RedShoe

Does anyone know what the best free host for getting posted at the Hun is?

He declined Lightning free, and TGPfreespace. Said JavaScript was in the headers, or exit popups...

I have paid hosting, but I'm not sure if I'm ready yet to see a huge bandwidth bill. If my calculations are correct, I estimate about 10k hits an hour from the hun.
10k x 24 = 240k hits a day
240k divided by 10% of actuall banner/text link clicks = 24K link clicks
24k to AP at .04 per click = $960.00 in one day at the hun.
And that doesn't include an signups.

Does that sound right?

BTW, I just pulled those numbers out of my ass. Since I've never made it on the Hun I wouldn't know. Fuck me if I'm wrong.

So, which free host does he go with most often?

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Techie Media

Excuse me but Lightning Free Is most Definately accepted on the Hun !!!!
Theres Galleries up today, yesterday and basically everyday... Maybe his script picked up on a sponsor that You are using???
I am friends with Hun and we work closely with each other to keep our sponsors clean...

In the future do your homework before you slander me in public. If you just go to his site and see who is posted and then you will know...

Another thing, your math is so far off it's not funny, You will not even come close to making $960 dollars in 1 day... If it were that easy then there would be alot happier webmasters out there...

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ldinternet

Er.... no.

A good listing will get you 250k over a three day period. That is what I saw last week.

Depending on your gallery set up, you will average 1 to 1.5% click throughs. Of course higher numbers are achievable... regardless of what the bullshitters say, 10% click throughs is rare as guys in this biz earning $10 million per year, for example...

But don't forget if you're promoting Amateur Pages, you'll need to be using BOTH the partnership program and the click through program. The reason for this is simple...

Initially, you'll see a surge of shitty traffic. No matter what people say - whether Hun's quality is better than anyone else - it is a fact that 99.83% of tgp surfers are freeloading cheap ass bastards. Let's say 2k banner clicks over the three day period, at a 0.8% click ratio (this may be higher because of the Amateur Pages banners... I don't know, it's just an example!) In this, you may have three signups, good enough for you to be paid 0.06c/click.

After this, you'll see a HUGE drop, because you're just not getting the traffic any more. This is when you change your page... no, don't blindlink the fuck out of it cause you'll get banned - you just change the banner links.

The reason? You'll start to see SE traffic, and that gallery will start to convert like crazy generate unbelievable sales ratios. You want be be converting at 1:90 and have Lensman pay you 90*0.06= $5.40 per signup? Fuck that shit... change the linking codes to the partnership program after a week.

The only tgp I know of that will remove your link for changing the page is Richard's Realm - but fuck it. Nobody minds, I'm sure that Hun wouldn't give two fucks if you change just the destination URL of the banner from AP clickthough to AP parnership... you're never going to be banned for something like that, it is insignificant. Besides... the only reason that RR will remove your link is because of their "robot"... but like I said fuck it, he doesn't send ANY traffic after a few days anyway... ZERO, O, NIL!

You'll see traffic from Hun's archives, about 100-200 people per day. This is just the same free loading crowd, don't expect it to be any better quality.

Besides that, I have a rant. I look at sites like Snakes World, AL4A... and I want to yell in their ear, "WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING MEMBERSHIPS, YOU DUMB FUCKING MUTTS!"
Alright, blind links and a million consoles are one things... but three text links are another. "You must have no more than 1 fucking text link, banners must be such and such..."

Please understand that I have nothing against Snake or AL4A, but let's see... Snakes World has 7 banners and 23 sponsor text links. Besides that, a shitload of free porn, so few banners that I imagine it's hard to make sales. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know... but I've experimented with AL4A before submitting clean galleries, and I made ZILTCH!

Why don't these people realise that they're screwing themselves out of business? For example... I can submit what they would consider to be a "dirty" site to The Hun - big glossy hardcore animated banners, big fuck off text links, and 15 pics... and be listed, receive $300 for my hard work. Tell me I'd make more with a single three word text link on an AL4A listind and I'd call you a liar. Why? Because I've done it before. I don't like their rules, I don't submit there anymore. Fuck 'em.

But it's true - all tgps are centres of shit sucking traffic - there is money to be made, but not a lot. Why do people bookmark? To come back and look at FREE porn... they don't come back to look at fucking banners. You aren't going to earn $10 million year from from tgps like search engine guys can... submitting galleries four hours per week sounds easy - but these se guys are getting a high fold more and doing fuck all for it, no worries. I'm submitting galleries four hours per week, these fuckers are out playing golf, don't even have to do anything to receive their $11,000 daily.

But one last thing. How many shops, malls, supermarkets do you know of that can have 250,000 visitors in one day, and only make $300? What if all those places gave unlimited samples of whatever they were trying to sell? 30 sample Mars Bars sir? No charge - and if you're still hungry after that, we'll sell you another for $30.

With very few exceptions, all TGP and link list owners are as dumb as fuck. I'm sure I'll be called on this one, there are very few intelligent owners out there - I'd count JJJ, Hun and a few others to be pretty damn smart... but the rest of them are dumb as fuck stupid "head up ass" bastards. If they had any balls then they'd be running pay sites.

All TGP traffic is shit sucking piece of shit traffic... well, why do I submit? Because it's extra income - for 4 hours per week, it's an extra $600 weekly in your pocket. But then there is bandwidth, content... and you have to watch your ass, you can get upsidedown so fast that your head will spin.

Thank God for free hosts.

That kind of went off on a curve, but you've got the idea. I'm getting into circle jerks... I've had enough of giving the surfers a free lunch. Fuck it, fuck them. I'll circle jerk the fuck out of them until they fucking buy or at least click on something... fuck 'em. If they aren't going to flash that credit card, run that dialer, click on my blind thumbs... then they can fuck off to someone else via the script. For me, the free lunch is over. I'll let my pending submissions go through, but that's it. The surfers aren't getting any more free shit from me. I'm tired of having 10 guys pay for the other 240,990 surfers to see free pics. It isn't fair and isn't right... the rest can pay too or they can fuck off... I'm happy building an avs/cj empire and sitting on a $5 million wad of money year after year... I'm never going to make that with tgp!

The sooner I start, the sooner I make it. Fuck the old plans - this is the new million dollar scheme.

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justined

what you sleep on last night, a cactus

cheque

try www.pimpserver.com

unlimited bandwith and storage and ftp

MrCockTale

Submit to my TGP and earn about $960 a day
RedShoe!

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Killerelf

Excuse me lightning but you have been on and off his black list. Which is it now though on or off? Are you still sending a percentage of traffic to 404 pages? Just honest questions wnating honest answers.

Warphead

So you make $150 bucks an hour posting but you still say there's money to be made but not alot from this worthless traffic? How much do you have to make before you consider it good traffic? 40mil a minute?

Kat - Fast

ummm...i have submitted pages to the hun twice a week for a month from my lightningfree site - and each one has been given a confirmation by the hun - the only times the hun has knocked back my stuff is from a javascript bookmark i run - and stiffycash referral code.
OK - the hun has never sent me any traffic, so i don't know what is happening there....
but lightning isn't banned

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ldinternet

Don't get me wrong WarpHead... if I could have just ONE pop-up on my gallery pages, I'd be there submitting bannerless textless galleris at the front of the queue, crack of dawn 6am every morning.

What this whole thing comes down to, is that tgp owners want all the money for themselves. They want people to GIVE them content, but they don't want any ads. They want the ad exposure all for themselves - that is why people like AL4A don't post free hosts. They want bookmarkers for more ad exposure. That in itself is quite clever of them - they get free content, and the Lion's share of ad exposure. But otherwise, the majority of tgp owners are a lot stupider than they think they are.

As a great man once said, "the smartest people in this biz are those who get all of the money, and have none of the content". It seems a trend that TGP owners think they have all the traffic because they're smart. Not true. Let's say that they never had their sites, and started up as a newbie tomorrow. Oh yeah... I can imagine them doing 600k within a week with an ultra clean site. No chance.

I remember that someone once posted on the PC Board after they had mailed one of the tgp owners - I'm not going to say the name - but it was either a guy from Thumbzilla, or someone from Hardcore Junky. They were asking why their gallery wasn't listed, and how they could improve it. Basically, the response was "fuck off I don't want to know". That is the kind of thing that makes tgp owners look very very stupid. The guy behind the mail could have been anyone, a sponsor, or one of their main or biggest link trades. However the tgp owner didn't regard them as important. That's a typical tgp owner's self opinion that they are, in fact, "God-like". The only reason that they are in the position that they are in, is simply because they are that little bit older and have been around longer. With the same attitudes, they wouldn't survive 3 months in the biz if they were to start as a newbie today. Their "we were here first so fuck off" attitude is laughable.

There are, however, a handful of tgp and link list owners that I do admire, and that are smart people. Hun... JJJ... TinyTeenGalleries.com... Easy Pic... Bizzaro and a few others.

But the rest can go fuck themselves.

Techie Media

Killerelf, Lightning Free was only banned on Hun several months ago and this was because of certain sponsors we were using, (Like ARS)
I cant control every rule that every tgp makes up on a daily basis..
You cant please everyone all the time...

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Gemini

Yep Lightningfree got rejected from the hun awhile back but then he said they had it worked out together and have been accepted ever since

Odd the gals he HAS posted have been pure ARS sites usually. lol But even the overflow page is good for decent hits and sales. Who cares if you get 10k uniques and only 2 sales?? Sheesh! 60-70 bucks for 20-45 min worth of work is decent money.

Unless you belong to the generation that thinks they should be 12 y.o. and get 30 bucks for a 10 min yard cutting......

ESPECIALLY if *you* are using provider content! Now if you are buying your content then you should get an increase in sales from just the pure 'haven't' been seen too much attitude. Things sure have changed from a few years ago. Gal makers all seem to think they should make a grand a day for 2 gals being submitted. OUR generations take on this? Balderdash. 95% of gal makers can't do much more online OR on their computers except make galleries with a few bells and whistles. 'Nuff said and flame all ya want. You won't be around in 2 yrs if that is your attitude.

Lightning where ARE those new hosts darlin'??

Yoda

There are many reasons why a TGP may not want to post a free host.

Payhost galleries are a LOT less likely to change their galleries after it's been posted. I'm not saying that they NEVER change their galleries, they're just a lot less likely to.

Payhost galleries look prettier. Most good freehost headers and footers make the gallery butt ugly.

I personally own a movie TGP and I like payhost galleries more. It makes rejecting/accepting galleries a lot easier because I know I can trust certain payhost domains and not have to worry about them having slow movies or changing their page.

ldinternet

Speaking of a grand a day, there was a link to an article at Colin's "Building an Empire" about a guy called Ken who does $20k/mo doing tgp. When I checked a few months back the link was 404... but I'm going to take a look again later and see if it's still there...

Warphead

I'm not sure what you're talking about Id, I was just pointing out that $150 an hour is pretty good in my book.

Sure some TGP owners are pricks, so are some paysite owners, link site owners...

I just don't see how you liking them makes their traffic any better. I run a small TGP and I get a shitload of submissions, the other day a guy copied one of my sponsers and put it on the gallery saying "I don't want a better listing, just want to show my appreciation." I told him I appreciated his appreciation, but thought him providing me with a good gallery was thanks enough.

Some TGP's do "push the envelope" putting the posters in a subservient position. I've seen them charging $, demanding you put their sponsers or their email programs on the gallery... I'll agree with you when you say they can go fuck themselves.

But the traditional TGP idea: you provide the content, you provide the traffic - is a damn good idea and it works.

AnthonyR

LQQKING for a freehost that the Hun lists?
Please guys, come by and check out http://space4porn.com - It's new and could use some help beta testing everything.


thanks
Friendly regards,
Anthony

RedShoe

Hey Lightning,
Don't get me wrong, I like your service, I use you and TGPfreehost (because of his ftp).

But the other day I submitted to him, and during the authentication it said, declined because of a JS. I don't use any JS, so I checked the source and found it in the header.
Then I sent an email saying that I post here at GFY, and was wondering why hd didn't accept JavaScripts. He responded within an hour or so, saying that he has been burned by free host JS before, and that Lightning would "most likely be banned soon..."

This was only a few days ago.

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Gemini

Redshoe, you have to watch the counters on some tgp's that use bots. We had a paysite gallery declined and it had two banners and two counters. One of the counters wasn't listed in the tgp's dbase and it caught in the scan. lol

ldinternet

Warphead,

The only reason that I like these guys is because they are fair, use an amount of common sense, let me get MY sales pitch accross - and if I'm ever not listed, they are willing to talk it over with me like a human being.

I realised earlier today - and I don't know why it has taken me this long - that $600 is small pennies compared to what I can be making. I should be able to make this in a day with cricle jerk - I can sell them on the dialers, blind clicks, exit consoles - and I'm not going to send them to console hell.

In the time it takes me to submit a tgp gallery, I can build two AVS sites. The surfers aren't getting anything for free with an AVS site, nothing. If they want to see, they've got to buy. The best type of traffic I can think of is some guy who has been with an AVS for 3 years and bought 4,5 maybe 6 paysite memberships in those past years. I'm admittant, I'd rather have 1000 of those visitors than even 1000 search engine or type-in visitors.

I'm not doing tgp any more, but for those who are - I wish them good luck. I can build 2 avs sites in the time it takes me to make and submit 1 gallery. Those 2 avs sites per day are worth more than the galleries, at least for me. I can make sales on the outside, on the inside, I can have consoles, full page ads, even blind links, and I can get the best quality traffic from avs link lists - also I can get traffic to a clean version from link lists. At the end of a year, I'd rather have 730 avs sites than 365 tgp galleries. Hell, with the money from avs - I could probably rent feeds, buy a couple thousand videos, and combine the picture content from those 730 avs sites into a small paysite. I'd be promoting myself - and have enough sites to do so.

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LeoTech

ID i`ve gained some insight into the money to made from the TGP from following this post. For 600 bucks a week at only for hours expense i`ll damn sure do the work in spite of the cons.

Better money is AVS so fuck the frustration of the TGP. When i learn how to build the AVS and move on to better money you can bet your ass i will. Now here have a cigar!!!

ldinternet

You're forgetting that $600 is not a steady income, if that's your average some weeks will be more some less.

I personally never used partnership programs on tgp - although I tried Cash Tour and it worked quite well. The big money as far as tgp is concerned is per signup.

Techie Media

OK Redshoe, no hard feelings at all. But to set the record straight, I dont use any java consoles in any headers or footers at all, never have and never will. If hun has any problems with me he will call or write me directly. We as professionals do not like to conduct our business in a public forum. Hun and Most of the respectable site owners and sponsors keep this sort of stuff off the public boards. Anyway, Lightning Free is accepted on Hun, I even submitted 1 of my wifes own personal galleries to him like 10 mins ago..

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Shooter

Yes. On another note, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

OldFart

I am friends with Hun and we work closely with each other ..... Dam don't hurt your self dropping names like that Jk

Crutch

Interesting thread. I do pretty much everything in biz 'cept for AVS sites.

Idinternet, wish you the best of luck with your new sites. By the way, send me an ICQ when you get a chance 97282074.

aprilkorova

Wow,

Some of you were awfully hard on Redshoe. he's a good guy that is just getting started on this end of the biz. Cuz we know him...couldn't we have been a bit more cordial?

Lightning,

I didn't take what he said about Lightning Free as an insult..I know he didn't mean it that way. From what little he said, I can understand you wanting to set the record straight... but to get pissed? He's a good guy and I know he didn't mean any harm

Shooter,

I know you were just joking around but, Redshoe is no dumbass. He was just trying to run figures through his head...nothing wrong with goals

OK, my defense of Redshoe session is now over. For any of you interested I charge by the hour and that includes all boards

RedShoe

Hey Lightning,
I know that you and the Hun know each other, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stir the pot. I was just curious, as to which free host had the best chance of making it in. I didn't realize so many gallery builders had such strong feelings on this subject.

I have a few galleries on your servers, and I've always been happy with their performance. So no complaints from me.

On a more personal note, my new pimp has been pushing for me to go to Vegas in June, maybe I'll see some you guys there.

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Techie Media

OK, OK, OK, LOL Redshoe the war is over. In my last post I tried to make peace, so I'll do it again. I have no hard feelings
I also thank you for your last post and your kind words towards us. Now If you can make it to Vegas in June, I'll buy you a few drinks..
Also I must add 1 more time, Hun is 1 of the original adult sites on the net. I have known him for a long time. We have had many discussions about many sponsors, and have always worked things out. He is a fair guy, and knows what he wants and what he doesnt want on his site, and thats his right... (as well as many other large sites). As a free host it is a never ending job to try to please everyone from the gallery maker, to the tgp's and link lists, and everyone else in the loop. We try to do our best, but it is impossible to please everyone..

OK enough said on this topic.. Hope we are still friends, and can work together.

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aprilkorova

I knew you were a peach Lightning...no use in denying it for the boys .

This girl knows where she's going for free hosting luv

April

Techie Media

April, you are very kind, I hope you can make it to Vegas, I'll tell you what.. If you can we will treat you to a very nice dinner and drinks with the Lightning Free gang, and no don't get scared, Mrs Lightning will be there to keep the guys in line


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RedShoe

Wait, she gets a dinner, and all I get is a few drinks? lol... Ok, Lightning we can drink together.

Actually, my new pimp has been pushing for me to go to Vegas.
I've been looking into it, and seriously considering going. I'll probably end up going.

Any advice on which events/seminars I should go to?

And April, thanks for the defense. Your check is in the mail.

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magnatique

Id, I so do not agree with you on the al4a thing.... because you don't make a sale there doesn't mean it's the wrong way to go... if you need more than 3 links, it's a dirty gallery....

dirty galleries doN't mix up with clean sites usually... I consider al4a to be VERY clean... I make CLEAN galleries, and I make my best sales at al4a and sublime for those reasons simple as this... on the other hand, hun is not much of a sugard dady for me... but I still do get sales sometimes...

I think to do good on hun, you need to have HARD shit... shit that shocks....


as far as that article you saw, yes, it's from Ken as in ken and alex, or as in ken the god, or as in ken the tgp guru , or etc..

he took the guide down a couple months back

and yes, he really is that great from what I heard

Sexplay

Now I really enjoyed the fuck out of that!

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Lightning,

I am so there! I would love to meet you and Mrs Lightning (truth be known..her being there makes it a place that I would be more comfy to be at ) If I can make it, you and Boneprone are my first stops. Hell, the first people I wade through the hundreds of young, nubile, perky, titty women, to get to will be you two !

P.S. No offense to the AP crew...if I make it, I'll find out where your wild ass suite is and try to arrange a meeting that we can both be comfortable with (as opposed to strippers in baths with bananas LOL I'm not the kind of tipper they are looking for LOL)..if you're interested of course...I'll just come in and proclaim loudly "YOU CAN ALL GO FUCK YOURSELVES!"...and then run swiftly from the renegade bananas.

In case you are wondering, that will be me (grabbing a gin 'n tonic on the way out the door (of course) ) running like mad screaming, " I'm not the content you fuckers, I'm the webmaster, Dammit!"


Seriously, Before I go (if I get to go to Vegas) I would really like to set it up to meet some/any of the handles/people I've been communicating with over the last few months.
That would be awesome. And I know that Boneprone has the dibs on buying drinks but I would throw myself in the fray just to meet some of you.

DRINKS ON ME! (minus Boneprones of course )

wiZd0m

ID, send a couple of your galleries and and free sites to me. Then you can add me to your list of Hall of Famers ...

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Techie Media

OK April, consider it done. When it gets closer to the show, We will do a post for all the GFY people that are going to arrange a time and place to meet.

But as far as our Dinner goes that stands, You will be our guest for a first class dinner , drinks, and good friends...Then its off to the parties, By way of the casino first...hehehehehe

Oh and I do understand the webmistress, not cont model thing. Mrs Lightning is the same way, she may run several sites of her own, for 6 yrs now, and help run 1 of the Largest Free Hosts in the world, and Be a Nympho (behind closed doors) she is not a piece of public meat.....(however she does go along with all the harmless sex talk and stuff at the shows) Thank God

OK well you see what I do at 3:45 am on a saturday night....Man this is sad...LOL


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DarkJedi

ldinternet is 100% right.

90% of TGPs can Go Fuck Themselves. They want clean, payhosted galleries, with no more than 2 banners/text links 'n stuff, they tell you which sponsors you allowed to use, which recips you can have - so tell me, HOW THE FUCK WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE ANY MONEY ? Yeah, i heard that reply about having 3 text links makes your gallery dirty, but fuck, that gallery could be 3 times more profittable.
And whats the fuck with giving jerkers all free, clean content they can take ??? Thats not right. If jerkers can get it for free at 1000s of TGPs, why would they sign up for anything ?
Oh the other hand, if it was a bit harder to dig up free porn - there would be MUCH MORE subscripsions to pay sites.
Q.What would the jerkers do without free porn ?
A. Sign up for pay sites !

So, I think TGPs need to change the rules. Gallerys should look like this: max 10 pics + 5 banners/text links. You wou't sell much if the stuff you'r selling is everwhere for free.


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ldinternet

Magnatique...

Well, I guess it is each to is own. AL4A just doesn't work for me.

Dark Jedi...

Hmm... nice point. BUT - it's important not to oversaturate the advertising, the surfers will just adapt to it. All I ask from a tgp is that they are fair and let me get my point across. People like Richard's Realm even tell me how I can speak. I'm not allowed to say "teen" or "free". "See the free preview!", "brand new teen site". Out the window - that's frickin' Nazism. Nothing against Richard - but his "rules" suck.

Look at PK. Look at how many fpas and hpas there is at pk.com, before the content. Hmm... she wouldn't even pass her own reviews. Same with Snakes World, Gash Bash (3pop ups, 2 fpas!) It just frustrates me when people are so hypocritical, so I don't submit there.

I was reading the Max Cash board. Some guy came on and said "if you do the things that you have always done, then nothing will change". That really made me think. I've done free free free so far, owned tgps, built galleries, built free sites, and I still haven't moved as far as I would like.

But when I see Tommy speaking in articles, coming from a guy who HAS fulfilled his hopes, it's a big influence. The biggest link site on the planet, 3 pay sites, 2000+ AVS sites and 2500+ free sites, that's the kind of person that I will listen to with consideration. When people say only good about him - it's no surprise, when he says it he says it right. So when he says "AVS sites are the best way to go for people just starting out", that is when I listen.

Gemini

10-16) max 16 to make a nice latout, 2 banners with clickable text descripts under them and an additional text for viagra to keep 'em strong would be nice. Recips?! Pooh! Haven't ever and won't!

He put me thru college on clicks back in the mid 90's with what signup progs were available. Not as much free stuff back then he said so it was easier.

Band together! Make em all accept Rude Bitchs Rules! Where *is* Tam?!?!

magnatique

the number of clicks don't work like women... I mean, the more you have doesn't mean the better it is


I mean, if you can't sell with 3 links, well having 10 won't always mean better sales...


I mean, my best galleries were 2-3 links galleries.... some of my galleries with 17 links did just arround OK, but not more....

it's the overall look, combined with the content and the sales pitch that get the people to buy... not the number of links!

I manage to get arround 5-10% clickthru on the majority of my galleries.... and yet, I only use 2-3 links... no banners....

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