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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2022...t-covid-deaths

Again I know I am wasting my time pointing out that if you are under 70 and have no health risk, then you were and still are at almost zero risk of death.

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...volvingcovid19

But as I have stated, the stats in the UK are often showing death with covid, not death from covid.

This is important as it suggests death from covid are probably a lot lower.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...calls-27680868

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/1...ring-training/

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/0...-sudden-death/

We are seeing people such as footballers and so on die young.

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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ion-into-lungs

I am glad as you say I was an ass by not wearing those non medical grade masks, that have been shown to have no use.

But I am sure you feel its worth filling your lungs with plastic particles just so you could look like a good person and not upset others.

Personally I will stay an ass, and not kill myself.

I wonder how parents will cope if in a few years they find out that they forced there children to wear non medical grade masks for no reason, and now they may have breather problems and other life effecting illnesses because they have lungs full of plastic.

Still, at least they got to post pics on Instagram of themselves and children in these face nappies, in order to look like good people, so it may have been worth it.

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And you're implying their deaths are somehow connected to the vaccines? With no proof whatsoever. Typical CT bullshit. Dismissed.

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You still haven't posted any actual "data" dude. Tweets and articles from fake news sites don't count as data or research.

This is data:

Vaccine effectiveness of two-dose BNT162b2 against symptomatic and severe COVID-19 among adolescents in Brazil and Scotland over time: a test-negative case-control study

COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Research

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Jesus fucking Christ, I had to come out of GFY retirement to comment on the stupidity in this thread.

Yes, science changes based on data. A "novel" coronavirus means we've never encountered this particular coronavirus before so didn't know anything about it. As they learned, they adjusted. That's how science works and we learned this in the 3rd grade.

Now that 70% of the world is vaccinated, and damn near everyone has caught it (even if they didn't know they did), it's not as important to wear a mask or do the other covid shit. They said this early on, that was the goal for vaccination. They hit their goal. Now the message adjusts based on where we are. If pockets of infection come back, masks will be recommended in those areas in rational nations who have not politicized covid.

This shit isn't complicated. It's not a grand conspiracy.

DVtimes... you're a fucking retard. There are OVER 100 global studies now that prove mask efficacy. Masks never were supposed to "stop" the virus, they reduce the viral load, often resulting in a weaker infection. You wear a mask to reduce viral load, you infected twat. If everyone has them on, the virus spreads less with a weaker viral load. How have you made it this far in life without accidentally poking your eye out? This data can be found in seconds, all from reputable sources and much of it peer reviewed. Your posts are almost too dumb to reply to, but they were so inaccurate and ignorant that I couldn't resit.

JScott... those are not confirmed data sources. Those are opinions and data that has not been replicated. Meaning, it's not real data at this point. Several, if you Google their name, are questionable doctors. Dr. Charles Hoffe had to face a disciplinary panel for misinformation. Some others don't even practice with infectious diseases or vaccines. Look up the people you're trying to quote. We have peer reviewed studies for a reason. Science trusts the BODY OF WORK, not individual doctors who can not verify or replicate their claim. When others can replicate those claims, then it's legit. That's how it's always worked. Also, the narrative isn't imploding on masks. I stated why above.

J Falcone... Keep fighting the good fight.

I actually don't care who gets vaccinated or wears a mask, but at least don't spread nonsense about it. People like DVtimes eat that shit up because he doesn't know better. People ate veterinarian grade ivermectin to protect themselves from covid. Facebook groups were full of people shitting out their intestinal linings because of it. That's all that really needs to be said. People (especially Americans) are ignorant and gullible. Please don't feed them more garbage, because they believe it.

I didn't spell or grammar check any of this so eat a bag of dicks if something is wrong.

Ok, that's the comment.

See ya, bitches.

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How the fuck did he come up with four years?

J. Falcon

I meant 3 years.

Still playing the grammar/English police on GFY?

You can stop doing that. You make mistakes just like everyone else.

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Holy shit where the hell have you been?? Welcome back!

One thing, yes these doctors Hoffe, McCullough, Malone, Prasad, Olsson, Craig, etc have been outcast from society for their views on Covid vaccines, BUT, they are giving their recommendations based on their studies and learning experiences in the medical field. They aren't evil doctors trying to cause problems. Everything that goes against the pro-Covid pro-vaccine narrative gets shut down, from MSM, gov, society. Have you watched their interviews or seen their reports (they are VERY active)? Take a look, to me, they seem very knowledgeable and sincere on the topics, while others like Dr Wen, Dr Fauci have backpedaled or lied time after time.

Question for you DWB, from what you've said it seems like you support forced Covid vaccines, mandates? do you, or not?

Tasty1

The new vaccine will work!
Tested on 8 mice and all are okay.

Would you inject your cat/dog with it?

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Most people are not at risk of severe problems from Covid, so hell no, would not inject anyone with it unless they're high risk. Can't believe the hysteria is still here.

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Please provide a link to one article stat says non medical masks protect the person wearing them.

I stated medical masks (n95 and better still n99), but the non medical have no use as studies have shown (faps on sides, not sit correctly and not fine enough material).

https://www.consultant360.com/exclus...earer-covid-19

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Masks Do Not Protect Wearer From COVID-19

https://www.consultant360.com/exclus...earer-covid-19

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The C.D.C. concedes that cloth masks do not protect against the virus as effectively as other masks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/h...covid-cdc.html

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Cloth Masks Don't Cut It for Keeping COVID Away

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...ing-covid-away

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CDC Updates Mask Guidelines - Cloth Masks Least Effective

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2022...east-effective

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Should young children be made to wear face masks?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...young-children

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Feel free to post evidence to prove me wrong,

Notice I have provided links to back up my claims, and my links are mostly UK government websites.

So feel free to post links to articles that claim non medical face masks are 100% effective.

High viral load is very unlikely to be got outside or in a shop. It tends to be in a hospital were you have lots of very ill people with covid. In such case your system can overload. It is why in hospitals staff wear correctly fitted medical grade masks (n95 or better n99).

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Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360

Non medical face masks do not protect you (from the BBC).

So I guess the BBC is full of stupid people too.

As I say, I welcome the 100 links to articles that you claim show non medical face masks are 100% effective.

I ask, as I have been asking clever clogs for years to provide evidence.

All they do is say because they believe it, that is fact, then call me stupid (even though I provide links to everything I say).

Or better still they then admit I am 100% correct, but then say it is still worth wearing a non medical grade mask, even if it only provides 1% protection. Can you imagine people told by some clever clogs to wear a condom that is only 1% effective.

You see, people are so desperate to believe, that they now defend rubbish.

It is fear.

I still see even today the fear. I still see people drive in a car on there own wearing non medical grade masks, or even walking in a park wearing non medical grade masks.

The same people told me I would be dead by now, for not wearing a mask. I am still alive.

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The hypocrites who tell us to wear masks, are often the same ones who pretended to care about the environment.

Now we have mask pollution, and how many have ended up in the sea?

I guess sod all the children to come who will find plastic particles in water they drink, as long as a few left wing middle class people felt protected wearing non medical grade mask, just in case they got covid, and ended up feeling yuck for a day.

The comical thing about this, is for most people (almost every healthy person under 70), covid systems are no more than a cold.

In fact I am getting angry again, when smart gits keep telling us to hide from something that is no more than a cold.

I am angry as people killed themselves.

I am angry as people died from not getting cancer treatment.

I am angry as children missed out on school.

I am angry as businesses went bust and people lots jobs.

I am angry as people reported others for having a walk more than 2 mins.

I am angry as old people died after not seeing family for months.

All for a cold.

and then we still have these sick disgusting people still telling us to live in fear and have no life and wear masks. And apparently I am the stupid one who does not care about people.

No sir.

I will not bend to the will of cowards, who wish to live in fear.

No sir.

I will not stand by seeing business close, people die of cancer, children messed up.

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But if you want to live in fear, that is fine.

You sit in your house with non medical grade masks on.

But do not demand that I share your fear.

All I can say is, it is a shame for you USSR no longer exists, as that would have been the place for you.

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They're not evil doctors. It's everyone else who is evil and out to get them because they go against The Plan. And you know this because a few tweets, right?

You should read Foucault's Pendulum By Umberto Eco. It's a great novel about how normal people get sucked into believing outrageous conspiracy theories.



From the video:

"Foucault's Pendulum raises questions about hidden plots that most thematically similar works don't go anywhere near. It is less concerned about any specific hidden plots themselves than the ALLURE of hidden plots. Eco says that these theories exist as of a way of explaining mysterious phenomena in an outlandish way as a coping mechanism for an individual's inability to understand them, due to lack of intelligence or otherwise."

The underlying themes in this novel are OBSESSION and PARANOIA.

It captures perfectly the mindset of the conspiracy theorist. Eco saw these types of armchair experts surface back in the 1980's, but today, with the internet and mass spread of misinformation, it's been taken to a whole new level.

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DWB

I can't be bothered to try to convince you of anything at this point.

Brian mike

^^ This is how brainwashed look like ?

DWB

WASSSSUPPPPPPPPP! Hope you're well, dude.


Here's the problem, no one can replicate anything they claim to be true. What we then have are individual people making claims with no way to confirm their claim's validity. That's how medicine and science works, it needs to be able to be replicated. If they did that, they wouldn't be labeled as spreaders of misinformation. But because they fly solo on these often outlandish claims, they get the stick. You can't make claims that you can't back up and share with others so they can run the same tests.

That's not correct. Anything that can't be proven, which is usually due to a lack of evidence, gets shot down. Malone can make claims all day, but he can't back them up in any manner that his peers can replicate or confirm. Thus the issue.

Being sincere is one thing, backing up your claims is another.

All of the social media platforms had to bring on teams of medical professionals to identity misinformation because there was so much of it. It was all based on the provable science. Claims alone would often (and still do) get suppressed or removed.

The CDC, WHO, world governments, and Fauci totally bungled the messaging on everything. The virus, masks, the vaccines, they fucked up the messaging on them every step of the way, and continue to do so.

That said, saying "Fauci lies" isn't exactly accurate. What he did many times is update his stance based on new information. However, he did bungle a few things in regards to not commenting to his message due to obvious political pressure that has been reported many times. He should have been firm at all times, but he wasn't and people translated that as being a liar and changing his "story."

Using his original message about masks for example. He said they were not necessary for the general public early on. He said that at a time when they didn't yet know that the virus could be spread through asymptomatic spread. Keep in mind, at that point, China wasn't sharing info with anyone about what had just happened there so every nation was on their own to figure out what was going on. As soon as they realized it was spreading through asymptomatic carriers, that is when the mask message went full steam. The information changed based on knowledge.

That said, they still completely ruined the messaging and countless people suffered because of the poor messaging.

Then the fucking President pushed anti-mask messaging and that created chaos. He downplayed Covid almost the entire time, even when he caught it. Suddenly it was all political and masks were a form of suppression. If I had to point the finger at one person in the USA for messing things up, I'd start there and work my way down. The POTUS needs to lead by example, not divide the nation and suggest injecting bleach.

I believe everyone should have a choice. But that also means, business owners have a choice to decide who they want to cater to. Nations should also have a choice on who they let in. Freedom of choice works both ways.

If I own a business, I should not be forced to allow non-vaccinated in (if I don't want to), any more than you should not be forced to take the vaccine.

I'm pro mask because I understand the nuance of how they work. It's the bare minimum we can do to reduce spread and viral load. Plus, it's really no big deal at all to put one on when I go out in public. We have to wear shoes and clothes, a mask never bothered me for a second. Even if me wearing one makes other people feel comfortable, I'm happy to wear it.

I think the jury is still out on the effectiveness of lock downs. There's a lot of mixed information out there that varies from community to community. It seems to have worked well in some areas and not so well in others. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear down the road that the only successful lock down is a hardcore lock down, and half assing it didn't help. Home spread was and is a real issue with it.

Remember when China was welding people into their apartments? That worked. lol They didn't half ass it at all and lived their best lives for two years (while the world was shut down) until covid was eventually imported. Now, as you probably are well aware, it's whack-a-mole with lockdowns there.

All of that said, I've been fucking 3rd world whores and ladyboys in the ass for 20 years. Getting vaccinated wasn't even something I had to think about, shoot me up. :-)

It almost killed me. No commodities. I then had devastating long covid symptoms that lasted for a year. I caught it before the vaccines rolled out. Perhaps if my original infection came after I was vaccinated, it wouldn't have been so bad. At least that's what they say. I'll never know.

Anyway, good to see you're still with us.

DWB

Just a note about that guy. He had to leave Fox News after he stole millions from investors, then fled to Portugal where he still lives today. He's a literally a criminal and sensationalist and is really good and rewording things to sound 100x worse than they are. Most of what he says is waaaaay off due to how he twists stories for views.

Regarding the video content here, it was expected to have some lawsuits from vaccines. That's why the vaccine companies are not being held responsible, it was expected and they wouldn't make them otherwise. This isn't surprising at all to anyone with an IQ higher than an slug. 70% of the world received some form of vaccine, there were going to be some people who had problems with it. Many vaccines, if not all of them, have been through some sort of legal drama due to this.

DWB

You keep posting about cloth masks. Don't wear a cloth mask, you imbecile.

K95 or N95 masks are what you should be wearing. They've been telling you this for two years.

DWB

Hey dude, hope you're well.

DWB

You know who lives in fear?

People who are immunocompromised. People who are battling cancer. The elderly. People with HIV/AIDS. People who live with someone who is at risk. People who work with someone at risk. People who can't afford to take a single day off work if they catch covid. Parents with sick children. The list is long.

They all live in fear of asshats like you. Asshats who still don't understand how a mask is helpful, and won't even do the bare minimum to help keep societies most vulnerable a little safer.

Brian mike

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DVTimes

Sir, you said you had over 100 studies to prove me wrong.

I think what you mean is you could not find any and you now look like a fool, so rather than being the bigger person and admit I am correct, you run away and say you cannot be bothered.

I think we can leave it up to the good readers on this site to judge your reply.

A quote from mrs thatcher:

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Correct

You protect those who are vulnerable, and in doing so you have no need to protect others who are young and healthy.

In fact if all the young healthy people got covid, then they have the antibodies and are less (almost impossible) to pass it on to others. Thus the vulnerable are more protected, are they not?

However during the lockdown a few very elderly people asked me to take them out for days. They were at high risk, but considered it far worse to stay inside locked away for weeks.

Most got it and were very ill, but they said they did not regret it.worse to not go out than to live.

In the UK I believe no healthy child died, and it was about ten who had health problems. If you look above I posted death numbers in children, so can you stop spreading scare stories that children will die of covid.

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If I remember, people with aids were not at risk.

I could be wrong on that and will look to see.

On this you may be correct, and unlike you, I will be big enough to admit when I am wrong and others are correct.

I do hope I am wrong, as it would be a nice experience, as I have never experienced being wrong before.

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I am confused.

I have only ever stated non medical grade masks do not work, and I have always stated n95 or n99 work.

Yet you stated I was wrong about masks.

Are you saying I am correct now and what you posted about me was wrong?

Perhaps this is what happens when you get the vaccine. Your mind has a different opinion every five minutes.

So you did believe non medical grade masks worked and lots of studies existed, but not you do not?

I sure am glad I did not take the vaccine if it confuses you this way.

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Indeed, it does look like if you have HIV with a weak immune system your more at risk.


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...m-coronavirus/

You or your child may continue to be at high risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19, despite vaccination, if you have:

• Down's syndrome
• certain types of cancer (such as a blood cancer like leukaemia or lymphoma)
• sickle cell disease
• certain conditions affecting your blood
• chronic kidney disease (CKD) stage 4 or 5
• severe liver disease
• had an organ or bone marrow transplant
• certain autoimmune or inflammatory conditions (such as rheumatoid arthritis or inflammatory bowel disease)
• HIV or AIDS and have a weakened immune system
• a condition affecting your immune system
• a rare condition affecting the brain or nerves (multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, Huntington’s disease or myasthenia gravis)
• a severe problem with the brain or nerves, such as cerebral palsy
• severe or multiple learning disabilities (or you're on the learning disability register)
• a weakened immune system due to a medical treatment (such as steroid medicine, biological therapy, chemotherapy or radiotherapy)

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I have no problem with those who have health problems to be protected, as long as they choose to.

As we know, many chose to not live in fear, and went out.

However, this does not explain the logic of healthy people being made to stay inside.

The funny thing was, the woods near e you normally see one person every hour. During the lockdown the woods were packed.

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In the UK they told us not to buy them as the NHS staff needed them.

In fact at the start they said do not wear masks, as they are no use to the public (doctors told us that). They said the only people who should wear masks are medical staff.

It was only when the government's came out with the idea (probably just to be seen to be doing something, even if it had no use) then they had to say its government advice to wear them. Most never said it was there advice as they knew they had no use and could be sued. So often they would say government recommendation.

If you remember WHO had to change its site from be against mask to its government advice.

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Your smartest post yet in this thread.

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In the UK it is against the disability act as people cannot wear them for certain medical conditions, mental health conditions, and rape victims can find huge trauma wearing them.

So if you are saying you believe a business can choose to serve customers or not with a disability, do you believe they have the right to only serve white customers?

Or how about only male customers?

Or refuse to serve a gay customer?

It may be in the USA you have the right to discriminate against people, but you do not in the UK.

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Can you provide evidence they live in fear of me and explain why.

I thought you stated i was correct about non medica masks not being any use?

Are you saying now you believe non medical masks are some use or not?

Again, is this a symptom of the vaccine to flip flop on your belief's?

But please explain why they are in fear of me.

During the lockdown I went out every day. I drove 20 miles to walk the dogs in a lovely park (the chap in charge gave me the keys to the car park). I never met a single person.

Over the months the only person I met was my mate,

I would shop for food, but used self service.

So feel free to explain how I put people at risk?

In fact, if people chose to isolate, presumably if the rest of the world did not, they were at no greater risk?

But sir, clearly your smarter than me, so feel free to explain how I put someone at risk who I never meet. Perhaps we can spread covid via a distance of serval miles and through brick walls. Perhaps it can spread many miles, so if I go out in the UK I may be putting someone at risk in the USA. But I am a bit thick, so I do not understand how if I have covid I may be putting someone at risk many miles away.

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A quote from mrs thatcher:

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I have looked online and could not find a single person living in fear of me.

I am sure you will provide evidence, otherwise the good readers of this site may presume you make everything up with no evidence.

Rather than making yourself look a fool and someone who lies, i know you will be posting evidence to back up your claim that people live in fear of me.

Just to be clear, even though you stated 100 cases to show non medical masks work, you have problems posting them, and you also now believe they do not work? You must forgive me as your flip flop debate is confusing. Again is is a symptom of the vaccine or something?

Anyway, I look forward to your evidence of people living in fear of me.

I feel dreadful these people fear me, as until you had pointed this out just now, I did not know.

I d hope its not many people.

Anyway, we will find out when you post the evidence to back up your claim, as I know you are not simply making up any rubbish in your head and claiming them to be facts.

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Damn dude, can't you keep your lunatic rants to one single post?
Holy shit.

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You mean my posts that I provide evidence to, as in UK government websites.

I guess when you cannot prove me wrong, all your left with is to insult me.

A quote from mrs thatcher:

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