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DrewKole · 08-31-2003, 04:56 PM

Looking for a bit of serious advise on getting into better shape.

I've got some serious trials to do next month, that'll really push me... =/

Would be happy gaining around 10 pounds or so, but, my current workout schedule blows, and isn't doing me right...

I know we've got some hard hitters here...

vegas2003 · 08-31-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by DrewKole
Looking for a bit of serious advise on getting into better shape.

I've got some serious trials to do next month, that'll really push me... =/

Would be happy gaining around 10 pounds or so, but, my current workout schedule blows, and isn't doing me right...

I know we've got some hard hitters here...

I'm a bodybuilder-if you have specific ?'s I can help

Peter Romero · 08-31-2003, 05:37 PM

ICQ me... too many questions and variables.

EscortBiz · 08-31-2003, 05:39 PM

You already started on the road to success by selling the PS2

Juicy D. Links · 08-31-2003, 05:40 PM

Masturbate to build up your forearms

EscortBiz · 08-31-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
Masturbate to build up your forearms

who has the pic of that guy with one huge bicep?

Juicy D. Links · 08-31-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

who has the pic of that guy with one huge bicep?

ewww i know what you are talking about let me look for it.

Funbrunette · 08-31-2003, 05:49 PM

Well...sex always does it for me

Juicy D. Links · 08-31-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
Well...sex always does it for me

You like doggystyle? ruff rufff

Funbrunette · 08-31-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by juicylinks

You like doggystyle? ruff rufff

Do you?

EscortBiz · 08-31-2003, 05:54 PM

come on where is the fuckin pic

BV · 08-31-2003, 05:54 PM

Heavy weight low reps.

Juicy D. Links · 08-31-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
come on where is the fuckin pic

EscortBiz · 08-31-2003, 05:57 PM

no not that one, thew one that says satisfied porn surfer and he has one big bicep one small one

Dusen · 08-31-2003, 06:02 PM

No joke, you should pick up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia. Lots of motivational stuff in there, great section on competition and more.

Best $20 I spent the year I bought it.

vegas2003 · 08-31-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
Masturbate to build up your forearms

if that worked, every man in the world would have huge arms

Peter Romero · 08-31-2003, 06:15 PM

OK - here we go:

Weight loss:
Eat lots of fiberous carbs and lean meat in 4-6 small meals a day.
Don't eat or drink anything 3 hours before bed.
work out the same body parts 3 times a week in long, controlled, low HR workouts.

Weight gain:
The opposite of above
Eat starchy, sugary, simple and man made carbs and high fat meats in 2-3 BIG meals every day - especially right before bed.
Hit those big muscle body parts HARD once a week training with a spotter to exhaustion so that you can barely walk afterwards.
Don't forget to warm up each muscle group before torturing it, and do a light workout of each body part as far away from it's scheduled workout as posible.

Don't ever say I never gave you nuthin.

Funbrunette · 08-31-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by juicylinks

I'm sorry, but that looks GROSS!

vegas2003 · 08-31-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette

I'm sorry, but that looks GROSS!

this is the result of injecting synthol into the arms-very unhealthy

EscortBiz · 08-31-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by vegas2003
this is the result of injecting synthol into the arms-very unhealthy

a guy tore his bicep shooting too much of that oil based bullshit

DrewKole · 08-31-2003, 06:51 PM

Nice... thanks...

I think I have the food part of it set, eating 4-6 meals a day heavy in protein and carbs both...

But, what should I be working to focus on strength and mass in my upper back, biceps, lower legs, and abs?

Any specific training for those? I've got a good gym, Im just not gaining much mass, my definition is pretty decent tho

Ian_GDM · 08-31-2003, 07:12 PM

DrewKole, what's your routine? For upper back size and overall explosive power nothing beats power cleans, heavy deadlifts will put some size on your arms. If you have been doing lots of isolation arm work try laying off and sticking with heavy compound free weight movements for a while (no machines).

That being said the foundation of mass is still the squat. A classic 20 rep squat routine will still pack the size on anything with a pulse. Also if your definition is good that means your bodyfat is pretty low, if your bodyfat is that low chances are you have too much of a caloric deficit to be packing on mass.

Va2k · 08-31-2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by DrewKole
Nice... thanks...

I think I have the food part of it set, eating 4-6 meals a day heavy in protein and carbs both...

But, what should I be working to focus on strength and mass in my upper back, biceps, lower legs, and abs?

Any specific training for those? I've got a good gym, Im just not gaining much mass, my definition is pretty decent tho

Eat tons and tons of protien lay off the cardio take creatian, whey, When I was doing the body building thing 4 years ago I got up to 252lbs at 11% body fat shooting for 8% but then got a divorce lost my job in the firedept and became a fat pig *onik* I have at the house 900.00 worth of gym shit, threadmill, two stationary bikes, and 700lbs worth of weights. I remember the feeling of a great work out god i miss it, hoping to get off my phat ass when the kids go back to skewl and start working out again at least get rid of this god awful gut of mine...

Stay away from the fake steriods like prohormons you see in the mags caused me tons of zits OH YEa eat alot of carbs as well as proten once you build up some mass start back a little cardo to get rid of any fat you gain *shrugs* worked for me good luck
pick you up a copy of Iron Man Mag and muscle mag they have some awesome things in there to build up mass
TOM

spankstrocko · 08-31-2003, 07:59 PM

A lot of people here gave you some good advice.

Are you stuck on a certain body weight?

Are you just getting back into the gym?

The answers to these questions will change the reply.

Below is an amazing fat loss diet. I give credit to Animal the author.

e-mail me for more info regarding this and other info on BB

Author: Animal

After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that
made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a
nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.'

Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut
down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of
ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me
'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this
poor soul.

Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts
down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding
to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to
take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to
take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs
going? We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet.
We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next and repeat. This maintains all the hormones,
but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way.

Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic
authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the
cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6
times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an
insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all
day!

Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing
college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you
will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order
to cell meal replacements. When did all these 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal
replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!!

We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to
sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first
thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the
morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that
would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all
that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you
eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT!
Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and
go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't
need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an
ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA
cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can
have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the
glycogen level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can
go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well.

What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others
recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour
later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to
stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete
the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe
walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you
ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high
fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours -
45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple.

This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout
and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be
spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery
substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours.

Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours
later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with
glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some
GH.

That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or
near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the
insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't
do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis.

Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you
have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal.
Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler.

This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted,
without my permission. Do it and I sue ya!

There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that
will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it
or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the
science to back this up.

spankstrocko · 08-31-2003, 08:00 PM

The Science:

Study performed by Taylor and colleagues.

Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast,
apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405
calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of
the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy
subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the
increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the
meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle
glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as
triglycerides (fat).

Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and
though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal
containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen
levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and
simple carbs with protein after a workout. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels
were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is
that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many
would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember,
if insulin is present, fat burning is negative! The magical last line!!! Four hours following the
meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into
storage as triglycerides (fat).

This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because
you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going
to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat.

Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be
figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your
post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g
whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2
hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat
for your other meals.

200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories. 200/2.2 = 90KG.

90KG = 90g carbs after workout.

90/2.5 = 36g protein.

90g carbohydrates = 360 cal.

36g protein = 145 cal protein.

Total immediate intake is 505 calories.

If you do that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories.

2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Big Macs) and
if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you
that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals.

ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories
worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in
the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout. 1390 - 500 calories
leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g
protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until
your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves
you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the
morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad for lunch.

Animalbolics FAQ:

Q: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? And do you stay on it until you are
happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Is this a good diet to run with
a cutting cycle.

A: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? I'll let you answer this for
yourself. All protein requirements are met as are carb requirements during the postworkout meals. As
long as those are met, how are you going to lose muscle? (you can't and constant supply of insulin
has NOTHING to do with maintaining muscle as AA's have their own transport system which ARE NOT
affected by insulin. And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or
two days a week or what? Most people break diets on weekends, anyhow. Watch the alcohol as that
seems to screw it up the most.

Q: Was wondering how you might modify this diet for a lunch time workout. I'm half a block from my
gym and can take a 90 min lunch break. This is very convenient and lets me have my nights free.
Also, the weight room is always damn near empty at lunch, which lets me super-set and crank up my
workout tempo. Mean while, the evening crowds are sooo bad I'd be lucky to even find a weight let a
lone lift it...
I'm not trying to compete or anything, but my BF as been a big concern over the last - (YES) - 4 to
5 years.

A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after
your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about
working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day
burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at
rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state.
Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person,
doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not
even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will
eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic
+ protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as
you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to
have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you
might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I
can see.

spankstrocko · 08-31-2003, 08:02 PM

Best way to build mass. quoted from Doggcrap:

"Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 240 or so clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria"

DrewKole · 08-31-2003, 08:17 PM

nice thanks spank... printing it out.

SuperVillain · 08-31-2003, 08:24 PM

Pick up a book called "hardcore body building a scientific approach" use the routine in their and eat amino acids like their candy to keep you in a positive nitrogen balance You'll pill on mass faster then the steroid morons

Ic3m4nZ · 08-31-2003, 08:39 PM

If you don't have time to go at the gym and ur time blows just make a little gym at ur home buy a bow flex , some weights and a bench press and you're not bad

Chaldoray · 08-31-2003, 09:57 PM

That guy with the big biceps is shit, that's called synthol they inject a shot into your bicep vein so the muscle can grow..

08-31-2003, 04:56 PM	#1
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	Any Trainers here? Looking for a bit of serious advise on getting into better shape. I've got some serious trials to do next month, that'll really push me... =/ Would be happy gaining around 10 pounds or so, but, my current workout schedule blows, and isn't doing me right... I know we've got some hard hitters here...

08-31-2003, 05:37 PM	#3
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Peter Romero Long time no happy ending Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 10,578	OK - here we go: Weight loss: Eat lots of fiberous carbs and lean meat in 4-6 small meals a day. Don't eat or drink anything 3 hours before bed. work out the same body parts 3 times a week in long, controlled, low HR workouts. Weight gain: The opposite of above Eat starchy, sugary, simple and man made carbs and high fat meats in 2-3 BIG meals every day - especially right before bed. Hit those big muscle body parts HARD once a week training with a spotter to exhaustion so that you can barely walk afterwards. Don't forget to warm up each muscle group before torturing it, and do a light workout of each body part as far away from it's scheduled workout as posible. Don't ever say I never gave you nuthin. __________________ POVCash [email protected] See them all here: http://www.Petergirls.com

08-31-2003, 06:51 PM	#21
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	Nice... thanks... I think I have the food part of it set, eating 4-6 meals a day heavy in protein and carbs both... But, what should I be working to focus on strength and mass in my upper back, biceps, lower legs, and abs? Any specific training for those? I've got a good gym, Im just not gaining much mass, my definition is pretty decent tho

08-31-2003, 07:12 PM	#22
Ian_GDM Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 50	DrewKole, what's your routine? For upper back size and overall explosive power nothing beats power cleans, heavy deadlifts will put some size on your arms. If you have been doing lots of isolation arm work try laying off and sticking with heavy compound free weight movements for a while (no machines). That being said the foundation of mass is still the squat. A classic 20 rep squat routine will still pack the size on anything with a pulse. Also if your definition is good that means your bodyfat is pretty low, if your bodyfat is that low chances are you have too much of a caloric deficit to be packing on mass.

08-31-2003, 07:59 PM	#24
spankstrocko Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 454	A lot of people here gave you some good advice. Are you stuck on a certain body weight? Are you just getting back into the gym? The answers to these questions will change the reply. Below is an amazing fat loss diet. I give credit to Animal the author. e-mail me for more info regarding this and other info on BB Author: Animal After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.' Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul. Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going? We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next and repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way. Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day! Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all these 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!! We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glycogen level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well. What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple. This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours. Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH. That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis. Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler. This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya! There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up.

08-31-2003, 08:00 PM	#25
spankstrocko Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 454	The Science: Study performed by Taylor and colleagues. Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast, apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405 calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat). Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and simple carbs with protein after a workout. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember, if insulin is present, fat burning is negative! The magical last line!!! Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat). This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat. Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2 hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat for your other meals. 200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories. 200/2.2 = 90KG. 90KG = 90g carbs after workout. 90/2.5 = 36g protein. 90g carbohydrates = 360 cal. 36g protein = 145 cal protein. Total immediate intake is 505 calories. If you do that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories. 2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Big Macs) and if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals. ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout. 1390 - 500 calories leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad for lunch. Animalbolics FAQ: Q: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Is this a good diet to run with a cutting cycle. A: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? I'll let you answer this for yourself. All protein requirements are met as are carb requirements during the postworkout meals. As long as those are met, how are you going to lose muscle? (you can't and constant supply of insulin has NOTHING to do with maintaining muscle as AA's have their own transport system which ARE NOT affected by insulin. And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Most people break diets on weekends, anyhow. Watch the alcohol as that seems to screw it up the most. Q: Was wondering how you might modify this diet for a lunch time workout. I'm half a block from my gym and can take a 90 min lunch break. This is very convenient and lets me have my nights free. Also, the weight room is always damn near empty at lunch, which lets me super-set and crank up my workout tempo. Mean while, the evening crowds are sooo bad I'd be lucky to even find a weight let a lone lift it... I'm not trying to compete or anything, but my BF as been a big concern over the last - (YES) - 4 to 5 years. A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state. Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person, doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic + protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I can see.

08-31-2003, 08:02 PM	#26
spankstrocko Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 454	Best way to build mass. quoted from Doggcrap: "Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 240 or so clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria"

08-31-2003, 08:17 PM	#27
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	nice thanks spank... printing it out.

08-31-2003, 08:24 PM	#28
SuperVillain Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 259	Pick up a book called "hardcore body building a scientific approach" use the routine in their and eat amino acids like their candy to keep you in a positive nitrogen balance You'll pill on mass faster then the steroid morons

08-31-2003, 08:39 PM	#29
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	If you don't have time to go at the gym and ur time blows just make a little gym at ur home buy a bow flex , some weights and a bench press and you're not bad

08-31-2003, 09:57 PM	#30
Chaldoray Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,868	That guy with the big biceps is shit, that's called synthol they inject a shot into your bicep vein so the muscle can grow..