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|  02-14-2009, 08:07 AM | #51 | |
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 Where in Canada does he live? His address? etc. 
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|  02-14-2009, 08:15 AM | #52 | 
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				 | More interesting materials... http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...p/t-14902.html Jim & I were just having a lovely conversation with The Butcher over on Sponsor Chat but...... The thread was deleted from his server  Jim & I are now also banned from his board. But....... We have copies  The only thing missing from this thread was my last reply, basically asking for a 3rd time what I asked in my 1st post. The 1st page might be a bit hard to read, but I think everyone will get the gist  Jim & I just wanted to get this out & online so that everyone could see - you can make your own judgments  
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|  02-14-2009, 09:17 AM | #53 | 
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				 | Never heard anything bad about him until...now | 
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|  02-14-2009, 09:36 AM | #54 | 
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				 | I put the butcher, joe brandi and jon atherton in the same class of people. Absolute pure shit bags. They both LIE their asses off for your money. I can't believe anyone would defend them with all of the scamming threads out there. I would NEVER trust or do business with anyone that defends those pieces of shit.    would you be friends with a pedo just becuase he hasn't molested your daughter yet? "Yes, I heard he molested the Smith's daughter, but, he's ok with me, he never touched my daughter, so he's still my buddy." some of you people are "raging" idiots and you just ousted yourselves in this thread. ~Ray | 
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|  02-14-2009, 12:34 PM | #55 | 
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				 | You have to hand it to The Butcher.  Never have I seen one guy get so much free publicity.  And he did all of it with just one copy of vbulletin.   At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if "The Butcher" is guilty of scamming or just creative marketing. It depends on your business ethics really. But I was banned from his board for asking him questions about the number of page views his threads were getting, against Alexa data and why so many people had joined his vbulletin board using names such as "yr093r302fe3". At the time Google's cache had captured his entire vbulletin memberlist which showed a massive number of inactive members, all with spurious names. At the time The Butcher claimed that his board had been 'hacked' and that the names had appeared by some malicious person with access to his admin. He also blamed his moderators. Anyone who knows vbulletin will know that even super moderators don't have access to the admin. But it doesn't matter because the QUESTION you have to ask yourself is, WHO would benefit from his board showing a massive membership? I also remember one of his early sponsors having a banner image in her sig file.... she compared this with her server stats and found that the number of views for the topic matched the number of views in her stats... but unfortunately (for The Butcher) 90% of the hits to that image were coming from the same IP. So basically in a nutshell he was refreshing threads over and over to give the impression that the board was busy. The main problem being that he was deceiving potential sponsors who would be fooled into thinking the board was very active, when in reality it was not. Anyone who called him out was labeled a hacker, a liar or just jealous of his status as the leading adult board. He spammed every email address, ICQ number, he created threads about companies using anonymous accounts and then contacted them to register on his board and answer the questions, which he had asked in the first place. Hell, there's even a thread on B&B mentioning that he had pre-registered accounts for people on his vbulletin system and then emailed the log-in details to people, just coz he had their email address. There's loads more.... but it's mainly about money and paying moderators and stuff. If you want more info ask Greenguy or Jim, as they probably still have his real address and phone number from when they exposed him on their old Radio Show. 
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|  02-14-2009, 03:22 PM | #56 | 
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				 | i was approached by him a few times when i started out.. he never ripped me off, but i never gave him opportunity others similar did profit from my initial naivety though.. | 
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|  02-14-2009, 08:20 PM | #57 | |
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|  02-14-2009, 08:33 PM | #58 | 
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				 | Bro why u not renew ur ad bro? sup bro? bro yea makes sense, all the fucking arabs in canada do this. I hate that shit is he in quebec? | 
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|  02-14-2009, 08:34 PM | #59 | 
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				 | That sucks... what a guy 
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|  02-15-2009, 04:30 AM | #60 | |
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				 | I forgot one thing...  if you go into the vbulletin admin... vbulletin options> cookies and http header options> session timeout> there's a number value which is measured in seconds... Quote: 
 It was a simple test, but logging into SC resulted in at least 24 hours of your account showing up in the "Who's Online" list. For this to occur an administrator MUST HAVE set this value to at least 86400 seconds. Supermoderators do not have access to this part of the vbulletin admin, so it really boils down to one person. A person who had everything to gain by his forum showing 2000+ people currently online 24 hours a day. In legal speak,I think they call it "Cui Bono".  
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|  02-15-2009, 09:27 AM | #61 | 
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				 | I found about juicyads in his forum, Im glad I bumped on him while I was selling some tube domains | 
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|  02-15-2009, 10:38 AM | #62 | 
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|  02-16-2009, 09:38 AM | #63 | |
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|  02-16-2009, 10:06 AM | #64 | 
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				 | I've only had positive experiences with him, any time money was involved there was never a single issue. I've done business with him in the past and would again. 
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|  02-16-2009, 12:38 PM | #65 | 
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				 | His name is vachagan altounian He is an Armenian living in Canada, his name isn't dave and he isnt English He is a well known scammer and not a very clever one. One thing vachagan altounian does is pay back the odd very small deal, thats why you get the odd small time webmaster saying he is OK but just search on google for his fake forum and all his scams. There are 100's and 100's of threads and posts about this filthy fuck But he does pay back the odd small fry webmaster so the odd person will say they were not scammed. But its always for a few cents and they are always just small time retards | 
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|  02-16-2009, 11:58 PM | #66 | |
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|  02-17-2009, 08:18 AM | #67 | 
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				 | Bump because this thread contains good information. 
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|  02-18-2009, 10:41 PM | #68 | 
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				 | Another bump. 
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|  02-19-2009, 07:58 AM | #69 | 
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				 | Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump... 
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|  02-19-2009, 01:21 PM | #70 | 
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				 | This is the last time I am bumping this. Fellow webmasters... beware... 
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|  02-20-2009, 09:29 AM | #71 | 
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				 | Now this is really the last bump... 
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|  02-20-2009, 09:32 AM | #72 | 
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				 | and when he runs out of people to scam.. you are next. | 
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|  05-30-2009, 03:30 PM | #73 | 
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				 | hello ........ i am the next.  the guy is scammer. 
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|  05-30-2009, 04:36 PM | #74 | 
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				 | yep stats are inaccurate and  in my opinion most likely intentionally inflated. that most certainly is a fraud , scam or whatever else you want to call it .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud if you care about roi on your advertising budget then pass over the **deals he is offering. | 
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|  05-30-2009, 04:48 PM | #75 | 
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|  05-30-2009, 05:19 PM | #76 | 
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				 | damn thats messed up 
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|  05-30-2009, 06:45 PM | #77 | 
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				 | I have never done buisness with him either but I will say that he has always seemed very nice the times when we have spoken with one another. | 
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|  05-30-2009, 07:24 PM | #78 | 
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				 | legendary butcher.. | 
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|  05-30-2009, 09:27 PM | #79 | 
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				 | what an info... bump for this thread 
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|  05-31-2009, 05:05 AM | #80 | 
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|  05-31-2009, 06:30 AM | #81 | 
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				 | He is now paying 5 centsa a post to try to stay alive I guess.   | 
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|  05-31-2009, 06:52 AM | #82 | 
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|  05-31-2009, 09:15 PM | #83 | 
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				 | He started that piece of shit board the same way -- and ALL of the posters were clueless surfers. Not a single webmaster amongst them. As I recall, he originally ended his pay-per-post policy by fucking a bunch of his members out of their earnings. TheButcher is a rotten cunt, but I feel no pity for the moronic programs that purchase ad space on his board. Buyer beware... | 
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|  05-31-2009, 11:06 PM | #84 | 
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|  06-01-2009, 12:06 PM | #85 | 
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				 | I wouldn't go as far as to insult people that have not had a bad experience with them just because they didn't do a background check on him.  The information provided in this thread is very helpful, though. | 
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|  06-01-2009, 01:24 PM | #86 | 
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				 | wouldn't listen to what people said here, i helped him with a $ 1200 epassporte-paypal transfer and he never gave it back to me. 3 months of excuses.... Too bad.... he has been cool to me for almost 2 years, i guess that soon or later your turn comes..... 
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|  06-01-2009, 01:33 PM | #87 | 
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				 | ouch.... 
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|  06-01-2009, 02:00 PM | #88 | 
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				 | Buuuuuuuump. 
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|  06-01-2009, 02:35 PM | #89 | 
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				 | Fuck, I am glad I never dealt with him.  A while back I had some domains for sale that he contacted me about on ICQ, and he wanted me to join his board, post them there for sale, and then he would pay me for them AFTER I transferred them to him.  After I stopped laughing I told him no and blocked him from ICQ... 
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|  06-01-2009, 02:54 PM | #90 | |
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  He's been ok to me too but recently I had a problem with a transfer which resulted in my decision to sever all ties. | |
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|  06-01-2009, 02:56 PM | #91 | 
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				 | I think he does not do things legit. Good luck bros. | 
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|  06-01-2009, 03:51 PM | #92 | 
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				 | nerver had any problems with him. but then again i have done very little with him. i do get asked a lot to stay active on his board. lol. 
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|  06-01-2009, 04:22 PM | #93 | 
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				 | wow the arsehole just hit me up with a string of abusive messages so I better add some details I loaned the guy $400 which was to be paid back the next day - 10 days later still nothing so I hit him up and he gives me the 'bro' this 'bro' that responses. I will have my girl send you $400 straight away bro! Sure enough that happened but it was a paypal echeck which was cancelled right before I was due to get the money. | 
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|  06-03-2009, 03:24 AM | #94 | 
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				 | I was hit up yesterday to check out his forum...  Opinions with work with him??  thnx | 
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|  06-03-2009, 03:59 AM | #95 | 
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				 | Stay far away from him, he's a fraud. 
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|  06-03-2009, 05:16 AM | #96 | 
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				 | Glad I never dealt with him. 
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|  06-03-2009, 06:00 AM | #97 | |
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|  06-03-2009, 07:09 AM | #98 | |
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 right DAve/Thebutcher/Ukroy? i know you read this posts. 
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|  06-03-2009, 07:35 AM | #99 | 
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|  06-03-2009, 07:36 AM | #100 | 
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				 | Fucking Corky. | 
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