Update to the Ray Guhn Case and More arrests - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

fluffygrrl · 07-10-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evildick

Any armchair lawyers know what the possibility of something like this happening is?

50-50, depending how quick they move. I don't see the policy/it's implementers remain in pay after 2008.

GITZINGER · 07-10-2007, 04:24 PM

"Participants received $300 for private parties that often served as an audition for film roles."

That's where they fucked up, that's the prostitution charge right there. I don't feel bad for them at all.

GreyWolf · 07-10-2007, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Affiliates perhaps, but that isn't clear. If you expand this without boundries, you could go after the processor, the credit card companies, and the individual consumers who purchased the material IF it is deemed obscene.

If there are alleged offenses, there is no reason why a prosecutor should not go after all parties who were involved - including processors and affiliates.

BUT... when it reaches that level, it's getting absurd. The core issue is with Ray's content, apparently the method of operation (alleged prostitution) and now "money laundering".

On the "money laundering" aspect, - no idea what this is based on, but if it is based on the normal transacting of biz thru processors etc - it is possible that processors may be of interest. Tho.. sounds like a deviant sideline....

mikesouth · 07-10-2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

...Here in Atlanta Mike South is on the cover of the free ALT newspaper as the king of porn, he is fine.
...

I just wanna know where the hell my castle is if I'm King....

RawAlex · 07-10-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

If there are alleged offenses, there is no reason why a prosecutor should not go after all parties who were involved - including processors and affiliates.

BUT... when it reaches that level, it's getting absurd. The core issue is with Ray's content, apparently the method of operation (alleged prostitution) and now "money laundering".

On the "money laundering" aspect, - no idea what this is based on, but if it is based on the normal transacting of biz thru processors etc - it is possible that processors may be of interest. Tho.. sounds like a deviant sideline....

Typically, prosecutors won't move on outside parties in this sort of thing because the charges would be based solely on the obscenity charge. As that isn't a slam dunk sort of a case and is potentially a Supreme Court candidate in the long run they won't want to tie themselves up in more legal actions that they can't truly handle. If (big IF) they can prove the obscenity, then the affiliates and the processors are still there to talk to in the long run.

Without details on the "money laundering" it is hard to say. Laundering is the basic process of taking ill got gains and turning it into apparently legally obtained money. As an example, selling drugs and running a pizza shop, and adding drug sales money into the pizza business bank account, making it look like the pizza business made it would be a laundering. Using ill got gains to purchase goods and reselling them is another way, or moving that money through multiple bank accounts. If the funds of the "illegal" business have mingled with funds of other businesses, then there is the potential for this sort of charge.

IMHO (again, not a lawyer, I just read a whole bunch) this has been done to create a more "slam dunk" case that isn't quite so dependant on the obscenity charges directly, but more of things like running an adult business in areas not zoned for adult or even the prostitution charges. My feeling is that the DA is more interested in running these guys out of business and seizing all their assets rather than making a direct obscenity case (that they could potentially lose).

GreyWolf · 07-10-2007, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Typically, prosecutors won't move on outside parties in this sort of thing because the charges would be based solely on the obscenity charge. As that isn't a slam dunk sort of a case and is potentially a Supreme Court candidate in the long run they won't want to tie themselves up in more legal actions that they can't truly handle. If (big IF) they can prove the obscenity, then the affiliates and the processors are still there to talk to in the long run.

Without details on the "money laundering" it is hard to say. Laundering is the basic process of taking ill got gains and turning it into apparently legally obtained money. As an example, selling drugs and running a pizza shop, and adding drug sales money into the pizza business bank account, making it look like the pizza business made it would be a laundering. Using ill got gains to purchase goods and reselling them is another way, or moving that money through multiple bank accounts. If the funds of the "illegal" business have mingled with funds of other businesses, then there is the potential for this sort of charge.

IMHO (again, not a lawyer, I just read a whole bunch) this has been done to create a more "slam dunk" case that isn't quite so dependant on the obscenity charges directly, but more of things like running an adult business in areas not zoned for adult or even the prostitution charges. My feeling is that the DA is more interested in running these guys out of business and seizing all their assets rather than making a direct obscenity case (that they could potentially lose).

Agree - suspect the prosecutor obviously wants a conviction, but also has eyes on seizing all assets and wiping em off the face of the earth.

This "appears" to being treated the same as a drugs issue - fairly heavy, but, as usual, the human species often have motivations other than those at face value. Whoever the legal strategy decision-makers are in this case - it's probably worth casting an eye in their direction and checking out who the "beneficiaries" would be from a conviction.

moneymotivates · 07-10-2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimatcohf

here is the piece xbiz ran on it http://www.xbiz.com/news/legal/81696

You would think Xbiz would spell his name correctly.

http://oncoreweb.srccol.com/srccol/o...07000823CFMA++ - Santa Rosa County
http://205.152.130.14/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=61317799 - Escambia County

http://www.clerkofcourts.cc/court/PU...07+CA+003192+S
ouch

Jimatcohf · 07-12-2007, 12:47 PM

Just wanted to give a quick thank you to Graphix for donating to the Defense fund. Your help and generousity will be used to fight the good fight.

Thank you

Jim

07-10-2007, 04:24 PM	#52
GITZINGER Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: up your sisters ass Posts: 929	"Participants received $300 for private parties that often served as an audition for film roles." That's where they fucked up, that's the prostitution charge right there. I don't feel bad for them at all. __________________ Your momma was a ho!!!

07-12-2007, 12:47 PM	#58
Jimatcohf Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south east Posts: 277	Just wanted to give a quick thank you to Graphix for donating to the Defense fund. Your help and generousity will be used to fight the good fight. Thank you Jim __________________ [email protected] ICQ: 318490299