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doridori · 12-29-2008, 03:58 PM

read my posts carefully, i did not purchase from broker....

TeenCat · 12-29-2008, 04:00 PM

so how are you doing man? any results?

LeRoy · 12-29-2008, 04:00 PM

Where are you directing this traffic? Is it to a paysite, Gallery or a blog ?

Give us a link and I'm sure you'll get some help on converting that incoming traffic.

genoveze · 12-29-2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

traffic that is for sale will not convert anything end of story

he is 80% right

doridori · 12-29-2008, 06:30 PM

hey guys, im still deciding where i should direct the traffic to. but im gonna start with a few blogs with promo content see how they do.....still working on it...

AdPatron · 12-29-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori

hey guys, im still deciding where i should direct the traffic to. but im gonna start with a few blogs with promo content see how they do.....still working on it...

Sending to a blog wont be as good as sending to a pay site directly.

doridori · 12-29-2008, 07:34 PM

so how about a FHG ? or a dating profile page.....

pixovore · 12-29-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

Sending to a blog wont be as good as sending to a pay site directly.

agreed
+1

Undisputed1 · 12-29-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AbsolutePorn

If the quality of the traffic is any good, do you think they would sell it?

a very good question...hmmm

AdPatron · 12-29-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by doridori

so how about a FHG ? or a dating profile page.....

All I can say is trial and error. Almost every pay site will have different results cause not all pay sites are the same. Some can make really good FHGs, but others suck at it.

My suggestion is that you send at least 1-10K to each type of landing page and see what converts better.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-29-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

Sending to a blog wont be as good as sending to a pay site directly.

Unfortunately I require all traffic sent from my site to goto actual content pages as I don't want my surfers mad that I'm sending them straight to pay sites, or to stuff that doesn't reflect what they are clicking on.

AdPatron · 12-29-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Unfortunately I require all traffic sent from my site to goto actual content pages as I don't want my surfers mad that I'm sending them straight to pay sites, or to stuff that doesn't reflect what they are clicking on.

That is good.

doridori · 12-29-2008, 09:00 PM

yea good idea retox josh.

96ukssob · 12-29-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing.

what could you do with chinese popup traffic?

traffic quality has gone down quiet a bit for me. I used to buy traffic from brokers and make a decent return from it. Within the past 3-6 months, Im lucky to break even

Cash · 12-30-2008, 02:00 AM

Why would anyone sell traffic for less, when they could convert it themselves for more?

the Shemp · 12-30-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cash

Why would anyone sell traffic for less, when they could convert it themselves for more?

payment in advance works miracles..steady cash flow, no need to worry about conversions, crooks, dishonest programs, shaving, the bro's etc etc, plus its a hell of a lot less work....

rowan · 12-30-2008, 02:09 AM

You paid $7/k for consoles? Wow. I'm going to start a new network of CJ1s right away!!! :D

AdPatron · 12-30-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cash

Why would anyone sell traffic for less, when they could convert it themselves for more?

Shemp is right, a hell of a lot less work. AND I do use my own traffic to promote my own sites.

bizarrejan · 12-30-2008, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing.

I agree, It seems to me that people are dissing here and giving him a bit of a hard time, , but its true that to be optimum with your traffic, you need to research ,

just my opinion,

polish_aristocrat · 12-30-2008, 06:31 AM

so how's the test going?

Ron2k1 · 12-30-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

so how's the test going?

He lost $68 so far, he is now figuring out where to spend his last $2 before the year ends.

AdPatron · 12-30-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron2k1

He lost $68 so far, he is now figuring out where to spend his last $2 before the year ends.

Taco Bell?!

skrinkladoo · 12-30-2008, 01:19 PM

I've converted. There is a method to make this work, and a reason to do it - but if your buying skimmed traffic from a tgp/mgp with all china (3rd world county traffic) and sending it anywhere - much less your paysite - your fucked. Also 70 for 7K is insane prices, way too high - you paid 3-4x's too much.

AdPatron · 12-30-2008, 01:24 PM

Everyone who buys from me gets to create their ads, nothing is skimmed or blind.

doridori · 12-30-2008, 06:45 PM

josh was nice to offer clicks instead of popups.

okay, sending 1k clicks to fling, and another 1k to ulust tomorrow.

Jim_Gunn · 12-30-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori

josh was nice to offer clicks instead of popups.

okay, sending 1k clicks to fling, and another 1k to ulust tomorrow.

Cool, be sure to report back.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-30-2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori

josh was nice to offer clicks instead of popups.

okay, sending 1k clicks to fling, and another 1k to ulust tomorrow.

After thinking about stuff, if he wants to convert it, obviously throwing the site in the surfers face isn't gonna do that, so I advised that clicks would be better then popups.

AdPatron · 12-30-2008, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori

josh was nice to offer clicks instead of popups.

okay, sending 1k clicks to fling, and another 1k to ulust tomorrow.

What website(s) is this traffic coming from?

Telling us the source is just, if not more, as important as telling us the destination.

mikesinner · 12-31-2008, 12:01 AM

Send it to a random live cam feed link that doesn't require a credit card to sign up for free chat or you probably have waisted your money. At least this way you can get %50 back.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-31-2008, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

What website(s) is this traffic coming from?

Telling us the source is just, if not more, as important as telling us the destination.

The traffic is coming from my babelog site that has almost 50% search engine traffic, not tons of traffic, but good quality traffic, and right now we're testing sending to a ulust page.

doridori · 12-31-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

Send it to a random live cam feed link that doesn't require a credit card to sign up for free chat or you probably have waisted your money. At least this way you can get %50 back.

hey like pussycash ? name me some.

Lilit · 12-31-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing.

Word!

I've seen a lot of experimenting with buying from traffic brokers, Search Engines and etc. and it's WRONG to state that only sending to tour directly works or only sending to cams works.

If you're buying skimmed traffic as a feeder for example, you can't expect profit right away until the increase of traffic boosts your SE rankings and you start receiving quality traffic from search engines. This way it serves as "investment". But still I have a lot of examples of people who work with narrow niches and they manage to convert skimmed traffic and make good profit from it.

I have examples of people who tried to convert low quality traffic through a fake TGP, but it didn't work at all at first. They kept trying and didn't say that the traffic is bad. And you know what the solution was? Slightly adjusting their thumbnails from hardcore to extreme and their ratios started to rock.

What I'm saying is:
1) Analyze sources of your purchased traffic, some traffic brokers publish the lists of the sites they work with. That will be a good help in targeting.
2) Play with your landing page. Try different marketing strategies.

Eventually it will pay off (quoting U-Bob here) "if you know what you're doing"

Good luck

V_RocKs · 12-31-2008, 03:37 AM

I would never popup something on one of my blogs...

SordidMedia · 12-31-2008, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doridori

so how about a FHG ?

You certainly would not send $7 CPM traffic to a gallery.

AdPatron · 12-31-2008, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

The traffic is coming from my babelog site that has almost 50% search engine traffic, not tons of traffic, but good quality traffic, and right now we're testing sending to a ulust page.

Am I talking to you or doridori?

The Judge · 12-31-2008, 11:03 PM

You can make a LOT and I mean %600-%700 ROI from broker traffic but you also gotta invest a lot and I'm talking thousands. No way you can get any meaningful results from playing with a few dollars worth of traffic, you gotta buy and buy a lot. The sales keep coming for a long time after traffic stopped, because of bookmarkers. The only thing you gotta be careful is that when the broker sees you keep buying big traffic he will copy your method and send the traffic himself.

lazycash · 01-01-2009, 01:08 AM

Give JoesTraffic a shot, I've always done well with it.

Paul Markham · 01-01-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

youve got to buy the right kind of traffic for your needs..
most people just buy the cheapest stuff they can find and hope that it makes sales...

Why should it not work with traffic. People are convinced it works with content and look at how well we are all doing now.

That was me being sarcastic. ;)

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-01-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Judge

You can make a LOT and I mean %600-%700 ROI from broker traffic but you also gotta invest a lot and I'm talking thousands. No way you can get any meaningful results from playing with a few dollars worth of traffic, you gotta buy and buy a lot. The sales keep coming for a long time after traffic stopped, because of bookmarkers. The only thing you gotta be careful is that when the broker sees you keep buying big traffic he will copy your method and send the traffic himself.

I've never understood why people always say "you can't tell on 1k of traffic" or something like that? Why, because the traffic you get is so crappy you really can't tell? because I've had multiple sales off less then 1k of traffic, so if 3+ sales off 1k, becomes 30+ sales off 10k, is that enough to gauge or does it have to be 500k in traffic for you to fully figure out the traffic is worth something?

If your traffic isn't complete shit, you shouldn't have to have hundreds of thousands of it to figure out if it's good or not.

DamageX · 01-01-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I've never understood why people always say "you can't tell on 1k of traffic" or something like that? Why, because the traffic you get is so crappy you really can't tell? because I've had multiple sales off less then 1k of traffic, so if 3+ sales off 1k, becomes 30+ sales off 10k, is that enough to gauge or does it have to be 500k in traffic for you to fully figure out the traffic is worth something?

If your traffic isn't complete shit, you shouldn't have to have hundreds of thousands of it to figure out if it's good or not.

Because, considering all the variables involved, a 1K batch of traffic (or even 10K for that matter) is a statistically insignificant sample.

AdPatron · 01-01-2009, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I've never understood why people always say "you can't tell on 1k of traffic" or something like that? Why, because the traffic you get is so crappy you really can't tell? because I've had multiple sales off less then 1k of traffic, so if 3+ sales off 1k, becomes 30+ sales off 10k, is that enough to gauge or does it have to be 500k in traffic for you to fully figure out the traffic is worth something?

If your traffic isn't complete shit, you shouldn't have to have hundreds of thousands of it to figure out if it's good or not.

If you paid $5 for 1K, then yes, you need to do a larger test.

DamageX · 01-01-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

If you paid $5 for 1K, then yes, you need to do a larger test.

Price has nothing to do with it.

Juilan · 01-01-2009, 01:28 PM

you were right in calling this an experiment

EscortBiz · 01-01-2009, 01:37 PM

reminder 99.9999% of traffic that is sold dont matter what you push how much you spend you will not even remotely break even (im talking about broker style traffic not SE and traffic that you handpick from say a site like AFF or niche TGP etc)

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-01-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Because, considering all the variables involved, a 1K batch of traffic (or even 10K for that matter) is a statistically insignificant sample.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

If you paid $5 for 1K, then yes, you need to do a larger test.

So, if he paid me $75 for 10k of traffic, and made 5 $35 sales which equals $175, more then double what he paid, it's not a good enough test to see if it's worth continuing with?

I fail to see how that's not a good enough test...

ravo · 01-01-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

So, if he paid me $75 for 10k of traffic, and made 5 $35 sales which equals $175, more then double what he paid, it's not a good enough test to see if it's worth continuing with?

I fail to see how that's not a good enough test...

The answer is "it depends".

I hate to go all mathemtically on you guys, but this is an excellent (albeit old) read on 'expected' conversion rates, and how much traffic to send for a real test;

http://www.buildinganempire.com/poisson2.html

donnylong · 01-01-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravo

The answer is "it depends".

I hate to go all mathemtically on you guys, but this is an excellent (albeit old) read on 'expected' conversion rates, and how much traffic to send for a real test;

http://www.buildinganempire.com/poisson2.html

WTF

sortie · 01-01-2009, 05:02 PM

Buying traffic is an art form.

I'm not good at that art, but I know damn well that somebody out there is and
they will continue to buy until the end of time.

People selling traffic aren't making their living off nubes, they are living off
regular buyers that have been buying for years.

I'm not willing to believe that people who buy traffic for years keep doing it
because they are stupid. On the contrary, they keep buying because they've
figured out what I couldn't.

alias · 01-01-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnylong

WTF

READ this:

Quote:

If you send 10,000 visitors to a sponsor and get 9 signups, then 68% of the time when you send 10,000 visitors, you expect to attain between 6 and 12 signups (6 +/- 3) and 95% of the time you expect to attain between 3 and 15 signups. The interesting point of all this is that the error depends only on the number of signups and not the number of visitors. Most people think, ok, I'll send a certain number of visitors to a sponsor and see how many signups I get. What you should be doing instead is saying ok, I'll send a certain number of signups to a sponsor to test them.

jmcb420 · 01-01-2009, 05:49 PM

this thread was a great read.

any results to speak of thus far?

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12-29-2008, 03:58 PM	#51
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	read my posts carefully, i did not purchase from broker....

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doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	hey guys, im still deciding where i should direct the traffic to. but im gonna start with a few blogs with promo content see how they do.....still working on it...

12-29-2008, 07:34 PM	#57
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	so how about a FHG ? or a dating profile page.....

12-29-2008, 09:00 PM	#63
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	yea good idea retox josh.

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12-30-2008, 01:24 PM	#74
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12-30-2008, 06:45 PM	#75
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	josh was nice to offer clicks instead of popups. okay, sending 1k clicks to fling, and another 1k to ulust tomorrow.

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12-31-2008, 11:03 PM	#86
The Judge Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,647	You can make a LOT and I mean %600-%700 ROI from broker traffic but you also gotta invest a lot and I'm talking thousands. No way you can get any meaningful results from playing with a few dollars worth of traffic, you gotta buy and buy a lot. The sales keep coming for a long time after traffic stopped, because of bookmarkers. The only thing you gotta be careful is that when the broker sees you keep buying big traffic he will copy your method and send the traffic himself. __________________ Last edited by The Judge; 12-31-2008 at 11:05 PM..

01-01-2009, 01:08 AM	#87
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01-01-2009, 05:49 PM	#100
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