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rhizome · 09-15-2001, 04:18 PM

I must admit I am a little dismayed that some of my fellow webmasters have labelled me anything ranging from tree hugger to pro-terrorist and I do not appreciate showing up on baddog's blacklist. So I would like to set the record straight and please excuse my ego on this one.

1) The attacks on the U.S. on September 11th were an extreme attack by a fascist machine. The ideology behind the attacks is just as reactionary and cruel as any other fascist ideology.

2) What happened on September 11th is hard to put into the words. It was the event of the impossible and hence, unphraseable. To see families of the victims in shock and horror and not being able to find the words to express their grief is truly horrific. There is no comfort and their are no words that can somehow help the families understand this horrific tragedy.

3) Yes, I am located in Canada but I am not patriotic. I do not believe in superpowers or proclaiming that my nation is the greatest. So for obvious reasons, I am not about to proclaim that the U.S. is the greatest nation and defender of the free world

4) I believe freedom rests in the hands of grassroots democratic movements. Their will always be battles between the state and the demos because the state (the ego, the I) needs to oppress to maintain control. Expression is freedom and it is only the revolutionaries that can take expression to its limits.

5) Terrorism has become the organ of the state - not just the Middle Eastern states but all states. The people, the bearers of democracy need to fight this and there are several groups in Afghanistan that do this fighting on a daily basis. http://www.rawa.org is just one of them.

6) To stop terrorism and achieve a real semblance of peace, freedom and true democracy, the state needs to start recognizing the people and ultimately releasing it's ego to the id. Most likely this will not happen but I'm an idealist.

7) My solution would be for all nations (not only the U.S.) to support these revolutionaries and support their fight against state oppression and terrorism. This would essentially be a fight against all fascisms. Particular to the situation at end, I would love to see the U.S. go into Afghanistan and aid the rebels in their fight against the Taliban and bin-Laden. That is the only way to rid terrorism and yet also preserve freedom and democracy.

These are just my thoughts. I'm not anti-American, I am anti-fascist which necessarily means I am anti-terrorist. I am pro-revolutionary and I believe in democracy, freedom and the demos. As such I am greatly saddened as such a large chunk of the demos has suffered a terrible fate. These people could have been with us in our fight agains fascism but sadly they are gone. The terrorists are not comrades; the people are out true comrades.

tenletters · 09-15-2001, 04:32 PM

Fuck off loser...

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2001, 04:32 PM

Tree hugger.

Gary · 09-15-2001, 04:46 PM

ARAB!

hartman · 09-15-2001, 05:04 PM

AMERICAN!

<disclamer>
If you dont get this one, you are probably too stupid to be allowed near a computer ..
</disclamer>

kane · 09-15-2001, 05:14 PM

so then let me ask you this. You say you are pro-revolution so lets say a revolution that you support happens and is sucessful and these revolutionaries take power and you belive in what they say and stand for and so by default you support them. . . does that not then make you a patriot to their cause?

For a country to be sucessful you need to not only have some form of democracy ( 100% true democracy, like true capitolism and true communism won't work) but you also need some defense and a willingness to use it to use your power to defend and better yourself. If bush announced tomorrow that instead of striking back against the terrorist we were instead choosing to send supplies, weapons and training to the afghan rebels and hoping they got the terrorist resotored some type of democracy people would be calling for his impeachment.

you say that we should fight facism. . .what the hell do you think we've done TWICE in europe?

Also, on one other front you say that you are not patriotic and that you do not say your country is the best, then why do you choose to live there? There must be something about it that you like as opposed to other countries.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2001, 05:21 PM

Because he's one of those people that continuously need some sort of cause to protest against. Doesn't matter what it is, because next week it'll be something else. This week it's that revolutionary babble, next week it'll be some owl in Oregon. And the week after that, Gerbils Rights. Some people can never be satisfied.

If his hypothetical revolutionaries took power next week, he'd be protesting them the week after.

Idealist? My friend, you are an EXTREME idealist. To the point that is beyond non-productive. It's counter-productive.

SixNine · 09-15-2001, 05:24 PM

ANARCHIST

tenletters · 09-15-2001, 10:52 PM

Kitten Felcher!

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 12:32 AM

I really hope that you are just joking with some of these comments towards rhizome. Because if you arent, then you are a real insult to the human race. Thought, ideas, logic, other peoples point of view, are obviously foreign to many people on this board.

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 12:43 AM

Rivux, your very statement makes you the very thing that you called us.
"insult to human race"

You have every right to state your point of view and we have the right to call you what we think of you, based on your words/actions.

If we wish to summarize our reply with a two word statement "Fuck face" so be it... those two words say enough.

So, the next time you make a judgement about someone who has said something that you don't agree with... remember what you think of people like yourself.

Amputate Your Head · 09-16-2001, 12:46 AM

Gerbil.

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenletters:
Rivux, your very statement makes you the very thing that you called us.
"insult to human race"

You have every right to state your point of view and we have the right to call you what we think of you, based on your words/actions.

If we wish to summarize our reply with a two word statement "Fuck face" so be it... those two words say enough.

So, the next time you make a judgement about someone who has said something that you don't agree with... remember what you think of people like yourself.

Great response, next time what are you going to say "I know you are but what I am". How old are you?

Balljoints · 09-16-2001, 12:54 AM

I am being an ass and not thinking right!

I apologise!

Balljoints

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Balljoints · 09-16-2001, 01:02 AM

I am being an ass and not thinking right!

I apologise!

Balljoints

[This message has been edited by Balljoints (edited 09-16-2001).]

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 01:16 AM

always thought i was current with the slang used in lexicons

but, "my bad"

what the fuck is that?

Tucks · 09-16-2001, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Balljoints:
Guess this is my bad, rivux is from Qubec and rhizome is supposed to be from Toronto. So many from Quebec and MOST from the rest of Canada are feeling bad like the people from the US are!

rivux and rizome, you are as bad as the terrorists that are part of bin ladden's group! You should be fucking arrested and spend a week in custody so you can get your ass reamed by a hardcore criminal! My bad, they probably would just kill you, so at least total isolation would probably give you a thought of how much freedom is cherished by us in the upper area of North America!!!

Balljoints

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What a fucking stunning display of... I don't know what the it is. Ignorance? Mob mentality? I don't know.

Don't speak of freedom in the same sentence that you condemn those who use it. It's both ironic and insulting.

wizardmerlin · 09-16-2001, 01:20 AM

Ball Gravy eater

Amputate Your Head · 09-16-2001, 01:21 AM

Sphincter crust.

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 01:32 AM

hmmm

so

my bad = Sphincter crust

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rivux:

Great response, next time what are you going to say "I know you are but what I am". How old are you?

Ummm no. You just want to think that I am beneath you and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Oh and I thought I'd let you know that your asslips have made strange marks around your neck.

Balljoints · 09-16-2001, 01:45 AM

I am being an ass and not thinking right!

I apologise!

Won't post anything for a while. I am just not thinking

Balljoints

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Rivux · 09-16-2001, 01:48 AM

Quebec, since when was Ontario in Quebec? Shit I must have slept thru that one.

I am from Guelph, just southwest of Toronto in case you dont have a map handy. And if Hungryman would ever get his ass down here I could show him the wonderful ballet we have

I am all for free speech, but when mass stupidity is drowning out logic I have issues.

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tucks:
What a fucking stunning display of... I don't know what the it is. Ignorance? Mob mentality? I don't know.

Don't speak of freedom in the same sentence that you condemn those who use it. It's both ironic and insulting.

Opinions are like assholes... and you, sir, have a big, gerbil ridden, opinion!

But don't have a cow, I'm just using some the freedoms you speak of.

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenletters:
Ummm no. You just want to think that I am beneath you and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Oh and I thought I'd let you know that your asslips have made strange marks around your neck.

I dont think you are beneath me, I never said that. I just think that comments such as "fuck off loser" to a post that someone makes is pretty rude and ignorant.

Balljoints · 09-16-2001, 01:55 AM

I will just shut up now!!!!!!!!

Guelph.. I have been there. Still not thinking right I guess.. I have even been to Toronto, just not thinking

I apologize about my lack of thought right now, and for several weeks. I have been an Ass to say the least. Especially the last week!!!

Balljoints

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rivux:
I dont think you are beneath me, I never said that. I just think that comments such as "fuck off loser" to a post that someone makes is pretty rude and ignorant.

I suppose I may have misunderstood the "How old are you"? comment.

Anyway, you could have just said I was rude if that is what you meant. I would agree to rude. To the ignorant comment I just have to repeat what a wise man once said...
"It takes one to know one".

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenletters:
I suppose I may have misunderstood the "How old are you"? comment.

Anyway, you could have just said I was rude if that is what you meant. I would agree to rude. To the ignorant comment I just have to repeat what a wise man once said...
"It takes one to know one".

The comment regarding age was actually a question, but I should have phrased it differently.

And as for the "It takes one to know one"....lol

very nice.

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 02:01 AM

Okay then... I'm 31

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 02:04 AM

actually i'm well versed in the slang of the past 30 years and still have never heard, "my bad"

and even if i did, i would not have adopted it into my vocabulary

it just doesn't have very good tempo when used in a sentence

but thanks for the explanation

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 02:07 AM

maybe when i go home to visit my family i will take Rivux and Hungryman to Storybook Gardens in London

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky:
maybe when i go home to visit my family i will take Rivux and Hungryman to Storybook Gardens in London

Sweet ass, I will be ready with bells on. Storybook gardens is a lot of fun. I want to do the boat ride where they serve dinner.

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 02:15 AM

It's hard to believe you've never heard that term used. There was a time, not too long ago, when I would hear that more often than "hello".

"bling bling" is now the hot saying. I think it refers to some type of jewelry... diamonds or plantinum perhaps.

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 02:16 AM

do you remember that clock with the mice in it?

or that whale where you walk down into it's mouth just to view a tiny little aquarium filled with guppies?

or how about the poo flinging monkeys?
hehehe

okay, it's a deal

but only if i get a tour of the Ontario Agricultural College in Guelph

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 02:27 AM

Rocky sounds like a plan, but if you want to see the best ag show around then you have got to see the Royal Winter Fair in toronto http://www.royalfair.org/

I have gone the last three years, the last 2 I was working a booth there.

Its a blast.

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 02:31 AM

went to the Royal Winter Fair every year when i lived in Toronto

it is an amazing show

we used to get our students from OCA to enter the butter sculpting competition

but when i lived in Calgary i did find a comparable event in the Calgary Stampede

Rivux · 09-16-2001, 02:34 AM

The butter sculpting competiton is awesome, I couldnt believe some of the things that those people made.

I really loved watching the dog skill competition and the horse show. The thing is its so huge it takes a couple days to really see everything!

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 02:41 AM

funny you mention the dogs

saw my first sheep dog show at the Calgary Stampede and stood transfixed for the entire competition

something i didn't know was the gear they strap on to a horses balls to make them buck

i didn't like that too much and neither did the horses

Sjayne · 09-16-2001, 05:24 AM

Ontario is one of the best places I have ever been. My husband and I fell in love with London, Ontario and very nearly moved there. We just didn't have the money in the bank that they require you to have.

We kind of liked the whole thing of moving from London,UK to London, Canada.

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 09-16-2001, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rivux:
Quebec, since when was Ontario in Quebec? Shit I must have slept thru that one.

I am from Guelph, just southwest of Toronto in case you dont have a map handy. And if Hungryman would ever get his ass down here I could show him the wonderful ballet we have

I am all for free speech, but when mass stupidity is drowning out logic I have issues.

Yeah Yeah Yeah ... I hear ya ...
I will squeeze you in on the Hungryman World Tour ....LOL

Seriously Bro ... it is going to have to be soon though ... I need my Win2K !!!

Hey guys ... I have spoke to Rivux at great lengths, and he seems like an ok guy. Y'all can lighten up on him a bit ...

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LisaMarie · 09-16-2001, 08:59 AM

hey Rocky

doesn't look like anyone told ya...

my bad = my mistake/my fuckup

Amputate Your Head · 09-16-2001, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenletters:
Okay then... I'm 31

3 + 1 = The number of planes that were hijacked... spooky...

Rocky · 09-16-2001, 11:38 AM

thanks LisaMarie

actually balljoints did answer the question but edited the post

Sjayne, that is so weird (London being my home town and all)

Hungryman, i guess maybe we can all meet after i'm finished with Rocky's Rollicking Provincial Tour

tenletters · 09-16-2001, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
3 + 1 = The number of planes that were hijacked... spooky...

So.. the number of posts you had when you posted that was 1159 which includes 9/11 .

I'm going to try again today, to find a flag.

09-15-2001, 04:18 PM	#1
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	To set the record straight I must admit I am a little dismayed that some of my fellow webmasters have labelled me anything ranging from tree hugger to pro-terrorist and I do not appreciate showing up on baddog's blacklist. So I would like to set the record straight and please excuse my ego on this one. 1) The attacks on the U.S. on September 11th were an extreme attack by a fascist machine. The ideology behind the attacks is just as reactionary and cruel as any other fascist ideology. 2) What happened on September 11th is hard to put into the words. It was the event of the impossible and hence, unphraseable. To see families of the victims in shock and horror and not being able to find the words to express their grief is truly horrific. There is no comfort and their are no words that can somehow help the families understand this horrific tragedy. 3) Yes, I am located in Canada but I am not patriotic. I do not believe in superpowers or proclaiming that my nation is the greatest. So for obvious reasons, I am not about to proclaim that the U.S. is the greatest nation and defender of the free world 4) I believe freedom rests in the hands of grassroots democratic movements. Their will always be battles between the state and the demos because the state (the ego, the I) needs to oppress to maintain control. Expression is freedom and it is only the revolutionaries that can take expression to its limits. 5) Terrorism has become the organ of the state - not just the Middle Eastern states but all states. The people, the bearers of democracy need to fight this and there are several groups in Afghanistan that do this fighting on a daily basis. http://www.rawa.org is just one of them. 6) To stop terrorism and achieve a real semblance of peace, freedom and true democracy, the state needs to start recognizing the people and ultimately releasing it's ego to the id. Most likely this will not happen but I'm an idealist. 7) My solution would be for all nations (not only the U.S.) to support these revolutionaries and support their fight against state oppression and terrorism. This would essentially be a fight against all fascisms. Particular to the situation at end, I would love to see the U.S. go into Afghanistan and aid the rebels in their fight against the Taliban and bin-Laden. That is the only way to rid terrorism and yet also preserve freedom and democracy. These are just my thoughts. I'm not anti-American, I am anti-fascist which necessarily means I am anti-terrorist. I am pro-revolutionary and I believe in democracy, freedom and the demos. As such I am greatly saddened as such a large chunk of the demos has suffered a terrible fate. These people could have been with us in our fight agains fascism but sadly they are gone. The terrorists are not comrades; the people are out true comrades.

09-15-2001, 04:32 PM	#2
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	Fuck off loser...

09-15-2001, 04:32 PM	#3
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Tree hugger.

09-15-2001, 04:46 PM	#4
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	ARAB!

09-15-2001, 05:04 PM	#5
hartman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Engelholm,Skane,Sweden Posts: 82	AMERICAN! <disclamer> If you dont get this one, you are probably too stupid to be allowed near a computer .. </disclamer>

09-15-2001, 05:14 PM	#6
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	so then let me ask you this. You say you are pro-revolution so lets say a revolution that you support happens and is sucessful and these revolutionaries take power and you belive in what they say and stand for and so by default you support them. . . does that not then make you a patriot to their cause? For a country to be sucessful you need to not only have some form of democracy ( 100% true democracy, like true capitolism and true communism won't work) but you also need some defense and a willingness to use it to use your power to defend and better yourself. If bush announced tomorrow that instead of striking back against the terrorist we were instead choosing to send supplies, weapons and training to the afghan rebels and hoping they got the terrorist resotored some type of democracy people would be calling for his impeachment. you say that we should fight facism. . .what the hell do you think we've done TWICE in europe? Also, on one other front you say that you are not patriotic and that you do not say your country is the best, then why do you choose to live there? There must be something about it that you like as opposed to other countries.

09-15-2001, 05:21 PM	#7
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Because he's one of those people that continuously need some sort of cause to protest against. Doesn't matter what it is, because next week it'll be something else. This week it's that revolutionary babble, next week it'll be some owl in Oregon. And the week after that, Gerbils Rights. Some people can never be satisfied. If his hypothetical revolutionaries took power next week, he'd be protesting them the week after. Idealist? My friend, you are an EXTREME idealist. To the point that is beyond non-productive. It's counter-productive.

09-15-2001, 05:24 PM	#8
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	ANARCHIST

09-15-2001, 10:52 PM	#9
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	Kitten Felcher!

09-16-2001, 12:32 AM	#10
Rivux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	I really hope that you are just joking with some of these comments towards rhizome. Because if you arent, then you are a real insult to the human race. Thought, ideas, logic, other peoples point of view, are obviously foreign to many people on this board.

09-16-2001, 12:43 AM	#11
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	Rivux, your very statement makes you the very thing that you called us. "insult to human race" You have every right to state your point of view and we have the right to call you what we think of you, based on your words/actions. If we wish to summarize our reply with a two word statement "Fuck face" so be it... those two words say enough. So, the next time you make a judgement about someone who has said something that you don't agree with... remember what you think of people like yourself.

09-16-2001, 12:46 AM	#12
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Gerbil.

09-16-2001, 12:54 AM	#14
Balljoints Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 357	I am being an ass and not thinking right! I apologise! Balljoints [This message has been edited by Balljoints (edited 09-16-2001).]

09-16-2001, 01:02 AM	#15
Balljoints Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 357	I am being an ass and not thinking right! I apologise! Balljoints [This message has been edited by Balljoints (edited 09-16-2001).]

09-16-2001, 01:16 AM	#16
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	always thought i was current with the slang used in lexicons but, "my bad" what the fuck is that?

09-16-2001, 01:20 AM	#18
wizardmerlin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Porncity Sewers Posts: 418	Ball Gravy eater

09-16-2001, 01:21 AM	#19
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Sphincter crust.

09-16-2001, 01:32 AM	#20
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	hmmm so my bad = Sphincter crust

09-16-2001, 01:45 AM	#22
Balljoints Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 357	I am being an ass and not thinking right! I apologise! Won't post anything for a while. I am just not thinking Balljoints [This message has been edited by Balljoints (edited 09-16-2001).]

09-16-2001, 01:48 AM	#23
Rivux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	Quebec, since when was Ontario in Quebec? Shit I must have slept thru that one. I am from Guelph, just southwest of Toronto in case you dont have a map handy. And if Hungryman would ever get his ass down here I could show him the wonderful ballet we have I am all for free speech, but when mass stupidity is drowning out logic I have issues.

09-16-2001, 01:55 AM	#26
Balljoints Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 357	I will just shut up now!!!!!!!! Guelph.. I have been there. Still not thinking right I guess.. I have even been to Toronto, just not thinking I apologize about my lack of thought right now, and for several weeks. I have been an Ass to say the least. Especially the last week!!! Balljoints

09-16-2001, 02:01 AM	#29
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	Okay then... I'm 31

09-16-2001, 02:04 AM	#30
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	actually i'm well versed in the slang of the past 30 years and still have never heard, "my bad" and even if i did, i would not have adopted it into my vocabulary it just doesn't have very good tempo when used in a sentence but thanks for the explanation

09-16-2001, 02:07 AM	#31
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	maybe when i go home to visit my family i will take Rivux and Hungryman to Storybook Gardens in London

09-16-2001, 02:15 AM	#33
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	It's hard to believe you've never heard that term used. There was a time, not too long ago, when I would hear that more often than "hello". "bling bling" is now the hot saying. I think it refers to some type of jewelry... diamonds or plantinum perhaps.

09-16-2001, 02:16 AM	#34
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	do you remember that clock with the mice in it? or that whale where you walk down into it's mouth just to view a tiny little aquarium filled with guppies? or how about the poo flinging monkeys? hehehe okay, it's a deal but only if i get a tour of the Ontario Agricultural College in Guelph

09-16-2001, 02:27 AM	#35
Rivux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	Rocky sounds like a plan, but if you want to see the best ag show around then you have got to see the Royal Winter Fair in toronto http://www.royalfair.org/ I have gone the last three years, the last 2 I was working a booth there. Its a blast.

09-16-2001, 02:31 AM	#36
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	went to the Royal Winter Fair every year when i lived in Toronto it is an amazing show we used to get our students from OCA to enter the butter sculpting competition but when i lived in Calgary i did find a comparable event in the Calgary Stampede

09-16-2001, 02:34 AM	#37
Rivux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	The butter sculpting competiton is awesome, I couldnt believe some of the things that those people made. I really loved watching the dog skill competition and the horse show. The thing is its so huge it takes a couple days to really see everything!

09-16-2001, 02:41 AM	#38
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	funny you mention the dogs saw my first sheep dog show at the Calgary Stampede and stood transfixed for the entire competition something i didn't know was the gear they strap on to a horses balls to make them buck i didn't like that too much and neither did the horses

09-16-2001, 05:24 AM	#39
Sjayne Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,182	Ontario is one of the best places I have ever been. My husband and I fell in love with London, Ontario and very nearly moved there. We just didn't have the money in the bank that they require you to have. We kind of liked the whole thing of moving from London,UK to London, Canada.