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[DVTimes]

[Tube Ace]

Top comment:

"It’s not Germany’s fault the swastika is the most mechanically efficient form for this ride."

Jefkoffs are always looking for reasons to be offended and outraged.

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by Tube Ace

Top comment:

"It’s not Germany’s fault the swastika is the most mechanically efficient form for this ride."

Jefkoffs are always looking for reasons to be offended and outraged.

Well the nazi swastika symbol is forbidden here in Germany by law. So just to think that some german nazis want make a statement with making this is just dumb. When it comes to safety and technical function, it always stand above everything else, that's why it was approved by the goverment and tüv.
And even then it was taken down just for one reason, the german people don't want it.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by lockept93

Well the nazi swastika symbol is forbidden here in Germany by law. So just to think that some german nazis want make a statement with making this is just dumb. When it comes to safety and technical function, it always stand above everything else, that's why it was approved by the goverment and tüv.
And even then it was taken down just for one reason, the german people don't want it.

So if you're in Germany and you post a swastika online you get arrested? I guess there's no freedom of speech there.

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So if you're in Germany and you post a swastika online you get arrested? I guess there's no freedom of speech there.

No, the context is important. And it's not about freedom of speech, it's about disrespect of the history YOU will never understand how it is. The german people decide to ban the political use of this symbol - and still 99% of the people do not want see it without an education or art (like movies) context. It's like guns in public hands, people don't want it so it's forbidden.
And over the time things can change, ie a few years ago the swastika was not allowed in video games and needed to replaced by a different symbol. It changed cause the people today think a little bit different than the people 50 years ago. Now the most people think it's stupid, so it was changed. That's how democracy works.

I hope ur not american, cause it's always funny to hear people from a country where u not even allowed to drink a beer in public talking about freedom. Or we can talk about rights when u get into a police control, from our point of view US citizen are threaten like slaves when an officer is around, ready to lick their shoes if they want to. In many points of "freedom", europe is far ahead the US, and nearly every American that move here is confirming that.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by lockept93

No, the context is important. And it's not about freedom of speech, it's about disrespect of the history YOU will never understand how it is. The german people decide to ban the political use of this symbol - and still 99% of the people do not want see it without an education or art (like movies) context. It's like guns in public hands, people don't want it so it's forbidden.
And over the time things can change, ie a few years ago the swastika was not allowed in video games and needed to replaced by a different symbol. It changed cause the people today think a little bit different than the people 50 years ago. Now the most people think it's stupid, so it was changed. That's how democracy works.

I understand it's disrespectful and it is a bad symbol, but we Americans cherish the right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is about protecting bad speech. And besides,, who becomes the arbiter of said speech? Imagine if some of the batshit loonies here controlled speech? They'd have you arrested for wearing a MAGA hat.

The eminent 19th-century writer and civil libertarian, John Stuart Mill, contended that enlightened judgment is possible only if one considers all facts and ideas, from whatever source, and tests one's own conclusions against opposing views. Therefore, all points of view -- even those that are "bad" or socially harmful -- should be represented in society's "marketplace of ideas."

Are there any other things that are forbidden that can get you arrested for saying or displaying in Germany?

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I understand it's disrespectful and it is a bad symbol, but we Americans cherish the right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is about protecting bad speech. And besides,, who becomes the arbiter of said speech? Imagine if some of the batshit loonies here controlled speech? They'd have you arrested for wearing a MAGA hat.

Is it allowed in the the US to run to the streets and scream: "Kill all black people, they are no humans!"?
I'm not sure about exact law in the US, so that's an honest question.
No you would not be arrested for wearing a MAGA hat, I can't compare our parties with the both in the US, but as long as it is no nazi symbol or hate speech, you can't forbid that. It's not a decision by a ruling party, its protected by the constitution.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Are there any other things that are forbidden that can get you arrested for saying or displaying in Germany?

In general denying the Holocaust is something that you will get problems for.
Things like hate speech, misinformation about someone to damage him, insults...things that pretty normal in many countries. Then u have rules for job protection depending on specific employers. For example u can be fired from the church, if u praise the satan. But u don't face prison for that. It's just a reason u can loose your job as priest. Normally jobs are pretty hard protected - so if u work car fabric and say u praise satan, your boss can't kick u for that.

Symbols I don't know any other than 3rd Reich symbols (like SS symbol and so on, you can look up here in this PDF https://www.ida-nrw.de/fileadmin/use...chte_Szene.pdf , I dont know if there all listed, but just to see that multiple symbols that connected with the Nazi regime are forbidden without the right context). I think the russian Z in context with the war is also not allowed right now. Sure the letter itself is not forbidden, it's all about the context (running on a pro putin demonstration with russian flag and having a big white Z on your jacket, then the Z is forbidden).
Also after short looking up the KKK symbol/s also not allowed.
I cant find anything else - it's all about racist/nazi stuff only. And yes I agree that it's a special interest and nobody hate other countries for allowing the swastika more open. But we do not want to see it here and it's not many years ago we have many survivers still living here who get freed from a concentration camp - the situation is/was on a level above normal free speach, and every person with a little sense of moral and humanity should understand this.
But in fact u protect the people from using it, cause it's so unacceptable, that it's very possible to get beaten into the hospital if u run around the street with a swastika arm band lol.
You cannot understand how it is to grow up in a wonderful country and lern pretty early as child that many of your ancestors did/support/ignored such things that happen. And it's not possible to understand if it's not your countries history. We hate Hitler so much, u can't imagine. Also strong patriots cause we have a huge history to be proud of (starting with germania kicking romans asses and so on) and cause this small time frame you feel always weird to be proud of your own country. That's a point where we are jealous to countries like the US. It's not forbidden to be proud about german history at all - it just feels weird.

This special situation u also have with the state Israel - it's not like we support their politics against palestina or other anti arabic things - but we just can't criticise like we would do it with others. Also cause they very fast to bring up the point from these times and it works, cause it still hits, even if there are not so many alive anymore who where involved on one side or the other. When someone reminds u to feel bad for things neither you did nor he was victim sounds stupid. It is, but it still works pretty well.
But it's not like Germany is a puppet of Israel, it's more like staying out of their buisness and be protective to make sure that their country did not get erased by anyone.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by lockept93

Is it allowed in the the US to run to the streets and scream: "Kill all black people, they are no humans!"?
I'm not sure about exact law in the US, so that's an honest question.

No, that's illegal because you're inciting violence against someone. There are limits to freedom of speech. You can't tell a group of people to go burn a building down, assault someone, or generally to do something illegal. That's forbidden as it should be.

Originally Posted by lockept93

No you would not be arrested for wearing a MAGA hat, I can't compare our parties with the both in the US, but as long as it is no nazi symbol or hate speech, you can't forbid that. It's not a decision by a ruling party, its protected by the constitution.

The problem is, someone is deciding that. Someone is deciding that you can't display a nazi symbol. Someone is deciding that you can show a Russian Z flag. And that's where the problem arises when you do not have a constitutional right to free speech. Someone could very well decide you will be arrested for wearing a Maga hat. Our constitution forbids the government to be the arbiter of speech and I'm thankful for that.

[baodb]

What a joke. This is the consequence of hardcore indoctrination from the ground up. The symbol in itself means nothing bad and wasn't invented by the Nazis. As so often with Germany its all smoke and mirrors, focus on some symbol and not about what happened back then.

It's the same when they go to Thailand to get girls for cheap and suddenly claim there is Nazi symbols everywhere because no one taught them that its a very common symbol in Buddhism...

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The problem is, someone is deciding that. Someone is deciding that you can't display a nazi symbol. Someone is deciding that you can show a Russian Z flag. And that's where the problem arises when you do not have a constitutional right to free speech. Someone could very well decide you will be arrested for wearing a Maga hat. Our constitution forbids the government to be the arbiter of speech and I'm thankful for that.

Just to be clear, free speech IS a main part of the german constitution and politics can't just forbid things. There is a constitutional court that often enough decided that the ruling party need to change something or is not allowed to bring up a new law, when it does not fit with the constitution. There is a shared power system exactly for the reason that no dictator can ever again overcome this country.

The "Z" situation is new and pretty everybody want it to be forbidden. The current law that "protect" this decision (still not everywhere in ger as far as I read) is based on a law that forbids the support of illegal actions. And the attack of russia is in our eyes a illegal action (I don't know whats the right translation of "Völkerrecht" - google say "international law"). It's nothing a local party tried to use or something and there no germans try to use it - only a few russians living here. To not give a plattform for the propaganda. It's nothing else like sanctions like banning RTnews.
I don't know if it would hold in constitution court, but nearly everyone want it and there is no case someone try to fight it. As I said its pretty new cause the situation and the people force the gov to forbit this shit here. It's not like u have a 50/50 option about that here. The main reason is that it crazy close used like the swastika, if there would be a lot of germans, let's say 1% that really don't think it's right to forbid that, there would be first a big discussion and a law suit through instances until it lands on the highest court, the constitution court.
Here u see a list of the current situation (u need scroll down to international censure)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)

As u see its mostly a thing in the closer country area, just cause nobody want russia spread there it's propaganda. But still not really big everywhere, more like a first decision to handle this situation.
And tbh as far as I read is russian propaganda also banned in many cases in the US. There is a huge difference in something coming from your own people and something that a different country try to spread over your country. Closing and banning russian bots to stop misinformation is not hurting any free speech rights, anyway Im sure USA and Germany citizens don't want this shit here. Would it hold on both highest courts? I dont know. But who cares if everyone in the country dont want it.

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by baodb

What a joke. This is the consequence of hardcore indoctrination from the ground up. The symbol in itself means nothing bad and wasn't invented by the Nazis. As so often with Germany its all smoke and mirrors, focus on some symbol and not about what happened back then.

It's the same when they go to Thailand to get girls for cheap and suddenly claim there is Nazi symbols everywhere because no one taught them that its a very common symbol in Buddhism...

Im not even understand what your talking about. Who said the symbol was invented by the Nazis?
And who is "indoctrinating" us and whit what purpose?
And also nobody focus on this symbol in any way, its just forbidden here cause under its flag children where made to soap.
And yes we germans teach our children very early what happen there and explain them why such things should never happen again. You can call it indoctrination if you want to, but I prefer the word "education", something you lack of it looks like.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by lockept93

In many points of "freedom", europe is far ahead the US, and nearly every American that move here is confirming that.

I am an American that moved to Europe... there is a distinct lack of freedom of speech in Europe. And it applies to more than just Nazi symbolism.

There is more body autonomy in Europe, though.

There is a reason why free of speech is embodied in the First Amendment, Americans feel that is the most important of all freedoms...

So whether we can walk the streets drinking a beer or visit an escort legally or ingest a drug is secondary to being able to speak our minds.

[baodb]

Originally Posted by lockept93

Im not even understand what your talking about. Who said the symbol was invented by the Nazis?
And who is "indoctrinating" us and whit what purpose?
And also nobody focus on this symbol in any way, its just forbidden here cause under its flag children where made to soap.
And yes we germans teach our children very early what happen there and explain them why such things should never happen again. You can call it indoctrination if you want to, but I prefer the word "education", something you lack of it looks like.

Yeah I can see the "education" worked very well on you.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

I am an American that moved to Europe... there is a distinct lack of freedom of speech in Europe. And it applies to more than just Nazi symbolism.

There is more body autonomy in Europe, though.

There is a reason why free of speech is embodied in the First Amendment, Americans feel that is the most important of all freedoms...

So whether we can walk the streets drinking a beer or visit an escort legally or ingest a drug is secondary to being able to speak our minds.

bullshit

unless you include russia in Europe

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

bullshit

unless you include russia in Europe

In the UK we have had freedom of speech reduced each day.


If you offend someone, it can be deemed a crime.

Labour have even said they want legal speech to be made illegal.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

bullshit

unless you include russia in Europe

LOL... Europeans believe they have the same rights, but they don't.

Deny the Holocaust in Germany and see what happens. Own Nazi memorabilia and see what happens.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crimin...ide/a-63834791

Insult the King in the Netherlands and see what happens...

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2016/0...he-dutch-king/

Matter of fact, in more than a few EU countries insulting the head of state or King can land you in jail...

https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...rance-germany/

The Dutch government even prosecuted a Dutch citizen for insulting Turkish tyrant Erdogan...

https://www.techdirt.com/2018/08/22/...recep-erdogan/

A Rapper in Spain was arrested for tweeting insults about the Crown..

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/19/96932...er-over-tweets

Most hardcore fetish porn is illegal in the UK...

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...me-pornography

None of this is illegal in the USA because we have a Constitution and a First Amendment...

The EU is a joke when it comes to free speech.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Most hardcore fetish porn is illegal in the UK...

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...me-pornography

None of this is illegal in the USA because we have a Constitution and a First Amendment...

I agree that the UK does not have free speech, but you gave a poor example. You could have given the examples of the fact that offending someone is a crime, or the pug dog joke got a chap to have a criminal record.

j=But your link does not stop fetish porn in the UK, just extreme such as dead people or animals (I suspect this is an offence in the USA to be honest).

However the USA does have censorship indirectly in porn. By this visa has rules about what it will and will not allow. It will not let you use certain words in porn.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

bullshit

unless you include russia in Europe

Originally Posted by pornlaw

LOL... Europeans believe they have the same rights, but they don't.

Deny the Holocaust in Germany and see what happens. Own Nazi memorabilia and see what happens.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crimin...ide/a-63834791

Insult the King in the Netherlands and see what happens...

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2016/0...he-dutch-king/

Matter of fact, in more than a few EU countries insulting the head of state or King can land you in jail...

https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...rance-germany/

The Dutch government even prosecuted a Dutch citizen for insulting Turkish tyrant Erdogan...

https://www.techdirt.com/2018/08/22/...recep-erdogan/

A Rapper in Spain was arrested for tweeting insults about the Crown..

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/19/96932...er-over-tweets

Most hardcore fetish porn is illegal in the UK...

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...me-pornography

None of this is illegal in the USA because we have a Constitution and a First Amendment...

The EU is a joke when it comes to free speech.

Ouch. Madalton just got clowned on.

God bless 1A!


.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I agree that the UK does not have free speech, but you gave a poor example. You could have given the examples of the fact that offending someone is a crime, or the pug dog joke got a chap to have a criminal record.

j=But your link does not stop fetish porn in the UK, just extreme such as dead people or animals (I suspect this is an offence in the USA to be honest).

However the USA does have censorship indirectly in porn. By this visa has rules about what it will and will not allow. It will not let you use certain words in porn.

Well the world has the same restrictions when it comes to porn since most of it goes through credit card processing based in the US.

Extreme porn in the UK goes beyond just animals or dead people. And yes, those are both considered obscene in the US but here is how the UK defines extreme porn...

An extreme pornographic image is an image which meets four criteria. It is:

Pornographic ("of such a nature that it must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal"), and
Grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character, and
Portrays in an explicit and realistic way any of the following:
An act which threatens a person's life, or
An act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals, or
An act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse (necrophilia), or
A person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive) (bestiality), or
An act which involves the non-consensual penetration of a person's vagina, anus or mouth by another with the other person's penis or part of the other person’s body or anything else (rape or assault by penetration)

and

A reasonable person looking at the image would think that the persons or animals were real.


I havent done the research as to if there has been any prosecutions for extreme porn in the UK, but the highlighted red text above would probably not be considered obscene in the US.