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And 100...this is the first time I have done this...do I get my prize now?

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100.

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Congrads.

It would have been my first time.

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Mutt

i only did it once. and it was a letdown.

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Nice!

[illnet]-Jamie

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Paul Markham

So let me see how you want it.

I let anyone come in and buy content any Mickey Mouse registration what ever. I then put that info to the license, but who cares this guy has already filled in the registration form incorrectly so the license is toilet paper.

He then pays for it on a Credit Card, the only bounced CC transactions I've had were on fictiscious registrations.

He then goes and puts the sets he bought on 100 different URLs gives them to affilaites or worse opens his own content store.

I'm not saying Jim is that guy and it's clear he's not. Based on the information he gave I made a decision and got it wrong. Based on the information DarkJedi gave I made a decision and got it right. The form actually says "No nicknames" and "An ADULT site you own"

We have to make a call, because we are about to sell $10 to $1,000 via a CC, based on what we have in front of us. Plus we are protecting our content from being distributed unfairly over the net.

People who buy from us know we bust a gut to give as good a service as we can. Those that choose not to deal with us, fine it's a free world.

We run our business the way we feel is best for us and our clients, if that does not fit into the way you want to do business then fine.

Jim did not even attempt to explain why he clicked on the basket so many times or why he gave a non adult URL, he just got on his high horse, emailed me the list of sites he owns, told me he is a content producer, then told me to GFY and posted here.

What would you have done?

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Kimmykim

Hmmm, forgive me if I'm intruding here but I have a question... what does it matter what site someone owns if they want to buy content?

What if a surfer wanted to buy a particular set for his own use, on his own computer? What if he were willing to pay full price and had no intent of using the images on any website?

What if someone were interested in content but NOT interested in being on a mailing list, seeing new sets weekly or anything else, they just wanted to buy some sets and be done with it?

If someone buys something from a content producer and they do not use it appropriately then you take the necessary action to correct their misuse, which is an assumed cost of doing business, no?

I just don't get it.

I also don't get why someone would need to explain their shopping habits -- thankfully none of the online stores asks me to explain how so much stuff goes in and out of a shopping cart before I actually whip out a card and make the purchase, I'd be a bit offended if they did perhaps.

TampaJim

My email to PM

"Your shopping cart system is a little hard to understand.



First: Click here for the $1300 special.


Second: I click again to try and view what I?m getting for $1300. A message says ?You have already put this in your shopping cart.?

I tried to view my cart and it was empty.

You try it."



This was my was of trying to explain what happened with your weird shopping cart.



StreetRacers.com...nonadult...

Check out the models section. I sure every webmaster here will recognize the pictures I used.

Clearly your solo girl stuff would have fit perfectly with my site.

Jim

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Paul Markham

Because it gives us an idea who he is, not 100%. Plus they are buying a license for the sites they own.

Already supply this service to a website. But best they tell us if they want to do it direct.

If a buyer wants to waste time going around in the hope of finding something new and suitable, fine. The other consideration is the money we make by sending out the update emails. Balance between pleasing those who want the emails, those who do not and us making a profit. We choose our way because it makes us the most money. Which goes through CC processors.

Yes but an attempt to stop him before he has the content and charges it on a fraudulent card or charged back is all we are trying to do. Or will the CC processor pay the charge back fee?

Shopping habits.
Normally no one does need to explain, this was a judgement call. Got it wrong, sometimes get it right. It's an elementary form of scrubbing. We are also trying to avoid pirates, fraud and charge backs, before they happen.

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DarkJedi

What if i don't want to give you my personal info ?
I used DarkJedi handle and you knew who it was.

I could have used some fake name and put in a fake adult URL, would that do it for you ?


Why are you being so paranoid about surfer whacking off to your content ? Trust me, they would rather be surfing thehun than some content site with only samples.

quiet

apic are complete and utter cockholsters.

Paul Markham

This was after the post here and the GFY plus I did not think models on a car site meant girls I thought it meant cars.

I have tried that shopping basket and it works for me, the problem is I understand it. Might need changing.

If you think our work fits your site then fine, no surfer ever stopped jerking off because I'm an idiot. If he did I would be out of business.

I buy/sell with people I can't stand to be in the same room with, I shoot models I would rather strangle. Fortunately this is the only a few people/models. That's business, this is not a social club. It's about doing things for the money a friend $$ buys no more than an enemies.

In your case I made a hasty call, you responded hasty. So now we both lose. Life goes on.

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Paul Markham

Because you are about to purchase a license with a credit card. I do not know who DarkJedi is, just someone who posts on the craziest board in town and you do not own this website.

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kmanrox

i would like to add an addendum to the original post, as obvious as it is;

I am an idiot as well.

Thank you for your attention on this matter.


Regards,

Lee... err K-Man

TampaJim

Dude,

I sent you my url list to prove to you that I own mainstream adult sites.

I gave you more time to respond and correct the error than the ten minutes you allowed me to look at your content before you yanked my password.

Look at how long my original post is. I typed it and waited awhile while you and I exchanged emails. After a couple of "holier than thou" emails from you, I said....Go Fuck Yourself! and brought this event into a public arena. You even said, "If you want to take it public, go ahead."

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Paul Markham

Give me an alternative to them and I will use them.

You buy content from us you get the protection of APIC. Someone goes to your site steals our content off it, you get the "Not my problem" responses fromn the webmaster/host/affiliate. Contact us, APIC usually solve the problem.

Not perfect they fucked up last week, I pulled them off. But right most of the time.

Or do we give our money to attorneys or just throw up our arms and say "steal it we can't be bothered"

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d0se

Not that I buy content much, but after reading this crap I would never buy from Charly's outfit....

quiet

give you an alternative? lol. it's called a lawyer.

ALL my video is completely exclusive. apic and their sorry ass tactics will never see a dime from me.

kmanrox

mainstream adult site? dating?

jimmy3way

Awesome.

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quiet

good thread on apic and their bullshit:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...highlight=apic

jimmy3way

I used to get letters from Apic when I was with TopBucks.
I used to delight in telling them to fuck off about 90% of them time.

Copyright is copyright, but dick head Nazis are dick head Nazis and one don't make the other right.

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Paul Markham

I get content stolen 2-3 times a week. Mostly scanned from magazines or from clients sites.

Do you really think I want to employ a lawyer every time?

Also with APIC once they get notified from one member of an infringement they check the rest of the pirate's site and include any other members content. Normally the site is full of stolen content.

They are not perfect and will never be, but until someone comes up with an affordable alternative they are all this indusrty has and I do not mean the Interent, I mean the porn industry.

Until companies like AdultCheck understand it is there problem we wil be at the mercy of the pirates. We need someone who these companies fear and there are many of them, AVS, hosting companies, sponsors, etc who simply do nothing but say "Not my job".

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You see what I mean, a sponsor who delights in telling someone reporting a crime to fuck off.

If APIC were wrong 90% of the time they would not have a single member.

But I'm sure if he got an email from someone he did not know saying "This content is stolen" he would immediately drop everything to investigate the whole matter.

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Paul Markham

So let's just say a for instance.

A Czech guy steald your content and put's it on a website. He tells your lawyer to sue him in Czech.

And your next move is?

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quiet

my content is on thousands of unauthorized websites at any time.

as well as all over kazza et al. ebay. etc.

i have some one who spends half his day looking for infringment. 90% of the time talking to the host and sponsors will get an account shut down - dmca forms are rarely needed. it's worked extremely well for us. the exposure of my content to the public internet is extreme to say the least, yet it has never touched my bottom line. certainly not in a percentage profit basis.

when it comes to the point where i need to hire unscruplous hit men to go after 3rd world copyright infringment, in order to turn a profit, i'll likely rethink being involved in this biz.

just look at the apic thread i posted. if you feel you have no choice but to use unprofessional thugs to protect your content... then your hacked server, fucked up hosting, fucked up shopping cart, and negative attitude towards potential customers... is the least of your worries.

Paul Markham

Sorry Quiet but I cannot find someone to keep looking for my content being stolen.

When we find it we write to the webmaster, which is usually a waste of time because he's invisible. We then write to the sponsor or host, which again is usually a waste of time. The pirates are with people who don't care, like AC use to be. But occaisionally it get's the desired result.

If all this fails we then call in APIC. Which usually works.

It's simple if they were as bad as everyone makes out they would not have survived. The list of members are some of the top companies in porn and not just restricted to the Internet. These companies simply would not be with an organisation that is wrong 90% of the time. I think you will find Alsscan on the list.

Yes APIC bullies, yes they are undiplomatic, but this is after the normal methods that you use have failed.

But piracy of content is not an individual thing it's a collective problem and does cost you money. Because every site out there carrying illegal content weakens the whole business not just your business, all of us.

I personally do not like some of their methods, but this has brought them fear and gets results.

So what do you do after a webmaster outside the US tells you to go sue him?

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Living For Today

ill do it

jimmy3way

Why is it my responsibility, as a sponsor, to protect YOUR copyright on the word of some third rate collection agency?? If you have a problem with one of my webmasters come to me like a man and we'll work it out. If your work is so valuable to you make the time, rather than taking the half assed route of sicking a hired guard dog on me.

Besides, at least half the letters I got from APIC were unverifiable bullshit.

If you don't believe me: one of my oldest friends in this industry is this crazy guy who used to email me all the time about people stealing his cheerleader pictures. An email from him and one from me to a webmaster got him taken care of without the need for APIC's bullshit.

He runs a little company you might have heard of called Lightspeed.

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quiet

that's unforunate.

the hells angels, and the mafia (all forms) continue to survive. does that mean they are not as bad as everyone make out to seem? lol.


glad to see you admit to exactly what everyone is saying, and continue to use them

like i already said, i have someone talk to the host, sponsors (and if applicable) billing company.

GFED

Tampa's in da house! Good looking sites Jim!

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Tipsy

How anyone can defend APIC is totally beyond me. It's like saying it's OK for police to batton people every time they suspect somebody of a crime guilty or not. The guy running it is only semi-literate (take a look at any of the 'official' e-mails he sends) and with the business of your average school child.

I had some fun with him a few days ago. Seems he's good at pissing off just about everybody, although amazingly some can't see a problem with his methods. Still, you have to blame the idiots who use him. If they had an IQ high enough to see where the problems lay he wouldn't be in business.

My problem was a simple one in the end. Somebody I host a site for (I'm down as tech/admin hence he got my info from the whois) who had 100% licensed content and is not a native English speaker, missed a part of the license terms saying images could only be a certain size when used outside of protected areas. It was all a mess and it's also possible the provider 'forgot' that she actually had the license. Hard to be sure because Easton provides little or no useful information to help resolve stuff - he's too busy shouting thief to the whole word and feeling smug.

APIC's FIRST port of call is to find eveybody associated with the domain from sponsors up to the host(s) and e-mail them to say you are a thief. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? Nah - were that the case the industry wouldn't be full of people laughing at the guy for the idiot he is. Bear in mind that this e-mail didn't even mention the domain owner - just random info picked up from the whois, so the person who actually made the mistake doesn't even get a mention in the original BS mails.

Crazy thing is this could have been settled in 5 mins with a simple e-mail from the content provider. Involving Easton dragged it out into a 4 hour pissing match to resolve a simple issue and left a bitter taste in many mouths. There's now at least two companies I will never do business with and from the shit that Easton stirred they will probably think twice before doing any with me, none of which would have happened without APIC's involvement. Even with APIC's involvement a very short and simple e-mail just to the site concerned would have resolved the issue quickly. Telling the whole world somebody's a crook before any facts have been established makes about as much sense as anything else Easton does ie none.

The guy simply hasn't a clue so why use him? There are good, easy and FAR more effective alternatives as has been mentioned. Even before my own run-in I would never have used any company with any involvement in APIC from experiences others I know well have had with them. This mess just proved that position to have been right.

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Tipsy

110% wrong. This is the first port of call for many before they try any other methods. If you use him as a last resort then you are the exception rather than the rule. If you do use him as a last resort then why? Why not actually hire somebody who understands both business and the law? Easton clearly doesn't.

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Loch

So you read something on a website and right away decide to NOT better your business with some of the best amateur content out there?
Im sure you will make it in this biz

Now go search all the boards for "crappy content provider" and you wont have 1 set left to buy anywhere!
Good choice my friend.....

Or did you just post to suck up to the big guys that hate Charly?

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I only know what I see, here is one of the emails that I recieve daily.

You guys live in a world where people listen and do the right thing. Easton lives in the world where companies like AC turn around and to a publication like Perfect 10 just say, nothing we can do about it to a judge.

This is typical of what we see every day. Or do you want to just have a quiet word with the guy and see if he responds?

Such a collection of know nothing porn companies now why would all these stupid little companies hire such an idiot like APIC to represent them?

Maybe these people should be listening to Tipsey and quiet about how to protect their property.

The best protection against the pirates is someone like APIC, I wish that was not so but why else do multi national companies stick with them year after year if all it takes is an email.

jimmy3way
Why is it your responsibility? Simple before you give advise know what you are talking about. Read the RICO act.

And it's not just my coptright I protect, it's my clients.

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Paul Markham

And that company Redslip will be back in a few months time, stealing all the content he wants or just re-using what he has already stolen.

He does not care, because he can get hosting again, he wil find sponsors again. Because the attitude is "I can't keep track of everyone"

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Rutopls

Big name compaines use APIC because they dont really give a rats ass about small to midsize webmasters. Most of thier money comes from print and larger programs. They dont care that because Easton uses a shotgun approach that might cause a smaller webmaster days of income if they are wrong. So in turn you don't care about them either because you are supporting APIC.

So please just come out and say you dont give a damn if APIC causes 3 honest webmasters losses, because he might get 1 who is really stealing down the road. Then when Easton does get it wrong, you just sing the "it wasnt me it was APIC, we got them to fix it arent we nice" song.

Yeah thanks charly for looking out for all of us webmasters by using APIC, you are truly a saint..... From now on I request in honor of Charly using APIC to protect us we refer to him as Saint Charly!

Brujah

Gooooooo APIC!

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Kimmykim

You are bringing up Perfect 10 in the midst of this thread? That is just wrong.

L_L

Charly

I filled out your registration form 2-3 days ago. Provided all of the required information.

I have yet to receive that e-mail with access information.

Whats up?

Brujah

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimmykim
[B]Hmmm, forgive me if I'm intruding here but I have a question... what does it matter what site someone owns if they want to buy content?

the smartest statement in this whole thread.

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Rutopls
Go look at the list of people who are APIC members then you will see how wrong you are.

Kimmykim
Why is it wrong, it hi-lites the attitude of many. Quiet has a word with them. Pity a lot don't listen.

L_L
The site is down and we will be up and running next week.

models
It matters because it's my business, you want to run my business your way, then buy it and you can do.

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I decided the same. So to you too.

Are you just sucking up to Charly?

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Paul Markham

Had another thought which shows how wrong Rutopls is.

The big succesful webmaster like Quiet can afford to employ someone to keep searching & chasing pirates, getting them taken down, etc. And if all this fails he has enough money to recommend going to a lawyer to send letters out.

Us small guys who do not make $3 million a year cannot afford this to protect ourselves, so we use APIC.

When the professional pirate is surfing around for his next victim to download content from, he sees the site with the APIC banner on the front. And he thinks to himself "Those guys are complete fucking morons and arseholes who will serve DMCA notices on me, my host, my sponsor and anyone else they can think of" Not true but he reads this board amd this is the impression you are giving

So what do you think he does steal the content from an APIC protected site or move on? Unfortunately some do steal, but how many move on to target someone who sends out emails asking nicely, to a host who is not interested and/or a sponsor who thinks it's not his job to worry about pirates?

You know these people exist and who do you think the pirate is with?

So a webmaster buying content has an option, go to a supplier who protects his purchases or go to someone who does not. Same choice the pirate has steal from someone who will not be a problem or steal from someone who will be.

The pirate often not only steals the content he steals the design as well. He does that to one of my clients he toasted. Got that ARSEHOLE organisation APIC chasing him.

So please keep screaming what APIC are like, it serves to warn pirates not to steal our content.

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And serves to warn webmasters not to purchase any of it.

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I assume that most content providers, Charly and myself included, have a license that is for use on certain sites. For the license to be a legally binding document, it has to have real information on it. Otherwise, the purchaser is using the material without a license. It never ceases to amaze me how many people buy stuff from me and then don't bother to license it. They apparently don't realize that the actual purchase is not for the photos (at least some of which are being uploaded to the newsgroups or swapped in the so-called "forums" as we are posting here anyway), but for the license. So, why does someone pay for the license and then not get the license?

A content provider is like a builder's warehouse. Frequently, if you go to a builder's warehouse, you can't get in to buy lumber and sinks and dishwashers at builder discount rates unless you can prove you are a builder. A content provider is a wholesale seller, not a retail seller, so it is quite right and logical to vet a customer.

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Except you can be a lot more confident about your trip to the builders club. The shop owner is likely to be more professional about his dealings with you. He doesn't talk about your shopping habits where you hang out. He doesn't indulge in posting your name or phone number on the board where you hang out. He doesn't encourage the local web pussy mafia to beatup innocent clients as long as he manages to get a real one here and there.

Some of you "professional content providers" engage in practices like this that naturally makes it necessary for your potential customers to be more cautious in dealing with you at first.

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