Events I went in a shop today without my mask on!

[CurrentlySober]

It wasn't some kind of protest... I just completely forgot until I got to the self service tills and saw my face in the security screen !

I put it on straight away, yet no one in the shop had said anything to me, and I'm still alive, so I guess that's a good thing?

Have you ever forgotten? I feel so naughty now!

EDIT: Even the little 'Help' smiley looks like its putting on a mask!

[NatalieK]

Here in Spain, we´re all very hot on it, asap to getting out of the car, if not mask, fines are given.

I did forget once, on the door to lidl, the cashier pointed to her face, I said sorry and run back to the car with my hand over my face and put it on immediately, everyone reminds everyone if they forget, here

[SekobA]

I get warns all the time when i forget to put a mask its for all safety. My practice is to not wear it when there is noone near me

[Tasty1]

This is the start. Next there will be a 3 strike out. Forget it 3 times and you go to a re-education camp for 1 year.

[CurrentlySober]

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

I said sorry and run back to the car with my hand over my face and put it on immediately

Honestly - this seems ok and normal to you? Running around outside with your hand over your mouth so someone standing outdoors, 20 meters away from you doesn't catch covid from you? You've been heavily conditioned at this point if you are covering your mouth with your hand.

While I'm against it, I even understand inside a store, whatever, but outdoors is sick. We have that law here too - I don't wear it outdoors, and the fine is unconstitutional here.

[King Mark]

I went to the mall the other day and forgot my mask. Went in through Boscovs, went down an escalator to the men's section quick and was browsing around feeling like everybody was staring at me. Couldn't figure out why. I mean, I know I'm a handsome muh fucka, but I don't usually get stares like that. Felt myself getting irritated. Left out of Boscovs to the rest of the mall and then it hit me. Felt a little too free. Felt that cool mall breeze across my face I haven't felt in a while. Nobody said shit, but I went back in through Boscovs at a brisk pace, left out the door I came in, grabbed my mask from my jeep and went back into the mall through a different entrance like nothing happened.

Enjoyed the rest of my day.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Honestly - this seems ok and normal to you? Running around outside with your hand over your mouth so someone standing outdoors, 20 meters away from you doesn't catch covid from you? You've been heavily conditioned at this point if you are covering your mouth with your hand.

While I'm against it, I even understand inside a store, whatever, but outdoors is sick. We have that law here too - I don't wear it outdoors, and the fine is unconstitutional here.

if you look up her/ his posts on this forum, you will quickly realize that reasoning with him/her is useless. Just like with "Rochard".

[ruff]

I wear a mask, it's not a big deal. I've forgotten it a few times. I go back and put it on. I'm vaccinated but still don't want to carry the virus to get someone else sick. Probably wear it for a while, can't hurt. We hardly had a flu season this year because of masks. If you want to make a statement about masks that's fine. Maybe you will get lucky and stay healthy. Maybe.

[candyflip]

I wear it to save some busy body from being punched in the nose. I live 30 miles outside of the city, there are plenty of places I go where people aren't wearing them and don't fear being harassed. But I wear it for that one I know won't like getting in my face.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by ruff

We hardly had a flu season this year because of masks.

I don't think that would be the case. Given that surgical masks filter up to 300nm, so much bigger then both, and many people wore cloth masks that filter even less realistically, it stands to reason that masks are even more ineffective at filtering the flu then COVID. Increased hand washing and disinfection as well as social distancing would logically also defend against both.

"Influenza type A viruses are very similar in structure to influenza viruses types B, C, and D.[19] The virus particle (also called the virion) is 80–120 nanometers in diameter such that the smallest virions adopt an elliptical shape."

"The virus responsible for COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, is in the species SARS-like corona viruses. At 125 nm, it is slightly larger than influenza, SARS and MERS viruses."

[celandina]

Here in Czech Republic it is compulsory here everywhere inside and outside. More then 60 % do not bother. Yesterday, I went to have a new battery installed, maybe 10 mechanics coming and going NOT a single mask, and when I asked, I was told :" We do not bother here" . Right now the Czechs are worse in the World on per capita "everything". 16,000 new cases 250 dead and 9,000 in hospitals in the last 24h all is collapsing but the idiots do not give a shit other then protesting for their fucking freedom to die and infect others. It is soul crushing

[rastan]

I had to pop in to go get a new pack of masks. I explained to the security guy and he was very good about it - he just gave me one of theirs and asked me to wear that. Good lad

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by celandina

Here in Czech Republic it is compulsory here everywhere inside and outside. More then 60 % do not bother. Yesterday, I went to have a new battery installed, maybe 10 mechanics coming and going NOT a single mask, and when I asked, I was told :" We do not bother here" . Right now the Czechs are worse in the World on per capita "everything". 16,000 new cases 250 dead and 9,000 in hospitals in the last 24h all is collapsing but the idiots do not give a shit other then protesting for their fucking freedom to die and infect others. It is soul crushing

Why is it soul crushing when masks have been proven time and time again to do nothing? Fauci in the US said not to wear masks, they do nothing. Many studies show they do nothing. American CDC recently even said that they have very little effect on COVID infections. Poland government said not to wear masks they do nothing. Then they decide everyone must wear masks, even cloth ones are good. Now suddenly cloth ones do nothing and everyone must wear medical masks - all the while virus is 1/3rd the size of minimum filtration of medical mask. Where is credibility if for 1 year cloth mask is ok but suddenly it is not? It is all a fucking joke. I'm not even saying as some conspiracy to "dehumanize" etc, I honestly thing some politicians and their friends are making money from selling masks. If someone coughs on your medical mask, even if virus does not immediately penetrate then it will be sitting there in water mist and it will pass mask from suction when you breath.

It is a virus, not radiation.

Mask is great if you are sick. If you sneeze, cough, etc it stops so much of the "mist" from escaping and travelling. However, if you are not sick, you are not sneezing and coughing then it is really doing nothing. Studies have shown that people with no symptoms do not spread the virus. Everyone has seen all the gifs and videos of "how masks protect everyone" - think about what you are looking at - a thermal camera. It is very obvious when you breath out the air heats up.

For years we have all lived without masks, flu existed, people coughed, people touched things, we washed hands much less frequently. This is all going to end with common cold killing people because we will not have immunity to anything.

Just live like normal human and not in fear, running to car in shame covering your mouth with hand because you forgot piece of useless cloth to cover your healthy mouth.

[Look Chang]

I like to wear a cheap and smelly mask...

[celandina]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Why is it soul crushing when masks have been proven time and time again to do nothing? Fauci in the US said not to wear masks, they do nothing. Many studies show they do nothing. American CDC recently even said that they have very little effect on COVID infections. Poland government said not to wear masks they do nothing. Then they decide everyone must wear masks, even cloth ones are good. Now suddenly cloth ones do nothing and everyone must wear medical masks - all the while virus is 1/3rd the size of minimum filtration of medical mask. Where is credibility if for 1 year cloth mask is ok but suddenly it is not? It is all a fucking joke. I'm not even saying as some conspiracy to "dehumanize" etc, I honestly thing some politicians and their friends are making money from selling masks. If someone coughs on your medical mask, even if virus does not immediately penetrate then it will be sitting there in water mist and it will pass mask from suction when you breath.

It is a virus, not radiation.

Mask is great if you are sick. If you sneeze, cough, etc it stops so much of the "mist" from escaping and travelling. However, if you are not sick, you are not sneezing and coughing then it is really doing nothing. Studies have shown that people with no symptoms do not spread the virus. Everyone has seen all the gifs and videos of "how masks protect everyone" - think about what you are looking at - a thermal camera. It is very obvious when you breath out the air heats up.

For years we have all lived without masks, flu existed, people coughed, people touched things, we washed hands much less frequently. This is all going to end with common cold killing people because we will not have immunity to anything.

Just live like normal human and not in fear, running to car in shame covering your mouth with hand because you forgot piece of useless cloth to cover your healthy mouth.

You can't fix stupid

[Klen]

Originally Posted by celandina

Here in Czech Republic it is compulsory here everywhere inside and outside. More then 60 % do not bother. Yesterday, I went to have a new battery installed, maybe 10 mechanics coming and going NOT a single mask, and when I asked, I was told :" We do not bother here" . Right now the Czechs are worse in the World on per capita "everything". 16,000 new cases 250 dead and 9,000 in hospitals in the last 24h all is collapsing but the idiots do not give a shit other then protesting for their fucking freedom to die and infect others. It is soul crushing

I noticed same, and i started to wonder i am idiot for wearing mask outside considering half people outside dont have it at all, and police doesn't seems to be bothered with it . Tho, at-least they deployed "crowd control " on naplavka lol . So in shortly, the reason why CZ in this situation, is lack of enforcement - either the lack of local control, and also probably only country in europe which dont have any kind of border control.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Klen

I noticed same, and i started to wonder i am idiot for wearing mask outside considering half people outside dont have it at all, and police doesn't seems to be bothered with it . Tho, at-least they deployed "crowd control " on naplavka lol . So in shortly, the reason why CZ in this situation, is lack of enforcement - either the lack of local control, and also probably only country in europe which dont have any kind of border control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8bw_r_i3Ew

They seem to be enforcing it - they clearly felt the need to traumatize a child for life because her father was walking down an apparently empty street with a piece of paper over his mouth. They had him in a headlock, clearly in an attempt to help him breath better

As for masks, wear them all you want but here is a recent study published by the CDC from March 12th, 2021 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...mm7010e3-H.pdf

During March 1–December 31, 2020, state-issued mask mandates applied in 2,313 (73.6%) of the 3,142 U.S. counties. Mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease (p = 0.02) in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 1–20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 percentage points 21–40, 41–60, 61–80, and 81–100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all) Mask mandates were associated with a 0.7 percentage point decrease (p = 0.03) in daily COVID-19 death growth rates 1–20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, and 1.9 percentage points 21–40, 41–60, 61–80, and 81–100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all). Daily case and death growth rates before implementation of mask mandates were not statistically different from the reference period

The impact of masks on COVID growth rates is 1.32%, and realistically much lower then that.

[ruff]

Have any of you ever seen an individual vaping? Not dope but some kind of tobacco product. Have you seen the cloud that disburses when that person exhales? It is huge. I've seen people vaping in cars and the cloud that comes out of their car is massive. Imagine them vaping in a room or walking in the street. Now imagine they have COVID-19 and it's all in that vape exhaust. Take a deep breath. Would you rather have a mask on or a mask off? We're talking common sense here. Of course, masks work, maybe not perfectly, but better than nothing. This mask debate is Darwinism, don't be on the wrong side of natural selection.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by ruff

Have any of you ever seen an individual vaping? Not dope but some kind of tobacco product. Have you seen the cloud that disburses when that person exhales? It is huge. I've seen people vaping in cars and the cloud that comes out of their car is massive. Imagine them vaping in a room or walking in the street. Now imagine they have COVID-19 and it's all in that vape exhaust. Take a deep breath. Would you rather have a mask on or a mask off? We're talking common sense here. Of course, masks work, maybe not perfectly, but better than nothing. This mask debate is Darwinism, don't be on the wrong side of natural selection.

That's not the best analogy. Unless you're wearing some real mask like for spray painting or something, you're gonna still smell and taste that vape even when wearing a mask man, maybe marginally less. If you can smell it, you are inhaling it anyways.

Let me give you an opposing analogy and an explanation. Lets say we're in a room together, and I fart. My fart stinks initially, but after a while you stop smelling it. You would still of course smell it with a mask on initially as well, but that's not my point. My point is - you stopped smelling my fart, but did my fart go away? It did not. What happened? Diffusion. My fart mixed into more air that was in the room, and diffused to a point where the smell of it was no longer detectable - but the fart is still there. Now another scenario - I fart, you smell it, you crack open a window. You can no longer smell it. Did my fart vanish? Alas, It did not. Thanks to diffusion, all of outdoors now has my fart in it, and everyone will breath it in regardless of their mask.

None the less, the numbers and statistics do not lie - the masks are effectively useless. Social distancing, hand washing, staying away from crowds, staying home if you are sick or coughing - absolutely - but wearing a mask, especially outdoors, is absolutely useless.

[baodb]

Since none of us here (presumably) is a scientist expert on this topic we all are just repeating whatever we have been told (or chose to believe).

The fact is that every study shows a marginal impact from masks if worn correctly. Is that marginal impact worth the trillions of dollars spent on masks? the billions of tons of trash? Rational people will probably come to the conclusion that it isn't.

When we picture in that most people do not wear masks correctly, even one year into this shit, then the marginal impact becomes even less of argument compared to the downsides.

Masks to me feel a lot like airport security, its there and people are encouraged to believe it helps. But all it really does is make us feel safe when we aren't.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Lets say we're in a room together, and I fart. My fart stinks...

Keep going man... This is good stuff

Please say that you 'followed through' as well ???

fap,fap,fap...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by baodb

Since none of us here (presumably) is a scientist expert on this topic we all are just repeating whatever we have been told (or chose to believe).

The fact is that every study shows a marginal impact from masks if worn correctly. Is that marginal impact worth the trillions of dollars spent on masks? the billions of tons of trash? Rational people will probably come to the conclusion that it isn't.

When we picture in that most people do not wear masks correctly, even one year into this shit, then the marginal impact becomes even less of argument compared to the downsides.

Masks to me feel a lot like airport security, its there and people are encouraged to believe it helps. But all it really does is make us feel safe when we aren't.

In all fairness, N95 or N99 masks do work - they filter smaller then COVID - BUT on a longer scale you can't really breath in them. My wife used an N99 at work for a while and had migraines every day. Even in the vaping example, the vape will land on the surgical or cloth mask and you will suck in the virus through the mask when you breath. Also realistically with some people usign the same single-use surgical mask for weeks

Here's a cool visualization of how much trash these masks are producing. 3 million masks are tossed out per minute. https://www.straitstimes.com/multime...dex.html?shell

[EddyTheDog]

I have only worn one twice and that was on public transport - New Zealand rulze!..

[baodb]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

In all fairness, N95 or N99 masks do work - they filter smaller then COVID - BUT on a longer scale you can't really breath in them. My wife used an N99 at work for a while and had migraines every day. Even in the vaping example, the vape will land on the surgical or cloth mask and you will suck in the virus through the mask when you breath. Also realistically with some people usign the same single-use surgical mask for weeks

Here's a cool visualization of how much trash these masks are producing. 3 million masks are tossed out per minute.

Sure they work if you have the right one and use it correct. But that is not the case most of the time and as you said the trash produced is immense.

In the end you can do anything if you are willing to put enough effort in it. But normally people benchmark anticipated outcome against input and then decide if its worth it. That evaluation seemingly has not been applied to covid and masks.

[EddyTheDog]

Anything you put over your face will help - The question is how effective does it have to be to be worth it? - When you are talking hundreds of millions of people it all counts - 0.5% or 50% or 100%...

Quick math - If it is just 0.5% and the survival rate is 99.8% the lives saved in the US alone would be approx 4,000 - That's with 2 in a 1000 dying.....

More deaths than 9/11...

That's if masks help by just half of one percent!....

EDIT: I rounded figures up and down - It's approx.....

[baodb]

Sorry but that is just scientifically not true, you can not put anything over your face and it helps.

Your math... don't get where your numbers come from. maybe explain it a bit better so that we can understand the formula you use there.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by ruff

We hardly had a flu season this year because of masks.

That doesn't make any sense.

Why would masks stop the flu but not covid. Both virus' are airborne and both are around the same size.

The reason we didn't have much of a flu season is because people didn't travel and so the flu virus (which comes to us from Asia and Australia) didn't get the chance to spread like it usually does.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by mopek1

The reason we didn't have much of a flu season is because people didn't travel and so the flu virus (which comes to us from Asia and Australia) didn't get the chance to spread like it usually does.

I think the more likely cause is that PCR tests are shit for this. People are still travelling all over.

I don't think there is such thing as asymptomatic COVID. I think there are people with varying levels of the virus in them, including not enough to make them sick. The PCR test detects any amount of virus - so it cannot be ruled out that someone had a cold or a flu, went and got tested, PCR came back positive but it wasn't really the COVID making them sick. We cannot reasonably believe that we stopped Influenza, a virus that has been with us for centuries if not millennia, in a year by wearing masks that cannot possibly filter it.