Tasty1

The EU (still) wants to scan your private messages and photos

The "Chat Control" proposal would mandate scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos. This threatens fundamental privacy rights and digital security for all EU citizens.

Every photo, every message, every file you send will be automatically scanned—without your consent or suspicion. This is not about catching criminals. It is mass surveillance imposed on all 450 million citizens of the European Union.

*EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy.

You and your family do not. Demand fairness.


https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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SpicyM

Gmail and other services have already been doing this in USA for years.

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Rochard

I personally do not have an issue with it. I am fifty-six years old. What are they going to read? Our dinner plans?

But I can see how a lot of people would have issues with this.

It's one thing when a private business is creating free products and using it to read my emails, etc, and then selling me stuff. It's another thing when the government is doing it.

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SpicyM

No, this wasn't marketing. There was a case when a parent sent a photo of his naked child from his Gmail account to a doctor during a lock-down and ended up with CP charges. Google scanned the picture, marked it as CP and notified your "government". I think it was eventually explained and the charges dropped but his Google account was lost with all photos, emails and other data he had there.

This isn't new.

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NatalieK

While I think privacy is important, I've nothing to hide, so government can go through my emails & communications, especially if it searching through everyone's chat will help locate & stop people that are doing wrong...

besides, most chat is searched with AI most probably now already, when ever someone mentions a product or something, there it is being seen on popup adverts

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asorelli

Of course they do. That's how they operate, corrupt mofos. It will start with this, next they'll be wanting to search your home.

Where I go to dinner, when or with who is none of the gvts fcking bizness.



Having nothing to hide is not the point. The point is "privacy", I realize this is in EU, but here is the US, your privacy (in your home at least) is a well protected constitutional right. That's until they start trying to introduce shit like this or wanting to search your home without a warrant.

*Regarding ads, that's cookies from sites you've visited, so it shows similar ads. Has nothing to do with scanning your inbox or reading your emails.

*Edited for clarification

asorelli

Do you have a source for this? I'm almost certain that law enforcement can only access email content with a proper warrant or subpoena. Ask the lawyer dude who posts on here, I'm sure he can confirm this.

I can only imagine what kind of lawsuits would have been brought by now if this was actually happening. Thinking more along the lines of private emails / sex scandals...

They do scan email attachments for viruses/malware and the like, but that's a bit different.

**I could be wrong, maybe some law was secretly passed. That's why I would love to read the source.

fuzebox

Are you fucking serious?

To think your peers fought for our freedoms.

SpicyM

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ccount-blocked


This is just one of the reasons why I consider it stupid to upload personal/family photos to social networks or share any sensitive data through email or communication apps.

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Major (Tom)

Muh project 2025

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Rochard is the resident moron btw

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asorelli

Thanks for sharing. I think what they use is something to detect that specific type of case, dealing with sexual abuse on kids. Which is fine, but obviously prone to errors. That's a very unique situation. I don't think they are actually reading (scanning) emails and mailing the contents to law enforcement, as you made it sound. But, they do follow the CSAM law, which is a different story and acceptable:


"“We follow US law in defining what constitutes CSAM and use a combination of hash matching technology and artificial intelligence to identify it and remove it from our platforms,”

*I don't know what the CSAM law is, but I'm guessing the obvious.

SpicyM

No, I didn't make it sound that way. Only a retard could think there is a person reading every single email, so I didn't feel the need to mention it's all automated.

The point is there are already actively used tools to scan private communication by American companies. Privacy laws and personal data protection in EU are much stronger than they are in America. I don't worry about this.

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asorelli

Huh? I didn't mean literally reading every single email. The point is, they are ONLY SCANNING for certain things (as the law allows them to) as mentioned in my previous comment. The couldn't give a fck if you were fcking 2 strippers the night before. Your comment makes it sound like that's what is happening here in the US and they are sending all your (*potentially illegal activity) emails to LE. No, that's not what is happening.

*Edit. I added reading (scanning) to my comment above to avoid confusion.

asorelli

Do you have any other examples besides this one? Examples showing how they are scanning for other types of data (not mentioned in the article) and sending to authorities?

Tasty1

In the last weeks in Holland; people/countries hackes all police data.
The good thing, even speed control camera's aren't working now.
They (still) cut the police systems from the internet.

A few weeks ago all medical data was stolen from a government research for breast cancer.
They paid the hackers (could be millions) and now hope the data isn't sold.

Criminals don't use communication that are monitored.
The big criminals use other tools.

Few years ago people where screeming they didn't want a "chinese" social credit state.
But seems everyone is fine with it.

For sure it will be used in countries to see if they protest against vaccine mandates, refugee centers, political protest, and make a file about everyone.

Where is the freedom people where willing to die for? Everyone is treated as criminal.

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SpicyM

Yeah and that is exactly what this "Chat Control" in EU is all about - specifically aimed at CSAM. So I mentioned that "Gmail and other services have already been doing this in USA for years." and linked the article that proves that.

The rest is just you having troubles reading or understanding, or whatever.

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asorelli

To be honest, I did not read the specifics of chat control in the EU. But, if it's only aimed specifically at:

I have no problems with it. If it only scans for this specific purpose, fine. Now, if it starts using this as an excuse to scan for other "unrelated" things, then, yes, I have a problem. That's why I asked you if you had other examples. Is it that difficult to understand? I'm sure there will be several amendments, or perhaps even other acts to follow, and I'll reserve my judgement at that point.

asorelli

That's not what it's all about, see below. Still waiting on another example.

I'm not going to research any further on this. I read a few articles about it. Here's something that I did find particularly alarming though... the part in bold. Maybe tasty1 can expand on the first post with exact details of the "Chat Control" in EU.

Tasty1

I bet Ukrain would use it to track people that don't want to go to the frontlines and kidnap them from the streets.

Who knows, that might be the case with Europeans that don't want to go to the frontlines. And will use CBDC (Digital euro) to rationing food supplies.

That people in Adult still believe it is for protecting the children...

UN Human Rights Commissioner warns against chat control:

“Moreover, in the general scanning of communications, frequent false positives cannot be avoided, even if accuracy rates are high, thereby implicating numerous innocent individuals. Given the possibility of such impacts, indiscriminate surveillance is likely to have a significant chilling effect on free expression and association, with people limiting the ways they communicate and interact with others and engaging in self-censorship.”

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asorelli

I think the question at this point is, and really at the end of the day, are they simply looking for an excuse to search / scan for X, while at the same time looking for Y and Z.

Even though some may be ok with the scanning of *some* things, it still is a HUGE privacy and violation of rights concern, no doubt.

Retiree

Every message is being scanned and spied on since the inception of messaging apps. None of those is working in a bubble...intelligence agencies have backdoors, always had. There is no privacy, never was, nowhere online.

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Retiree

BTW people saying "I have nothing to hide" are the dumbest people in the world and the only reason we don't have any privacy at all. They simply don't care, but their lack of a functioning brain can cause many problems in the future. If you have "nothing to hide" today, doesn't mean you won't have anything to hide tomorrow. Governments can change, regimes can change...whats allowed today can be outlawed tomorrow. Plenty of examples when governments turned tyrannical and whats a funny message today can get in you in jail tomorrow. Don't be so fucking DUMB!

We elect our governments to serve US, not to serve them. We are not their slaves and they have no right to spy on us, to the contrary, we have a right to spy on them, as our tax money is paying their salaries. Stop being so fucking ignorant!

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CyberHustler

They haven't used brown folks, gays and ****files to distract y'all from this out there?

The Porn Nerd

Agreed. But technology has made people incredibly lazy and myopic. People now only think of themselves and if it doesn't affect them so what?

Opting for convenience every time is killing our societies.

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Rochard

I should mention.... I worked for the phone company. The office I worked at was also a "switching station" - all calls for the area code were routed into this one huge room that had rows and rows of "switches". Every so often the FBI would show up with a warrant to tap a phone line, and they would actually hook a recording device to a specific line.

I could only imagine what our government has access to now.

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asorelli

Ok, and? So, they went through the proper channels to obtain a warrant, "ideally" based on probable cause that a crime has been committed. How it should be done.

Unlike just scanning private property / messages / whatever else they want at will, no warrant needed. That's the problem, and it will become a bigger problem if people allow shit like this to continue to happen. In EU, in CA, the US, really in any country that claims to be a free country.

I think it's safe to say that the gvt has access to an enormous amount of scary technology.