So who here has the biggest subreddit?

[Retiree]

Brag away...

[trevesty]

I don't think anyone who has big sub-reddits is going to post them or about them here.

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I don't think anyone who has big sub-reddits is going to post them or about them here.

I remember a thread where people were asked to show their tumblrs. All of them were shut down within a couple of days of posting.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I don't think anyone who has big sub-reddits is going to post them or about them here.

No names or URLs needed, just the amount of subscribers.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Retiree

No names or URLs needed, just the amount of subscribers.

And the point would be....?

If they're actually big, what benefit do they get? GFY guy gives them some kudos?

Yay.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

I remember a thread where people were asked to show their tumblrs. All of them were shut down within a couple of days of posting.

Yep. I've seen all kinds of shit get reported by the beer money dweebs and other trolls on here over the years.

[fuzebox]

How is a subreddit worth bragging about?

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Retiree

Brag away...

We have a few over 100k each.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

How is a subreddit worth bragging about?

There's nothing to brag about.

You'll get better results buying traffic from a Nigerian email scammer. The only thing that
might make some money is crypto but for porn Reddit has got to be the absolute worst
traffic there is of all the social media platforms available.

Reddit is only marginally better than MeWe and that's not saying much

• Power tripping super mods that are stoned

• Children... mountains of children

• Trolls taking offense to everything constantly trying to cancel everyone for shits and giggles.

• 3rd world net geeks without money looking for girlfriends

• Spam bots, upvote bots and astroturfers by the ton.

• Freeloaders... millions of freeloaders

Reddit is great if you're selling crypto, sharing your gender transition story or campaigning for some socialist
politician but it's a waste of time for anyone trying to make money from porn.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

We have a few over 100k each.




There's nothing to brag about.

You'll get better results buying traffic from a Nigerian email scammer. The only thing that
might make some money is crypto but for porn Reddit has got to be the absolute worst
traffic there is of all the social media platforms available.

Reddit is only marginally better than MeWe and that's not saying much

• Power tripping super mods that are stoned

• Children... mountains of children

• Trolls taking offense to everything constantly trying to cancel everyone for shits and giggles.

• 3rd world net geeks without money looking for girlfriends

• Spam bots, upvote bots and astroturfers by the ton.

• Freeloaders... millions of freeloaders

Reddit is great if you're selling crypto, sharing your gender transition story or campaigning for some socialist
politician but it's a waste of time for anyone trying to make money from porn.

Interresting point, I heard the exact opposite, as reddit being a goldmine for adult traffic. I guess it depends on what people promote, if its a paysite, dating, webcams, etc...it must be worth something, since the whole world is on it. Just need to figure out what works and what doesn't, I guess.

What social media has the best traffic for adult in your opinion? FB seems to be dead, IG too strict with anything even closely related to nudity, so it only leaves us Twitter?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Retiree

reddit being a goldmine for adult traffic

There's no way this is true.

I guess we should define what a "goldmine" looks like.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

There's no way this is true.

I guess we should define what a "goldmine" looks like.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Retiree

What social media has the best traffic for adult in your opinion?

None of them are any good. However, I had to chose one it would be Instagram.
On the other hand, Reddit is the worst of all the social media platforms.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

There's no way this is true.

I guess we should define what a "goldmine" looks like.

Well, as for branding purposes, I can't see whats wrong with exposing a brand to millions of people for very little money.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Retiree

Well, as for branding purposes, I can't see whats wrong with exposing a brand to millions of people for very little money.

In the long term, having **millions** of people peruse your product and never spend a dime
cheapens its value and destroys a good reputation.

The best analogy I can think of is that it's like selling luxury cars but everyone sees them as
as public transit.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

In the long term, having **millions** of people peruse your product and never spend a dime
cheapens its value and destroys a good reputation.

The best analogy I can think of is that it's like selling luxury cars but everyone sees them as
as public transit.

Well, depends what you sale and even within that category the quality matters. Look at pornhub...why would anyone still buy porn now? But they do. And thats porn...probably the hardest thing to convert right now. And then there are products you can show everyone, but they can never use them to the fullest when not spending a dime. Doesn't Reddit have like 50 million visits every day? Thats a lot of possibilities.

So with the right product and marketing, its basically like showing everyone luxury cars, but not letting them use them, if they don't pay.

[Nicky]

Onlyfans girls probably do ok on reddit but self promotion as a model is much easier on social media than trying to sell someone a paysite.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Onlyfans girls probably do ok on reddit but self promotion as a model is much easier on social media than trying to sell someone a paysite.

Yeah, people are definitely looking for something personal...they rather send money to a "model", so they can be connected with her in some way, than to a random website just full with random videos, with no stories or soul.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Retiree

Well, depends what you sale and even within that category the quality matters. Look at pornhub...why would anyone still buy porn now?.

I sell a ton of porn and most of it is mail order.
And, financially I have no complaints with my level of success.


People still buy porn and the best **conversion** ratios anyone will find are with
face-to-face interaction with potential customers.

Social media is a global plague of freeloaders, politics, 3rd world bums and censorship
Reddit is the worst choice of bad options.

Originally Posted by Nicky

Onlyfans girls probably do ok on reddit but self promotion as a model is much easier on social media than trying to sell someone a paysite.

Again define **OK**

OnlyFans appears to becoming a decent place to scout women for paid porn scenes.

The reason is that they're not making very much money. On the average, a girl
probably will make more money working with a producer for one single scene than
she will an entire month on OnlyFans.

Some of these OnlyFans girls get mountains of traffic and all they get is their time
wasted.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

I sell a ton of porn and most of it is mail order.
And, financially I have no complaints with my level of success.

Well, this gives me hope for the porn industry. If mail order is still making money in this day and age, then there is hope for everyone. Not joking.

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

People still buy porn and the best **conversion** ratios anyone will find are with face-to-face interaction with potential customers.

This I don't get. Why would anyone want to buy porn face-to-face?

Except real sex, of course. lol

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

Again define **OK**

OnlyFans appears to becoming a decent place to scout women for paid porn scenes.

The reason is that they're not making very much money. On the average, a girl
probably will make more money working with a producer for one single scene than
she will an entire month on OnlyFans.

Some of these OnlyFans girls get mountains of traffic and all they get is their time
wasted.

It's of course subjective as to what is OK. Some girls make bank some make less than on welfare ofc. My main take was it's probably easier to make money through reddit as a onlyfans girl than pushing a regular paysite.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky

It's of course subjective as to what is OK. Some girls make bank some make less than on welfare ofc. My main take was it's probably easier to make money through reddit as a onlyfans girl than pushing a regular paysite.

There's ALWAYS someone making **bank** but the overwhelming vast majority aren't
earning enough to buy groceries.

15 years ago in the porn industry the girl making a ton of money was fucking a producer
that worked for Wicked, Sin City, etc.

And I know from 1st hand personal experience and interactions that really hasn't changed
all that much.

Today any girl making **bank** is either fucking or giving free shows to someone that's
part of platform's administration.

It's always going to be like Hollywood.... Do the casting couch or get used to being an extra.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

There's ALWAYS someone making **bank** but the overwhelming vast majority aren't
earning enough to buy groceries.

15 years ago in the porn industry the girl making a ton of money was fucking a producer
that worked for Wicked, Sin City, etc.

And I know from 1st hand personal experience and interactions that really hasn't changed
all that much.

Today any girl making **bank** is either fucking or giving free shows to someone that's
part of platform's administration.

It's always going to be like Hollywood.... Do the casting couch or get used to being an extra.

Sure. My take wasn't really about how much money anyone is making. Just that it's easier to make money from reddit as a onlyfans girl than pushing a paysite.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Sure. My take wasn't really about how much money anyone is making. Just that it's easier to make money from reddit as a onlyfans girl than pushing a paysite.

I'm not trying to be an asshole troll....

But if you want to follow that logic then it's even easier begging for money at a highway exit.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

OnlyFans appears to becoming a decent place to scout women for paid porn scenes.

The reason is that they're not making very much money. On the average, a girl
probably will make more money working with a producer for one single scene than
she will an entire month on OnlyFans.

Some of these OnlyFans girls get mountains of traffic and all they get is their time
wasted.

OF girls are shooting with traditional pay sites for the reach. The same reason porn stars strip / escort - brand recognition (and higher rates for these two because of it).

Some of the OF girls aren't "shooting" content for the pay sites directly - they're just selling them scenes.

Sure, maybe some "average" girls don't make $1k / mo on OF. But I know of some local country girls with a pretty low key OF doing $10k / mo and they don't have any clue what they're doing compared to girls like Amouranth, Belle Delphine, etc., who rake in millions per month.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Sure. My take wasn't really about how much money anyone is making. Just that it's easier to make money from reddit as a onlyfans girl than pushing a paysite.

"Pushing" a pay site on Reddit should be more about brand recognition / type ins rather than direct, trackable sales (ie., submitting tour links or so).

Done this way, it can be very effective. But I only know of a couple who do it fairly well.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by trevesty

OF girls are shooting with traditional pay sites for the reach. The same reason porn stars strip / escort - brand recognition (and higher rates for these two because of it).

Some of the OF girls aren't "shooting" content for the pay sites directly - they're just selling them scenes.

Sure, maybe some "average" girls don't make $1k / mo on OF. But I know of some local country girls with a pretty low key OF doing $10k / mo and they don't have any clue what they're doing compared to girls like Amouranth, Belle Delphine, etc., who rake in millions per month.

As I said...

There's ALWAYS someone making money but the 99% don't earn enough to pay for groceries

You can bang a nail into a wall with your head if you're determined enough but you'll probably better off putting your effort in to something more productive.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

As I said...

There's ALWAYS someone making money but the 99% don't earn enough to pay for groceries

You can bang a nail into a wall with your head if you're determined enough but you'll probably better off putting your effort in to something more productive.

99% is quite the stretch.

But whatever you say.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

I'm not trying to be an asshole troll....

But if you want to follow that logic then it's even easier begging for money at a highway exit.

I was under the impression the discussion was about reddit though ;)

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by trevesty

99% is quite the stretch.

But whatever you say.

Well then how much???

I've got no hesitations admitting that my comments in this discussion are based on my +20
years experience in front and behind the camera and also my interactions with talent that
are (or have been) on OnlyFans.

This is just a conversation and we don't have to agree... I'm curious to know what your
opinion is on the percentage of OnlyFans girls that earn enough in a month to buy groceries?

My contention is that the *big bucks dream* promised by OnlyFans is a just a bunch of hype.

Originally Posted by Nicky

I was under the impression the discussion was about reddit though ;)

It mostly is...
All I'm pointing out is that someone will probably have more success panhandling than trying
to market themselves on Reddit.

[emmasexytime]

I have a few

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

Well then how much???

I've got no hesitations admitting that my comments in this discussion are based on my +20
years experience in front and behind the camera and also my interactions with talent that
are (or have been) on OnlyFans.

This is just a conversation and we don't have to agree... I'm curious to know what your
opinion is on the percentage of OnlyFans girls that earn enough in a month to buy groceries?

My contention is that the *big bucks dream* promised by OnlyFans is a just a bunch of hype.

Your experience is awesome, but there's levels to this shit. Let's be honest here - you're not some super well known and well regarded director / producer (or even talent), so even the "level" of talent who's going to talk shop with you openly is pretty slim. There's a guy who's based out of my area (ish) who's been "in front of and behind the camera" since the mid 90's technically, but he doesn't know shit - he sells "homemade" DVDs to local adult stores featuring strippers from the area and that's all he's ever done.

"Big bucks dream" is only hype to anyone who isn't willing to work for it, regardless of the subject matter. Being an affiliate + working for yourself selling porn sounds like hype to someone who's been at it for a few years and still only make $500-$1k / mo, but then there's a whole lot of us who make that before lunch, too.. however we worked for it.

I have no idea who is on OF and doesn't make enough to buy groceries. I don't pay attention to bottom feeders - it doesn't add to my revenue in any way. But I am privy to the revenue of a couple very small OF competitors as a whole who has mostly nobody models on there, and they could probably buy a couple small grocery stores.

There's a 7 figure market that exists just to do shout outs on OF / IG / Twitter for models. The public facing ones like Sophie Dee's platform, then what occurs strictly in DM's / e-mail.

I have personal friends outside of the industry whose significant others have sold used panties on Reddit in between jobs for pretty serious coin.

Then there's the fact that if you want any of the 3-400 or so top OF models to move to your platform, you're going to pay anywhere from $100k - $2-3 million upfront (depending on their reach), then a pretty decent cut.. just to guarantee x amount of posts from them.

But yes, the chick that's sorta ok looking (but a goddess in her hometown of Hickville, USA) and only does 3-4 posts every few months + treats potential customers like shit probably can't buy groceries from OF.. or camming.. or anything similar, because of their own personality traits (or lack thereof); not because OF is "hype". That's just woe is me, cry baby shit.

As far as an exact %, who cares? It's definitely not 99% who don't make enough to buy groceries - maybe that's more reflective of who you talk to rather than the operation as a whole.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by trevesty

"Big bucks dream" is only hype to anyone who isn't willing to work for it, regardless of the subject matter. Being an affiliate + working for yourself selling porn sounds like hype to someone who's been at it for a few years and still only make $500-$1k / mo, but then there's a whole lot of us who make that before lunch, too.. however we worked for it.

I have no idea who is on OF and doesn't make enough to buy groceries. I don't pay attention to bottom feeders - it doesn't add to my revenue in any way. But I am privy to the revenue of a couple very small OF competitors as a whole who has mostly nobody models on there, and they could probably buy a couple small grocery stores.

There's a 7 figure market that exists just to do shout outs on OF / IG / Twitter for models. The public facing ones like Sophie Dee's platform, then what occurs strictly in DM's / e-mail.

I have personal friends outside of the industry whose significant others have sold used panties on Reddit in between jobs for pretty serious coin.

Then there's the fact that if you want any of the 3-400 or so top OF models to move to your platform, you're going to pay anywhere from $100k - $2-3 million upfront (depending on their reach), then a pretty decent cut.. just to guarantee x amount of posts from them.

But yes, the chick that's sorta ok looking (but a goddess in her hometown of Hickville, USA) and only does 3-4 posts every few months + treats potential customers like shit probably can't buy groceries from OF.. or camming.. or anything similar, because of their own personality traits (or lack thereof); not because OF is "hype". That's just woe is me, cry baby shit.

As far as an exact %, who cares? It's definitely not 99% who don't make enough to buy groceries - maybe that's more reflective of who you talk to rather than the operation as a whole.

The question is do you make 6 or 7 figures?

My business is small and I have 3 business partners and 3 employees. (I'm the face most
people see) Prior to our move, my tax returns were on a 6 figure amount.

My point is that unless someone is earning 6 or 7 figures and interacting with others that
do... Then all their talk about some endeavor/venture tends to be a reiteration of the
hype being used to sell it.

So I'll stand behind what I've already said....
99% of the people on OnlyFans don't earn enough in a month to buy groceries.

Originally Posted by trevesty

Your experience is awesome, but there's levels to this shit. Let's be honest here - you're not some super well known and well regarded director / producer (or even talent),

Well, I'll tell you what..

Here's a hint... I've spent +15 years outside of the United States. I only come back to the
America because of Covid.

Everyone is welcome to do their research on me if they're curious. I like to compartmentalize
things but equally, I'm also not trying to hide.

However, in a way you're partially right.
I'll admit that in way you're right because my career has been focused more on the money
than on the notoriety.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

The question is do you make 6 or 7 figures?

My business is small and I have 3 business partners and 3 employees. (I'm the face most
people see) Prior to our move, my tax returns were on a 6 figure amount.



LOL

Here's a hint... I've spent +15 years outside of the United States. I only come back to the
America because of Covid.

Everyone is welcome to do their research on me if they're curious. I like to compartmentalize
things but equally, I'm also not trying to hide.



However, in a way you're partially right.
I'll admit that in way you're right because my career has been focused more on the money
than on the notoriety.

It's interesting that you chose to focus on that part of my reply.

Anyway, none of what you said changes at all my point - or even addresses it (which is why it's hilarious that you chose to be defensive rather than discuss the subject matter). The point still is that there's levels to this shit, and you're apparently not talking to anyone who makes any real money via Reddit and/or OF.. otherwise you wouldn't be saying what you've said in this thread.

Though one thing you said is partially true - a lot of mods do "gate keep" on big sub-reddits.

I cannot stress enough how little I care about where you've lived or what your tax returns allegedly say. For someone who doesn't care about notoriety, you sure spent a whole lot of time ignoring the subject matter and instead trying to make yourself look good.



Definitely don't care about how people perceive you.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by trevesty

It's interesting that you chose to focus on that part of my reply.

Anyway, none of what you said changes at all my point - or even addresses it (which is why it's hilarious that you chose to be defensive rather than discuss the subject matter). The point still is that there's levels to this shit, and you're apparently not talking to anyone who makes any real money via Reddit and/or OF.. otherwise you wouldn't be saying what you've said in this thread.

Though one thing you said is partially true - a lot of mods do "gate keep" on big sub-reddits.

I cannot stress enough how little I care about where you've lived or what your tax returns allegedly say. For someone who doesn't care about notoriety, you sure spent a whole lot of time ignoring the subject matter and instead trying to make yourself look good.



Definitely don't care about how people perceive you.

My twitter account sat dormant for perhaps 10 years and I only just now started using it again.
Honestly, it's just never been all that important to what I do.


We were having a conversation and you started the trolling.
Now we can talk even if we disagree... We can do business even if we disagree

But it's these Internet troll games that cause problems. I'm not looking to be doxxed or
get into some character assassination war.

I'm showing my age but I had enough of that crap back in the KSEX and Gene Ross days.

If that's the stuff you want to do then I capitulate and you're the winner.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck in all your endeavors.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

We were having a conversation and you started the trolling.

The only troll in this thread is you.

[Retiree]

After testing reddit for just a few days, I am impressed...the amount of traffic one can get is just unbelievable...pornhub is a mini site compared to this. And those who say its just freeloaders, you might be selling a bad product.

[Fenris Wolf]

Originally Posted by Retiree

After testing reddit for just a few days, I am impressed...the amount of traffic one can get is just unbelievable...pornhub is a mini site compared to this. And those who say its just freeloaders, you might be selling a bad product.

Thumbs up.

[chimpchomp01]

Fairly easy to get them growing by around 10k a month with the right cross-posting list. And they can be good passive earners once above the 60k mark. They don't seem to mind affiliate links too much as long as you are not botting or rigging their system in anyway.

[andy erotic]

This forum is going to shit. So much empty drama.

[mainstreammix]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

How is a subreddit worth bragging about?

Mine made me well into 7 figures over the years with literally 0 work.

[mainstreammix]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

There's no way this is true.

I guess we should define what a "goldmine" looks like.

It also requires some sense, you put obvious ads in front of reddit users and you ain't selling shit.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

It's always going to be like Hollywood.... Do the casting couch or get used to being an extra.

That's complete nonsense; from someone who has clearly never auditioned for a Hollywood movie.

Hollywood is real big biz and there is just not time for "fucking your way into a part".
A legit casting office in Hollywood is full of people and no place to fuck.

And just think for a second; do you think somebody wanted to fuck Whoopi Goldberg bad enough to make her a movie star?




Bottom line : Is Bree Olson a "Hollywood movie star"?

[KrisKross]

C'mon man, are you saying you wouldn't fuck Whoopi?