Webster01

How high is the chance he´s running these piracy sites? So many piracy projects with suspicious linking and involvement...

Freedom6995

You should back up your mouth or take a trip to Coventry.

emmasexytime

now just measure their cost vs the extra revenue you made

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myleene

Don't bother sending a DMCA to pornhoarder. They won't honor them and they are with a DMCA-proof host last time I checked.

They embed their videos from streaming sites. You need to send your DMCAs to the streaming sites.

I've removed from:
- doodstream
- filemoon
- mixdrop
- streamtape

I've not tried others as I didn't have videos on them.

Once I took mine down months ago they stayed down.

I did send DMCAs on all their pages and search results on Google and Bing.

xxxclusive

Here are the contacts where you can report pirate websites:

[email protected]
https://usa.visa.com/Forms/report-ip-abuse-form.html

They request following things:

- you need to have sent DMCA 3x times, and prove this with sending copy of emails including time stamps
- they request proof that you are IP holder
- you need to send a screenshot and link which shows that the pirate website uses MC/Visa

Visa also requests a business certificate.

xxxclusive

Thx for advice, yes also xtakedown.com isn't able to get videos of Vixen down, talked with them.

Anyway pornhoarder is a mess, when you click play you get like a dozen redirects before the video starts to play.


Videos mostly stay down everywhere once it's taken serious, so it's worth it, if all content owners would take action.

I feels good when you issue a DMCA with hundreds of links (with link extractor plugin it's done withing minutes) and those crooks have to take it down.

It's about principle that you aren't powerless. I can only encourage everyone to stand up and fight. If you have resignated they have won against you already.

xxxclusive

How do you technically get and extract the streaming links from pornhoarder videos?

I'm not a big fan of search engine removal as it just covers up but doesnt kill the root. It's last instance.

On pornhoarder also ads pop up, how to find out who is the ad provider? Sending DMCA to ad providers worked wonders with pornditt, everyone who uses MC/Visa usually take DMCAs seriously.

Yamato

1. You can write a script to scrape links. Python can do magic. I can write one if you ever need one.
2. I think the easiest way to deal with pirates is cutting them off from sponsors. I know what I am about to say is unethical BUT I heard it from a friend that if you turn on a fake traffic bot with most obvious proxies and direct them riaaaaght at those sponsor ads, in 3-4 days they are going to be canned. Sponsors do not like to see 60 hits in 60 seconds with 100% proxy traffic and ip range of digital ocean or some other hosting provider.

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myleene

You need to analyze streams/links one by one. Manually or with a script.

Search engine takedown should always be done. On the main video page, category pages, studio pages and all others. It kills their SEO.

Same as above for ad networks.

xxxclusive

Anyone knowing an lawyer in EU (not US as yous guys have insane rates and are different plant when it comes to law) who is specilices in copyright and online stuff?

There is a filelocker registered in Ireland who ignores all DMCA and my patience is over.

myleene

Which filelocker is it?

JesseQuinn

hit up takedownpiracy

if that doesn't work, try the legal route with Corey Silverstein and/or Michael Fattorosi

both lawyers are US based and have no idea whether they'd charge you for a consult but worth exploring perhaps? at least to point you in the right direction

from what I recall from a music c/r thing quite a few years back Ireland is kinda hard core on this. could be wrong or outdated info but hopefully the three above help

good luck

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jerkygo

so yall waisting time and money on ppl who dont spent shit in the first place? the internet is based on so called "piracy" i think the whole theory about just because you cant find it for free you will then get the ppl to buy just because its not available for free anymore..doesnt work
thats also backed by a lot of independent studies
A lot of “pirates” simply drop off and don’t become customers.

true is also that these sites give you a lot of exposure they have massive traffic..which will lead to buyers
also these site owners are just sharing what your subscribers who paid for your shit share online
there is a reason why all these big cam sites directly buy of traffic

at the end of the day i think you fight a battle with no real return
and im sure most of you are just hypocritical you just care if it involves you but nobody can tell me they never watched a movie online or downloaded from napster, bearshare etc.

you act like these site owners are the devil..man they fill a demand ppl want shit for free..for many different reasons..you try to fight what you believe is the head of the problem..but the users who visit these sites are in the millions

also what i noticed in all these years..its better to have a lil control on 1 big mayor site and find a way to tae content down...then trying to take the site itself down..which then creates 100 smaller sites which you cant control anymore

JesseQuinn

yes, some ad co's deliver ads on overt piracy sites and they are a huge culpable part of the problem but I think what you're missing is the diff between 'static' porn and live interaction

yes cam feeds can be pirated and those ad co fuckers post ads all over those sites too, but truth is most major cam co's have it written into their contract that they control/own the performer's feed and many disseminate this stuff as a part of aff tools

it sucks and I consider it a violation of performer privacy but it can't replace the experience of enjoying a one on one personalized show

in terms of 'static' content, there is a salient diff between an occasional c/r vid posted on a pirate site (tbh on the performer end I don't bother with many, as long as spare on the domain and has my site watermark I consider it free advertising-sometimes) and a full site rip on a torrent

not a "waist" for peeps to pursue that. just teasing, I make spelling errors as well

I did get the entirety of one of my clips studios ripped once. everything. all for free, with my name that appeared on the 1st page of goog. oh yeah I was pissed and I got it taken down. didn't need a lawyer, just some tenacity. wasn't a torrent site, an actual indexed website with backlinks from all the usual suspects

more generally though, this thread is about porn producers who can't 'upsell' (for lack of a better word) from static to interactive and about more than just a lil clip stolen here and there. get what you mean by the many headed Hydra but one has to start somewhere

their paysites ARE their product. and they're supposed to be all lackadaisical 'whelp, some folk be cheap'? c'mon

good luck xxxclusive

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jerkygo

i was talking more about onlyfans and simillar sites..
but even on a smaller paysite..isnt it a customer who is leaking it after paying for it in the first place?

with cam sites i meant stripchat etc. they are buying ad spots directly from these sites because even though its all free on these sites this traffic still converts

and it almost doesnt matter with you are dealing with any mayor tube site..or big pay site..at some point they all made money with pirate content and still do

the google part i totally get which is probably also the route i would go to take these links off from google


i dont know if you followed the thothub lawsuit where a couple mayor onlyfans models filed a lawsuit against the site owner

the site owner took the site offline and as far as i now never got convicted of anything but it created a shithole because all of a sudden 100 other pages took over and as of today you have more onlyfans leaks sites than ever

JesseQuinn

oh for sure, and good on anyone who stands up for their (copy)rights, but yeah, hence the many headed Hydra ref above (cut one head off, two grow back in its place, a Greek myth thing)

the point is that on OF creators/performers/whatever upsell. subs to their feeds aren't how they make money but rather through upsells in the form of paid messages, private shows, custom vids. stuff that can't be pirated

what I mean by 'static' porn is not in regards to updates etc, but rather stuff where the video/pic set IS the product. steal that and...

think about a site like Zishy (I love it so), would be a sad panda if piracy made it economically unfeasible to continue. real people behind the camera. real people in front of the lens


was only when a friend of mine created her own (successful!) porn studio that I got a taste of how much time and co-ordination and expense goes into professional porn production. that is not like, 'feeling cute so miiight brush my hair and put on some lip gloss and do a JOI vid'. feel the difference?

a lot of paysites owned by creators have adapted in realizing content alone isn't enough to gain traction these days, can think of one specifically cuz she's my friend but not gonna name her here for obvs reasons. regardless, she's been around for while

someone steals her ish they can't replicate her and she can get it removed at least from goog easily (as you pointed out). for site rips she DMCAs the site and the host as well, aside from one really intractable site she's been successful

in my case, the host deleted the site. whole lotta clips studio catalogues from a bunch of peeps including some friends so I contacted them, asked for some support from those affected and too bad so sad for the thief. email deluge worked and content never went back up

at the very least removal from goog is important, we 100% agree there


in terms of ripping content?

yes, the customer can D/L for personal enjoyment, go crazy and perhaps transfer content onto a couple devices for easy access

but to steal?

no suh

giving away something of monetary value that one doesn't own or have the rights to distribute is stealing

there is an argument to be made that trad porn sites need to adapt to new conditions but in the here and now, working hard to create killer productions only to have them all appear on a site rip?

burn the pirate houses down

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jerkygo

im not into that whole paysites like zishy thing..but my general thing in this is that its just a theory that when you dont have access anymore to the pirated content that you then would pay for it..has been proven by studies not be true..the time and money you need to spent to takedown etc. is not worth return you get

in the onlyfans area the basic way how content gets online is a paid subscriber is leaking it onto a forum and then its get spread everywhere....so the usual onlyfans leak site owner is not the one who actually "stealing" it he is using whats already put online from someone else who paid for it.

in that siterip niche that might be different i guess they buy it themself with the intend to spread on their sites

also naming it stealing while its by definition not stealing...thats why they invented copyright infringment because it doesnt fall under the stealing laws

SpicyM

1. We are not saying that killing piracy sites will turn their visitors to paying customers, that won't happen. We are saying that the general decrease in freely accessbile porn (both legal and pirated) will increase the number of ppl paying for porn.

2. Piracy sites (which have tiny traffic compared to the top 3 legal ones btw) give us exposure to people that search for free full length videos = useless. Even the legal tubes have shitty traffic but they have millions of it, so it generates some sales, but 3/4 of it are shit.

3. Piracy is illegal and depending on the scale can lead to a criminal prosecution - no matter if the site owners just share what they found online, it still is illegal.

4. You are confusing surfers downloading pirated content to jerk off to (that's not even illegal) and thieves downloading content archives to create their own sites for money making purposes. Yes, the latter are the devil and the real problem. Site owners are free to "fill the demand" as long as they use legally licensed content.

5. Protecting my intellectual property means preventing thieving shitbags from making money from my hard work and my investment. Try content production and you will understand.

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xxxclusive

rapidgator, they ignore all DMCA's, not only mine but seems also from xtakedown and they represent Vixen.

I even forwarded this piracy case to MC with prove and they confirmed working on it, but that was half a year ago.

DMCA takedown services are shit as they just collect links and send DMCA emails (I do that better by my own with scripts), but don't enforce anything if pirates don't comply.

Contacted Fattorosi etc some time ago and their prices are insane, so no US lawyers pls. In EU lawyers have standard rates like 300 EUR for consulting and 100 EUR for a legal letter, which the culprits get charged for. But here I would prefer someone who is in the adult topic.

xxxclusive

lol got triggered lil shrink dicklet pirate? Sadly many believe your BS theory and therefore stay passive.

It isn't even mainly about money but simply to throw pirates stones in the way, what works pretty well from my experience. To do smth also feel really good, seeing thousands of links and files going within one minute while they needed hours to bring them up lol. Goal isn't to erradicate pirace, but to fight them and to bully them.

Link crawler scripts extract links fast and the rest is copy&paste into the DMCA email. Takes 1 minute.

And it works, my content was all over the place years ago and now just here and there and they don't upload it big style anymore as I hunt priates and they know my stuff is hot and not worth the hassle. I.e. porntrex doesn't even dare to upload my vids big style anymore for years.

"A lot of “pirates” simply drop off and don’t become customers."
You don't even have a tiny dicklet but are also a retard. The end users aren't pirates, but the ones ripping, uploading to create clicks or selling premium downloads like the file lockers and tubes.

The average users upload their favorite vids in small scale once in a while what isn't even harmful as it creates traffic.


"at the end of the day i think you fight a battle with no real return"
Beside monetary my return is already when I see hundreds of links and files gone, it's an emotional return as I won a small battle again.

I extract the links to filelocker, copy and paste into DMCA email and send it, the "work" a pirated spended an hour for I destroy within 1 minute. It's satisfying.


That's why I call out every content owner, get your fucking asses up and do smth just for sake of doing smth, it works as it annoys pirates if they have to upload the same files over and over again. They do business and the goal is to make their business harder and lower their profit margin.

xxxclusive

Ok so you run a porndude clone named jerkdude com

It's an open secret that pirate tubes link into your hubs and provide traffic, would even say you white wash piracy traffic with these hubs.

Stop this stupid monetary BS argument whining "mimimi pleaze don't fight my piracy *whine* *whine* the fighting is more expensive than my piracy! plz believe me I dindu nuffin! Truzt me bro" lol

No one with more than one brain cell buys this shit.

Others invested hard cash, time and resources to create this content. Buy stealing it and monetizing it by your own you lower the incentives for the creators to creatore more. I know many girls who gave up just because all their content is available for free next day, they are not emotionally stable enough to deal with it and it's a slap into their face when others utilize their work.

You are simply parasites with tiny dicklets and even smaller balls.

jerkygo

first of all is there any need for insulting?
do you talk in real life lie that with ppl whos opinions you dont like?

i think overall we talk about different topics my part was mainly about onlyfans content which i explained how that gets leaked and used on the onlyfans leaks sites.
if its about other full siterips site or similar to that. i said thats probably different but i dont know much about it.

and if you say illegal..its not illegal everywhere..there is a tons of countries who dont give a shit about copyright.

i totally get that when you create something and make a living from it that its fuced up to see it everywhere for free

my point was only if you spent much time and money on taking down things believing you get profit in return that this is probably not working..but again thats just my sense for onlyfans..if you do other kind of business that might be totally different. and again these site owners are not the pirates they spread it and maybe should be charged even higher..it wanst my point to leave them alone..was just explaining how this content gets leaked in the first place by a paying subscriber..which by denfinition is not stealing

jerkygo

i guess your choosen language tells a lot about your character because you like the words criminal and illegal so much..do you know that in most western countries that the wording you choose can be criminally charged? but let me guess you dont care

JesseQuinn

same with me, I have a template for DMCAs that I thankfully don't use too frequently, I do recall that many moons ago removeyourcontent (RIP) helped me out, along with a gfy'er I didn't really know but got in touch with through RYC, in getting an infringing site removed from the host and ad account terminated, all in a matter of days. the SERP stuff I did myself

my then-new site got killed in goog back when that ish mattered cuz someone copied everything on a subdomain of their more established site. all my blog posts and pages, all my pics, pretending to be me. even made a fake yahoo messenger acct soliciting show payments (that's how long ago this was, had really only gotten started in the biz venturing out solo)

wasn't just stealing from me, but also well-meaning potential clients meaning to pay me and getting scammed. talk about a huge ding in the reputation as solid/trustworthy I was tryna build

spent a couple weeks wanting to kill somebody and then reached out and the whole thing was over in a matter of days. in that instance a DMCA co made all the difference


yikes

so another route. def most DMCA co's are shit. everyone is in agreement on that. I've never worked with them personally but have heard from others that takedownpiracy are on the good side. worth a look, all I'm suggesting

believe me, I get your frustration. again, good luck with this

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myleene

Rapidgator?

They always do mine if send to:
[email protected]

If that doesn't work, email your DMCAs to them and Cc these:
[email protected]
[email protected]

If you have 3 legit DMCAs, follow #2 here:
https://www.mastercard.com/us/en/ant...cy-policy.html
(*) And email it to the same 3 above.

It is tedious, but they'll investigate and will get your content taken down.

I did that a few times with them... They always take down my content.

Never missed one again.

They even banned some users after I escalated with Mastercard.

myleene

100%.

I'm at +25k DMCAs both on Google and Bing and probably +50k DMCAs total (if sites take down, I don't send DMCAs to search engines).

I always escalate to the host, ad network, payment processor and now Ofcom or Arcom depending on where sites are located.

There are so few studios that protect their content... It's ridiculous.

myleene

I've never seen a legit customer upload content massively elsewhere.

It's always organized groups leaking stuff. Why would a legit customer take hours to upload 100s of videos he paid for on a tube?

1-2 videos... It could maybe be a customer... An entire site? Never.

JesseQuinn

Myleene wins this thread

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jerkygo

as i said it depends on what we are talking about..do we talk about onlyfans leaks? do you know that there are forums with millions of members who leak content everyday for which they paid? if you talk about siterip sites i guess you are 100% right..but in the onlyfans space and where these site owners get the videos from its mostly from these forums where in fact subscribers leak these contents..
in this space there is not need for 1 massive upload because thousands of ppl upload everyday..i mean its all in public i dont spill any secrets
and no they dont only leak the subscription stuff they also leak private stuff they paid for in dms where they spent shit tons of money...ppv etc.