Newbie - Aquired Adult Site

[contemptx]

Ok,

I have been around on here for sometime back and forth trying to get something going to start me into the adult side of things as I have done well with other types of websites but never really touched adult sites.... until now.

I have recently purchased: DirtyTube.org

Which is an adult video & social networking site, Its needs abit of work.. revamp design, more few more features etc..

But It gets good traffic about 30,000 - 50,000 unique visitors per day, and does well from its current Advertising setup but I know it can do better.

Right now the site is earning revenue mainly from Adengage and some other CPC / CPM Ads but does not promote any Affiliates.

So really im looking for a kick in the right direction.

Should I stick with the current advertiser? or do you know any better CPC / CPM advertisers?

Or should I switch to promoting Affiliates and private advertising sales?

If Affiliates what programs do you think would suit this type of website?

Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

[Antonio]

quick look at your site showed me that your longest video is around 12 minutes, if you want to make in this biz you should serve movies at least 45 minutes long + the quality should be a touch better, just my 2c

[halfpint]

oh huh see siggy I would take those 12 minute movies off and have short clips..and get some sponsers that allow you to use content on tube sites.. you are gonna be rumbled by GFY

[L-Pink]

Tell us about your content.

[LeRoy]

Just upload trailers and then link the vids to your sponsor.

or buy some content and sell it like most of us do.

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Tell us about your content.

Tick. . .tick. . . tick . . .

[contemptx]

Right now I know nothing about the current content, its still transfering over to my servers.

Although having a quick glance through the content by the looks of things is alot of spam and amatur videos.

I was looking to purchase some content for the site and some full length videos that I could either sell or charge X amount per rental (VOD)

Anyone know of some good places to purchase some good quality video's? amatuer and professional related.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by contemptx

Right now I know nothing about the current content, its still transfering over to my servers.

Although having a quick glance through the content by the looks of things is alot of spam and amatur videos.

I was looking to purchase some content for the site and some full length videos that I could either sell or charge X amount per rental (VOD)

Anyone know of some good places to purchase some good quality video's? amatuer and professional related.

So you are not worried about underage, copyrighted or no model release content. ?

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[contemptx]

The site has no underage content as all content has been moderated to some extent by the previous owner,

Although im yet to go through it to remove other offensive material.

Once im fully running the site I will be trying my best to moderate all content the best I can but there will also be a report feature as its impossible to know whats what from first glance.

Although thats kinda off-topic right now as Im looking for ways to change / improve the current content and advertising model of the site.

[L-Pink]

Is there paperwork on anything?

[contemptx]

Nope, i dont have paperwork for anything, from what the previous owner has told me its mainly user submitted content,

Although I want to keep that part I want to moderate the content submitted by users so It is just there own content being uploaded.

Then obviouly create the VOD part of the site that will be premium content.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by contemptx

Nope, i dont have paperwork for anything, from what the previous owner has told me its mainly user submitted content,

"Mainly user submitted content" What about the rest?

Have you had ANY advise from a lawyer familiar with internet porn laws, copyright laws? I couldn't sleep waiting for the FBI and assorted content lawsuits to hit.

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[Shakula]

Dont listen to L-Pink, he is just jellous because you are now more successful then him. Even though he has been 10+ years in the biz, and still work as a grunt (submit galleries..).

[Nookster]

You guys are actually trying to help this guy? Look what he does kids.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Shakula

Dont listen to L-Pink, he is just jellous because you are now more successful then him. Even though he has been 10+ years in the biz, and still work as a grunt (submit galleries..).

I have never submitted a gallery in my life.

[Shakula]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I have never submitted a gallery in my life.

Thats not what my resources tell me on ICQ.
Accept and move on, grunt.

[MakingItPay]

He admitted he was a newbie. I think the slam has been muted since he seems sincere. Pirated content = bad. My advice would be get legal content asap before everyone rips you a new one. Ask for that here, and I bet you get lots.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Shakula

Thats not what my resources tell me on ICQ.
Accept and move on, grunt.

Prove it or move on !

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

He admitted he was a newbie. I think the slam has been muted since he seems sincere. Pirated content = bad. My advice would be get legal content asap before everyone rips you a new one. Ask for that here, and I bet you get lots.

I'm not interested in slamming. I'm shocked at the situation and just trying to find out some details.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Shakula

Dont listen to L-Pink, he is just jealous because you are now more successful then him. Even though he has been 10+ years in the biz, and still work as a grunt (submit galleries..).

This site was for sale for $15,000, what's to be jealous of.

What's with making up lies about galleries?

Here is a guy about to or already has stepped in shit and you are fucking with me, nice.

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[StarkReality]

Just one piece of advice: User generated content in adult simply means stolen content, exceptions are rare, so get rid of any submission feature and upload your own sponsor stuff...or create accounts for sponsors so some affiliate manager can do the job for you.

You won't want to remove all at once, so make sure all new content is legal and documented, remove the old stuff as you add new.

[contemptx]

L-Pink,

At the moment the site is based on user submitted content, that is supposed to be there own content but right now I highly doubt thats the case.

as regarding laws, papers etc.. I have been reading around regarding those and that the direction I want to take the site.

However I do know somewhat about using DMCA etc.. and know that a suffeciant report / remove system inplace will cover me, unless I turned round and declined to take down offending material then I would be in trouble.

(Example youtube and many other sites that use this takedown DMCA to protect themselves although there not a great example as they have been sued but there bigger fish than me right now)

Anyway moving on.....

As said previously I really want to turn the site around and minimise the user submitted content that will be moderated so the site should hopefully build a steady stream of legit user content.

I also want to add legit paid for content that will be used for other parts of the site again as said before VOD / Premium.

Somthing like what Xtube.com and other related sites have running and they seem to work well.

Then once I have those things running well I want to concentrate on what advertising route would be the way to go for.

So..

If anyone could please guide me in the right direction to purchase some good quality content & some good CPC / CPM or Affiliates that you think would convert well with this type of site Please share them with me ;) It would be much appreciated.

Also just to say, Im a newbie to the Adult side of things but I do very well with non-adult related sites so Im not a complete newbie on how to make a website earn cash.

[contemptx]

Right heading off to spend some time with the mrs, will catch up with this tomorrow.

Hope to checkout some of the leads someone of you may chuck my way as regards to content & advertising.

Thanks

[L-Pink]

We will never agree with your DMCA approach to stolen content. That is not something I am addressing today.

Right now you are running an adult porn site with zero documentation. Your content is from a variety of sources. "I'm new" is not a good defense should you be audited by law enforcement. A paperwork problem is jail time under 2257.

Get a lawyer.

Good luck.

[V_RocKs]

Anything uploaded by your surfers WILL land you in jail.

It is called 2257. You must have the proper documentation for proving the ages and it must also BE FILED properly and made readily available for inspection.

You really need to read this because if you don't follow it you are going str8 to jail.

[fris]

saw dirtytube being sold, congrats ont he purchase, wondering why it was down for a bit.

[darnit]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Anything uploaded by your surfers WILL land you in jail.

It is called 2257. You must have the proper documentation for proving the ages and it must also BE FILED properly and made readily available for inspection.

You really need to read this because if you don't follow it you are going str8 to jail.

Well, he didn't mention where he or his business is located. If you are in the states this is very important. I would *strongly* recommend reading up on this if you are US based.

Regarding your choice of sponsors - its not a one size fits all solution. All traffic behaves differently. My best advice is to experiment - I have found that on non-specific sites (where the content is all over the map, for ex: not black midget porn where its pretty clear what your surfers are into) its good to experiment with things that your site doesn't offer. Cams and Adult dating come to mind.

But once again - sponsors and traffic can be hit or miss, best advice is to use some form of ad management and rotate a few sponsors at a time. Dig through the stats and find which is making the most money per impression (don't look at per click stats) as these "tube" type sites typically have poor CTR's and your hardest goal on these volume sites is to pull people off your site to your sponsors... this is largely determined by the quality of their marketing materials and your own creativity. Hence the CPM suggestion.

So try if determine sponsor "A" makes "X" cents per "Y" number of impression vs. sponsor "B" and if that's the case increase "A"'s rotation in your ad management but still keep a healthy proportion of other ads to keep testing. Your goal is now to find a program that beats "A".

Test, test and then test some more.

Good luck and do research 2257 if you are in the states. Thats probably the best advice I've seen in this thread.

[TeenCat]

hey man that nzb site in your sig can tell ...

[thonglife]

I needed another site to test my new bot on.

[selena]

Originally Posted by contemptx

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However I do know somewhat about using DMCA etc.. and know that a suffeciant report / remove system inplace will cover me, unless I turned round and declined to take down offending material then I would be in trouble.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by selena

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Planning ahead for content theft?

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[thonglife]

Ghost Cash
http://www.dirtytube.org/viewvideo/102/Thai_Creampie/
Bang Bros
http://www.dirtytube.org/members/vie..._for_the_cock/
Reality Cash or Orgy Cash
http://www.dirtytube.org/members/vie..._party_fucker/

The site loads horridly slow so that's all I found in the first few clicks. Another stolen content aggregator.

[selena]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Planning ahead for content theft?

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I just was hoping that that wasn't intended like I read it.

I read as if it were

"yeah, yeah, blahtey blah blah on 2257 and content theft. I already know that I can hide behind DMCA when your stuff gets stolen and uploaded by my users, so can we get back to the information that I want you to give me?"

I'm obviously tired and need to go to bed.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by thonglife

Ghost Cash
http://www.dirtytube.org/viewvideo/102/Thai_Creampie/
Bang Bros
http://www.dirtytube.org/members/vie..._for_the_cock/
Reality Cash or Orgy Cash
http://www.dirtytube.org/members/vie..._party_fucker/

The site loads horridly slow so that's all I found in the first few clicks. Another stolen content aggregator.

And not a clue or care where the content came from or it's legal requirements.

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[MarcWomack]

Originally Posted by darnit

Wuse some form of ad management and rotate a few sponsors at a time. Dig through the stats and find which is making the most money per impression (don't look at per click stats) as these "tube" type sites typically have poor CTR's and your hardest goal on these volume sites is to pull people off your site to your sponsors... this is largely determined by the quality of their marketing materials and your own creativity. Hence the CPM suggestion.

And if you want the world's best ad rotation solution built from the ground up to do exactly that for FREE then you should scope out www.madisonavenue.com.

YES, it's a blatant plug for our system but it's free and it kicks ass. We're doing over 3,000,000,000 monthly ad impressions for our Publishers so we gotta be doing something right! MadAv is a hosted service (think like salesforce.com) so you don't have to install anything on your servers. You don't even have to pay the bandwidth on your ads! With our system you can see the exact RPM (revenue/1000 impressions) you make off affiliate ads and adjust your rotation to maximize the money you make. You can also use the system to sell ads yourself on a cost per click (CPC), cpm (cost per 1000 impresions), and/or on a time basis. Finally, if you want you can have the fine folks of MadisonAvenue.com sell some or all of your ads for you.

Bottom line, scope it out, feel free to hit me up and I'll give you a run-through. It's totally free so it's a no-brainer to try. I know you said you're new so you won't know me from Adam, but feel free to ask around. We've been in the biz since 1999 (well technically 1994 when I worked for Adam&Eve) and we've busted our asses to build a rock-solid reputation.

[d-null]

I suspect you invested money you could afford to lose on this one...

[halchka99]

what if his servers are out of the US, like in UK etc... does he still need to worry?

[contemptx]

Right..

Whats with all the Oh he is stealing content, he intends to steal content etc...

I have said that I have just aquired the site and that im new to the adult world, I didnt want to be flamed for things over and over I wanted guidence on them.

So.. NO, thats not what im doing I have purchased a site that I want to turn around so its running how it should be, with papers etc..

Also Im not located in the US, currently in the UK But I also dont want underage / stolen content etc.. served out on the site.

So I will be looking around to purchase content.

[contemptx]

jetjet,

You should never invest money you cant afford to lose, so yes I did.

[John.]

The point about getting a Lawyer who knows the adult biz could not be stressed enough.

About content and who to promote, I think that has a lot to depend on where your traffic is coming from.

Originally Posted by contemptx

Right..

Whats with all the Oh he is stealing content, he intends to steal content etc...

I have said that I have just aquired the site and that im new to the adult world, I didnt want to be flamed for things over and over I wanted guidence on them.

So.. NO, thats not what im doing I have purchased a site that I want to turn around so its running how it should be, with papers etc..

Also Im not located in the US, currently in the UK But I also dont want underage / stolen content etc.. served out on the site.

So I will be looking around to purchase content.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by John.

The point about getting a Lawyer who knows the adult biz could not be stressed enough.

About content and who to promote, I think that has a lot to depend on where your traffic is coming from.

exactly

get a lawyer, when you process or your sponsors process in the US or anything alike, you want to get the proper info. This isnt the fish n chips shop around the corner but the internet theres such thing as Im not in the US so I dont have to comply. Make sure you got everything done in writing all releases and whats needed. Wouldnt be the first to go down after a lawsuit for a tubesite.

[contemptx]

I assume when buying content the guys that I buy from should have and should supply me with the correct paper work.

[cezam]

Originally Posted by contemptx

I assume when buying content the guys that I buy from should have and should supply me with the correct paper work.

positive

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally Posted by contemptx

But I also dont want underage / stolen content etc.. served out on the site.

Don't let users upload stuff then

[Red Ezra]

I think a glass of wine is in order

[rip raster]

It probably would have been cheaper and easier for you to register a new domain for $10 and do as much research as possible related to online adult marketing etc. Visit as many resource sites such as GFY, etc. etc. and once you have a firm grasp of the way the business works and the legalities pertaining to online adult material you should decide what direction to go from there.

This would save you a lot of headache trying to sift through someone else's mess trying to clean it up, and would eliminate the risk of being sued for copyright infringement or worse.

I understand your enthusiasm, but diving head first into something such as online porn may not be the best approach considering that many of the laws regarding online adult material are vague at best, and may differ greatly depending on your geographical location.

This is just my

Good luck in your endeavors

[fris]

give the guy a break, hes trying to make things right, he just bought a site and is trying to fix it up, some people could help him out here, but you are too busy trying to rip him a new asshole.

[Bird]

Originally Posted by Antonio

quick look at your site showed me that your longest video is around 12 minutes, if you want to make in this biz you should serve movies at least 45 minutes long + the quality should be a touch better, just my 2c

Whats the average time on site. I have some 30-45 min videos and still my Avg. time on site is under 5:00, LOL

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Serious Business

give the guy a break, hes trying to make things right, he just bought a site and is trying to fix it up, some people could help him out here, but you are too busy trying to rip him a new asshole.

Content like his other promoted site?

http://www.nzbsrus.com/


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[d-null]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Content like his other promoted site?

http://www.nzbsrus.com/

sad that people like him put so much effort into stealing