slackholes

Hello,

I have a tube site with almost 10k uniques daily and I would like to implement a solution where a popup or popunder would come in when user clicks on play button on a video.

Below are options that I consider, but I am not sure I have the right approach and I am looking for feedback and suggestions:

1) Up until now I was using Exoclick popunder, but for some reason it stopped working. I had just under 1$ per 1000 popups. Is this competitive? I feel I could get more elsewhere. What rates you get for your pop-under windows?

2) What is your experience with competitor "ad exchange systems" like JucyAds, ExoticAds are the rates better?

3) I am on CrakRevenue and Adultforce, how would you compare these affiliate networks with the classic "ad exchanges" I have mentioned earlier? I understand their principle, but in the long term, if choosing the right affiliate publisher how much per thousand clicks can I make?

4) Pornhub (aka Hubtraffic) offers 2.5$ per 1000 clicks, so I wonder if I could just send the popunder to a random pornhub URL? Do they allow it?


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4) Also I have noticed that people offer traffic exchange directly between their websites here on GFY, or other forums. What options and rates are there if I go and contact a webmaster directly and offer them my popup traffic? Am I likely to achieve better financial results?


5) Last question is using popups for generating new traffic - Is there any "popup exchange" marketplace ie. a place where I could trade in my popups with a webmaster in similar niche and he would place a popup windows that leads to my website etc?


I am relatively new here, so please be nice even though the questions are a bit stupid :D I plan to research all the questions myself, but would love to hear something from the crowd here.

Slackholes

thommy

chrome will block your site when you use any kind of system button to open a pop.

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1) Up until now I was using Exoclick popunder, but for some reason it stopped working. I had just under 1$ per 1000 popups. Is this competitive? I feel I could get more elsewhere. What rates you get for your pop-under windows?[/QUOTE]

that depends on the device and the GEO your users come from.
1US CPM looks like you have many tier 3 countries

an advertiser that buys adspace on your site will never pay more than he can make.
he want to make profit.
an adnetwork have usually many advertisers and for some of them your traffic will be more valuable and for others less.

on the longterm you will always reach the value of the traffic and not more.

as i said: this question can´t be answered. there are spots where one click have 0,50 value and there are spots where a click have not even 0,005 value.

a popunder is not a click - you are talking from 2 VERY different things here

imagine:

a user that is send through exchange systems 10 times will still have only ONE wallet.
the value of such a user is simply 1/10 when he appears on 10 sites.

generating traffic with pops will never bring you HQ traffic.
and you might have problems with google and chrome.
if you site gets chrome blocked no new window at all will open in chrome.

there is nothing better than search engine traffic.
1000 search engine users have a MUCH higher value as 10.000 from pop-exchange or other traffic exchange systems (where you usually just receive bots anyway)

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trevesty

thommy provided some excellent answers.

10k isn't really that much traffic, so you're going to be in the RON pile no matter which ad network you're apart of. Crak may be ok, but it depends on your traffic.

Exo is normally competitive for clean pop feeds.

We're talking $10-$20 per day here, so... not really anything significant. Test and find out what works best for your traffic.

And don't ever put a popunder that's initiated from a play button.

Klen

Funny, because that is exactly what xvideos is doing lol. And i dont see their seo ranking dropping due that.

slackholes

Thommy: Thanks for answers! I did not realize that chrome can turn off a target="_blank" on my domain, will try if it is the case why my popups stopped working.
Regarding my geo its mostly UK/US/Germany which should be the holy grail u guess :D


Regarding "a popunder that's initiated from a play button."
Yes, even Pornhub does have onclick popunder/over too,
I had in mind programming something like every 2 videos played, there is one popup to make it less annoying.

ZackBasil

Exo is pretty much competitive. Well and ~$1 cpm on 10k daily traffic is a normal result.

Anyway, be careful placing popunder's trigger on navigational buttons. It may lead to a strike from Google.

thommy

I don´t get any pops there on a play button.

it is maybe your location or you do not use chrome.

I have 5 sites in my network working with xhamster embedded videos (wich also open a new window on the play button.

all 5 are blocked in chrome - the webmasters are right now working to replace this videos.

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thommy

more than one popunder per user per session will not work for advertisers (and users will hate you also)
you should have THEIR success in mind if YOU want to become successful.

less in in many cases more on the long run.

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thommy

if he really have most traffic from US UK and germany it is a quite low result.

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slackholes

Yeah, I am thinking of maybe trying some deal from affiliate networks (crak and adultforce) and see the results. But there is so much choice, so many offers and none really matches my (perverted) niche!

thommy

what niche is it?

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SRProductions

Good points, thommy!

LeMeLiN

From what I know Exoclick Pop under has declined by google chrome in the last month and the rates have also gone down.

trevesty

No they're not. It's onClick on thumbnails. Maybe they do in Firefox, but I can't be bothered to check there.

Edit: I didn't say anything about SEO either.

trevesty

That's not from a play button, though.

trevesty

It is low yes, but if we consider the low volume, then probably no advertisers are individually targeting his site / zone(s) but rather he's just showing RON advertisements. Most people bid lower for that.

thommy

hmmm... don´t know if there are so many with target whitelists.
I think that more advertisers have static blacklists and a new site should not be excluded than.

but this is only possible to see when you look over the result over a longer periode.
maybe he had a higher result when he had even less traffic and he was added on more blacklists with the time.

webmasters are usually looking too much on individual results of an individual adtype or spot on a site site instead looking at the overall result per potential buyer. if they would do that they would realize that every additional ad or ad tool takes result from every other. this is even worse when an advertiser pays CPM (and you can see it clearly when you look at the sinking flight of CPM prices in the past 15 years).

I remember a time (around 20 years ago) when a CPM of 3-5 euro for adimpressions was reality.

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thommy

with less supply and same demand prices will not go down they go up.

as soon as sites are blocked in chrome the supply decreases because this sites do not deliver anything anymore.

I am not sure how exo´s pop can be configured but I am sure there is an option.

unfortunately you can never know if the pop is detected by a google bot or if the page was tested by a human tester.

if it is tested by a human they will send a video and you can see where he have clicked and complained.
but also here is no guarantee if every human tester interprets the google rules the same. some of them are much more picky.

but there are ways to still work with popunders - even on chrome.
it is a long way to find out how and of course it only works if it´s not overdone.

from my network I can say that we have lost around 25% of pop traffic through this finetuning but the total revenue from what is left in compare to before is 10% higher.
so i am fine with this rules.

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trevesty

When you buy on Exo, you can choose to target RON, "Premium Sites", all or Members Area - with a few other filter options. (https://prnt.sc/qe9nra) RON is where new / small sites are at. Personally when I buy, I only target Premium zones - never RON. I'm sure others may target RON or all, but personally I don't see the point.

My sites are also listed in their premium area and I definitely get more than $1 CPM pops for those geos.

thommy

got it ! yes that makes sense in this case but dangerous for amateurs in buying.

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slackholes

It's fisting/big toys/extreme insertions

Potentialy some sextoys or cams could work out? I am trying out Livejasmin atm.