Why add insult to the matter. Sounds tough anyway.
If they were headed to Canada... what would we do ?
Should Canada tell us they will impose tariffs if we let them though ?

So the legislature is to blame for not signing it. Softly softly fails again.

Paul Markham · 06-10-2019, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2

They are coming through Canada it's so easy. No walls no fencing and the Appellation trail is completely un patrolled. I can drive through to Canada from Maine without any sort of checkpoint as they seem to be closed on Route 1 after 6pm ? All they have to do is get to Canada!

Any migrant who can afford to enter Canada from S. America will find much easier ways to get in.

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So other Presidents were unsuccessful with their softly softly approach. As bronco67 has said he's trying a hammer because softly softly has made the situation worse.

Why bother me with what he said. I replied to you.

Their approaches were not so soft and no different that trump imposed.
And they achieved something until trump came in... they put the new POTUS to the test and he failed to deliver anything new and things have got worse.
And those that were imposed by others were not claimed as victories ! Made no major headlines... probably why you are unaware. you seem only to read headlines and trump sure makes those everyday.
You only want to remember part of the history you either know or wish to know.

The whole history of action for NK is one of containment. Just like Iran.
If you don't believe that then why not bomb today ! That is not soft !
Place a navel blockade today, that is not soft.
Try something new outside of rhetoric. That is all he brought to the table.

I think SK and Japan would have a say in our bombing, they would likely loose half their population and they are not at the table with trump. he is gong it alone.
Real Tough... what is he asking for that has not been asked before.
What has he done that has not been done before, except go it alone, without the folks it will effect most.

The only reason they agreed to close production units was because they were closing them anyway and building new ones.
Its a old political play the US and Soviets would use to eliminate warheads they were replacing for age as it was and both leaders could claim Victory!

Winning !

I'm ready to accept the fact they have them and might use them and we should continue to keep them contained.
Because that is all we can do without wiping out major populations.

VRPdommy · 06-10-2019, 03:11 PM

Paul Markham · 06-11-2019, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Why bother me with what he said. I replied to you.

Their approaches were not so soft and no different that trump imposed.
And they achieved something until trump came in... they put the new POTUS to the test and he failed to deliver anything new and things have got worse.
And those that were imposed by others were not claimed as victories ! Made no major headlines... probably why you are unaware. you seem only to read headlines and trump sure makes those everyday.
You only want to remember part of the history you either know or wish to know.

The whole history of action for NK is one of containment. Just like Iran.
If you don't believe that then why not bomb today ! That is not soft !
Place a navel blockade today, that is not soft.
Try something new outside of rhetoric. That is all he brought to the table.

I think SK and Japan would have a say in our bombing, they would likely loose half their population and they are not at the table with trump. he is gong it alone.
Real Tough... what is he asking for that has not been asked before.
What has he done that has not been done before, except go it alone, without the folks it will effect most.

The only reason they agreed to close production units was because they were closing them anyway and building new ones.
Its a old political play the US and Soviets would use to eliminate warheads they were replacing for age as it was and both leaders could claim Victory!

Winning !

I'm ready to accept the fact they have them and might use them and we should continue to keep them contained.
Because that is all we can do without wiping out major populations.

Which President put illegal immigration front and centre of his policies, which President talked to NK, which President threatened China with enough trade tariffs to get them to agree to buy billion of American goods?

If any did I will praise them too.

06-10-2019, 06:19 AM	#60
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp It seems like every day, there's a new headline which starts with "Trump threatens". And that's because that's all he has in his extremely limited mental toolset. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. His way of killing bin Laden would have been to nuke the entire middle east. __________________

06-09-2019, 07:10 PM	#51
King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	50 fake trump moves

06-09-2019, 07:51 PM	#53
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Dead eye sees things through a cloudy hateful racist homophobic lens Just do a Google search of GFY for 2040 and see how many times a day the hateful asshole talks about "his people" taking over the white majority in America and giving payback to the American white population.

06-09-2019, 07:55 PM	#54
King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	^sit down when adults are talking

06-10-2019, 06:21 AM	#61
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,194	Success.... Victory.... We Won... Yippy... Ye-Haw... Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB182 The legislation was agreed to in December. Waiting for their legislature to sign it. Why add insult to the matter. Sounds tough anyway. If they were headed to Canada... what would we do ? Should Canada tell us they will impose tariffs if we let them though ?

06-10-2019, 06:37 AM	#62
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,194	There are principles involved here that should be talked about. It is part of the resentment of the US around the globe. We are in effect forcing MX to enforce our rules/will in their country. Every country is responsible for their own borders. Because we fail to legislate what we want/need here in the US, we take the side-step to try to keep them from landing on US soil where US laws apply. Pretty simple as I see it. Government failure ! What did Reagan do after the 'boat people' ? try to remember. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161438 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...20-1980-528819

06-10-2019, 03:11 PM	#70
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,194