Google PR question - GoFuckYourself.com

KingK7 · 09-30-2002, 10:18 AM

I know this might be a stupid question, but here goes..

Say I have a site that has PR 4 with google...
Now if that site gets listed in both dmoz and Yahoo, what effect would that have on the PR?
They each give like 1 point, or?

BazookaDog · 09-30-2002, 10:43 AM

From what I understand, the PR is figured as an average....No site specifically gives you a 'point' in PR if you get linked/listed...but getting listed + your current PR might push you over the 'edge' and bump your PR up a notch.

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 12:35 PM

From my experience, I usually get a new domain and then get submitted into Yahoo/DMOZ. Yahoo alone usually gets a +2. DMOZ I found a +1. Get into both and it usually works out to +4. So it's not an even spread, it really is a complex calculation based on all links to you. The more quality links coming to you, the more your ranking will go up.

WG

playa · 09-30-2002, 01:20 PM

WG,

just a quick question, in these times how important is having
unique IP's,, i got ton's that are IP less domains and wanted to make sure that there is nothing wrong with that as long as its good web pages and not doorways

BJ · 09-30-2002, 01:48 PM

I believe based on experience, that unique ip's help and differnt class of IP's really helps. Based on what happened recently with google, it seems that you can get good ranking on the first update, but on further updates, google tends to weed out domains with Consecutive ip addresses that link together.

virtually hosted sites have the ability to do well, but long term rankings aren't likely.

I have several pr5+ sites and used to have hundreds, the ones that continue to do well are ones in different class ip addresses and the ones that fell were consecutive ip's.

My theory is that you really need to trade links with other sites in the same niche as you with high page ranks. Do a search for coffee on google and the #1 result is starbucks. They have a shitload of incoming links just from people linking to them from relevant sites.

If anyone has some mainstream High PR sites and would like to trade let me know.

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 01:53 PM

Playa> To be honest, it would seem to have an affect on adult websites but non-adult sites has no effect. A little confusing, so let me try to clarify.

I believe for adult websites, having more IP's from multiple IP classes does matter, but for non-adult websites I don't believe this to be true. I know this doesn't seem to make much sense since what does Google consider to be "adult", but this is the conclusion I've come to from my experience.

For example, I have about a dozen websites, all non-adult on a single server with 1 IP. The PR's all range from 4-6 on these without a problem.

For adult though, I did the same and could never break PR=3. I started to break off some sites into different IP's, not changing link strategies and my PR has gone up a notch to 4 and on one occassion 5.

That's why I came to the above conclusion.

Hope this helps.

WG

playa · 09-30-2002, 02:01 PM

strange how google has a different approach to adult websites,,maybe they understand that most adult sites are on dedicated hosting rather the typical cheap virtual sites

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 05:55 PM

I think Google was designed to screw with SEO's heads. I bet ya they are just kicking back and watching us trying to get better placement and getting off by our frustrations. I hate google sometimes.

WG

Mr.Fiction · 09-30-2002, 07:25 PM

Can someone with the toolbar post the PR of some of the Sex Tracker top sites, just to give me an idea of who's got what. For example:

Persian Kitty
Green Guy
The Hun
Sleazy
World Sex
Voyeurweb
Pichunter
Raw Pussy
JJJ

And what about SexTracker.com? Every big site links to them.

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 07:33 PM

The Hun and PK are both PR=6. It's a lot easier to download the bar yourself. Goto Google.com and search for Google search bar and download. Plugs right into IE.

WG

xanx · 09-30-2002, 07:34 PM

I know Persian Kitty has a 6 last I checked. My damn site had a 5 3 hours ago and now it's a 4. Thats odd...

BJ · 09-30-2002, 07:37 PM

sextracker 6/10
Persian Kitty 6/10
Green Guy 6/10
The Hun 6/10
Sleazy 5/10
World Sex 6/10
Voyeurweb 6/10
Pichunter 5/10
Raw Pussy 4/10
JJJ 5/10

Mr.Fiction · 09-30-2002, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
sextracker 6/10
Persian Kitty 6/10
Green Guy 6/10
The Hun 6/10
Sleazy 5/10
World Sex 6/10
Voyeurweb 6/10
Pichunter 5/10
Raw Pussy 4/10
JJJ 5/10

Thanks!

Damn, what does it take to get a 7+ then? Sextracker is linked from almost every one of the big (traffic) free adult sites on the web, it seems like they should be higher.

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 08:06 PM

It takes someone with a PR of 7+ to link to you. Given that Playboy.com is the only site I know with PR=7 that's in the adult biz, you're pretty much capped at 6.

WG

BJ · 09-30-2002, 08:21 PM

apple.com 10/10

fnet · 09-30-2002, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
It takes someone with a PR of 7+ to link to you. Given that Playboy.com is the only site I know with PR=7 that's in the adult biz, you're pretty much capped at 6.

WG

Completely untrue. We have a lower average PR. There are other adult sites with PR7. And I aim to be among them eventually.

BJ · 09-30-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

Completely untrue. We have a lower average PR. There are other adult sites with PR7. And I aim to be among them eventually.

which ones?

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 10:23 PM

Unless your getting linked from a mainstream site with PR>7, I would like to know your plan on getting your site up to 7, or even naming a porn site with PR>7.

WG

playa · 09-30-2002, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
apple.com 10/10

http://microsoft.com/ 10/10

BJ · 09-30-2002, 10:27 PM

wiredguy, you ever read this? just came accross it. It was written by the founder of google.

http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

quiet · 09-30-2002, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
wiredguy, you ever read this? just came accross it. It was written by the founder of google.

http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

nice :)

WiredGuy · 09-30-2002, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
wiredguy, you ever read this? just came accross it. It was written by the founder of google.

http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

Yeah, the algorithm is rather simple, just a lot of calculations involved. I guess that's where my degree in Combinations and Optimization kicks in, but generally it's quite simple. I have tons of other articles printed up on Google since that article was published a few years ago. I don't have them here off hand, but if you want them, ICQ me tomorrow and I'll get them for you.

WG

fnet · 12-20-2002, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds

which ones?

JanesGuide.com and SuicideGirls.com are the ones that came to mind at the moment.

Edit:: Also AVN.com

Funny that we don't have a way to use page rank as an express filter though.

I think I want to be able to do this. Yes.

I want to be able to combine google's

'http'

search which returns pagerank with any topic. We should all be able to do this. All that takes is spidering the http search to a depth of 7... oh great... it cuts off right about there.

fnet · 12-20-2002, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

Funny that we don't have a way to use page rank as an express filter though.

I think I want to be able to do this. Yes.

I want to be able to combine google's

'http'

search which returns pagerank with any topic. We should all be able to do this. All that takes is spidering the http search to a depth of 7... oh great... it cuts off right about there.

Ok... using the google API you can set where in the results records you want to start... So using google API and perl you could pull down ALL the PR 7 sites, throw them in SQL textfields and search for porn words. I'm just not sure how many there are.
maybe as many as 10,000?

angelsofporn · 12-20-2002, 04:35 AM

If you use google with pipecrewcash you will make a guareteed 10K a month...spank that shit

09-30-2002, 12:35 PM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	From my experience, I usually get a new domain and then get submitted into Yahoo/DMOZ. Yahoo alone usually gets a +2. DMOZ I found a +1. Get into both and it usually works out to +4. So it's not an even spread, it really is a complex calculation based on all links to you. The more quality links coming to you, the more your ranking will go up. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 01:53 PM	#6
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	Playa> To be honest, it would seem to have an affect on adult websites but non-adult sites has no effect. A little confusing, so let me try to clarify. I believe for adult websites, having more IP's from multiple IP classes does matter, but for non-adult websites I don't believe this to be true. I know this doesn't seem to make much sense since what does Google consider to be "adult", but this is the conclusion I've come to from my experience. For example, I have about a dozen websites, all non-adult on a single server with 1 IP. The PR's all range from 4-6 on these without a problem. For adult though, I did the same and could never break PR=3. I started to break off some sites into different IP's, not changing link strategies and my PR has gone up a notch to 4 and on one occassion 5. That's why I came to the above conclusion. Hope this helps. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 05:55 PM	#8
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	I think Google was designed to screw with SEO's heads. I bet ya they are just kicking back and watching us trying to get better placement and getting off by our frustrations. I hate google sometimes. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 07:33 PM	#10
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	The Hun and PK are both PR=6. It's a lot easier to download the bar yourself. Goto Google.com and search for Google search bar and download. Plugs right into IE. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 08:06 PM	#14
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	It takes someone with a PR of 7+ to link to you. Given that Playboy.com is the only site I know with PR=7 that's in the adult biz, you're pretty much capped at 6. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 10:18 AM	#1
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	Google PR question I know this might be a stupid question, but here goes.. Say I have a site that has PR 4 with google... Now if that site gets listed in both dmoz and Yahoo, what effect would that have on the PR? They each give like 1 point, or?

09-30-2002, 10:43 AM	#2
BazookaDog Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just North of the F.I.B's Posts: 46	From what I understand, the PR is figured as an average....No site specifically gives you a 'point' in PR if you get linked/listed...but getting listed + your current PR might push you over the 'edge' and bump your PR up a notch.

09-30-2002, 01:20 PM	#4
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	WG, just a quick question, in these times how important is having unique IP's,, i got ton's that are IP less domains and wanted to make sure that there is nothing wrong with that as long as its good web pages and not doorways

09-30-2002, 01:48 PM	#5
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	I believe based on experience, that unique ip's help and differnt class of IP's really helps. Based on what happened recently with google, it seems that you can get good ranking on the first update, but on further updates, google tends to weed out domains with Consecutive ip addresses that link together. virtually hosted sites have the ability to do well, but long term rankings aren't likely. I have several pr5+ sites and used to have hundreds, the ones that continue to do well are ones in different class ip addresses and the ones that fell were consecutive ip's. My theory is that you really need to trade links with other sites in the same niche as you with high page ranks. Do a search for coffee on google and the #1 result is starbucks. They have a shitload of incoming links just from people linking to them from relevant sites. If anyone has some mainstream High PR sites and would like to trade let me know.

09-30-2002, 02:01 PM	#7
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	strange how google has a different approach to adult websites,,maybe they understand that most adult sites are on dedicated hosting rather the typical cheap virtual sites

09-30-2002, 07:25 PM	#9
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Can someone with the toolbar post the PR of some of the Sex Tracker top sites, just to give me an idea of who's got what. For example: Persian Kitty Green Guy The Hun Sleazy World Sex Voyeurweb Pichunter Raw Pussy JJJ And what about SexTracker.com? Every big site links to them.

09-30-2002, 07:34 PM	#11
xanx Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,711	I know Persian Kitty has a 6 last I checked. My damn site had a 5 3 hours ago and now it's a 4. Thats odd...

09-30-2002, 07:37 PM	#12
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	sextracker 6/10 Persian Kitty 6/10 Green Guy 6/10 The Hun 6/10 Sleazy 5/10 World Sex 6/10 Voyeurweb 6/10 Pichunter 5/10 Raw Pussy 4/10 JJJ 5/10

09-30-2002, 08:21 PM	#15
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	apple.com 10/10

09-30-2002, 10:23 PM	#18
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,472	Unless your getting linked from a mainstream site with PR>7, I would like to know your plan on getting your site up to 7, or even naming a porn site with PR>7. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-30-2002, 10:27 PM	#20
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	wiredguy, you ever read this? just came accross it. It was written by the founder of google. http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

12-20-2002, 04:35 AM	#25
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	If you use google with pipecrewcash you will make a guareteed 10K a month...spank that shit