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redwhiteandblue · 06-26-2022, 11:56 PM

Fiddy ropey Pornhubs.

fastball · 06-27-2022, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It wasn’t just tubesites.. these fuckers destroyed the adult affiliate industry because they bought up all the sites then stopped updating them and banged the fuck out of the end users credit cards. They took the profits and bought out site after site repeating this process until they destroyed The entire industry.

That is pretty much what happened. But it didn't quite destroy it. A lot of us are still doing well. But we would have been doing much better if the thieves hadn't been welcomed in the back door.

MaDalton · 06-27-2022, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It wasn’t just tubesites.. these fuckers destroyed the adult affiliate industry because they bought up all the sites then stopped updating them and banged the fuck out of the end users credit cards. They took the profits and bought out site after site repeating this process until they destroyed The entire industry.

I think you are confusing this with Deecash...

Mindgeek, at least in the times with Fabian, had cleaned up their tubes quite a bit, licensed a shit ton of content and paid very good money to producers for custom content.

When Fabian was out, it started to go downhill

But Deecash never even made the attempt to keep the sites going, he just took the credit card numbers and fucked the shit out of them

fastball · 06-27-2022, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you are confusing this with Deecash...

Mindgeek, at least in the times with Fabian, had cleaned up their tubes quite a bit, licensed a shit ton of content and paid very good money to producers for custom content.

When Fabian was out, it started to go downhill

But Deecash never even made the attempt to keep the sites going, he just took the credit card numbers and fucked the shit out of them

Damn Canadians.

fastball · 06-27-2022, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you are confusing this with Deecash...

Mindgeek, at least in the times with Fabian, had cleaned up their tubes quite a bit, licensed a shit ton of content and paid very good money to producers for custom content.

When Fabian was out, it started to go downhill

But Deecash never even made the attempt to keep the sites going, he just took the credit card numbers and fucked the shit out of them

Not entirely true. Listen to the Financial Times Hot Money podcast. It is all there./

MaDalton · 06-28-2022, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Not entirely true. Listen to the Financial Times Hot Money podcast. It is all there./

Does it contain proof that during Fabians tenure he was responsible for credit card banging?

Cause all I can say is based on my personal experience while Fabian was at the helm.

I knew the people before him (Sammy etc), they were a lot more "flexible" than Fabian.

And when Fabian was gone, a certain someone from this industry made sure we were removed from shooting for Mindgeek. (maybe I will be writing memoirs one day...)

And I have no idea what happened after that.

NoWhErE · 06-28-2022, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I think you are confusing this with Deecash...

Mindgeek, at least in the times with Fabian, had cleaned up their tubes quite a bit, licensed a shit ton of content and paid very good money to producers for custom content.

When Fabian was out, it started to go downhill

But Deecash never even made the attempt to keep the sites going, he just took the credit card numbers and fucked the shit out of them

He is definitely confusing this with Deecash.

fastball · 06-28-2022, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Does it contain proof that during Fabians tenure he was responsible for credit card banging?

Cause all I can say is based on my personal experience while Fabian was at the helm.

I knew the people before him (Sammy etc), they were a lot more "flexible" than Fabian.

And when Fabian was gone, a certain someone from this industry made sure we were removed from shooting for Mindgeek. (maybe I will be writing memoirs one day...)

And I have no idea what happened after that.

Not cc banging, but buying up businesses.

OldJeff · 06-28-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I'm sure the new COO looked around the office and realized 70% of the people there were expendable.

Mindgeek will do just fine.

There you go making sense again

MaDalton · 06-28-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Not cc banging, but buying up businesses.

well, yeah, but that was no secret - or evil plan or something like that.

whether it all made sense - especially so fast - is a different topic.

but to buy something, you also need someone willing to sell

CaptainHowdy · 06-28-2022, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Fiddy ropey Pornhubs.

DVTimes · 06-29-2022, 04:01 PM

Somenpodasts worth listening to:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...-industry.html

mainstreammix · 06-29-2022, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Nope. Not when I know I am right. What did you ever do? Did you ever shoot a porn scene, pay for it, and have it stolen and fenced by Mangeek?......

I've only had software stolen, but that has fuck all to do with idiots thinking tubes will ever die.

pornmasta · 06-29-2022, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TaiGhost

There will be many more to replace them. I see on this board a guy is making collages of top performing sites content and trying to make a paysite out of it.

actually a lack of money is bad for free things

mainstreammix · 06-29-2022, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

actually a lack of money is bad for free things

I'm cashing Chaturbate checks from promotions in 2012, the tubes will be fine.

fastball · 06-29-2022, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

There you go making sense again

Maybe you should too. Time moves on. No one wants to eat a butter soaked lobster anymore.

emmasexytime · 06-29-2022, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by djroof

Pornhub for me is the XXX YouTube. Performers use it for traffic to their OnlyFans accounts ;)

and that's another reason why their earnings are down

PorcoRosso · 06-30-2022, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

Pornhub fired 70% of their people.

Could be smart with the coming recession and VISA problems.

Indeed.
Also let's keep in mind that numbers communicated are PR, not official.
Mindgeek always insisted in communicating "we're n°1" "we have the biggest staff with over 1000 employees". But in reality N°1 is a contested prize with Xvideo/Xnxx, and over 1000 employees... I would say "close to 1000" was more the reality.
1600, no, that's a number to "make you look big". But actually, it's silly because everyone thinks "what do you do with so many people??? Shouldn't you be a much bigger company to have that many people???"

Mindgeek's competitors are companies that run correctly with 100 to 300 people... more than that is overhead, corporate politics, inefficency.

So... maybe it's really a smart move to restructure the company and keep the most important people in the team on the most profitable projects?

Also... maybe depending on the new CEO appointed maybe they can start cleaning their practices and re-open conversations with Visa/MC?

In any case to those who believe that Mindgeek is going down, or that tube business models is going down... you're just not living on the right planet. MindGeek is a big machine and it will live on, maybe not as big and as high as what its creators were hoping but it's going to be around for long.
And tube sites... they're here to stay. Now, it would be great for the industry if they could see the crucifiction of Mindgeek as a real threat and would also clean their practices not to be next... which would really be a very positive thing for the industry.

Ultimately, we would all benefit of an industry that has clear rules, guidelines, and can exist within these frames on the long run.

Anyway, so far, people I know in Mindgeek are still there... let's see.

fastball · 06-30-2022, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PorcoRosso

Indeed.
Also let's keep in mind that numbers communicated are PR, not official.
Mindgeek always insisted in communicating "we're n°1" "we have the biggest staff with over 1000 employees". But in reality N°1 is a contested prize with Xvideo/Xnxx, and over 1000 employees... I would say "close to 1000" was more the reality.
1600, no, that's a number to "make you look big". But actually, it's silly because everyone thinks "what do you do with so many people??? Shouldn't you be a much bigger company to have that many people???"

Mindgeek's competitors are companies that run correctly with 100 to 300 people... more than that is overhead, corporate politics, inefficency.

So... maybe it's really a smart move to restructure the company and keep the most important people in the team on the most profitable projects?

Also... maybe depending on the new CEO appointed maybe they can start cleaning their practices and re-open conversations with Visa/MC?

In any case to those who believe that Mindgeek is going down, or that tube business models is going down... you're just not living on the right planet. MindGeek is a big machine and it will live on, maybe not as big and as high as what its creators were hoping but it's going to be around for long.
And tube sites... they're here to stay. Now, it would be great for the industry if they could see the crucifiction of Mindgeek as a real threat and would also clean their practices not to be next... which would really be a very positive thing for the industry.

Ultimately, we would all benefit of an industry that has clear rules, guidelines, and can exist within these frames on the long run.

Anyway, so far, people I know in Mindgeek are still there... let's see.

You do know it was the Krystoff article that brought PH to their knees, right? Nothing to do with bloat apart from the fact they are bleeding debt. One guy, Bill Ackman read the NYT article, was totally offended by PH's "business model", called up his pal Ajay Banger who is the CEO of Mastercard and a week later BOOM!
So what do you think their chances are of renegotiating CC billing? They pissed off some serious financial people. And they are not big enough financially to make a ripple in the credit card business. Netflix makes more money in a week than PornHub does in a year.

You should be thinking what is best for this business and that could be the end of PH. But we are a very vulnerable business. We can be stopped overnight if we piss off M/C and Visa. So we probably shouldn't and we should probably make sure we follow their rules.

djroof · 07-01-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99

is this allowed?

No direct link, but they put onlyfans links on videos, or send traffic to their social media (Instagram, twitter) where u can find their links ;)

NALEM · 07-01-2022, 11:55 AM

It does not matter if Samy, Fabian, Feras, David or Bernd are at the helm. My view of Manwin aka MindGeek is one of a criminal enterprise, and therefore they were all thieves.

Around the time that Manwin poached Jules Jordan of all his people, Manwin/MindGeek was interested in doing business with one of the companies I managed. Therefore I agreed to having a phone conversation with Manwin leadership. Knowing what happened with JJ, I told him something along the lines of "a bullet in the back of the head of anyone that leaves ___________ for Manwin, would fix any legal deficiencies we had with our employment contracts" which prohibited disclosing our IP and walking to a potential competitor.

I then proceeded to laugh. There was silence on the other side, and quickly the conversation was wrapped up.

Happy to write, no one left the company.

AmeliaG · 07-01-2022, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fastball

You do know it was the Krystoff article that brought PH to their knees, right? Nothing to do with bloat apart from the fact they are bleeding debt. One guy, Bill Ackman read the NYT article, was totally offended by PH's "business model", called up his pal Ajay Banger who is the CEO of Mastercard and a week later BOOM!
So what do you think their chances are of renegotiating CC billing? They pissed off some serious financial people. And they are not big enough financially to make a ripple in the credit card business. Netflix makes more money in a week than PornHub does in a year.

You should be thinking what is best for this business and that could be the end of PH. But we are a very vulnerable business. We can be stopped overnight if we piss off M/C and Visa. So we probably shouldn't and we should probably make sure we follow their rules.

Wait, the head of a credit card company is named Ajay Banger?

fastball · 07-01-2022, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Wait, the head of a credit card company is named Ajay Banger?

cool, huh? But dangerous. He is already on our case.

TaiGhost · 07-05-2022, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

actually a lack of money is bad for free things

Ai agree with that. Also, a lack of money is bad for everything, to me.

TaiGhost · 07-05-2022, 06:07 AM

VAN is reporting this... I hope they take a new direction. The old one is a dead end.

https://www.venus-adult-news.com/en/...ign=Week+27+EN

mainstreammix · 07-05-2022, 10:09 AM

I had a very profitable tube and took zero credit cards directly. Should Visa ban them all today it will change nothing.

High fucking hopes.

scarr · 07-06-2022, 11:52 AM

Get the 🍿 out. This company survives wave after wave. Historical evidence says they'll be here.

wankawonk · 07-06-2022, 04:05 PM

they haven't paid yet for traffic sent in may

this is the first time in 7 years they've been late with a payment. Something big must be happening internally.

fastball · 07-06-2022, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scarr

Get the 🍿 out. This company survives wave after wave. Historical evidence says they'll be here.

Historical evidence said Rome would be there forever. Wake up and smell the coffee.

fastball · 07-06-2022, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wankawonk

they haven't paid yet for traffic sent in may

this is the first time in 7 years they've been late with a payment. Something big must be happening internally.

Ding Dong. They are not the biggest player in porn. Far from it. Not even close. And losing their billing will sink them when their competition didn't. Think Legal Porno.

scarr · 07-07-2022, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Historical evidence said Rome would be there forever. Wake up and smell the coffee.

My coffee says I'm getting paid on time for driving real conversions and real leads instead of garbage traffic. ��

While departments within the same company Traffic Junky =/= AdultForce. Anyone who has been in this business for a long period of time on the affiliate side and not the traffic driving side knows that AdultForce just got a significant amount of investment. The interface has changed substantially as well as the platfrom's payment capabilities. The changes actually coincide with the C level changes. I think this suggest a company shift in direction. Perhaps the traffic driving model isn't working anymore. Perhaps conversions and incentivizing real value are becoming more important to the company. When it comes to tracking, real-time analytics, and data crunching, there's no better platform in the Adult space. AdultForce is hands down number one in this category.

You may be struggling to work for Traffic Junky. I'd bet my life that's where most of the layoffs (if they do exist) are. AdultForce and the conversion driving arm of MG is alive and well. I suggest driving conversions and not traffic if you're going to stay in this space. Paying for clicks is archaic and that model isn't just dying here in adult, but affiliate marketing as a whole.

Your comparison really doesn't make much sesne. This is a borderless, regulationless internet and these guys created NATS and essentially affiliate marketing. This isn't an empire from 476 AD.

mainstreammix · 07-07-2022, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Ding Dong. They are not the biggest player in porn. Far from it. Not even close. And losing their billing will sink them when their competition didn't. Think Legal Porno.

Thotintexas · 08-05-2022, 10:18 AM

Such a shame indeed, since pornhub is the easiest one to get started in this business with.

I literally find people to create an account, then pay them $20 to do so. Pornhub pays me $50. Then I upload all the IDs and spam the account with short videos with my url. Two months later, I get traffic and at least a $100 check comes every month for life. 5 accounts so far $600 per month, easy money. Not much, but an easy way to get started.

Tubevideditor · 08-05-2022, 10:36 AM

I've been doing this for 20+ years. Everything goes through cycles and nothing lasts forever.
We've had major billers going under almost overnight, the rise of MGPs and the sudden death of them, .xxx drama thinking our .com's we're doomed, the whole Acacia thing (I think thats what they were called) where they claimed to have the rights on video streaming and we would need to pay big amounts of $$$, AVS sites being huge then disappearing, 2257 regs and the new Mastercard regs, the tube sites decimating the traditional affiliate market etc etc.

Pornhub maybe will one day will go completely - or they'll just slowly slide into oblivion.

06-26-2022, 11:56 PM	#51
redwhiteandblue Bollocks Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bollocks Posts: 2,793	Fiddy ropey Pornhubs. __________________ Interserver unmanaged AMD Ryzen servers from $73.00

06-29-2022, 04:01 PM	#62
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Somenpodasts worth listening to: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...-industry.html __________________ The Affiliate Program

07-01-2022, 11:55 AM	#71
NALEM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Where ever Delta flies Posts: 3,139	It does not matter if Samy, Fabian, Feras, David or Bernd are at the helm. My view of Manwin aka MindGeek is one of a criminal enterprise, and therefore they were all thieves. Around the time that Manwin poached Jules Jordan of all his people, Manwin/MindGeek was interested in doing business with one of the companies I managed. Therefore I agreed to having a phone conversation with Manwin leadership. Knowing what happened with JJ, I told him something along the lines of "a bullet in the back of the head of anyone that leaves ___________ for Manwin, would fix any legal deficiencies we had with our employment contracts" which prohibited disclosing our IP and walking to a potential competitor. I then proceeded to laugh. There was silence on the other side, and quickly the conversation was wrapped up. Happy to write, no one left the company. __________________ "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

07-05-2022, 06:07 AM	#75
TaiGhost So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 494	VAN is reporting this... I hope they take a new direction. The old one is a dead end. https://www.venus-adult-news.com/en/...ign=Week+27+EN

07-05-2022, 10:09 AM	#76
mainstreammix Make GFY Great Again Industry Role: Join Date: May 2022 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,026	I had a very profitable tube and took zero credit cards directly. Should Visa ban them all today it will change nothing. High fucking hopes.

07-06-2022, 11:52 AM	#77
scarr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 70	Get the 🍿 out. This company survives wave after wave. Historical evidence says they'll be here.

07-06-2022, 04:05 PM	#78
wankawonk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 1,018	they haven't paid yet for traffic sent in may this is the first time in 7 years they've been late with a payment. Something big must be happening internally.

08-05-2022, 10:18 AM	#83
Thotintexas Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2022 Posts: 38	Such a shame indeed, since pornhub is the easiest one to get started in this business with. I literally find people to create an account, then pay them $20 to do so. Pornhub pays me $50. Then I upload all the IDs and spam the account with short videos with my url. Two months later, I get traffic and at least a $100 check comes every month for life. 5 accounts so far $600 per month, easy money. Not much, but an easy way to get started.

08-05-2022, 10:36 AM	#84
Tubevideditor Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 345	I've been doing this for 20+ years. Everything goes through cycles and nothing lasts forever. We've had major billers going under almost overnight, the rise of MGPs and the sudden death of them, .xxx drama thinking our .com's we're doomed, the whole Acacia thing (I think thats what they were called) where they claimed to have the rights on video streaming and we would need to pay big amounts of $$$, AVS sites being huge then disappearing, 2257 regs and the new Mastercard regs, the tube sites decimating the traditional affiliate market etc etc. Pornhub maybe will one day will go completely - or they'll just slowly slide into oblivion.