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Old 11-29-2007, 05:23 PM   #51
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Like I said before my content we speak for me!!! joes shit is garbage, look at my samples and then his!!! None on this board knows joe like all the talent pool does!! he is a crook!!! Joe your in for a big surprise!!!! How come your not shooting today???? I am and laughing all the way too the bank so keep it up! Got to get back to shooting now see ya!!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:35 PM   #52
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here are some samples for ya!!!

the trailer on your site is brazzers shoot with veronica rayne and her hubby jack. did you actually shoot this scene ?
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:46 PM   #53
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stop hating
No they like to act childish!!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:48 PM   #54
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stop hating

Stop sticking up for trash.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:50 PM   #55
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No they like to act childish!!!

And sticking notices in mailboxes of your competitors neighbors is not childish?

I wonder how the US Postal Inspector would view that.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:02 PM   #56
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And sticking notices in mailboxes of your competitors neighbors is not childish?

I wonder how the US Postal Inspector would view that.
I never did that first off! Second read his post he treatened to do the same thing to me calling vice on me and trying to shut me down! Third someone that does not pay there talent should not be in this business!!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:06 PM   #57
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Donny, I've been around the block a few times. Now, I'm not the most successful guy (in porn) on the board, nor have I been around the longest. But, I'm pretty well respected in this industry and I have to tell you that you are way way off in your handling of this.

You can have the best content in the world at ridiculous prices, and at the end of the day more people will not buy from you just because of this little display than will.

-If you think you will hurt Joe's business...you won't.
-If you think you will get some recognition from the drama...you won't
-If you think you will pressure Joe into paying you...you won't
-If you think you are going to eliminate competition...you won't

So what do you accomplish? At the end of the day, it makes you look bad, and I personally would be hesitant to do business with someone who acts like this. Now, I know I'm not alone, and If I think it, chances are a bunch of people do too. That's potential customers down the drain. Never throw away business, trust me on this.

If you truly were screwed out of money or whatever, you need to be an adult and a businessman and either take it to court or beat Joe in the marketplace with good old fashion competition. This little display does little for your credibility and your image as a businessman even if you are 100% right in what you say.

Take the high road my friend, it always gets you there first.
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I never did that first off! Second read his post he treatened to do the same thing to me calling vice on me and trying to shut me down! Third someone that does not pay there talent should not be in this business!!!

You could post a video of Joe raping you dog and I would not watch it or think it was real if I did.

Setting Joe aside for a moment.....

Brad Mitchell is probably the single nicest guy I have ever met in my entire life. Brad's word is better than Gold to me and many MANY other people.

If Brad says you're a piece of shit then you can take that to the bank...And yes, Brad has pretty much said that you, donnylong, are a piece of shit.

Joe and I have also had our differences in the past.....But I know a number of people who have done and continue to do business with him. I've also referred him several clients over the years and worked with some of the same models he has. I've only seen one girl complain about him. I've heard a lot of rumors models have spread about me that I know are not true. Taking the average model's word....especially porn valley models, is not a smart way to conduct business.

You on the other hand have only demonstrated your complete lack of education, morals (yes, morals even in porn), and downright stupidity.

As far as I am concerned, you belong under the same bus as AlienQ.

Now......If I have not made my opinions about you perfectly clear, please feel free to let me know. I'd be more than happy to expand on them. Survivor starts at 8 so I have almost 3 hours to kill.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:38 PM   #60
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maybe on the board people that dont live in la and know him and deal with all the talent and know how everyone out here hates him!!!! He has ripped off so many people!!! I have never fucked over anyone here!!!
Donny, I've been shooting in LA for 7+ years. I know Joe very well and have never had a problem with him.

some free advice: showing up on the board bad mouthing people is not really a good way to gather clients.

warmest regards, bmb
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:48 PM   #61
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Donny, I've been around the block a few times. Now, I'm not the most successful guy (in porn) on the board, nor have I been around the longest. But, I'm pretty well respected in this industry and I have to tell you that you are way way off in your handling of this.

You can have the best content in the world at ridiculous prices, and at the end of the day more people will not buy from you just because of this little display than will.

-If you think you will hurt Joe's business...you won't.
-If you think you will get some recognition from the drama...you won't
-If you think you will pressure Joe into paying you...you won't
-If you think you are going to eliminate competition...you won't

So what do you accomplish? At the end of the day, it makes you look bad, and I personally would be hesitant to do business with someone who acts like this. Now, I know I'm not alone, and If I think it, chances are a bunch of people do too. That's potential customers down the drain. Never throw away business, trust me on this.

If you truly were screwed out of money or whatever, you need to be an adult and a businessman and either take it to court or beat Joe in the marketplace with good old fashion competition. This little display does little for your credibility and your image as a businessman even if you are 100% right in what you say.

Take the high road my friend, it always gets you there first.
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understand your experience but mine is not the same! I have been in the biz almost 3 years and have worked for about everyone in the industry out here in LA! Companies from vivid to redlight to pink visual ex... The list goes on for miles! I have worked with about every girl in the biz! I am telling you my side of having to deal with the scumbag and what everyone including male talent and other company owners out here in la say that know him!!! Not people that order content on icq!
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:54 PM   #62
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You could post a video of Joe raping you dog and I would not watch it or think it was real if I did.

Setting Joe aside for a moment.....

Brad Mitchell is probably the single nicest guy I have ever met in my entire life. Brad's word is better than Gold to me and many MANY other people.

If Brad says you're a piece of shit then you can take that to the bank...And yes, Brad has pretty much said that you, donnylong, are a piece of shit.

Joe and I have also had our differences in the past.....But I know a number of people who have done and continue to do business with him. I've also referred him several clients over the years and worked with some of the same models he has. I've only seen one girl complain about him. I've heard a lot of rumors models have spread about me that I know are not true. Taking the average model's word....especially porn valley models, is not a smart way to conduct business.

You on the other hand have only demonstrated your complete lack of education, morals (yes, morals even in porn), and downright stupidity.

As far as I am concerned, you belong under the same bus as AlienQ.

Now......If I have not made my opinions about you perfectly clear, please feel free to let me know. I'd be more than happy to expand on them. Survivor starts at 8 so I have almost 3 hours to kill.
I dont know Brad Mitchell or you and you all dont know me!!! So I really dont care what either of you say! I have been in the bussiness for a while and will be here for a long time! What joe has done to people here in LA is fucked up and someone needs to put a stop to him!! You want to get to know me go to then go to http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2353231/ or go look up my stuff! Do you really think if I am such a bad guy 500 people from top companies would hire me to do more than 500 scenes in the last 2 years? Do you really think I would be sitting in my 2800 square foot studio here shooting tons of content? you all stop be hater allready!
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I dont know Brad Mitchell or you and you all dont know me!!! So I really dont care what either of you say! I have been in the bussiness for a while and will be here for a long time! What joe has done to people here in LA is fucked up and someone needs to put a stop to him!! You want to get to know me go to then go to http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2353231/ or go look up my stuff! Do you really think if I am such a bad guy 500 people from top companies would hire me to do more than 500 scenes in the last 2 years? Do you really think I would be sitting in my 2800 square foot studio here shooting tons of content? you all stop be hater allready!
Yes, I think people would still do business with you...And here's why....

You live predominately (big word...properly spelled...feel free to look it up) in the video/DVD side of this industry. That side of the business has significantly more fucked up people, con artists, and just assholes in general.

You fit right in.

Even when you continue to lie about "your" studio.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:33 PM   #64
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Yes, I think people would still do business with you...And here's why....

You live predominately (big word...properly spelled...feel free to look it up) in the video/DVD side of this industry. That side of the business has significantly more fucked up people, con artists, and just assholes in general.

You fit right in.

Even when you continue to lie about "your" studio.
bullshit I did milfseeker for 2 years everyweek and a ton of other sites! look at the link I sent you again because I have mostly done internet and worked for mostly INTERNET companies! Also just uploaded some pictures of MY STUDIO if you want to check it out! http://donnylongproductions.com/studio.html
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Donny,

If your statement about working with mostly internet companies is true, you should know better than to engage in this sort of flame war on your primary place of business.

Most internet companies actually know how to use the internet. This is not a good business card to leave on the front desk of the place you do business.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:55 PM   #66
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Also just uploaded some pictures of MY STUDIO
I wasn't going to post in this thread, but you repeatedly keep indicating that you own a studio.

Don't you in fact just rent the space from the person that actually owns the studio when he's not using it?

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Long, who's been in the business about 2 1/2 years, started Donny Long Productions, and in the last two months has been shooting at the PrimeTimeUncensored studios. Long shoots during the week and weekends - whenever PTU isn't taping shows.
If that is the case, then I am curious why you feel a need to exaggerate and lie so much?

Your credibility is closing in on rock bottom...

BTW, I got a call earlier this evening from a person that stated in no uncertain terms that you bragged to him about being behind the "letters in neighbor's mailboxes" dirty tricks job against Joe (AMA Content).

Oh and who is performing the song in the Nautica trailer? I found a MySpace page that has it, but I figure since you have the license to use it, you must know.

I need to license some more music for my sites.

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Wow, this is too much. I don't know Donny, hope to never meet him. Man you just don't know when to quit do you. It is easy for me to avoid the fray of drama, me being east coast in a predominantly west coast biz, but following this and other Donny threads unfold has been quite entertaining.

Not that Joe needs another bump for his character, but knowing that a small time player like me can vouch for him should say something. I sent a model to him years ago from Ohio who had never shot in the biz before. Joe could have screwed her over easily, her being very naive. But he did not, paid her a fair wage, treated her with respect and gave her good advice.

Donny, please for the sake of all thats holy, spend your time trying to mend the reputation you unravel with every post.

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DONNY,

ENOUGH DUDE!!!

"STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS!!

"WOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAA'

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Wow, this is too much. I don't know Donny, hope to never meet him. Man you just don't know when to quit do you. It is easy for me to avoid the fray of drama, me being east coast in a predominantly west coast biz, but following this and other Donny threads unfold has been quite entertaining.

Not that Joe needs another bump for his character, but knowing that a small time player like me can vouch for him should say something. I sent a model to him years ago from Ohio who had never shot in the biz before. Joe could have screwed her over easily, her being very naive. But he did not, paid her a fair wage, treated her with respect and gave her good advice.

Donny, please for the sake of all thats holy, spend your time trying to mend the reputation you unravel with every post.

Sinclair
Look I want to make nice with everyone here but joe and I guess its just
going to have to take some time for me to prove to people what he is all
about and what I am all about! Here is some good stuff for you to read
up on about joe! also everyone that buys his content should know that he
is known for not paying talent and I am friends with a lot of these
people and if you dont pay talent things can get nasty! By the way lisa
ann is a sweat heart and even she hates him! He is not aloud to book her
girls! I book her girls all the time! Anyone need some content from her
girls hit me up! she has tons of hot chicks with her agency!
No disrespect to you or anybody else, thats just my 2 cents.. I like
that line dave lol

May 21, 2007, 3:03 PM
Lisa Ann Vs. AMA Joe
By LUKE IS BACK |

Monday afternoon I call Lisa Ann of Clear Talent Management.
Lisa: "Joe?s an agent?s nightmare. He booked eight people last
Friday to do handjobs. It?s a calamity of a day. You ask eight porn
people to be somewhere at a certain time, obviously it?s not going to
happen. Some of the people were late.
"Today one of my girls had a shoot over there. He told her, "It?s
cancelled. I?m no longer doing business with Lisa?s agency because
the girls were late.?
"Two people were late.
"He was yelling at me last Friday. ?Why don?t you control your
girls?? Well, one of the girls who was late has never been late
before.
"The shout-out I?d like to give to Joe is: ?My girls can not
possibly be any later than his checks.?
"I?m not the only agency he owes money to."

lukeisback.com
Emily Evermoore Vs. AMA
She emails me:

I only Breezed over your stories about joe and dennis for ama but I am
sure the bad things said are right! Joe and Dennis have fucked me by
saling content they never paid me for they also will make cut in there
filming or "redue" pick ups saying the one pick up was "bad" one shoot
took 12hr. for a ganzo! I later found out they produced 2 movies that
day!!! Not only that but they took stills there are now selling on there
site for way to much and NEVER paid me these stills were supose to be
for three films he told me he would be filming but after stills for all
three films he told me he would have to film the rest another day AMA is
the skum of the earth as for his to wifes....I use to be in the drug
seen (I have been sober for 2months!) the addition his lovers suffer are
not a sex addition. LADIES AVOID WORKING FOR AMA!!!!!!

also lukeisback
Mike Argent emails:
Joe Ama - this guy reminds me of a pick pocket or some guy that sells
you a vcr on the street but when you get home and unwrap the nice
pakaging it is a box of rocks. He should be on every agents black list
and everyone else - get cash up front before you shoot or forget it he
will bail back to Las Vegas or Colorado He had me shoot in his
unpermitted location with no showers or bathrooms, negotiated with the
talent and gave me a list of stuff to shoot (little did I know he told
them only 1/2 of what was on my sheet) He then put the talent through a
grueling shoot. Shot 6 complete scenes with stills, video and acting
scenarios which I completed in record time with no brakes and no food or
water supplied by Ama Joe Many hours later the talent laughed when he
tried to blame me for taking too long. They complained that they did
twice what was agreed upon at the start of the shoot to no avail. He
just called the agent and tried shift blame and squirm out of paying
more, but I am sure the agent knew what was up or found out after
talking to the talent.
The talent loudly stated they would never work for him again and stormed
out after thanking me for being nice to them and assuring me it was not
my fault. Three weeks later he only paid me 1/3 of what we agreed apon
even though every single still was perfectly exposed and video was way
better than his "features" that were shot by the shakiest camera camera
I have scene and were certainly not capable of ataining over 2 stars
from avn I heard he has hired (set up scam) many camera people just to
get the talent cheap and keep them longer that agreed upon and blame it
on them (set up scam) I was going to call the labor board on him but
seemed like too much trouble, may still...
Agents - bear in mind any producer is responsible for his employees
actions.
Talent, industry professionals, suppliers and everyone else - Stay away
from this lying, cheating, rip off artist. Why spend so much time,
energy and effort trying to rip people off when if you treat them right
riches will come back to you tenfold?

pornstarperformance.com
Posted by Kevin Stich of at 7:52pm
Joe from AMA.......Burns Talent $500.00

Monday, August 22nd, 2005. Jessica Jammer was hired for a g/g set
at 12:00pm to shoot for AMA Video. She was told by AMA, payment can be
picked up on the 31st of August. It has been now 1 month later,
still NO PAYMENT! Details were that 3 girls were hired from me to
shoot that day and I was told that all checks would be available on
August 31, 2005, along with management fees. August 31, I go to AMA ,
7334 Topanga Canyon Rd, to collect all checks for the girls. Joe
proceeds to hand me one check for the total amount of 1,300. I asked
him why he was paying me in one check for 3 different girls and myself,
his response..... That is all I have in the budget . I replied
with that is not acceptable, as well as, this is not the original
agreement. So he paid the other two girls their agreed rates and
told me that he was going to contact his producer and myself and have a
meeting to discuss the issue. After several attempts to contact him,
he has refused to pay both Jessica and myself. He has also refused to
speak to either one of us. A total of 3 girls shot that day and 2
were paid, but not Jessica Jammer.

His response now is to contact his lawyer.

I was not going to post this at all, until after reading that he had
burned a producer on another occasion for location fee. I feel that by
bringing this issue to light, that not only will both of us possibly be
compensated as originally agreed upon, in addition there might be other
talent with similar stories.

BEWARE ALL TALENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:27 PM   #70
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Guys if you ever meet this character, you will see what I mean when I say this dude is deep into meth. ALl you have to do is meet him in person and youll see. Its a shame what drugs do to people, the valley is full of it here unfortunately. I see what happens which is why I dont do drugs or drink.

Hope to see you guys in Vegas. Ill be the fat dude with the 2 inch penis
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:32 PM   #71
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come on man, stick to having good things to say if you really want to do business here. Post your girls and what you can do, Talk to people and quit the bullshit. Telling on people will get you nothing. Who the hell wants to deal with that? Who cares if Joe did something. Be the bigger man and move on. If I bitched at all the scum I know and have met I would not have enough time to get anything done.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:01 PM   #72
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Like I said before my content we speak for me!!! joes shit is garbage, look at my samples and then his!!! None on this board knows joe like all the talent pool does!! he is a crook!!! Joe your in for a big surprise!!!! How come your not shooting today???? I am and laughing all the way too the bank so keep it up! Got to get back to shooting now see ya!!!
Do you do a lot of drugs or something? Where's all this anger and irrational behavior coming from?

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Hope to see you guys in Vegas. Ill be the fat dude with the 2 inch penis
Dude, you just described half the guys who will be at the show.
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Do you do a lot of drugs or something? Where's all this anger and irrational behavior coming from?

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BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YA know im still waiting for 1 company he "shoots for" to back him up.

Anyone anyone.. ???
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:43 PM   #75
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BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YA know im still waiting for 1 company he "shoots for" to back him up.

Anyone anyone.. ???
Look joe my clients are not going to play your childish stupid games! Why dont you Grow up and we can deal with this outside of gfy! You really should grow up! You are the most unprofessional person I have ever seen!
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:45 PM   #76
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BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

YA know im still waiting for 1 company he "shoots for" to back him up.

Anyone anyone.. ???
Here is another and there are more to come!

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Posted by Stoney Curtis of Celestial Productions / Lethal Hardcore at 12:56pm
Warning to all Talent and Home Owners, Joe at AMA Video has not paid for Location.

Back on 8/31 we rented out our location to Joe and he promised he would send the check the next day well it is 9/20 and we still have no check. He has told my assistant who handles this for me he sent it several times. I am warning talent and location people GET YOUR MONEY as soon as you are done dont fall for the check in the mail line like we did!! I know this is not related to porn performance but I felt that people should know the Directors that dont pay like they promise too!!!

Besides Joe was warned that if he didnt have some respect and class and make good on the money that I would post this because at this point it is no longer about the money!!

If anyone else has had trouble with this company please report to this site!!
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:29 PM   #77
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do yourself a favor dude, quit running your mouth. your making yourself look like a dumbass. oooops......... too late
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:32 PM   #78
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Sounds to me like they are both a couple of assholes...
...im just saying.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:51 PM   #79
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:54 PM   #80
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HAHAHAHA Stoney Curtis... here is a guy that scams girls into $300 POV BG scenes telling them its part of the scene. then the girls discover the camera was never turned on. So far Donny your list is quite reputable.
Keep posting... you are makin me look great
Funny thing is all these people that are very successful, you have something bad to say about them Including me! There are so many people that hate you because your a scum bag and I am calling you on it. There is no one here that has done business with me and has anything bad to say about me!!! All my clients have been watching this and are laughing at you!! All my clients on gfy are happy with my work and thats why I get new orders in every week! Do you think people want to buy content from a guy that doesn't pay his talent or agents? Your day is coming soon, also you are going to have to answer to all the people you sold content to when you get slammed in court for not paying the talent. The model releases will be thrown out! Do you really think people want to have to take all that content off there sites? Everyone, I warn you, beware of this guy! I put the facts for you here to read so take my advise before it gets ugly! Great way to do business Joe!! I pay all the agents and talent there money! Also I pay same day and don't make people chase there money you scumbag! I am not going to stop until your done for good this time!!! I want you to remember that! Hey hows the shooting house in woodland hills Joe??? You know the one you live in and forged all the neighbors signatures to get a permit for? So everyone knows, he does not have a studio and has not had one for almost a year! He lost it a year ago when his partner told him to fuck off!!! Anyone want to drop buy the address and take a look? Maybe I will and take some pictures and post them! He does have on office upstairs in the back that is a old set where he use to shoot illegally without a permit and I hear he might be using it again! Its a small office! Your studio huh Joe??? everyday I lmfao all the way to the bank at this fool!!! Everyone here please don't hate on me because I hate scum like him! I will be here in this business in 5,10 ect. years he wont, you cant have my word on that! and remember
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:43 PM   #81
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Bump for anyone that has not read about joe no balls!
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:05 PM   #82
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Bump for anyone that has not read about joe no balls!
Donny,

I must say I am impressed. And I mean that, no bullshit.

You are improving with each of the last 10 or so posts.

You are using spellcheck or a grammar workbook, and I can see the results.

I must point out, now that you have stopped using exclamation points after every third word or so, the value of hitting the RETURN key.

People do NOT like to read a giant blob of text all together. I am serious about this. You may well have a point, and you may well be correct in that point. But, no one will ever know if you keep posting these massive globs of letters with no break.

The internet is a wonderful tool for exposing fools, but most of the people reading what we (you) write will not sit through what looks like homework, so use the ENTER button sometimes.

Most people use it as a break. When you stop for a second, hit the ENTER button. When you are changing directions with your thoughts, use the ENTER button.

It makes people really consider what you have to say.

I am not critical of what you have written at all. I do not know you or Joe. But I do know that your presentation skills are vastly better than they were at the beginning of the "Are these Asian Chicks pussies Tight" thread.

You may well have something that should be exposed with AMA Joe. And you may not. But if you can at least present a logical and well-spoken argument from your perspective, you won't have the trolls coming into your threads to suck your blood while you make your point.

Good job on the fast improvements, and I look forward to your next, and future moves.

In the next lesson we will discuss commas.

Best wishe!

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Old 12-02-2007, 11:10 PM   #83
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Like I said before my content we speak for me!!! joes shit is garbage, look at my samples and then his!!! None on this board knows joe like all the talent pool does!! he is a crook!!! Joe your in for a big surprise!!!! How come your not shooting today???? I am and laughing all the way too the bank so keep it up! Got to get back to shooting now see ya!!!
are you fucking Turkish or something? ............................ drugs?
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:15 PM   #84
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joe has always been very professional with me and has great content.
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:36 PM   #85
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joe has always been very professional with me and has great content.
great? You must have never seen great content! PROFESSIONAL? Did you not read all the horror stories from other people about him? If you do business with him you will get burned by him.
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