adultwpc

We certainly won't be closing shop and as time moves on and the word gets around from the webmasters using WebPassCard you can hear their words instead of mine.

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detoxed

Some people want to know how webpasscard wont get shitload of chargebacks themselves, and lose the ability to process

TheDoc

Because it works like epassport. The visitor/member doesn't purchase a membership from your site.

The visitor / member purchases pre-paid funds into a webpasscard account. They load the account with $100. When the person wants to purchase access to your site they use a webpasscard that deducts $20 from the account.

Seeming it's not a 3rd party processor webpasscard can dispute the chargeback. But it's not a chargeback from your site it's from a loaded account and much much harder to chargeback.

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adultwpc:

What exactly is your position with this company? You into PR or sales?

I'm just wondering about the "attitude" some have already noticed. It says a lot...

Webby

adultwpc:

So... You are asking folks to dump 1k on "Webpasscard" for "associated merchant costs" for one domain and a further "one time fee of $300.00" for each additional domain, then charge 15% - 17.5% per transaction? That's very modest.

The answer to the above is in keeping with your "attitude" - total bullshit. My normal setup fees for WebbyPassCard are $5K - that's all!

Webmasters would have to be more than hard up for processing to play that game - any established processor offers more for less and merchant accounts are cheap in comparison to a prestige "Webpasscard". Why should *anyone* trust "Webpasscard" with their money, nevermind the fees?

Na.. don't answer - I can't be bothered with total bullshitters..

adultwpc

What bullshit? Everything is up front. What attitude? I mean let us look realistically at the responses to this announcement. Is this the focal point of every topic? I certainly hope not.

When you process with someone else how much are you really paying? 12%? Are you really only paying 12% or is it more? Can you say chargeback's?

When you get an adult internet merchant account how much do you have to pay to get started?

What are your monthly volume limits? If you think a $10,000 limit per month is all you need well then that's great for you. But there are many out there that need much more than that.

How about reserves, the reserves that you could be spending on more advertising for instance rather than waiting?

Can you advertise your site using the word FREE?

I understand this is new to many so why not do the math?

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Validus

Do you have a bank license or e-money license?

Alex From San Diego

How many end users are carrying the Webpasscard in their wallet currently?

Webby

adultwpc:

You are surely well aware of the above percentages and 15% to 17.5% is high. Chargeback percentages, least in our instance are so pathetically low - they are irrelevant. The idea of charging an extra $300 setup for each additional domain is... well, just an excuse to charge money :-) There are no real costs, unless WebPassCard has been conned elsewhere.

The value of a merchant account is vastly different - you must know the costs are much lower to operate a merchant account.

I think I understand what you are offering - frankly the setup and ongoing costs are not competitve and there is the matter of "track record". Ya gotta excuse me, but I've been around in the adult biz for decades and I've seen all this stuff before and worked thru the possibilites in our own company of what you are doing. There is *possibly* a marketable product "avoiding" cards, but I doubt this format is "it".

But good luck to ya!

Webby

Alex From San Diego:

I'm counting my fingers now.. If I "get it", part of the marketing side is brand building on the card. It needs loads more work and money stuffed into this - many millions.

Clearly this requires more than an anonymous annoucement on GFY and a full declaration of the financial backing of the Webpasscard owners.

Alex From San Diego

Webby we might have different political views, but I'm with you on this.

Webby

Alex From San Diego:

Screw politics - that's for "amusement" and "debating" time!


Life has much more interesting stuff!

Sexy Rex

adultwpc, who are you already working with in the industry? What program already uses your solution?

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adultwpc

Sure brand building is relevant to all businesses. When someone wants to join a site or buy a product, having a WebPassCard before they click that button is not a requirement. The consumer gets their WebPassCard automatically when they subscribe or buy. If they don't validate the WebPassCard after the purchase is made they cannot use that card for another purchase. They would then have to repeat the process again if the site accepts WebPassCard which is basically the same as filling out any other form to pay using a credit card.

I think I already addressed this earlier?

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Platinumpimp

he's being chatty katty, but it sounds like a big scam

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Mike Okitch

Exactly.


After all this, no reference for a guy in the biz since '96.

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adultwpc

Sorry, not into swamping peoples email boxes with a bunch emails. I hope you can appreciate that?

Hey I got an idea! The next time you setup a business phone somewhere you can ask your phone company for references to be sure you have someone to call after it's setup!

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Alex From San Diego

Not to sound like an ass, but I can't appreciate that.

I think the question is pretty simple. What have you done since 96?

adultwpc

Lets be real dude! What would be a satisfactory answer? You want to know how many websites I've run? You want to know how much money I've made? You want to know every person since 1996 that I've done business with? I'm not going to tell you man, period. I've announced a great company that's beneficial to the adult webmaster at large. Welcome!

I do enjoy this back and forth thing. It's quite fun sometimes. Thank you

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Webby

adultwpc:

Am I missing something? Who are the owners and what is their background and what funding is supporting this? Who is adultwpc in real life and what have you done in the adult biz since 1996? Ya gotta give folks "some" confidence :-)

As a clue, assuming for a moment the "backing" is fine, it sounds like ya need to support this a lot more - and get out and have "chats" with the adult biz press (AVN blah) and link up with known names (the kind who cultivate publicity and become "gurus" or "trusted"*s*) and get some recommendations.

There has, I'm sure you know, been a string of "processors" coming and going and leaving people in the shit with all their rebilling screwed. After a time this kinda annoys webmasters and creates a "barrier" which Webpasscard will have to break thru. This is not going to happen quickly and it going to cost one hell of a lot of money to launch.

I don't know where you are planning to go with this concept - but it "appears" that card branding may be "necessary" (or is it?) and that may be the failing mainly due to the cost. VISA had some backing when they did this

Validus

Could you answer my pervious two questions please?

1. Could you give us all a little background about yourself and what you have been doing the last couple of years? Who have you worked for? Who have you been processing? What is your chargeback history?

2. Do you have a bank or e-money license?

Webby

adultwpc:

Believe me.. this is not a "back and forth" thing.

I does not matter a toss if you have not been an "acheiver" and made some mark on this biz and what sites you may have operated. Business, especially this biz, sinks and rises like a corpse - ya roll with the flow.

I "think" all that is being asked is who you can give as a reference and "broadly" ... well.. who the fuck are you?

And, no.. there is no reason to tell the world what you had for breakfast :-)

Alex From San Diego

I don't want to know how many websites you have run or I really don't care how much money you have made or make. How about what is your history in the adult industry? You be real.

The mere fact that you are avoiding or dancing around the subject tells me, yes, you have maybe been around the adult industry since 96 but jerking off to porn since 96 doesn't count and I am to assume that you probably started within the last 3-6 months unless you can tell us otherwise with projects or something someone here might be familiar with.

Webby

Alex From San Diego:

Damn... I thought I was "net qualifed". All these rules ya make!

Gotta go - will call back later!

adultwpc

Thanks guy and gals. It's been interesting and I appreciate all the feedback. Keep an eye out for us. And remember the word assume. Maybe some will remember what good ol' Benny Hill would say: If you assume, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"

See you out there

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ldinternet

aka "goes straight into my pocket" fee.

Webby

adultwpc:

I "assume" you are not going to state your credientials and "assume" you are not even willing to provide a contact reference?

If this "assumption" is correct - we can "assume" there is a small problem.

woj

Do you agree that use of this service may reduce conversion ratios?

If Joe the surfer wants to buy a membership to a $2.99 trial membership, he wants to do just that...

he doesnt want to get an account with webpasscard, fill it up with $50, pay for porn... etc

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Validus

Well, I was really hoping to get my questions answered. I guess, that won't happen though.

Kevin2

adultwpc you have said nothing in this thread that makes me feel confortable about dealing with you. All you have done is side step important questions regarding references.

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For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Hope to hear from you

Thanks.

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acratophorum

This sounds interesting. However, I don't understand why you are dodging questions. Most of these questions seem to be legit...webmasters want to know that they won't be screwed again.

I have a few questions of my own. Firstly, to be a processor in North America, per se, you MUST be a licensed financial institution, like a bank. Are you an acredited financial institution?

Secondly, customers can successfully execute a chargeback under two pretenses: 1) never received product 2) product not as described.

How will you determine if the, say, content, is not as described? When customers file a chargeback under this pretense, it is very often with the intention of getting something for free...So, in essence, you are left judging how 'hardcore' the site must be to be considered hardcore...

Also, on your website you accept American Express...Won't they freeze your account when they find out their cards are being used to *indirectly* purchase porn?

One more thing....as everyone knows, whenever a credit card transaction takes place without a signature, the customer has basically the 'carte blanche' to chargeback...how do you prevent this?

Understand, this is not some sort of attack...you came onto the boards to spam your services; surely you anticipated questions!

doober

thats a hell of a screening process in your quest to drum up some biz.
Skating around all the q's posted here thus far isnt helping you any either

acratophorum

Yes, they may be able to dispute the chargeback, but since their is no customer signature, the customer can still successfully execute a chargeback...maybe the merchant will not be charged a cb fee, but cb's can kill this company, resulting in a Globill type situation.

adultwpc

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adultwpc

What questions?

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Mike Okitch

Have you not seen several people essentially asking the same question.

I'll repeat it just in case you missed it.

But you've dodged it so far and won't be surprised if you dodge it again.

Respecting and considering the fact that you stated that you sir have been in business since 1996, the majority of people posting on this thread find reason to believe that you must have been working on some projects, sites and people (actually having names) since that time.

The same said majority of people, in a desire to not be, what is called in fancy scientific terms, assfucked, demand that you mention the names of projects, sites and people (yes, the human beings, the kind with a belly button) that you have been working with. What are they?

Failure to answer this simple question may cause acne and greasy rectal discharges. It may also cause people to lack interest in your services.

I believe you will dodge the question since you have dodged mine and everyone elses. But at least I'll have tried.

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detoxed

No shit.. but thats not true. I did a chargeback on money I sent through Western Union. Over $1000....easy to chargeback.

adultwpc

You may email me with your references and questions about my references as stated in a post above to [email protected] and be sure to include your nickname so I know who I'm talking to. You don't have include your nickname if you don't want to, I'll understand.

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ModelPerfect

Sorry, but we don't have to prove anything. You're not using our service, we're potentially using yours. If we use your service, then you get your money whether we're established or not. What everyone in the board is interested in is making sure THEY are NOT going to get screwed. So far you've done absolutely nothing but evade the issue. If you don't want to prove your legit, then that's fine. You're under no obligation to do so, but I wouldn't expect anyone on this board to use your service.

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ModelPerfect

I still don't understand how you can say that. How do they charge their account? A credit card is used. Maybe not directly for access, but they do use one to charge their accounts.

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adultwpc

Actually you would be placed under scruitiny before you are accepted as a WebPassCard merchant. We don't want to get "screwed" either. Feel free to email me if you really are worried about getting "screwed."

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Mike Okitch

I have references from Hustler, Penthouse and Club.

I also work on a regular basis with sexxxysheeps.com

I buy stuff from them all the time and that makes me a pro in the biz

/sarcasm

My references don't mean shit. You're the one claiming to have a service that's all that. You have the burden of proof buddy, not me.

The fact is you dodged the question AGAIN. My questions and everyone elses sums up in

-Who the fuck are you?

-Since 96, what the fuck have you done?

-Since 96, who the fuck did you work for?

Remember that you are the one trying to sell a service here, not me. So how about you post here answering my questions?

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ModelPerfect

Listen, I'd be the one giving you money for the account and trusting you with MY money from MY business. I have no desire to work with someone who's being so evasive. No offense meant and no hard feelings here, but I can't think of any words that could be said in private email that would get my hackles back down. I wish you all the best. Good luck.

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adultwpc

Coming from an anonymous person. Email me, dude? I'll answer your questions. You know where our site is. Where is yours? Because if you want to do business with us we'll need to know eventually. So why not share it with everyone? You have an interest in doing business? Is that why you post here? Or are there other reasons?

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adultwpc

No problem, good luck to you as well.

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Centurion

I bet he's having to beat off ( ) webmasters because they are signing up like mad due to his very warm & fuzzy business like manner!

sean416

After reading this post I have come to two conclusions.

1. He will never supply a reference because he doesnt have any.

2. I wouldnt use this service untill I hear about it elsewhere other then one post on GFY.

I mean shit, do you guys realize he got offended that someone said this was spam because he is an "established" webmaster... but yet no one including himself can or will verify this.

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Centurion

If everything is on the up and up and you are a professional looking for other professionals to join your program, why don't you share WHO the heck you are.

What's your name..or your handle you've used in the adult biz since 1996? How about some sites YOU ran/are running?

When you're handling MY money..I want to know EVERYTHING I can about you and your company.

Centurion

You advertise here..but you sure as heck ain't going to ANSWER any questions here eh? Why do I keep waiting for Amp to suddenly jump out and say "SUPRISE!"?