Mutt

that's the same with any type of crime - look at all the shenanigans that go on in this business - every major program had large scale spam operations and only two guys are doing prison time. the shady shit with the x-sales will go the same way - only one or two will actually pay the price for what they've done.

there are tons of people who don't even file taxes - think the taxman gets them all eventually? simply not enough resources to do that - which is why they make examples of people when they get caught because there has to be some deterrent or nobody would bother paying taxes.

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PersianKitty

Personally, I only have a few problems with this idea..

1. I like sleeping at night.
2. I like living in the United States.
3. I don't want it to be in a Federal Penitentiary.

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TheDoc

The average worker can use the system for major tax benefits. I don't know why most people don't do it. Maybe they don't know how, or need the money to much to by the next big screen plasma super tv.

Like the worker and all corps can use pre-paid, tax free income to fund daycare accounts, medical expenses, and other things. Lowering the taxable income for both. Sadly, most workers don't even have or fund a 401k correctly, so they miss out on even the most basic savings opportunity that everyone has.

The biggest difference with a single business owner and a worker/corp with employees, is you aren't being taxed two or three times on "your Money", but just once. And, if you own the Company, your match can be better, you can invest up to 45kish in money to lower your tax more, and you get some neat medical benefits, plus local business/donation tax breaks, and lots of other goodies. Just need a kick ass cpa

Even if you work for the man, if you also own an LLC, mixed with some hard work it can give almost every American some type of tax benefit. It may not rock the doors for everyone, but even a 1% tax relief over your life time is huge.

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Pleasurepays

your not correct.

you "can" set up offshore companies

you "can" set them up cheaply

you can't set everything up cheaply and not worry about going to prison and fully satisfy the IRS and current tax law at the same time. in fact, the IRS can challenge you just for the hell of it.. then what? those nominee directors/board members gonna step up and go to court for you?

there is so much criteria to meet about being fully insulated from the company and any indirect control over its management, revenue etc that its ridiculous. it can only be properly set up with a true international business doing international business, with competent tax professionals well versed in US and international tax law.

this shit changes dramatically every 6 months as internal revenue codes are updated.

its not a game for kids to play.

Call Deloitte and Touche or anyone else that actually does this shit for real businesses and tell them that you want to move everything offshore and structure things so you have no chance of going to prison and tell them you want to spend 460 Euros and see what they say.

bottom line....

You guys are talking to a scammer who has nothing to lose in a business that is completely unregulated, has no oversight and who is encouraging you to play with very serious international and federal laws, flirt with criminal penalties and telling you to step into the line of fire for a fee while he risks nothing.

Pleasurepays

this is a funny thing about "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" mentality. the entire system is set up to effectively tax the lowest common denominator of society while others are lowering their tax burden and investing money.

Mike Semen

Wow, a HYIP forum. That really lends creditability.

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Evil-Dan

if your money is at risk in the United States due to the economic downturn, how is a bank in Butt Fuck No Where any better or safer?

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nnweb

just a guess but the banks in butt fuck no where did not lend lots and lots of money to broke americans who they KNOW could not afford the bill?

also this guys prices are expensive.

tony286

amen

acehigh

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acehigh

Compare our services with others and you will figure we aren't expensive.
To build-up some trust relation we added Credit Card as payment option.

However, we did setup the first 2 people on this forum and would like to thank them for choosing us for there Offshore needs.

Mr. Cool Ice

First of all it's YOU'RE.

But yea dude it's cheap. Not 460 Euros cheap but offshore banking is not for people making a small amount of money. You can expect to pay $2000+++ for something solid and even much more if you want a director in your place. I've seen guys pay as much as $10,000 for some really slick shit (multiple businesses and accounts) and I've seen the same guys battle the IRS and win.

CHEAP is a few thousand dollars. If someone thinks that is expensive then going offshore is not for them. Offshore is not for people just getting by, it is for people who make real money. Though you know this.

acehigh

We've added some more packages to our site regarding jurisdictions we work with.
Proudly we can announce that we did help already quite some people from this forum and thus far all of them where very positive regarding our professionalism and knowledge.

Hit us up for a free consult and perhaps we are capable to assist you with your Offshore needs!

cykoe6

There is no legal way to avoid taxes on income generated in the US or on income generated by a US citizen. Even a structure that is perfectly legal in all forms can still be ruled an illegal tax shelter if the "intent" of the structure is to avoid US income taxes.

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acehigh

I see a great deal of generalization from people who are either ill-informed or uninformed. First of all, most of our clients are not US based, yet face the same issues and in most cases even have a tax effective tax rate than Americans do. Secondly, Europeans have been hiding funds in places like Liechtenstein for almost as long as the US has been a country and they are very skilled at it. There are few things to remember when considering an offshore setup.

1. If you do not tell anyone about an offshore account there is a 99.9% chance no one will find out.
2. If you do not use a US billing address for your offshore credit card AND you do not wire funds to/from your US based bank account then there is a 100% chance no one will find out you have any offshore account.
3. The best offshore jurisdictions such as Liechtenstein, Gibraltar, Cyprus and North Cyrus do not share tax data with other countries unless you own taxes in that country meaning only resident companies.
4. The price you pay for the same offshore setup can vary by up to 2000% +/-. One of the most effective offshore setups for high net worth individuals using a Panama Private Interest Foundation, an offshore IBC in second jurisdiction and a corporate bank account in Liechtenstein can vary in prices from as low as $3500 to as much as $10,000 for the EXACT SAME Structure.

Pleasurepays

"Ill informed"?

"hiding funds" - i.e. committing tax evasion/tax fraud?

Look you stupid fucking scammer, either you know US tax law or you don't. Otherwise, all you are doing is saying "hey, just try to hide your shit, keep it quiet and hope you don't get caught" and you are telling that to people who can go to prison for decades by following your "advice"

breaking the law is breaking the law. period. end of story. as a US citizen, you are required to pay income tax on any income earned worldwide. that's not something you can argue against. its a simple truth.

all your bullshit about "hiding", "if you do not tell anyone", "99,9% chance", "privacy" etc doesn't change the fact that you have to commit multiple felonies in the USA and lie on your tax returns which ask specific questions about these things. you can't "un-lie" those lies. once you do it, you're fucked and the statute of limitations is 11 years i believe. not only that but tax laws change every 6 months, loopholes close etc etc etc.. so you have to be totally on top of US tax law at any given moment to even make any sort of claim with any degree of certainty

the reason this industry exists in the way that it does is because YOU have zero liability for your "advice" and YOU answer to no regulating body. YOU might just be some dick head who was selling encyclopedias last week and "offshore companies" this week.




how about considering this when considering some "offshore setup"

1) what are YOUR credentials?
2) what are YOUR references?
3) what is YOUR liability for the advice you give?
4) what makes YOU qualified to comment on the tax laws of other countries and give tax advice to citizens of the US?
5) what licenses and certifications do YOU have that makes you qualified to give this advice?
6) why can't YOU be taken to court by governments and forced to share all the info you have about "clients" where taxes crimes are suspected to have been committed?
7) why can't ATM, wire transfers and other similar transactions be subpoenaed from banks where tax fraud/tax evasion is suspected?
8) how many felonies might be involved and what are the maximum criminal penalties (fines and prison time) for someone following your advice for a US citizen?

erehwon

Gibraltar

Just one real problem... "The Tax Exempt Company has been the backbone of the development and growth of both our finance centre and the online gambling industry, and thus of a very significant part of our economy. It continues to underpin thousands of jobs in Gibraltar and large amounts of Government revenue."

"In order to comply with EU law we must phase out the tax exempt company in 2010. However, in order to sustain our successful economic model we must retain a commitment to a very competitive corporate tax model."

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hypedough

WTF is up with all the off-shore posts lately?

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grumpy

you better go dellaware.
ofshore will ring every bell at the tax companie, holland, us and canada. Trus me, i know

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jonnax

If you are EU citizen the best and legal way to avoid taxes is to have a non-resident-status
you just have to look at what the non-resident requirements are, it may be limited to a certain number of days in your own country per year, exceed those days even by 1 day and you will have to pay tax. It may also be legal to have a so called "fiscal nomad" status if you do everything right

Thank god i am not a citizen of US-prison, as they have to submit a tax return were ever they are in the world, guess one day someone in the EU, is going to wake up to this one and try this on with all EU citizens also.

acehigh

Well once again, just hit us up for a free consult and see how we can help and assist you, in a fully legal fashion.

12clicks

yes, if you are a US citizen and get caught doing this as a means to avoid paying taxes, you will go to prison.

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Kudles

Sounds kinda shady

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DWB

There are plenty of advantages of being set up offshore. I'm not going to get into a 5 page debate over what those advantages are, but you can set up a very creative and legal way to greatly LOWER your taxes if you are already living abroad.

DWB

You can fuck around on the IRS quite a bit. Late pays, late files, no files or just fucking up your returns in general. None of this will land you on jail. It may result in fines, but you will not go to jail.

TAX EVASION will end your ass in jail if you're caught. We could get into a huge debate about how to evade taxes properly but as it was already posted here, the first rule of tax evasion is to not talk about tax evasion.

Barefootsies

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I guess that doesn't apply to Google?

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