is there no "next big thing" going on?

[lezinterracial]

is there no "next big thing" going on?

bitcoin? VR? 3D TV?

[Bladewire]

A quickening is about to happen in the adult realm.

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

A quickening is about to happen in the adult realm.

Can u say what it is ?

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

Can u say what it is ?

Deez....

[Paul Markham]

In online porn there's no "Big thing" coming. Because when you give away what the consumer needs you kill demand to pay for it.

HD, 3D, VR have all failed to rescue porn from a steady decline, that still continues. Not to say porn is dead, it will never die. It's just paying for it that's in decline.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

is there no "next big thing" going on?

bitcoin? VR? 3D TV?

None of the above but there is a group of people/companies working on something that might cause a cataclysmic shift in business models.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not to say porn is dead, it will never die. It's just paying for it that's in decline.

How do you pay for what you watch on free to air TV?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

How do you pay for what you watch on free to air TV?

The growing market is cable, in fact we pay for all channels to be delivered like that.

Will you pay to use a SE engine? Why not? Because SE are free.

[ilnjscb]

Exactly - tell us what is out there fam!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Will you pay to use a SE engine?

I don't know; what do they charge and is there a niche?
$2.99 a month to find porn sites other than the big tubes might sell.

[aimike]

The next big thing is people will start paying for porn again






























j/k

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The growing market is cable, in fact we pay for all channels to be delivered like that.

Cable is dying here.

Netflix and those like it are winning. All you can eat for a few bucks a month.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Will you pay to use a SE engine? Why not? Because SE are free.

How do you pay to use Google? You pay through ads, the same way people pay to watch free porn on Pornhub.

[2MuchMark]

Squids:




Full body Haptics (Try not to Perv-out at this demo. I failed.)

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The growing market is cable, in fact we pay for all channels to be delivered like that.

No, it's not. Cable is quickly dying. At least it is here in the US. Everyone is streaming TV now. We use Hulu and Sling, and combined with Netflix and Amazon Prime.... You can pretty much watch anything you want at any time you want.

It's called "cord cutting".

In my case... I get my Internet for free through our HOA (very dependable, 100 up / 100 down), and I have Hulu and Netflix. I pay $60 a month total.

[AdultKing]

Paul really needs to realise that just because people go to Pornhub and see free porn it doesn't mean they're not paying. They're being advertised to, the same as free to air tv, or free tier Spotify.

[lezinterracial]

I was really hoping for some AI sex dolls. I want a threesome with SIRI and Alexa.

[Ferus]

I know a team that works on AWS Lambda powered AI voice sex chat. It's like chatting with a real person already. But they are still working on the visuals. (real-time deepfake rendering of old porn content)

[Look Chang]

I'm hoping for an ass licking robot ...

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Ferus

I know a team that works on AWS Lambda powered AI voice sex chat. It's like chatting with a real person already.)

If I were them I would be releasing the voice part now as an MVP because there's a few people working on this kind of thing.

Getting to market with an MVP would be better than waiting to add bells and whistles.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Cable is dying here.

Netflix and those like it are winning. All you can eat for a few bucks a month.

How do you pay to use Google? You pay through ads, the same way people pay to watch free porn on Pornhub.

Okay I slipped up.By cable I meant all paid for channels.

You're right about SEs, no one will pay when Google and others deliver it for free. Much like Pornhub, which can only exist when content is free. Thank you for agreeing with me.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, it's not. Cable is quickly dying. At least it is here in the US. Everyone is streaming TV now. We use Hulu and Sling, and combined with Netflix and Amazon Prime.... You can pretty much watch anything you want at any time you want.

It's called "cord cutting".

In my case... I get my Internet for free through our HOA (very dependable, 100 up / 100 down), and I have Hulu and Netflix. I pay $60 a month total.

Okay I made a mistake.

So you get your Internet for free, would you pay for the same service? However with the programs you are willing to pay because HBO, Hulu and Netflix, etc. Offer something that isn't available for free.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Paul really needs to realise that just because people go to Pornhub and see free porn it doesn't mean they're not paying. They're being advertised to, the same as free to air tv, or free tier Spotify.

Yes people still buy porn. Pornhub convert 1-35,000+ views. TGP sites converted 1-600 views. One oasis doesn't mean the desert is tropical.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Ferus

I know a team that works on AWS Lambda powered AI voice sex chat. It's like chatting with a real person already. But they are still working on the visuals. (real-time deepfake rendering of old porn content)

Great idea.

Now live cams don't need to charge when it's cheap enough to give away. That's a bit far fetched as 1-1 won't be able to satisfy the traffic it will generate. Or will computers be able to do that?

All off the back of ads sold at $5 a 1,000 and convert 1-10,000. What will that do to affiliates an models earnings?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Great idea.

Now live cams don't need to charge when it's cheap enough to give away. That's a bit far fetched as 1-1 won't be able to satisfy the traffic it will generate. Or will computers be able to do that?

livecams are free since 10 years.

All off the back of ads sold at $5 a 1,000 and convert 1-10,000. What will that do to affiliates an models earnings?

why do you talk about things far away from your horizon?

even the numbers you are throwing around here shows how far you are from reality.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

livecams are free since 10 years.

[King Mark]

Paul wants to make porn great again

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're right about SEs, no one will pay when Google and others deliver it for free. Much like Pornhub, which can only exist when content is free. Thank you for agreeing with me.

You can't read, or comprehension skills are so lacking that you can't understand.

You pay for Google, you pay for it through ads, those ads are a component cost of what you buy, almost everything you buy is marketed using digital channels, therefore when you go and buy a new pair of shoes a proportion of what you pay covers digital marketing.

So you do pay for search, you do pay to watch Pornhub, you pay for everything that appears to be free.

[Mickey_]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

In online porn there's no "Big thing" coming. Because when you give away what the consumer needs you kill demand to pay for it.

HD, 3D, VR have all failed to rescue porn from a steady decline, that still continues. Not to say porn is dead, it will never die. It's just paying for it that's in decline.

Agree to disagree. 😉

[MaDalton]

it's pointless. you try to explain something to Paul, he ignores it and claims the opposite.

[Ferus]

Dear old Paul Markham. Since the beginning of time; you are either a paying customer, or the product being sold.

I doubt you will ever understand, since you have wasted your last 20 years failing on the internet.

[GAMEFINEST]

Fat chicks

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by StefanG

it's pointless. you try to explain something to Paul, he ignores it and claims the opposite.

There's a word for that, I think Boxxy would know

Originally Posted by Ferus

Dear old Paul Markham. Since the beginning of time; you are either a paying customer, or the product being sold.

I think Paul really believes that Pornhub and Google just have an endless supply of money with which to run millions to billions of dollars worth of server infrastructure and employ people to run it just so he can use Google for free

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

However with the programs you are willing to pay because HBO, Hulu and Netflix, etc. Offer something that isn't available for free.

better ask him how many OTHER channels he can see for free.
and than ask yourself how it can be that the MAJORITY of channels is free AND EXIST (and make profit what netflix don´t do)

before you struggle on that hard question I will tell you why:

because they do not have a Paul Markham in the company !

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

because they do not have a Paul Markham in the company !

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The growing market is cable,

WAT???

Holy cow man... Cable is dying out so fast. Cable was growing here in the 80's and 90's but then came Satellite which is now also dying out. Everyone around here has fiber-optic into their homes -> Ethernet -> to TV, sometimes with an AppleTV or Chromecast or similar gadget in between. CABLE?? No, Geeze.

[dillfly2000]

AR than. Proper AR. If not magic leap, than the one after it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

livecams are free since 10 years.

So girls work live cams for fun.

why do you talk about things far away from your horizon?

even the numbers you are throwing around here shows how far you are from reality.

Your previous statement proves you're clueless. .

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Dear old Paul Markham. Since the beginning of time; you are either a paying customer, or the product being sold.

I doubt you will ever understand, since you have wasted your last 20 years failing on the internet.

So why do I not pay for porn, SEs, News, Recipes, etc?

You are stuck in the pre-Internet days. Especially when Thommy is telling us Live Cams are free.

[AdultKing]

I think most people are of the opinion that you're the clueless one Paul.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Paul wants to make porn great again

Porn is still still great.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You can't read, or comprehension skills are so lacking that you can't understand.

You pay for Google, you pay for it through ads, those ads are a component cost of what you buy, almost everything you buy is marketed using digital channels, therefore when you go and buy a new pair of shoes a proportion of what you pay covers digital marketing.

So you do pay for search, you do pay to watch Pornhub, you pay for everything that appears to be free.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

The problem with Pornhub is it gives you the shoes to sell laces.

Online advertising is a huge and growing market. The success of sites like Google is they have free content to bring in surfers, some click on ads and buy the advertised product they searched for. The Internet replaced Yellow Pages as your go to place to find a service or goods.

The problem is what service or entertainment will be next? Ferus has a point and it could be the future. How many will pay for a live cam girl when computers can do a better job? With everything paid for by advertising?

How much does Pornhub pay for people to send traffic? We've already lost $millions in earnings from MFC, Tubes and Dating Apps. Could Live Cams be the future thing replaced by computers?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Thanks Captain Obvious.

The problem with Pornhub is it gives you the shoes to sell laces.

Online advertising is a huge and growing market. The success of sites like Google is they have free content to bring in surfers, some click on ads and buy the advertised product they searched for. The Internet replaced Yellow Pages as your go to place to find a service or goods.

The problem is what service or entertainment will be next? Ferus has a point and it could be the future. How many will pay for a live cam girl when computers can do a better job? With everything paid for by advertising?

How much does Pornhub pay for people to send traffic? We've already lost $millions in earnings from MFC, Tubes and Dating Apps. Could Live Cams be the future thing replaced by computers?

we are 50 years away from computers replacing cam girls...if you understood how incredibly complicated it is to make a realistic 3d model, let alone animate and render it in real time and high definition so that it looks even remotely realistic...100-s of people work months for 5 minutes of avengers CGI...the whole movie is shot in 2-3 months and then the CGI takes like a year....

meanwhile a broke girl will work with almost 0 investment...

paul markham...the dumbest mother fucker on the internet...

[lmfao irl]

idk but yall can call me lil jeesus up on thse webz cus a player bounce back every time with some 9d9 ratios ya undersmelldigfeel me

shout out all my og soldiers on all them dupes that used to ride through the storm with a player

[lmfao irl]

Please play this song in the background as I drop this jewel.

https://soundcloud.com/sg808z/the-re...gh-renegade-ii


Yall dumb as shit the next big thing is going on in multiple ways

Most importantly paysites/camsites are becoming less popular than "premium" accounts that are nothing more than normal accounts on various chat clients that surfers pay to access. Everything is getting consolidated in a way, idk if thats the right word cus im dumb as shit too.

Average Joe can create a snap, film a day worth of content, stream and interact with customer all from one place. Then they easily create multiple social media profiles to gain followers and sales. That cuts out affiliates, hosting companies, traditional paysites, camsites and the need for a billing processor because they can accept on popular payment apps and or send to manyvids etc. To add insult to injury a huge amount of "premium" sales are generated from yalls jacked content that's spread on tubes via watermarks and reuploaded content etc.

Is this ratchet and unprofessional? Yes, but anyone who is on any popular dating apps can see the rise in regular women whom now monetize every step of the process when interacting with men online because basically spammers have shifted and manipulated the masses to associate online interaction with spending money etc. This is a negative side affect of us all raping the internet forever. In other words, we trained the sheep to throw money at all beautiful women online, and some of them just happened to be real. The word seemed to have spread.

You old timers, myself included need to take a few steps backwards and not get caught up in your ways. Sometimes the most basic shit is the most profitable from my experience. People don't wanna click a fucking banner and signup to some antiquated paysite... They want live, in their face interaction now (for da low $$$) via the interweb connected super computer in their back pockets! Also PBBC for life beeeeeeyotch dis big Cutty of the PBBC ya'urd may baby we outcheer 2k19 that boy dimez still got it. ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Porn is still still great.

Amateur porn is still great. "Big"-Budget Porn is not.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

we are 50 years away from computers replacing cam girls..

I predict 8, not 50.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So why do I not pay for porn, SEs, News, Recipes, etc?

You are stuck in the pre-Internet days. Especially when Thommy is telling us Live Cams are free.

paul paul paul - you really don´t have a clue.
and stupid statements don´t make you look wiser.
you did not even realize that there are dozens of big free livecams around since 10 years.

means: you do not know NOTHING whats happens in our biz

so you never heard about bongacash, chaturbate, cam4 and all the others where you do not have to pay a cent if you are not willing to pay ???

that´s all new for you, right ?

you are a bicycle driver explaining the rest of the world how to build a spaceship.
you are really the biggest clown here.

[lmfao irl]

We are not 50 years away or 10 years away or 100 years away from a computer replacing a camgirl. If that is the case, why do camsites exist now? Everyone would be 100% content with interacting with pre-recorded video and not seek out camsites. Point, and case.



Don't spout out some A.I. bullshit, there will always be purist who seek human interaction.

[ilnjscb]

stop fighting - you're making our step-daughter cry

Someone invent robots already

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Amateur porn is still great. "Big"-Budget Porn is not.



I predict 8, not 50.

we are 10-20 years away from good character animators becoming desperate enough to even consider doing porn...they will make much more money in mainstream and they are sought after as fuck...making a model is just 1% of the work...animating it to look realistic is the 99%...it is a full time job to say the least...

we are years and years away from 3D models having realistic movement without having to do 100 re-takes like they do for avengers movies...keep in mind somebody has to pre-animate all the movement and this takes a FUCK load of time....

all this for a shit ROI...cam girls do not make much...not even a virtual one who works 24/7...customers will know she is a bot if she is on 24/7...and her competition is a real girl willing to work for 10-20$/day

not going to happen in the next 50 years...

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

we are 10-20 years away from good character animators becoming desperate enough to even consider doing porn...they will make much more money in mainstream and they are sought after as fuck...making a model is just 1% of the work...animating it to look realistic is the 99%...it is a full time job to say the least...

The work won't be done by creating a 3D model and then animating it.

The work will be done by filming a real person, then using deep learning to handle the animation, speech and interaction. Relatively speaking there are simple applications of this now in mainstream, such as an AI driven virtual newsreader.

As massively multicore multiprocessor computing power becomes more affordable these things will be easier to do at scale and at lower cost.



Then to get a variety of looks, faces and body types the technology like that in the video below will be used.




I follow AI pretty closely, I've seen some of the proof of concept things being worked on now and I can tell you that virtual camgirls will be driven by AI not by 3D models and animation.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

we are 10-20 years away from good character animators becoming desperate enough to even consider doing porn...they will make much more money in mainstream and they are sought after as fuck...making a model is just 1% of the work...animating it to look realistic is the 99%...it is a full time job to say the least...

we are years and years away from 3D models having realistic movement without having to do 100 re-takes like they do for avengers movies...keep in mind somebody has to pre-animate all the movement and this takes a FUCK load of time....

all this for a shit ROI...cam girls do not make much...not even a virtual one who works 24/7...customers will know she is a bot if she is on 24/7...and her competition is a real girl willing to work for 10-20$/day

not going to happen in the next 50 years...

the efford is not that big as you think.

sure you have to preproduce every possible scene but you can replace bodies and faces with every body or face you want.

i have seen such things already around millenium with live morphing and it looked even than fucking real. with techniques of today you can do much much more. there are discussions since years about the rights of an actor´s look. they would be already able to make a movie with arnold schwarzenegger and he is not even at the set.