sextracker VERY close from getting blacklisted on The Hun's - GoFuckYourself.com

The Hun · 06-30-2004, 01:26 AM

I was checking sites today when I came across a blind banner by SexTracker:

Well, no news there...

Clicking it brought me to http://start.sextracker.com/Pornstars/ which has the text 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD! NO BULLSHIT - FREE HARDCORE DOWNLOAD! NO CREDITCARD NEEDED'. The instant you click the FREE download you'll be hammered with a dialer that doesn't take 'no' for an answer. I always thought advertising a dialer (that charges a lot of money) is advertised with 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' was a big no-no. Also, a dialer that doesn't take the simple two letter word 'no' for an answer. VERY annoying.

In detail... I click the 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' and get the FCI dialer right away. Obviously I click 'no'. I get a popup after that: 'You must click "yes" to continue'. HELLOOOHOOO!! BULLSHIT! A stupid, cheap attempt to make people click yes... I click 'ok' on the popup and get the dialer again. I click 'no' and get a page with blind thumbs and movies, all linked to the dialer. Many people will be fooled by those still. A blind thumb is NOT a decent way to promote a dialer... Also, there are no charges shown before the dialer is installed. In much of Europe such thing is ILLEGAL... I'm pretty sure this mtree-dialer works in the Netherlands for instance though...

Anyway, I click 'back' in an attempt to return to where I came from. Unfortunate I don't go 'back'... instead I go to http://www.mtreexxx.net/cpd/?cat=5&w...s=1+317632+the and get another dialer load. I close the dialer and check the text. 'More Free XXX Movies' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Movie Archives' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Image Archives' linking directly to the dialer. The site is titled 'Today's FREE XXX DOWNLOADS'... well... every single link on that site goes direcly to a dialer which is far from FREE... Might even be a nice case for the FTC to check out...

By now I know clicking 'back' doesn't work (ok, to make the story complete I did try more than once, came across more 'free download'-promises that linked straight to the dialer). I close the window...

I get http://www.freepicturepage.com/index.html pop up... It's a TGP, or at least it's supposed to look like that. On top of the site are blind thumbs to downloaddollars.com which start loading a dialer once you click 'em. And then, after the trades, the TGP starts...

If this is how they want to do business, fine, and I must admit that being on SexTracker is a good option for me to show advertisers the kind of traffic we draw. I know it has been good for my business. I know I send a little under 2000 people a day to that page and I have extra text on there to tell people sextracker is a counter. On other sites they're promoted with blind links like the one of top of this header.

I'm considering (as I did before) to no longer allow sextracker on galleries posted on The Hun. Surfers are tricked into installing and running dialers. Dialers are not a problem, as long as it's clear to the consumer what it is and that it's definately NOT free. These tactics are definately a blunt attempt to mislead consumers, which is why I don't want to link to it... Also, the fact that people are trapped and as a bonus a popup to another TGP is shown makes me post this here.

Now, some will be temped to say 'take this up with SexTracker'... I did. More than once. With obviously no result. I will have to take stronger measures. If there are good counters out there that don't have these tricks behind 'em let me know here, and I'll forward people that submit a sextracker counter on a gallery to a page with alternatives. I can not accept this much longer. It goes against pretty much everything The Hun stands for.

Krille · 06-30-2004, 01:27 AM

I'f you'd ever list me I'd submit galleries without sextracker counters...

Aquarius · 06-30-2004, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krille
I'f you'd ever list me I'd submit galleries without sextracker counters...

lol

EviLGuY · 06-30-2004, 01:31 AM

I'd ban em.. fuck the counters.

DaLord · 06-30-2004, 01:35 AM

Ban them. I already kicked them out.

If people need stats they should install it on their box or get their host to help it.

the Grandad · 06-30-2004, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
I was checking sites today when I came across a blind banner by SexTracker:

Well, no news there...

Clicking it brought me to http://start.sextracker.com/Pornstars/ which has the text 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD! NO BULLSHIT - FREE HARDCORE DOWNLOAD! NO CREDITCARD NEEDED'. The instant you click the FREE download you'll be hammered with a dialer that doesn't take 'no' for an answer. I always thought advertising a dialer (that charges a lot of money) is advertised with 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' was a big no-no. Also, a dialer that doesn't take the simple two letter word 'no' for an answer. VERY annoying.

In detail... I click the 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' and get the FCI dialer right away. Obviously I click 'no'. I get a popup after that: 'You must click "yes" to continue'. HELLOOOHOOO!! BULLSHIT! A stupid, cheap attempt to make people click yes... I click 'ok' on the popup and get the dialer again. I click 'no' and get a page with blind thumbs and movies, all linked to the dialer. Many people will be fooled by those still. A blind thumb is NOT a decent way to promote a dialer... Also, there are no charges shown before the dialer is installed. In much of Europe such thing is ILLEGAL... I'm pretty sure this mtree-dialer works in the Netherlands for instance though...

Anyway, I click 'back' in an attempt to return to where I came from. Unfortunate I don't go 'back'... instead I go to http://www.mtreexxx.net/cpd/?cat=5&w...s=1+317632+the and get another dialer load. I close the dialer and check the text. 'More Free XXX Movies' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Movie Archives' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Image Archives' linking directly to the dialer. The site is titled 'Today's FREE XXX DOWNLOADS'... well... every single link on that site goes direcly to a dialer which is far from FREE... Might even be a nice case for the FTC to check out...

By now I know clicking 'back' doesn't work (ok, to make the story complete I did try more than once, came across more 'free download'-promises that linked straight to the dialer). I close the window...

I get http://www.freepicturepage.com/index.html pop up... It's a TGP, or at least it's supposed to look like that. On top of the site are blind thumbs to downloaddollars.com which start loading a dialer once you click 'em. And then, after the trades, the TGP starts...

If this is how they want to do business, fine, and I must admit that being on SexTracker is a good option for me to show advertisers the kind of traffic we draw. I know it has been good for my business. I know I send a little under 2000 people a day to that page and I have extra text on there to tell people sextracker is a counter. On other sites they're promoted with blind links like the one of top of this header.

I'm considering (as I did before) to no longer allow sextracker on galleries posted on The Hun. Surfers are tricked into installing and running dialers. Dialers are not a problem, as long as it's clear to the consumer what it is and that it's definately NOT free. These tactics are definately a blunt attempt to mislead consumers, which is why I don't want to link to it... Also, the fact that people are trapped and as a bonus a popup to another TGP is shown makes me post this here.

Now, some will be temped to say 'take this up with SexTracker'... I did. More than once. With obviously no result. I will have to take stronger measures. If there are good counters out there that don't have these tricks behind 'em let me know here, and I'll forward people that submit a sextracker counter on a gallery to a page with alternatives. I can not accept this much longer. It goes against pretty much everything The Hun stands for.

you just noticed?

Ar3s · 06-30-2004, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaLord
Ban them. I already kicked them out.

If people need stats they should install it on their box or get their host to help it.

Jamie · 06-30-2004, 01:36 AM

Flyin Croc has always been a "shady" operation, imo

Fabuleux · 06-30-2004, 01:37 AM

You could at least move the fucker to the bottom of the page.

06-30-2004, 01:37 AM

just be glad that you don't get porngraph galleries submitted.

but I agree, there shouldn't be room for shady tactics. they don't do anything else but piss the surfer off and give this industry a worse name than it already has.

Vitasoy · 06-30-2004, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EviLGuY
I'd ban em.. fuck the counters.

Well the hun has been using them for gawd knows since the day I visited his site... Maybe sextracker will straighten it up and fix the problem.

BlueQuartz · 06-30-2004, 01:39 AM

yep fuck em Hun

Holly · 06-30-2004, 01:39 AM

This ain't exactly new. Those moneytree dialers have always been bad news. I remember one of the first times I ever went to the sextracker site, and this was through *webmaster* links off a webmaster resource site, I got popped with one.

SomeCreep · 06-30-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun

I'm considering (as I did before) to no longer allow sextracker on galleries posted on The Hun. Surfers are tricked into installing and running dialers. Dialers are not a problem, as long as it's clear to the consumer what it is and that it's definately NOT free. These tactics are definately a blunt attempt to mislead consumers, which is why I don't want to link to it... Also, the fact that people are trapped and as a bonus a popup to another TGP is shown makes me post this here.

I can not accept this much longer. It goes against pretty much everything The Hun stands for.

Sounds like hell. It is shit like that, which is the reason I turned off flash and active-x a long time ago.

Like you said, it does go against everything the hun stands for. Keep with your ways. That has always seemed to serve you well.

06-30-2004, 01:44 AM

Not only does this shit occur, but for some reason, any page with a sex tracker counter puts a cookie in my system that shows up in my spyware programs. I know the cookies are there to log uniques, etc, but why the fuck is it messing with my registry?

Get rid of these counters people. They are bad news and this company has no ethics.

06-30-2004, 01:44 AM

I seriously doubt that sextracker will go a goddamn thing about this. No matter how influential Hun is and no matter how many other programs have adopted different strategies in order to suit his way, Sextracker will certainly make more money keeping the vicious dialer, than to listen to Hun's request/threat and change it. The amount of total counted pages is far higher than the traffic that Hun provides.

06-30-2004, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shermsshack
Not only does this shit occur, but for some reason, any page with a sex tracker counter puts a cookie in my system that shows up in my spyware programs. I know the cookies are there to log uniques, etc, but why the fuck is it messing with my registry?

Get rid of these counters people. They are bad news and this company has no ethics.

If you're talking about ad-aware, many porn related cookies are flagged in those programs, although they don't mess with your registry whatsoever. It is not possible for a counter to mess with your registry, unless it installs something in the background. Cookies don't modify windoze registries. Don't ask me why spyware programs don't like em.

CDSmith · 06-30-2004, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
I always thought advertising a dialer (that charges a lot of money) is advertised with 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' was a big no-no. Also, a dialer that doesn't take the simple two letter word 'no' for an answer. VERY annoying.

As far as I know this practice is illegal now, and has been for some time.

Illegal or not, I wouldn't list something like that if I knew or found out about it.

Time to hit the old ban button.

Tuga · 06-30-2004, 01:48 AM

Advertisers know what The Hun is worth with or without sextracker. The question is, how many visitors are you getting every day from your sextracker listing?

The Hun · 06-30-2004, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
I seriously doubt that sextracker will go a goddamn thing about this. No matter how influential Hun is and no matter how many other programs have adopted different strategies in order to suit his way, Sextracker will certainly make more money keeping the vicious dialer, than to listen to Hun's request/threat and change it.

Partially agreed. I don't want to brag or anything, but I know WebSiteStory went downhill very quickly when I move from them to SexTracker. Now, obviously there were other reasons as well, but I know that having the big sites on a counter is a big help for a counter to get big. Al4A already left SexTracker ages ago, if more move from there to one other place that new player could take over the way SexTracker did when WebSiteStory went down the drain...

WicKed NinJas · 06-30-2004, 01:50 AM

havent used them for a long long time, I will stick with paycounter when I use one but for the most part server stats suit me fine for galleries.

SykkBoy · 06-30-2004, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaLord
Ban them. I already kicked them out.

If people need stats they should install it on their box or get their host to help it.

but without them (the sextracker stats), they wouldn't be able to sell their gallery spots (for as much money) ;-)

WicKed NinJas · 06-30-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
Partially afreed. I don't want to brag or anything, but I know WebSiteStory went downhill very quickly when I move from them to SexTracker. Now, obviously there were other reasons as well, but I know that having the big sites on a counter is a big help for a counter to get big. Al4A already left SexTracker ages ago, if more move from there to one other place that new player could take over the way SexTracker did when WebSiteStory went down the drain...

all about supply and demand, you demand a change and we supply it, at least those of us that submit to you. What I dont understand is if other big sites have left and you know they are pulling bullshit why stick around? I understand traffic comes from there but your the hun for christ sake, my server blows up when you list me so you cant lose that much traffic from switching can you?

The Don

bluff · 06-30-2004, 01:53 AM

the people from deluxepass are currently working on an invisible counter without the tricks porngraph had. It's now in beta mode (you can apply for joing the beta test if you have over 100,000 uniques daily) and will be launch mid-july.

06-30-2004, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
Partially agreed. I don't want to brag or anything, but I know WebSiteStory went downhill very quickly when I move from them to SexTracker. Now, obviously there were other reasons as well, but I know that having the big sites on a counter is a big help for a counter to get big. Al4A already left SexTracker ages ago, if more move from there to one other place that new player could take over the way SexTracker did when WebSiteStory went down the drain...

Good point. If more and more players choose an alternative, it will hurt a counter service on the long run. Especially, since webmasters have the tendency to act upon what other people do, and if you dump them, people might start asking why, get a clue and remove ST as their primary tracker as well. No doubt this move could do major damage.

Personally, I have never fully understood the use of counters. To me, they've been annoyances for the most part, and you don't want your traffic to leak thru to them anyway. Why not use a server-side stats program, and make it public for advertizers to see, if that is your concern? I am sure you could have something custom built in notime.

the Grandad · 06-30-2004, 01:56 AM

I'm sure they will make "special Arrangements" just for you

06-30-2004, 01:56 AM

Advertizers know what volumes to expect from Hun's traffic. Well, at least most people do.

[IMG]http://***********/hunowned.gif[/IMG]

NickB. · 06-30-2004, 01:57 AM

Maybe we should talk with the bigger TGP's out there and see what we can do about all this!

I'm sure someone is smart enough to create a good counter...

CDSmith · 06-30-2004, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WicKed NinJas
I understand traffic comes from there but your the hun for christ sake, my server blows up when you list me so you cant lose that much traffic from switching can you?

What's this about losing traffic? Patrick won't lose any traffic, his surfers who submit galleries with sextrackers on them will find out pretty damned quick that their galleries are being rejected because of their tracker and they will scramble to find a new tracker that plays by the rules.

A shitload of webmasters will dump their sextracker accounts and move on because of this. That's all. Either sextracker will give a shit and do something about it or they won't. No skin of the Hun's ass though.

Fabuleux · 06-30-2004, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Personally, I have never fully understood the use of counters. To me, they've been annoyances for the most part, and you don't want your traffic to leak thru to them anyway. Why not use a server-side stats program, and make it public for advertizers to see, if that is your concern? I am sure you could have something custom built in notime.

Ofcourse this also applies to galleries

06-30-2004, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabuleux
Ofcourse this also applies to galleries

I've been using SS stats for years... used porngraph for comparison but then dumped it after the new owners fucked everything up.

RP Fade · 06-30-2004, 02:04 AM

We only use internal trackers on our sites..peace of mind and keeps attention away

The Hun · 06-30-2004, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Personally, I have never fully understood the use of counters. To me, they've been annoyances for the most part, and you don't want your traffic to leak thru to them anyway. Why not use a server-side stats program, and make it public for advertizers to see, if that is your concern? I am sure you could have something custom built in notime.

I started using 3rd party counters 'cause advertisers pretty much demanded it. They didn't believe/trust my own stats. And though there are ways to make a counter get higher up in the carts people tend to trust those numbers better than own stats. It is very good advertising for a site like mine to be on there for as long as it did (and still does).

06-30-2004, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
I started using 3rd party counters 'cause advertisers pretty much demanded it. They didn't believe/trust my own stats. And though there are ways to make a counter get higher up in the carts people tend to trust those numbers better than own stats. It is very good advertising for a site like mine to be on there for as long as it did (and still does).

Now that it causes issues, good luck finding an alternative. Out of curiosity, I've always heard that tracker stats are 10-15%, sometimes up to 25% off from the actual visitor count (lower that is), if you don't keep the code up top. What experience have you made? I'm sure you keep perfect track of your own server stats.

CDSmith · 06-30-2004, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
If there are good counters out there that don't have these tricks behind 'em let me know here, and I'll forward people that submit a sextracker counter on a gallery to a page with alternatives. I can not accept this much longer. It goes against pretty much everything The Hun stands for.

www.paycounter.com

www.sexlist.com

I've used these two for years when I feel the need to use one that is. To my knowledge there have been none of these problems like you've experienced with sextracker.

The Hun · 06-30-2004, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Now that it causes issues, good luck finding an alternative. Out of curiosity, I've always heard that tracker stats are 10-15%, sometimes up to 25% off from the actual visitor count (lower that is), if you don't keep the code up top. What experience have you made? I'm sure you keep perfect track of your own server stats.

We don't track counts on the server, somehow that number seemed irrelevant 'cause we were the only ones looking at 'em. We do keep close track of bandwidth and CPU usage, 'cause that's a number we need to act on in case of changes. For the visitor counts I rely on the 3rd party counter.

In the beginning we did keep track of both (up untill about 4 years ago) and the number you're talking about seem about right. Especially putting the counter on the bottom changed a lot (lower count the lower the counter is). I assume that changed for the better now almost everybody is on broad band Internet

hova · 06-30-2004, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nickbaauw
Maybe we should talk with the bigger TGP's out there and see what we can do about all this!

I'm sure someone is smart enough to create a good counter...

Triple 6 · 06-30-2004, 02:26 AM

dialers that dont take no for an answer are really abusing shit

polish_aristocrat · 06-30-2004, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamie
Flyin Croc has always been a "shady" operation, imo

They pay on time, what's shady with it? ARS dialers were even more agressive but you wouldn't call ARS poeple shady because of it.

TDF · 06-30-2004, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
They pay on time, what's shady with it? ARS dialers were even more agressive but you wouldn't call ARS poeple shady because of it.

color me badd-hands of time comes to mind

Fabuleux · 06-30-2004, 02:32 AM

Actually I know someone working on/finished a non commercial counter, he would be honored to have his counter on The Hun lol.

DESIREbyDESIGN · 06-30-2004, 02:33 AM

What is the logic behind using such a fucted up strategy?

I can't think of any. No one likes to be lied to.

Who knows any surfers that would be 'turned on' by that kind of manipulation?

There is also NO logic in wanting to mess with the HUN.

slavdogg · 06-30-2004, 02:39 AM

i always found it ironic how The Hun makes the rules to give the surfers even more free porn and easier to find it

MaDalton · 06-30-2004, 02:52 AM

i will never get listed by The Hun since I'm hosting at the obviously wrong company - no matter how good my galleries are.

grumpy · 06-30-2004, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaDalton
i will never get listed by The Hun since I'm hosting at the obviously wrong company - no matter how good my galleries are.

Time to change your hosting then. If the hun is blaicklistibg them soon others will follow.

strobi · 06-30-2004, 03:18 AM

I love these posts

Well I just submit very clean galleries (no counters, no bullshit) and you list me almost all the time, thx

NickB. · 06-30-2004, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaDalton
i will never get listed by The Hun since I'm hosting at the obviously wrong company - no matter how good my galleries are.

Stop crying, you know what you are doing wrong and you 're not willing to change it so.... Stop bitching

WicKed NinJas · 06-30-2004, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
What's this about losing traffic? Patrick won't lose any traffic, his surfers who submit galleries with sextrackers on them will find out pretty damned quick that their galleries are being rejected because of their tracker and they will scramble to find a new tracker that plays by the rules.

A shitload of webmasters will dump their sextracker accounts and move on because of this. That's all. Either sextracker will give a shit and do something about it or they won't. No skin of the Hun's ass though.

ok not sure if you were disagreeing with what I said or what since we both pretty much said the same thing, My point was that the few hits lost that came from sextracker wouldnt be but a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the traffic so it wouldnt matter.

Reak · 06-30-2004, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by strobi
I love these posts Well I just submit very clean galleries (no counters, no bullshit) and you list me almost all the time, thx

i feel love in this post

Scott McD · 06-30-2004, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Advertizers know what volumes to expect from Hun's traffic. Well, at least most people do.

[IMG]http://***********/hunowned.gif[/IMG]

Mwahahaha !!

06-30-2004, 01:26 AM	#1
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	sextracker VERY close from getting blacklisted on The Hun's I was checking sites today when I came across a blind banner by SexTracker: Well, no news there... Clicking it brought me to http://start.sextracker.com/Pornstars/ which has the text 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD! NO BULLSHIT - FREE HARDCORE DOWNLOAD! NO CREDITCARD NEEDED'. The instant you click the FREE download you'll be hammered with a dialer that doesn't take 'no' for an answer. I always thought advertising a dialer (that charges a lot of money) is advertised with 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' was a big no-no. Also, a dialer that doesn't take the simple two letter word 'no' for an answer. VERY annoying. In detail... I click the 'FREE XXX DOWNLOAD' and get the FCI dialer right away. Obviously I click 'no'. I get a popup after that: 'You must click "yes" to continue'. HELLOOOHOOO!! BULLSHIT! A stupid, cheap attempt to make people click yes... I click 'ok' on the popup and get the dialer again. I click 'no' and get a page with blind thumbs and movies, all linked to the dialer. Many people will be fooled by those still. A blind thumb is NOT a decent way to promote a dialer... Also, there are no charges shown before the dialer is installed. In much of Europe such thing is ILLEGAL... I'm pretty sure this mtree-dialer works in the Netherlands for instance though... Anyway, I click 'back' in an attempt to return to where I came from. Unfortunate I don't go 'back'... instead I go to http://www.mtreexxx.net/cpd/?cat=5&w...s=1+317632+the and get another dialer load. I close the dialer and check the text. 'More Free XXX Movies' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Movie Archives' linking directly to the dialer, 'Free XXX Image Archives' linking directly to the dialer. The site is titled 'Today's FREE XXX DOWNLOADS'... well... every single link on that site goes direcly to a dialer which is far from FREE... Might even be a nice case for the FTC to check out... By now I know clicking 'back' doesn't work (ok, to make the story complete I did try more than once, came across more 'free download'-promises that linked straight to the dialer). I close the window... I get http://www.freepicturepage.com/index.html pop up... It's a TGP, or at least it's supposed to look like that. On top of the site are blind thumbs to downloaddollars.com which start loading a dialer once you click 'em. And then, after the trades, the TGP starts... If this is how they want to do business, fine, and I must admit that being on SexTracker is a good option for me to show advertisers the kind of traffic we draw. I know it has been good for my business. I know I send a little under 2000 people a day to that page and I have extra text on there to tell people sextracker is a counter. On other sites they're promoted with blind links like the one of top of this header. I'm considering (as I did before) to no longer allow sextracker on galleries posted on The Hun. Surfers are tricked into installing and running dialers. Dialers are not a problem, as long as it's clear to the consumer what it is and that it's definately NOT free. These tactics are definately a blunt attempt to mislead consumers, which is why I don't want to link to it... Also, the fact that people are trapped and as a bonus a popup to another TGP is shown makes me post this here. Now, some will be temped to say 'take this up with SexTracker'... I did. More than once. With obviously no result. I will have to take stronger measures. If there are good counters out there that don't have these tricks behind 'em let me know here, and I'll forward people that submit a sextracker counter on a gallery to a page with alternatives. I can not accept this much longer. It goes against pretty much everything The Hun stands for.

06-30-2004, 01:37 AM	#9
Fabuleux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,543	You could at least move the fucker to the bottom of the page. __________________

06-30-2004, 01:39 AM	#13
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	This ain't exactly new. Those moneytree dialers have always been bad news. I remember one of the first times I ever went to the sextracker site, and this was through webmaster links off a webmaster resource site, I got popped with one. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

06-30-2004, 01:44 AM	#16
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	I seriously doubt that sextracker will go a goddamn thing about this. No matter how influential Hun is and no matter how many other programs have adopted different strategies in order to suit his way, Sextracker will certainly make more money keeping the vicious dialer, than to listen to Hun's request/threat and change it. The amount of total counted pages is far higher than the traffic that Hun provides. Last edited by X37375787; 06-30-2004 at 01:47 AM..

06-30-2004, 01:48 AM	#19
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	Advertisers know what The Hun is worth with or without sextracker. The question is, how many visitors are you getting every day from your sextracker listing? __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

06-30-2004, 01:27 AM	#2
Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	I'f you'd ever list me I'd submit galleries without sextracker counters...

06-30-2004, 01:31 AM	#4
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	I'd ban em.. fuck the counters.

06-30-2004, 01:35 AM	#5
DaLord Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,318	Ban them. I already kicked them out. If people need stats they should install it on their box or get their host to help it.

06-30-2004, 01:36 AM	#8
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Flyin Croc has always been a "shady" operation, imo

06-30-2004, 01:39 AM	#12
BlueQuartz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	yep fuck em Hun

06-30-2004, 01:44 AM	#15
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Not only does this shit occur, but for some reason, any page with a sex tracker counter puts a cookie in my system that shows up in my spyware programs. I know the cookies are there to log uniques, etc, but why the fuck is it messing with my registry? Get rid of these counters people. They are bad news and this company has no ethics.

06-30-2004, 01:50 AM	#21
WicKed NinJas Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty South Posts: 965	havent used them for a long long time, I will stick with paycounter when I use one but for the most part server stats suit me fine for galleries. __________________ CLICK HERE FOR SOME EXTREME PAYCHECKS 178.247.277

06-30-2004, 01:53 AM	#24
bluff Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bluffville Posts: 6,253	the people from deluxepass are currently working on an invisible counter without the tricks porngraph had. It's now in beta mode (you can apply for joing the beta test if you have over 100,000 uniques daily) and will be launch mid-july.

06-30-2004, 01:56 AM	#26
the Grandad Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Retirement Home (Almost) Posts: 1,038	I'm sure they will make "special Arrangements" just for you __________________ The Oldest Pimp in Town

06-30-2004, 01:57 AM	#28
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Maybe we should talk with the bigger TGP's out there and see what we can do about all this! I'm sure someone is smart enough to create a good counter...

06-30-2004, 02:04 AM	#32
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	We only use internal trackers on our sites..peace of mind and keeps attention away __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com

06-30-2004, 02:26 AM	#38
Triple 6 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: isN'T everything Posts: 5,394	dialers that dont take no for an answer are really abusing shit __________________ SIG TOO SMALL! Maximum 1200x600 button and no more than 30 text lines of ALL SIZES and COLORS. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 6240x4800 instead of a 1024x800.

06-30-2004, 02:32 AM	#41
Fabuleux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,543	Actually I know someone working on/finished a non commercial counter, he would be honored to have his counter on The Hun lol. __________________

06-30-2004, 02:33 AM	#42
DESIREbyDESIGN Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 239	What is the logic behind using such a fucted up strategy? I can't think of any. No one likes to be lied to. Who knows any surfers that would be 'turned on' by that kind of manipulation? There is also NO logic in wanting to mess with the HUN. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-30-2004, 02:39 AM	#43
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	i always found it ironic how The Hun makes the rules to give the surfers even more free porn and easier to find it

06-30-2004, 02:52 AM	#44
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,828	i will never get listed by The Hun since I'm hosting at the obviously wrong company - no matter how good my galleries are. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

06-30-2004, 03:18 AM	#46
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	I love these posts Well I just submit very clean galleries (no counters, no bullshit) and you list me almost all the time, thx