so paypal fucked me. - GoFuckYourself.com

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 04:57 PM

i use paypal for *everything* online. vhost customers pay me for hosting, i do freelance coding and rely on it for that, i accept website donations to my NON-ADULT website. however, i had the paypal donate button on one of my sites which someone posted a topless/nude chick (it was a non-adult site) and they caught it and suspended me. yeah, it sucks. so i thought all i have to do is email in, get the offending url(s) and fix it - which i did. but i'm provided no appeal and they're not answering emails like a human. so i'm fucked. they won't reopen it, and all it was was a single URL with one or maybe two pics on it that were adult. the account has been in fine standing for 3 years now, thousands of dollars in and out for all sorts of things, i have had no fraud and only a couple refunds. it's pathetic. none of the tenure and such is being considered, and obviously nobody has looked at my site since then because i do not have the paypal button anymore.

anyway, i browsed around GFY for paypal replacement threads and of course there's a mixed review of everything. so maybe i'll just say what i need an account for, and someone can tell me based on personal experience whether MB, allresell, yahoo paydirect, epassporte, or other programs will work. stormpay seems to be too unprofessional and it's outside of the US and seems a little bit too shady for me. this isn't just to process credit cards, either.

i'm going to list out the features i'm looking for that paypal provided so nicely... that don't seem to be all together in any other program that i know of yet (or that i've read)

- ability to instantly fund my account with credit card/bank money on demand.
- ability for any random user who wants to send me $50 or $5 donation to my website to signup quick and use his/her credit card or bank account to send it.
- i'd like to be able to withdraw using direct deposit OR snail mail check. having the option is nice.
- it would be nice to support international folks, but it is a slightly lower priority.

eventually if i did do some sort of membership-based site with recurring payments (which i had planned to do in the future, but again, non-adult right now) i'd want it to be easy for any college kid or 65 year old man to signup and start sending cash.

basically think paypal.

does epassporte make this easy? i read they don't do recurring payments. i'm sure that's in huge demand so it will be done soon...

basically i want it to be easy for people just to click a button and signup (if they're a first timer, or hell, signup could be optional if they just send me one time payment) to send cash, funded with a credit card of theirs or tied into their bank account.

everything seems to change every couple weeks and the last thread was well over a week ago with any sort of paypal talk using the search terms i searched on.

thanks.

(by the way, paypalsucks.com IS the real deal, the runaround shit they talk about is happening to me right now)

remember - i'm not just trying to look for paysite processing. i'm looking for general send/receive money functionality, i have people that are college kids who send me money all the way to adult website owners paying me for freelance work. basically all audiences.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2004, 04:58 PM

And then?

steffie · 03-04-2004, 05:01 PM

Have you tried a merchant account? with shopping cart..

A non-adult merchant account doesn't cost anything, and a shopping cart system (non adult) like cart32.com is 20 bucks per month

It's pretty easy to get if you don't do Adult

herbalpaul · 03-04-2004, 05:04 PM

netbilling.com

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by steffie
Have you tried a merchant account? with shopping cart..

A non-adult merchant account doesn't cost anything, and a shopping cart system (non adult) like cart32.com is 20 bucks per month

It's pretty easy to get if you don't do Adult

then the onus is on me to setup a new "product" every time i do something for someone, like, i code a script... and make a special product called "script for steffie" and set the price?

i'd like to not get into recurring payments for the processor. the income is variable, some months i might not do any transactions if i'm not doing any work or anything. it's all on-demand type stuff (and i have no problem paying a little more in transaction fees for that)

shima · 03-04-2004, 05:05 PM

hmm, if I got a payment from an email with word "sex" in it, will I be suspended too? Subject was "Webdesign".

whee · 03-04-2004, 05:05 PM

They fucked my biz up too. Im totally done with paypal, they can kiss my ass twice.

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shima
hmm, if I got a payment from an email with word "sex" in it, will I be suspended too? Subject was "Webdesign".

you could, but it doesn't matter. they can freeze you any time for any reason.

at least i believe they've already cut me a check for the funds. it was only $108 but it's not totally lost.

the thing i don't like is i was told i could appeal, but they told me "no appeal" when they gave me the URL so i knew what violated it.

i told them on the phone i would start taking down paypal email addresses of people i don't like and making single page porn sites with their paypal info on it. because they'll get no appeal as well. the customer support guy said "if that's your perogative sir..."

pathetic.

Mr. Marks · 03-04-2004, 05:11 PM

netbilling.com

COLT · 03-04-2004, 05:14 PM

Did many people actually donate money through that Paypal link you had on the site?

SoundMan · 03-04-2004, 05:16 PM

beaverpay ...

exspamr · 03-04-2004, 05:19 PM

the main downfall of ebay and paypal is that its almost impossible to get in touch with a human beging on either site... ebay can be easy if you are a powerseller but if not, its pretty hard to get a person to read or reply to your email... ive managed to do so before, but never with paypal... i think the hands off approach they have is alienating a growing number of people, especially since everyone knows how much they bank and that they could easily afford to provide better service and support... it wont be the end of ebay or paypal but it could help some competitors start coming up

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by COLT
Did many people actually donate money through that Paypal link you had on the site?

not on the site that was "in violation"

on the other one, here and there, mainly because people who donate i mark their account as "premium" - so loosely-based account upgrades. again, this is just a mainstream non-adult community style site.

i figure if any group of people know the situation for billing companies on the net, it would be adult webmasters.

i want to find a single company i can use for all my ventures. be it "hey help me with this script" random people that i do some quick work for or setting up subscriptions for my site.

yahoo seems to be the most promising because almost everyone has a yahoo account already. so the first step is done in registration...

AdultNex · 03-04-2004, 05:32 PM

I've been with PayPal for the past 3 years. *knocks on wood*.

Tytan · 03-04-2004, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
i use paypal for *everything* online. vhost customers pay me for hosting, i do freelance coding and rely on it for that, i accept website donations to my NON-ADULT website. however, i had the paypal donate button on one of my sites which someone posted a topless/nude chick (it was a non-adult site) and they caught it and suspended me. yeah, it sucks. so i thought all i have to do is email in, get the offending url(s) and fix it - which i did. but i'm provided no appeal and they're not answering emails like a human. so i'm fucked. they won't reopen it, and all it was was a single URL with one or maybe two pics on it that were adult. the account has been in fine standing for 3 years now, thousands of dollars in and out for all sorts of things, i have had no fraud and only a couple refunds. it's pathetic. none of the tenure and such is being considered, and obviously nobody has looked at my site since then because i do not have the paypal button anymore.

anyway, i browsed around GFY for paypal replacement threads and of course there's a mixed review of everything. so maybe i'll just say what i need an account for, and someone can tell me based on personal experience whether MB, allresell, yahoo paydirect, epassporte, or other programs will work. stormpay seems to be too unprofessional and it's outside of the US and seems a little bit too shady for me. this isn't just to process credit cards, either.

i'm going to list out the features i'm looking for that paypal provided so nicely... that don't seem to be all together in any other program that i know of yet (or that i've read)

- ability to instantly fund my account with credit card/bank money on demand.
- ability for any random user who wants to send me $50 or $5 donation to my website to signup quick and use his/her credit card or bank account to send it.
- i'd like to be able to withdraw using direct deposit OR snail mail check. having the option is nice.
- it would be nice to support international folks, but it is a slightly lower priority.

eventually if i did do some sort of membership-based site with recurring payments (which i had planned to do in the future, but again, non-adult right now) i'd want it to be easy for any college kid or 65 year old man to signup and start sending cash.

basically think paypal.

does epassporte make this easy? i read they don't do recurring payments. i'm sure that's in huge demand so it will be done soon...

basically i want it to be easy for people just to click a button and signup (if they're a first timer, or hell, signup could be optional if they just send me one time payment) to send cash, funded with a credit card of theirs or tied into their bank account.

everything seems to change every couple weeks and the last thread was well over a week ago with any sort of paypal talk using the search terms i searched on.

thanks.

(by the way, paypalsucks.com IS the real deal, the runaround shit they talk about is happening to me right now)

remember - i'm not just trying to look for paysite processing. i'm looking for general send/receive money functionality, i have people that are college kids who send me money all the way to adult website owners paying me for freelance work. basically all audiences.

So FUCK them back, its very simple.

Ash@phpFX · 03-04-2004, 07:24 PM

another paypal victim

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultNex
I've been with PayPal for the past 3 years. *knocks on wood*.

me too. i did get a nice customer support representative once who made a note of that. said he'd request another review/appeal.

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tytan

So FUCK them back, its very simple.

how so? i'm all ears.

TweetyBird · 03-04-2004, 10:57 PM

yeah, let's hear it

Dynamix · 03-04-2004, 11:03 PM

get enough guys together and start a class-action suit. even if a bank closes your acct they have to pay you the money, i don't give a fuck how many contracts you sign. the money was addressed, sent, and received by you. paypal has no discretion over that

if paypal ever tries that shit with me they can suck my nuts.

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dynamix
get enough guys together and start a class-action suit. even if a bank closes your acct they have to pay you the money, i don't give a fuck how many contracts you sign. the money was addressed, sent, and received by you. paypal has no discretion over that

if paypal ever tries that shit with me they can suck my nuts.

there's plenty of suits against them already.

basically they can say "he violated our AUP, he can go fuck himself" and i don't see how a judge will argue.

they cut a check for my funds and are holding it for 180 days i believe, but they've already emptied the account ($108 nothing huge, i never kept money in it FOR this reason) and it says a check was written for me.

it's just nobody else offers the same features and ease-of-use and THAT's my issue. i just want my account back.

bluff · 03-04-2004, 11:16 PM

Good luck in your f***ing job!

Dynamix · 03-04-2004, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
it's just nobody else offers the same features and ease-of-use and THAT's my issue. i just want my account back.

i hear ya on that. all the other similar services blow compared to paypal, in that respect at least ;/ let's all of us gfy'ers team up and make one, just for adult transaction ;)

mike503 · 03-04-2004, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dynamix

i hear ya on that. all the other similar services blow compared to paypal, in that respect at least ;/ let's all of us gfy'ers team up and make one, just for adult transaction ;)

people keep talking about it nonstop.

there's a big market for paypal alternatives even in the mainstream.

someone just fucking make it already.

or someone like epassporte copycat paypal's UI/ease of use and feature set and add it to your suite of offerings.

digifan · 03-04-2004, 11:53 PM

Abd you should go with more options including epassporte and never worry about adult related transactions.

eskimo · 03-05-2004, 12:36 AM

Argh.. i had a bad feeling about PP. =/

Ar3s · 03-05-2004, 12:41 AM

paypalsucks.com realy have lots of things... go to their forums... ;/

Babagirls · 03-05-2004, 12:44 AM

they're startin to piss me off too....

years ago , when i joined, i would do private cam shows and get paid via paypal. they would send me a check, no problem.

now a days, you have to list your addy, #, cc's, savings, checking, pee in a cup, balance it on your head and stay away from porn like ANYTHING...wtf is their problem??

they're cutting out so much money from the porn biz!!! i dont get it!

eskimo · 03-05-2004, 12:58 AM

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prweb108796.htm

mike503 · 03-05-2004, 11:52 AM

yeah it ain't no joke. i was always nervous about relying on them, but i wasn't doing anything wrong. one stupid pic fucked me.

but i guess it's good that it got me away from them, i just don't have anything else lined up i can start promoting/using. i'd probably be getting hundreds of users to start using it instantly. especially if it's as easy as paypal to setup and use.

Cyborg69 · 03-05-2004, 11:52 AM

mike503 · 03-05-2004, 01:21 PM

the good news is, they didn't "freeze" my funds. they just closed the account. they cut me a check for the money in it and i just picked it up today. that must be record time for anything to get done.

Frank The Tank · 03-05-2004, 01:26 PM

youre not alone

www.paypalsucks.com and i use stormpay for all my shit and have done since they opened and have had no problems with them at all

Jimbo · 03-05-2004, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
the good news is, they didn't "freeze" my funds. they just closed the account. they cut me a check for the money in it and i just picked it up today. that must be record time for anything to get done.

thats nice to hear

mike503 · 03-05-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basadmin
youre not alone

www.paypalsucks.com and i use stormpay for all my shit and have done since they opened and have had no problems with them at all

oh i know. at first i was going to try to use the company directory/social engineering to get a direct line to one of the people on the compliance group (since nobody on customer support will route you to them - they "don't take phone calls") so i could talk to the goddamn human giving me copy/paste replies to my emails. but looking at paypalsucks i've decided to give up, they can pull the plug on me anytime, and i'm sure tons of people have tried my idea.

stormpay looked promising, but it's a little hokey. i tried it months ago and to fund my account i was sent off to a third party credit card processing site, which was hokey as well, it took over 24 hours for the funds to be usable ... it was a mess.

i'm surprised nobody has plugged epassporte so far. everyone knows on GFY people plug their friends/partners as a favor and shit.

PANTYHOSE PROPHET · 03-05-2004, 09:20 PM

You should really look into what my sig sponsor has to offer. I think you would be pleased.

WoDaT · 03-05-2004, 11:51 PM

I'm sick and tired of PayPal as well.

Someone come up with a site that has less bullshiet.

riosluts · 03-05-2004, 11:52 PM

Will paypal screw you if you get your revenue that way from sponsors. Many sponsors use paypal now a days as a form of payment

03-06-2004, 02:04 AM

I do not like paypal....strange rules for non-us members.

jasonir · 03-06-2004, 03:47 AM

Too many horror stories about PayPal.

Mr. Marks · 03-06-2004, 03:49 AM

Paypal, you're too much to bear.

03-04-2004, 04:57 PM	#1
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	so paypal fucked me. i use paypal for everything online. vhost customers pay me for hosting, i do freelance coding and rely on it for that, i accept website donations to my NON-ADULT website. however, i had the paypal donate button on one of my sites which someone posted a topless/nude chick (it was a non-adult site) and they caught it and suspended me. yeah, it sucks. so i thought all i have to do is email in, get the offending url(s) and fix it - which i did. but i'm provided no appeal and they're not answering emails like a human. so i'm fucked. they won't reopen it, and all it was was a single URL with one or maybe two pics on it that were adult. the account has been in fine standing for 3 years now, thousands of dollars in and out for all sorts of things, i have had no fraud and only a couple refunds. it's pathetic. none of the tenure and such is being considered, and obviously nobody has looked at my site since then because i do not have the paypal button anymore. anyway, i browsed around GFY for paypal replacement threads and of course there's a mixed review of everything. so maybe i'll just say what i need an account for, and someone can tell me based on personal experience whether MB, allresell, yahoo paydirect, epassporte, or other programs will work. stormpay seems to be too unprofessional and it's outside of the US and seems a little bit too shady for me. this isn't just to process credit cards, either. i'm going to list out the features i'm looking for that paypal provided so nicely... that don't seem to be all together in any other program that i know of yet (or that i've read) - ability to instantly fund my account with credit card/bank money on demand. - ability for any random user who wants to send me $50 or $5 donation to my website to signup quick and use his/her credit card or bank account to send it. - i'd like to be able to withdraw using direct deposit OR snail mail check. having the option is nice. - it would be nice to support international folks, but it is a slightly lower priority. eventually if i did do some sort of membership-based site with recurring payments (which i had planned to do in the future, but again, non-adult right now) i'd want it to be easy for any college kid or 65 year old man to signup and start sending cash. basically think paypal. does epassporte make this easy? i read they don't do recurring payments. i'm sure that's in huge demand so it will be done soon... basically i want it to be easy for people just to click a button and signup (if they're a first timer, or hell, signup could be optional if they just send me one time payment) to send cash, funded with a credit card of theirs or tied into their bank account. everything seems to change every couple weeks and the last thread was well over a week ago with any sort of paypal talk using the search terms i searched on. thanks. (by the way, paypalsucks.com IS the real deal, the runaround shit they talk about is happening to me right now) remember - i'm not just trying to look for paysite processing. i'm looking for general send/receive money functionality, i have people that are college kids who send me money all the way to adult website owners paying me for freelance work. basically all audiences. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

03-04-2004, 04:58 PM	#2
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03-04-2004, 05:01 PM	#3
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	Have you tried a merchant account? with shopping cart.. A non-adult merchant account doesn't cost anything, and a shopping cart system (non adult) like cart32.com is 20 bucks per month It's pretty easy to get if you don't do Adult __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

03-04-2004, 05:04 PM	#4
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03-04-2004, 05:05 PM	#7
whee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: http://www.nightstation.com Posts: 1,375	They fucked my biz up too. Im totally done with paypal, they can kiss my ass twice. __________________ http://www.nightstation.com

03-04-2004, 05:05 PM	#6
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	hmm, if I got a payment from an email with word "sex" in it, will I be suspended too? Subject was "Webdesign".

03-04-2004, 05:11 PM	#9
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	netbilling.com

03-04-2004, 05:14 PM	#10
COLT Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 25	Did many people actually donate money through that Paypal link you had on the site? __________________ I am COLT.

03-04-2004, 05:16 PM	#11
SoundMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MidWest Posts: 3,471	beaverpay ...

03-04-2004, 05:19 PM	#12
exspamr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,427	the main downfall of ebay and paypal is that its almost impossible to get in touch with a human beging on either site... ebay can be easy if you are a powerseller but if not, its pretty hard to get a person to read or reply to your email... ive managed to do so before, but never with paypal... i think the hands off approach they have is alienating a growing number of people, especially since everyone knows how much they bank and that they could easily afford to provide better service and support... it wont be the end of ebay or paypal but it could help some competitors start coming up

03-04-2004, 05:32 PM	#14
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	I've been with PayPal for the past 3 years. knocks on wood.

03-04-2004, 07:24 PM	#16
Ash@phpFX Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,292	another paypal victim

03-04-2004, 10:57 PM	#19
TweetyBird Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canadian this !!! Posts: 8,532	yeah, let's hear it __________________ sig for sale. ICQ :338213644

03-04-2004, 11:03 PM	#20
Dynamix G F Y not Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MN Posts: 2,910	get enough guys together and start a class-action suit. even if a bank closes your acct they have to pay you the money, i don't give a fuck how many contracts you sign. the money was addressed, sent, and received by you. paypal has no discretion over that if paypal ever tries that shit with me they can suck my nuts. __________________ TGPFactory Full TGP Design & Installation Services ICQ 250 142 484 · AIM TGPDynamix · Email: patrick (at) tgpfactory (dot) com See who I am at AdultWhosWho.com! Last edited by Dynamix; 03-04-2004 at 11:06 PM..

03-04-2004, 11:16 PM	#22
bluff Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bluffville Posts: 6,253	Good luck in your f***ing job!

03-04-2004, 11:53 PM	#25
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	Abd you should go with more options including epassporte and never worry about adult related transactions. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

03-05-2004, 12:36 AM	#26
eskimo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 199	Argh.. i had a bad feeling about PP. =/ __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-05-2004, 12:41 AM	#27
Ar3s So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ICQ : 207880728 Posts: 4,307	paypalsucks.com realy have lots of things... go to their forums... ;/

03-05-2004, 12:44 AM	#28
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	they're startin to piss me off too.... years ago , when i joined, i would do private cam shows and get paid via paypal. they would send me a check, no problem. now a days, you have to list your addy, #, cc's, savings, checking, pee in a cup, balance it on your head and stay away from porn like ANYTHING...wtf is their problem?? they're cutting out so much money from the porn biz!!! i dont get it! __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

03-05-2004, 12:58 AM	#29
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03-05-2004, 11:52 AM	#30
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	yeah it ain't no joke. i was always nervous about relying on them, but i wasn't doing anything wrong. one stupid pic fucked me. but i guess it's good that it got me away from them, i just don't have anything else lined up i can start promoting/using. i'd probably be getting hundreds of users to start using it instantly. especially if it's as easy as paypal to setup and use. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

03-05-2004, 11:52 AM	#31
Cyborg69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada T.O. Posts: 932	...

03-05-2004, 01:21 PM	#32
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	the good news is, they didn't "freeze" my funds. they just closed the account. they cut me a check for the money in it and i just picked it up today. that must be record time for anything to get done. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

03-05-2004, 01:26 PM	#33
Frank The Tank Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,225	youre not alone www.paypalsucks.com and i use stormpay for all my shit and have done since they opened and have had no problems with them at all __________________ aim : titanceltic icq : 307499327 Frank[@]babesandstuff.com

03-05-2004, 09:20 PM	#36
PANTYHOSE PROPHET Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 287	You should really look into what my sig sponsor has to offer. I think you would be pleased.

03-05-2004, 11:51 PM	#37
WoDaT Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 106	I'm sick and tired of PayPal as well. Someone come up with a site that has less bullshiet. __________________ -WoDaT .sruoY pU .sdradnatS ruO deppU ev'eW

03-05-2004, 11:52 PM	#38
riosluts Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,250	Will paypal screw you if you get your revenue that way from sponsors. Many sponsors use paypal now a days as a form of payment __________________

03-06-2004, 02:04 AM	#39
Alex Xe Guest Posts: n/a	I do not like paypal....strange rules for non-us members.

03-06-2004, 03:47 AM	#40
jasonir Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Toro'no Posts: 1,887	Too many horror stories about PayPal.

03-06-2004, 03:49 AM	#41
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	Paypal, you're too much to bear.