Banned categories on porn sites - Legal/Google problems

[Wizionar]

Hey everyone,

I was wondering if there is any banned categories that can't be on tube sites. I noticed that Pornhub for example doesn't allow "forced" tag. But it's allowed on Xvideos. I think that it's just because of petition against Pornhub and problems they're is facing due to those types of videos. But it's not probihited by law, isn't it?

Another one is "rape" which is banned on both PH and Xvid. But there are tube sites that contain those categories or are primarily focused on them.

So my question is, are those categories prohibited by law? Or is it just needed to explain that those videos are faked in category description?

I own tube sites and those categories are fitting few of my niches, but I don't want to get into trouble. Since videos are just embedded from popular tube sites, there should be no problem with them, it's just about names of categories. Is it different when hosting the same videos?

And one last question: Is this a problem for Google? Can my site be penalized for this?

I don't want to be banned/penalized from Google nor have legal problems, so I just wanted to ask you - people with more experiences.

Thank you guys

[sarettah]

What categories/content a website can show is based on a couple of things:

1. what is legal in their country.
2. what their cc processor allows
3. what their personal opinions/morals allow

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[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by sarettah

What categories/content a website can show is based on a couple of things:

1. what is legal in their country.
2. what their cc processor allows
3. what their personal opinions/morals allow

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Thanks for your reply Sarettah

1) I have to check this out, so it's about law of country where site/owner resides
2) The site has no payment processors as it's free tube site
3) As it's just a category name and videos are taken from PH and Xvid (means that those videos are okay, or deleted if not), I have no problem with it. Content is okay, just name of category is controversial

[cordoba]

It's an interesting question, whether terms that are legal in themselves, could be 'censored' or demoted by Google.

As far as the 'forced' category is concerned, it's illegal in the UK to even watch a 'forced' roleplay video, even if the actors/actresses are clearly acting.

In fact, at the time when groups were campaigning to have that law passed, they were making a big thing about such videos being easily found on Google. So I would imagine at least in the UK, and any other country where a category is illegal, that it would censor results.

Then there are 'dubious' categories, which in themselves aren't illegal - such as 'incest'. I wonder if Google might already, or in the future be looking at 'dubious' terms and demoting or blacklisting sites that contain them?

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by cordoba

It's an interesting question, whether terms that are legal in themselves, could be 'censored' or demoted by Google.

As far as the 'forced' category is concerned, it's illegal in the UK to even watch a 'forced' roleplay video, even if the actors/actresses are clearly acting.

In fact, at the time when groups were campaigning to have that law passed, they were making a big thing about such videos being easily found on Google. So I would imagine at least in the UK, and any other country where a category is illegal, that it would censor results.

Then there are 'dubious' categories, which in themselves aren't illegal - such as 'incest'. I wonder if Google might already, or in the future be looking at 'dubious' terms and demoting or blacklisting sites that contain them?

Hey Cordoba. I actually didn't find anything specifically about "forced" in UK, but I found this: en . wikipedia . org/wiki/R18_(British_Board_of_Film_Classification). Well, it looks that almost anything a little bit hardcore is banned :D BUT, you can find those categories on UK version of Xvid AND I can see results for pornsites with "forced" content on Google through UK VPN. Doesn't seem there is something censored.

It's also interesting that Pornhub seems to be excluded from SERP in Germany.

Since Google normally shows search results for "forced", "rape" etc. porn, it makes sense that there is no censorship from Google about those types of porn. That should also mean that there should be no penalization/ban of porn site that contains such type of categories. Maybe it is banned on PH just because of their image and pressure from people, because PH is always a target for such people that wants porn regulations etc.

Looks to me that if content is from major tube sites - means there is no real "forced" porn - there should be no problem. Of course, hosting real forced videos etc. should be a legal problem.

[Wizionar]

And to make it even more interesting, when you search for "rape porn" there are some search results excluded from SERP due to DMCA. There is a company that complain that their rape porn videos are used on other rape porn sites. Looks funny and looks that Google has no problem with that when one company can complain about their rape porn clips being used on other sites.

[InfoGuy]

If you need legal advice, hire a lawyer in your country/jurisdiction. Don't be an idiot and rely on legal advice from people posting on message boards.

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

If you need legal advice, hire a lawyer in your country/jurisdiction. Don't be an idiot and rely on legal advice from people posting on message boards.

You're right, it's the best option. As I said, I need to find out what local laws are, but I was also curious about other GFY members experiences in terms of Google + these types of content. Especially penalizations and bans.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Wizionar

2) The site has no payment processors as it's free tube site

As far as pornhub goes, they have a premium area that you pay to join so they do have to deal with payment processors.

Not sure onthe other big tubes which one s have gone with the premium model.

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[ZENRA]

Platforms that allow user-submitted content usually will err on the side of caution and have stricter rules than what you'd normally see if you do it all on your own.

[mikeworks]

Use your moral compass, if you have one.

Would you like to see your mother, girlfriend, wife or sister raped? Same goes for all the other sick categories some sites have. Sometimes morals is worth more than money.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by mikeworks

Use your moral compass, if you have one.

Would you like to see your mother, girlfriend, wife or sister raped? Same goes for all the other sick categories some sites have. Sometimes morals is worth more than money.

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by mikeworks

Use your moral compass, if you have one.

Would you like to see your mother, girlfriend, wife or sister raped? Same goes for all the other sick categories some sites have. Sometimes morals is worth more than money.

For real? I'm talking about faked videos obviously, thats why I mentioned that videos are embedded from Pornhub and Xvid. It's just a name of category that is filled with normal hardcore clips. Believe it or not, there are people (even girls) that are into rough sex and role plays. Noone would ask if it's okay to make site with real forced/rape videos

[ThePornCritic]

Originally Posted by Wizionar

For real? I'm talking about faked videos obviously, thats why I mentioned that videos are embedded from Pornhub and Xvid. It's just a name of category that is filled with normal hardcore clips. Believe it or not, there are people (even girls) that are into rough sex and role plays. Noone would ask if it's okay to make site with real forced/rape videos

Porn is fake, but those videos have immoral ideas. They gives a bad image to the industry. It is one of the most serious crimes to commit.

I'll use race as an example. I'm black, and I do not buy porn with pornstars who have a history of saying the N word in porn. Any site with that pornstar loses money from me.

[8pt-buck]

So, since Penthouse crashed- What cha been up to ?

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by ThePornCritic

Porn is fake, but those videos have immoral ideas. They gives a bad image to the industry. It is one of the most serious crimes to commit.

I'll use race as an example. I'm black, and I do not buy porn with pornstars who have a history of saying the N word in porn. Any site with that pornstar loses money from me.

You find it immoral, someone find it sexy, even those who film it. If you find this immoral, don't try to go to some hentai/manga site, there are things I couldn't even imagine. And it's pretty popular in the world. BTW you're really spending your time finding if someone say something in some of his/her clips? That looks like you've nothing to do man.

[celandina]

It has NOTHING to do with the government, but with Credit Cards companies. So, if you in any way need access to collecting money via credit cards..... hence the problem with " naughty" words and content by most sites.

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by celandina

It has NOTHING to do with the government, but with Credit Cards companies. So, if you in any way need access to collecting money via credit cards..... hence the problem with " naughty" words and content by most sites.

Hi Celand, thank you for your response Credit cards are definitely a problem with such a content. "Luckily", we have tube sites monetized through ads so that shouldn't be a problem for us. I'll just try to talk about this with a lawyer to be 100% sure.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by Wizionar

For real? I'm talking about faked videos obviously, thats why I mentioned that videos are embedded from Pornhub and Xvid. It's just a name of category that is filled with normal hardcore clips. Believe it or not, there are people (even girls) that are into rough sex and role plays. Noone would ask if it's okay to make site with real forced/rape videos

Your assumption that all content on PornHub or XVideos is legal is wrong. See this recent thread.

Wow - Just Fucking Wow - This Is Not Good For Us At All...

And rape isn't funny, so your post with the smiling and laughing emojis are really insensitive to those who have been victimized. How would you enjoy being someone's bitch, as a new inmate, after being prosecuted for disseminating illegal content?

[Wizionar]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Your assumption that all content on PornHub or XVideos is legal is wrong. See this recent thread.

And rape isn't funny, so your post with the smiling and laughing emojis are really insensitive to those who have been victimized. How would you enjoy being someone's bitch, as a new inmate, after being prosecuted for disseminating illegal content?

Thats disqusting. You're right that it's really not funny. But I didn't point any emojis, and didn't say anything about that this topic is funny. I am talking about making categories filled with roleplay videos, and laughed at how someone can think that someone else could ask if it's okay to promote/create real illegal content. I think that you're just trying to find a problem and make me think that I laugh at people raping other people. Yes, it's a problem that there are people actually doing this, and another problem is how is it possible that someone can upload it to free tube site like Pornhub. But it's Pornhub's responsibility to block this type of content. I guess they already have lots of channels, productions, and verified models. Don't know why they just don't stop users upload. But again, this has nothing to do with what I'm asking.

[ThePornCritic]

Originally Posted by Wizionar

You find it immoral, someone find it sexy, even those who film it. If you find this immoral, don't try to go to some hentai/manga site, there are things I couldn't even imagine. And it's pretty popular in the world. BTW you're really spending your time finding if someone say something in some of his/her clips? That looks like you've nothing to do man.

You really jumped to conclusions. I never said I was trying find if someone said something. You are adding words that were never stated. Also, most porn movies with racism do not have a warning. There have been times when I purchased a video to discover and hear the pornstar say something racist during sex.

Not all hentai and manga feature rape. It would be foolish to assume every movie in a niche/fetish has all of the same elements.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Your assumption that all content on PornHub or XVideos is legal is wrong. See this recent thread.

Wow - Just Fucking Wow - This Is Not Good For Us At All...

And rape isn't funny, so your post with the smiling and laughing emojis are really insensitive to those who have been victimized. How would you enjoy being someone's bitch, as a new inmate, after being prosecuted for disseminating illegal content?

I think you are confusing fantasy with reality.... Artistic creation is protected by the First Amendment regardless if it is porn or mainstream. The difference is only in somebody's mind and ALL "political correctnicks". Obviously you do not see the distinction. That is too bad

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by celandina

I think you are confusing fantasy with reality.... Artistic creation is protected by the First Amendment regardless if it is porn or mainstream. The difference is only in somebody's mind and ALL "political correctnicks". Obviously you do not see the distinction. That is too bad

Did you actually read the article in the linked thread?

What am I confusing? What distinction do I not see? You are the one who seems misguided. Are you saying it's ok for adults to watch actual rape videos of UA girls and fantasize about them? Are you saying it's ok for adults to fantasize about UA girls in their minds, if they don't act on their impulses and have physical contact? Are you saying watching or possessing CP is ok and victimless?

While there may be some protection for artistic creation under the First Amendment, there are exceptions. See how far you get if you create or distribute something that the government classifies as obscene. There's a reason why billers don't process payments for sleep porn, even though it's scripted and consensual.

[Wizionar]

I think there is no need to continue with this thread. I got answers to my question, rest is just opinions about morality. If anyone want to continue, there is a thread InfoGuy posted and that was created for it. This thread is waste of time for all now. What I was asking was already answered. Btw thanks to everyone who answered to my question

[celandina]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Did you actually read the article in the linked thread?

What am I confusing? What distinction do I not see? You are the one who seems misguided. Are you saying it's ok for adults to watch actual rape videos of UA girls and fantasize about them? Are you saying it's ok for adults to fantasize about UA girls in their minds, if they don't act on their impulses and have physical contact? Are you saying watching or possessing CP is ok and victimless?

While there may be some protection for artistic creation under the First Amendment, there are exceptions. See how far you get if you create or distribute something that the government classifies as obscene. There's a reason why billers don't process payments for sleep porn, even though it's scripted and consensual.

I have NO doubt that somewhere there " float" real rape videos, just as killing videos and certainly pedo videos and other such "shit".. AND YES !! the perps of these, if found, should be severely punished ( if it was up to me, I shoot then out of hand) ! HOWEVER, you are talking about PornHUB ( yes they steal videos, but that is not under discussion now) and other legit sites where they stage some sort of fantasy like Dollcet, Crux, Ponies, BDSM of all kinds and yes even " school girls".....and that is what I was talking about. Anybody with reasonable IQ can distinguish the real thing from staged (acted) material. And as I have said elsewhere a woman whio is over 18 years should be able to enter into an legal agreement to perform what ever she feels suits her.

and BTW 1: I consider British Board of Censors or some "local" US obscenity backwater as illegal statutes. In the 70 ties you went to jail if you were a homosexual and it was according to a valid law ! It was legal in Germany to kill Jews. It is still legal in Middle East to marry 9 years old girls yada yada...

and BTW 2 I did read the article and can only say that if true, it would have been an exception, otherwise PH execs would be doing a hard time by now. As for the whole GirlsDoPorn saga ? It was all about women not reading a fine print of their agreements. Their victory is quite dangerous since it confirms the view, that a woman is not mentally or intellectually competent to enter into a legally binding agreement.

and BTW 3: We agree that billers do not process sleep porn ( and all other staged/acted porn I have listed above), because they are scared of VISA pulling their privileges.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by ThePornCritic

Porn is fake, but those videos have immoral ideas. They gives a bad image to the industry. It is one of the most serious crimes to commit.

I'll use race as an example. I'm black, and I do not buy porn with pornstars who have a history of saying the N word in porn. Any site with that pornstar loses money from me.

Well immoral is so subjective, there are tons of people who find a softcore stripshow highly immoral and unacceptable.
Violent action movies could also be categorized as such.

And A girl forced to work in front of a webcam or make a solo masturbation video is much worse than an actress agreeing to film a rape vid.

[ThePornCritic]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Well immoral is so subjective, there are tons of people who find a softcore stripshow highly immoral and unacceptable.
Violent action movies could also be categorized as such.

And A girl forced to work in front of a webcam or make a solo masturbation video is much worse than an actress agreeing to film a rape vid.

The portrayal of immorality is completely different between porn and mainstream movies.

Violent action movies never say the villain's actions are just fine. The good guy wins and does not typically continue to use violence without self-defense.

Rape porn says the villain's actions are just fine. That's the difference between both medias.

[digitalfantasies]

And solo masturbation scenes say that experience sexual pleasure other than during the process of reproduction is fine. Many disagree
The porn scene in general says that exploiting your body for profit is fine. Many disagree
Many people view porn in general as immoral.
Many view gay porn is immoral.
Many view my work as webcam sex promotor as immoral.

Dont get me wrong From my personal perspective I agree with you about rape. But that my personal view.