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Some do.

I do not.

However, again unlike many on this board, I actually police, and track down, and DMCA people monthly. So I keep a handle on my content. I do not let the shit spread like wildfire for years, and then come cry in my beer on GFY.

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Barefootsies

Agreed.

Back in the day of the POP, with less stores, you could capitalize off ONLY C4S traffic.

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The main secret is how to generate traffic to your C4S store - the secret which nobody is really willing to share!

I've never tried promoting a clip store...

Personally i would rather submit movie/picture galleries promoting a paysite that has a 3 day trial for $2.95 compared to a clip store that sells a movie file for $2.95. For the sales ratios will be fairly similar due to the exact pricing - but in actuality there should be a slight advantage to the paysite for having a shitload more content. Another reason i would rather promote a paysite over a clip store - with the paysite 50%+ of the trials will actually convert to a full membership. With my sites, the average customer ends up spending over $70 lifetime. If i sent my traffic to a clip store - I would need some amazing sales ratios and repeat customers just to come close to my paysite earnings. I don't see it happening!

So whats the secret? Is it to make a special paysite tour with access to the paysite and access to the clip store? So when you submit a picture/movie gallery you are actually promoting both the paysite and the clip store at the same time? Let the customers choose what they want to pay for and hopefully generate more income that way? Basically use your paysite to promote your clip store and use your clip store to promote your paysite?

Barefootsies

It's not really a secret as I already mentioned one of the main ways in the O.P..

Fair enough.

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Jim_Gunn

Damn Barefootsies, you are giving away the proverbial store with this post! Very generous of you!

PS- I am a Barefootsies clip store disciple and I have made a net of $88.97 in sales so far today at 5:18 pm EST from my clip stores. And my stores are currently mostly on autopilot without a tremendous amount of self-generated traffic.

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Barefootsies

Nah.

I still have some tips and tricks I have only shared with you and Tony404. Plenty of goodies.

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Penny24Seven

I have pay sites and a clip store for each pay site. It is just extra money. Quite often it makes the pay site look like extra money LOL, I have done a lot better with clips.com in recent times though. Seems like everyone jumped on c4s bandwagon and clips.com just started up and did it based on feedback from the people listing the clips and they really made changes based on what we said. At the end of the day it is more money so why not do them all. If you don't have the time hire someone.

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I should really just keep my mouth shut however I am always really good at disappointing myself. You should really think about reversing that logic. New clips should hit the clip store before the paysite. The paysite is sort of the DVD store while the clip place is like the movie theater - so to speak. Many people (even current site members) will visit the clip store to pay to get the next updates before they are released on the paysite. People often have such habits, even if they know they can wait a couple weeks and get it at no additional cost beyond their paysite membership.

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AaronM

Why not?

tony286

A very good thread.

Barefootsies

Yeah, mixed reviews on clips.com. Some claim to do better with it, some say it's shit. Myself personally, I think it comes down to

1. Content or niche. More general, mainstream, claim to do better there.
2. How well you promote your store. Same as anything. You have to put in the work.

Especially on the secondary clip stores who do not buy traffic, and do the promotion and such to the extent that Neil does at C4S. Over the years, he has reinvested in C4S. Both in traffic, promotion, interface, and infrastructure.

The dude's always thinkin'..

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candyflip

I'm actually going to try a site with the PhantomFlix thing for CCBill.

Will use the other stores too, but figured why the hell not try and keep as much money for myself as I can.

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Yeah, Jimmy Gunn has told me about PhantomFlixxx some time ago. I have been promoting the domain for VOD already (similar to concept mentioned previously in thread), right now I just have it going to a secondary, re-run, clip store (stats previewed 1st page).

Once VOD is up and rolling. I will switch the domain over to new site. Which will already have traffic and back links in place. I wanna say 4 months or more of working it 'til now.

Jim, Fungus, and others are doing well with Phantom. I just need to make some time to get around to it. I am all about more money for me as well.

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natas

great post barefootsies

JimmiDean

I will keep it short.
Great read thank you.

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Barefootsies

I'll give you a straight honest answer as to why, for me, I do not deal in DRM.

1. Laziness.
2. I actually spend a few hours a month tracking down content, DMCA, etc.
3. Reading the general feedback from other programs, and member sites on DRM.

Not a single one of those is a legitimate or good excuse in any way, shape, or form. However, that is t he honest answer to your question.

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emmanuelle

Getting the POP does not have to rely on the front page. We find that being at the top of a category is much more effective for us. For this reason, we split our clips among several different stores, giving each a chance to hit the top of multiple categories in regular rotation, as well as multiple branding opportunities for our paysites.

I disagree about clips hitting the stores before paysites though. We prefer to pamper our members, and let them enjoy the clips before they're offered to non-members. It's a benefit of membership, and encourages retention while making the member feel valued.

Reading this thread, I'm wondering about those people talking about posting licensed content in clip stores. I'm not certain that's permitted in most content licenses is it?

Store # 153 (really old school ;-)

Barefootsies

Depends on your outlook. I do, or I should say, almost always have done what ASM mentioned. Although I have tried a number of different things, and ways, over the years on the various clip stores I have. I could write long and hard on that very topic. Trends, and cost benefit. However, this thread is providing enough tips.

I can't speak to ALL other content licenses. I allow clip store use, and restrict tube site and resale, including DVD and some VOD. This may vary from each provider. But anyone buying content should be able to read over the license before purchase anyway.

Oh yeah tootsie! Dat's real old skool.

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Barefootsies

Thanks BRO.

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Thanks for the 'hot tip'.

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1: OK, see # 2.

2: Seems that protecting your content would be easier and a better way to spend more lazy time instead of tracking shit down. ;)

3: Who cares about member sites or programs? We are talking about a clips store, not a monthly membership.


Anyway, was curious if you had a specific business related reason. Thanks for the answer....In fact, thanks for the thread itself.

Barefootsies

More than welcome.

As for the reasons. Yep. Not a single good one to be had. Laziness, apathy, supposed feedback. Not one of them a GOOD reason.

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AnniKN

Thanks for the thread, mister

From a previous thread by you I was inspired to pursue my microniche so I really appreciate the encouragement and disinterested help you give

Very silly question but I couldn't find examples or a direct answer anywhere or maybe i wasn't looking at the right place. Is one allowed to sell the clips in a zip? like packaged with the stills/photos or only video formats are allowed? Thanks again!

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Barefootsies

Glad to have helped you (and some others).

Clips do not need to be zipped.
I think pictures DO have to be zipped.

Hope that helps, and I am waiting on your toe and sole pic.

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I do not forget, and I insist they're unhawt - if I wasn't it'd be so much easier to make money down here, lol, true one woman operation instead of having to find models, lol.

I lent my camera to a friend for the weekend, will have it back tomorrow

And thanks for the answer as well

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Cool thread Barefootsies Most people with clip stores produce content themselves or is there any game in buying content and opening clip stores?

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Yeah, a lot of the clip stores are from mom and pops, and content producers themselves.

However, as I showed in my example.... if you buy content at a decent price. You can make your money back and then some in short order. Keep in mind on those screen shots in my example.... Those are not even EXCLUSIVE, first time clips!

I have been doing a little experiment with my own content on those stores. Working on different methods, and as you can see. They are making the money back and then some.

So I will use my example, and content, for simplicity's sake.

You buy 50 tickling clips for $3000 or 50 foot fetish clips for $2500. You do a couple of updates a week on not only clips4sale, but other stores. Do your marketing. Put in your work. You will make your money back. Launch a pay site eventually, make more money. Rinse, wash, repeat until you tweak your margins enough to go shoot your own content, or whatever the next step in your game plan is. Tha

The key, in this formula, would be get enough content at a good price, and capitalize. Make sure your license agreement allows for clip stores. Beyond that, you can now more clearly see how something like this...

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15493576&postcount=2
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=887448

..is more easily attainable, and how the guarantee shakes out via examples and numbers.

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Oki, thanks for sharing your insight.

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The 60/40 cut. Is that on gross, if an end user buys your clip for 10$, do you get $6 or do they take out the CC % before doing the split ?

Also can you run your own domain name or does it have to be clips4sale.com domain ?

Jay

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The 60/40 split is gross on all the sites of this type i know. You can of course redirect your domain to the store, but only on http redirect i guess. So the user will always end up at clips4sale.com/store/xxxxx - but that has positive aspects too. Many users know the big clip selling sites (exspecially in the fetish niches), so they trust them and have no fear to be fucked by crosssales, cc fraud or whatever.

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Barefootsies is giving one concrete example in this thread of using his licensed clips and selling on C4S since it is the biggest , but any person can sell their own clips or licensed clips on ClipsForSale.com, Clips.com, and/or their own domains with their own VOD/clip store and billing solutions. I do all of the above. C4S in particular has significant internal traffic and takes only 40% of the gross, no cc fees. The other stores and solutions will vary.

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Lots of good information in this thread... hint hint, wink wink..say no more, say no more..

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You're welcome bud.

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Jimmy Gunn has buttoned up the answer for you on both questions.

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DWB

Good to see a real business thread here that can actually help people make money should they be inclined to put in the work.

danclips

Great thread with lots of really valuable information.

I see no problem with a successful clips provider sharing some of this information. I actually see it as a benefit to the community. When more producers, providers, and webmasters begin to send some of their traffic to clips stores and site, whether it is to promote their own content, or to push traffic through an affiliate program (plug), it raises awareness of clips sites in general, which is still a fairly young concept. This is better for anyone that is getting into clips sales.

We see more and more membership sites losing members to vod and download sites, why not stay in front of the curve?

Barefootsies makes a hugely important point that I need to remind providers of all the time. We get traffic for the site, but that is mostly directed towards the index page. If you aren't updating pretty much constantly, you can only count on so much of this traffic finding it's way to your stores. This is why we offer an affiliate program. To encourage providers to send traffic to the site.

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I'll ditto this comment, but with a different focus on the reason store owners should update often - clip buyers tend to be REPEAT buyers...once they buy a clip from a store they like, they come back over and over and over for more. When they see that you update regularly, they will check back often, giving you more chances at another sale. If they see you update once a week, they will check back less frequently, giving you less chances at another sale and possibly having them forgetting about you or finding someone else they like that updates more often. The difference in success level between a frequently updated store and one that doesn't update often is HUGE...

If anyone needs any help or has questions on selling their exclusive content by the clip, please feel free to icq me.

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Barefootsies

With good content. You can make your 'membership' money and MORE in a single sale with good niche content.


Exhibit A

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Looking forward to them.

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HI Barefootsies,

thats a nice thread. There is money in C4S, maybe not as easy as it was before, but its a perfect match with a paysite. Lots of times I make bigger single sales on C4S than on my site.... dont understand it, but it is like this. I had single sales >160 U$, but those are rare. Anyhow, the trick is to drive traffic to your store as good old times on staying half a day on the front page with a single update are long gone....

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AnniKN

Again stoopid question: I tried making a store but it tells me I can only accept payments through Gizmo card, why is this? is it because I'm not an US company/individual?

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whoops seems they removed that notice (I had already uploaded stuff, so I guess was some sort of approval thing...) also, footsies: I'm not going to post the pictures here so when you're online, ICQ me ... the shame >_<

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Barefootsies

Once you have uploaded your clips, and start posting some. 'Sometimes' there is a delay in your store billing going live. I dunno why, and very annoying. Has been that way for years. I just email them and get it rolling as soon as live. E-mail [email protected] and tell them you are live.

They will turn on your store and processing.

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Awesomeness thanks very much!

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True dat. Things have changed a bit over time from the good old days of the POP. But I have always looked at that as bonus traffic.

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