NY Times Op-Ed Piece calls out Splum and his ilk

[Snake Doctor]

err, sort of
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/op...=2&ref=opinion

Barack Obama has only been president for six weeks, but there is a surprising amount of ire, anger, even outrage that he hasn?t yet solved the problems of the U.S. economy, that he hasn?t saved us from the increasingly tragic devastation wrought by the clownish ideas of right-wing conservatives and the many long years of radical Republican misrule.....

This intense, impatient, often self-righteous, frequently wrongheaded and at times willfully destructive criticism has come in waves.....

Freaking out over earmarks is like watching a neighborhood that is being consumed by flames and complaining that there is crabgrass on some of the lawns.....

In the midst of the craziness, conservatives are busy trying to blame this epic economic catastrophe ? a conflagration of their own making ? on the new president. Forget Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush and George Herbert Hoover Bush and the Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth and Phil Gramm and Newt Gingrich and all the rest. The right-wingers would have you believe this is Obama?s downturn.

What I know is that the renegade clowns who ruined this economy, the Republican right in alliance with big business and a fair number of feckless Democrats ? all working in opposition to the interests of working families ? have no credible basis for waging war against serious efforts to get us out of their mess

Word.

[GatorB]

The funny thing is that we were in a recession when Reagan took office and remained in it for nearly 2 1/2 years. Yet Obama doens't solve everything is 6 weeks so he sucks. Reagan is somehow some economic genius. Last time un-employment was this high was in 1983 more than 2 years after Reagan took office. Yet Carter still got blamed. Funny how that shit works.

[maxxx69]

Uhhh, really now, who dident expect this kind of crap after seeing the hysteria during the election..

that said there have been plently of reasons for disapointment with obama already..

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Obama doens't solve everything is 6 weeks so he sucks.

He sucks because he is making it WORSE, there is not a single thing he has done that will help alleviate this crisis.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

He sucks because he is making it WORSE, there is not a single thing he has done that will help alleviate this crisis.

And you can prove this how? You realize any action takes 12-18 months before it is actually felt by the economy. That's basic high school economics. Oh wait you never finshed high school. Come back in July 2010 then spout off.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

And you can prove this how? You realize any action takes 12-18 months before it is actually felt by the economy. That's basic high school economics. Oh wait you never finshed high school. Come back in July 2010 then spout off.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1236...html#printMode

[StuartD]

The really dumb part is, a QUICK solution is a BANDAID solution. There is no 6 week solution to a 10 year problem.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1236...html#printMode

Sorry STPUIDITY is killing the DOW. people nee dot chill the fuck out and everyhting will be ok. Why does the DOW fall? because people panic and sell. If no one seels it doesn't fall. Pretty fucking simple. Stocks are supposed to be LONG term investments. If you're trying to make a quick buck you deserve to lose everything.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Splum

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1236...html#printMode

He chaired the Council of Economic Advisers under President George H.W. Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Boskin

While serving on the Council of Economic Advisors to President George H.W. Bush, he is quoted as saying "It does not matter if the U.S. makes computer chips or potato chips".

Got any unbiased articles?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by StuartD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Boskin

While serving on the Council of Economic Advisors to President George H.W. Bush, he is quoted as saying "It does not matter if the U.S. makes computer chips or potato chips".

Got any unbiased articles?

Is he the same guy who advised Bush to break his "no new taxes" pledge?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Got any unbiased articles?

This thread is about an op/ed piece and you are gonna rip me for using a similar op/ed piece?

[Splum]

How about a fellow Democrat?

[IllTestYourGirls]

This crisis is not Obamas fault. But every thing he has done since he was president has made it worse.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Splum

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1236...html#printMode

Do you have proof?. That article isn't proof...

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Do you have proof?. That article isn't proof...

President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/

Would you like some more kool-aid with your humble pie? Oh I see you already have some.

Note: This is just ONE aspect of how this bill will destroy the United States. The Obama administration has done NOTHING and NOTHING in the bill will help get credit markets moving. His "stimulus" bill that he sold on gloom and doom was nothing but a power grab for the Democrats, at OUR expense.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Splum

He sucks because he is making it WORSE, there is not a single thing he has done that will help alleviate this crisis.

That's what they said about Clinton's 1993 budget you fucking imbecile. The republicans screamed on the house floor about how millions of jobs would be lost and the deficit would actually get worse because the tax increase would shrink GDP.

Nobody can know with 100% certainty how the economy will react to whatever action the government does or doesn't take. All any of us have ahead of time are theories.

Yet you want to call your theories facts, and then blame Obama for some economic collapse that you think will happen in the future, and expect people to get hysterical about it now, and when asked for proof you point to the fact that the economy hasn't recovered yet after Obama has been in office for 6 whole weeks.

Seriously, how fucking stupid can you be?

[tony286]

I think the problem is the right is controlling the message since he got in. No matter if Im on fox or msnbc there is some right winger spouting bullshit and not much push back.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by tony404

I think the problem is the right is controlling the message since he got in. No matter if Im on fox or msnbc there is some right winger spouting bullshit and not much push back.

Well I guess he's just going to let them punch themselves out.

They don't really have the power to stop his agenda....but he's going to need some republican cooperation for the really big things like entitlement reform...which is why he has a muzzle on Rahm Emanuel....because that guy lives to rip republican heads off.

If you only went by cable news it would seem like the republicans were winning....but that's because cable news shows have republicans on twice as much as dems now.

But if you look at the polls, Obama is hella popular, the dems in congress are getting their highest marks ever, and the country supports the stimulus plan by a margin of almost 2 to 1.

If you only watch fox news and listen to Rush Limbaugh....then sure, you'd think Obama was failing miserably and the country as a whole was outraged by what he's trying to do.

That's not reality though.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Hella popular = less popular than Bush at the same time in his first term.

[mynameisjim]

We live in a weird time. Everyone is so one sided it really makes debate pointless.

A guy comes in for 30 days and everyone says he is ruining America.....Seriously? Stop and think for a second, does that even make sense?

You undermine your own intelligence when you attack a guy trying to fix a problem 10 years in the making after only 30 days.

Maybe Obama will fuck everything up, but you need to give him at least 2 years or half of his allotted time in office to start seeing results.

Look, here is the bottom line. The Republicans had the White House, the Congress, and the Senate, and the Supreme court for over a decade. You have to give this guy (and the Democrats) at least 18 months before you can make these wild claims of him ruining America and being a socialist radical.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

A guy comes in for 30 days and everyone says he is ruining America.....Seriously? Stop and think for a second, does that even make sense?

Yes when he passes the largest socialist bill in history in a time of financial crisis while not even addressing the root of the problem.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Bush first term barely gets elected = Same approval rating of someone who crushed his opponent = fail

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

But if you look at the polls, Obama is hella popular, the dems in congress are getting their highest marks ever, and the country supports the stimulus plan by a margin of almost 2 to 1.

Bush Approval Ratings over his 2 terms, Obama isnt that special buddy lol
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

Congressional approval ratings since 2008, lol if these are the highest ratings ever we are in real trouble.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/job...l-congress.php

Stop using "feelings" as "facts" buddy.

[Snake Doctor]

Splum you are beyond mother fucking stupid.

We get it, you don't like Obama....whoopdy fucking doo....you and the 35% of the country that still agree with Rush Limbaugh can sit there and whine all you want while the Democrats stick a big fat elephant sized socialist cock right up your unlubed capitalist ass.....and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it other than whine like the little faggot you are.

Take it, love it, enjoy it...and STFU.

Congratulations and welcome to my ignore list.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Splum you are beyond mother fucking stupid. We get it, you don't like Obama....whoopdy fucking doo....you and the 35% of the country that still agree with Rush Limbaugh can sit there and whine all you want while the Democrats stick a big fat elephant sized socialist cock right up your unlubed capitalist ass.....and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it other than whine like the little faggot you are. Take it, love it, enjoy it...and STFU. Congratulations and welcome to my ignore list.

Id say Im proud I intellectually destroyed your fragile psyche, but then I realized it wasnt very hard to accomplish. It strikes me odd that a pornography business person could be so anti-capitalist since you hate us so much. Oh the part about there is nothing we can do about it, we shall see about that, we shall see indeed.

[Snake Doctor]

It was humorous just now, scrolling down the page, and seeing how this thread brought out all of the trolls I'm ignoring.



Apparently when the rest of them saw the title they knew that they were Splum's "ilk"

[StickyGreen]

You don't get it at all if you think one man is going to stop this coming depression.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You don't get it at all if you think one man is going to stop this coming depression.

There is a difference between making an attempt to salvage the empire of the United States and actually encouraging its downfall. When he said he was running on a platform of change he was serious, he is going to change life as you know it in America completely. Many will embrace that change but just as many will not, and thus sow the seeds of war. Each one of us is going to have to choose a side eventually.

[Snake Doctor]

[dyna mo]

that article doesn't call out splum. it simply points a finger back at republicans.

if that article did call out splum and others like him, it would be titled

"attention seekers on adult message boards regurgitate biased news stories in a sad attempt to stir up shit."

[dig420]

Originally Posted by GatorB

The funny thing is that we were in a recession when Reagan took office and remained in it for nearly 2 1/2 years. Yet Obama doens't solve everything is 6 weeks so he sucks. Reagan is somehow some economic genius. Last time un-employment was this high was in 1983 more than 2 years after Reagan took office. Yet Carter still got blamed. Funny how that shit works.

Reagan didn't do shit, he took out a ton of short term high interest loans to prop up the economy during his term of office and effectively torpedoed Bush 1's presidency. Reagan wasn't particularly effective at ANYTHING, committed treason while in office with Iran-Contra, and wasn't popular at all at the end of his term. This whole Reagan-worshipping is the result of a PR campaign started by Grover Norquist and some others to rehab his reputation post-presidency, and since 'conservatives' believe anything they're told by their leaders, it has worked extremely well.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by tony404

I think the problem is the right is controlling the message since he got in. No matter if Im on fox or msnbc there is some right winger spouting bullshit and not much push back.

There never is. The whole Repub MO is to pander to a very VERY gullible base ie Splum and his ilk, and then to brazenly milk the public coffers by any and every possible means and leave the mess for a dem President to clean up. Repubs are little more than gangsters in politician's clothing. We need some fire-breathing, courageous dems to call a spade a spade and carry the fight for us. All the dems are so worried about offending the flyover rednecks that they're scared to tell any hard truths in hard words.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by dig420

We need some fire-breathing, courageous dems to call a spade a spade and carry the fight for us.

I am calling a spade a spade... Obama.

Originally Posted by Splum

There is a difference between making an attempt to salvage the empire of the United States and actually encouraging its downfall.

What have your personal contributions been, other than trolling an adult message board with hundreds of political threads that contain nothing more than republican propaganda?

No matter how many articles you post, or how many threads you start, nothing you are doing is going to help a damned thing. If you need to vent, get a shrink. If you're OK and done throwing tantrums, just take care of yourself and try to counteract the negatives that you see coming. It's a pretty simple concept. Being proactive beats being reactive any day.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Snake has Splum on ignore? Yet makes to threads about him. Someone besides Splum needs some help

[Splum]

Originally Posted by sherm

What have your personal contributions been, other than trolling an adult message board with hundreds of political threads that contain nothing more than republican propaganda?

Ahh the old deflect criticism to stifle free speech method. Excellent!

Listen I am going to say this to you once and once only... I am a voter of the United States of America I have the right to criticize any politician of my choosing anywhere and anytime. I happen to be in the adult business so I spend my time networking with many people here, the title of this sub-board is "Fucking Around & Program Discussion" - take special note of the "Fucking Around" part.

The fact that you said "republican propaganda" gave away the fact that you are indeed an Obama supporter and right then and there I knew your agenda. Because obviously ANY criticism of Obama is republican propaganda.

[webair]

Originally Posted by GatorB

The funny thing is that we were in a recession when Reagan took office and remained in it for nearly 2 1/2 years. Yet Obama doens't solve everything is 6 weeks so he sucks. Reagan is somehow some economic genius. Last time un-employment was this high was in 1983 more than 2 years after Reagan took office. Yet Carter still got blamed. Funny how that shit works.

exactly! lets visit these obama bash threads in a year or 2

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article doesn't call out splum. It simply points a finger back at republicans.

If that article did call out splum and others like him, it would be titled

"attention seekers on adult message boards regurgitate biased propaganda pieces in a sad attempt to stir up shit."

fyp.....

[BradM]

LOL splum is a pissed off 15 year old

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BradM

LOL splum is a pissed off 15 year old

Funny how you liberals engage others, first you cut them down, then you try to put together a coherent argument and when you realize how intellectually vacant your arguments really are you fall back to the cut downs again. Fascinating and yet pathetic.

[V_RocKs]

I hate crab grass... don't even get me started!

[$5 submissions]

Unless people start equating Obama with a continuously eroding economy and the economy continues to deteriorate for the next 4 years, there's a high chance Obama will will reelection in 2012. People voted for change in 2008 and if he's able to deliver on these changes (against substantial opposition to be sure), then he would have put CHANGE and the ECONOMY on separate tracks. If that's the case, he'd be reelected--even with a crappy economy. Remember, FDR was reelected even with the economy in the tank.

Now if Obama became SYNONYMOUS with the bad economy and he flounders on promised changes, then he'd be a Jimmy Carter rethread.

[notoldschool]

This thread title rocks.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Unless people start equating Obama with a continuously eroding economy and the economy continues to deteriorate for the next 4 years, there's a high chance Obama will will reelection in 2012. People voted for change in 2008 and if he's able to deliver on these changes (against substantial opposition to be sure), then he would have put CHANGE and the ECONOMY on separate tracks. If that's the case, he'd be reelected--even with a crappy economy. Remember, FDR was reelected even with the economy in the tank.

Now if Obama became SYNONYMOUS with the bad economy and he flounders on promised changes, then he'd be a Jimmy Carter rethread.

I beg to disagree and I will tell you why. Obama got elected because he softened his message mid-campaign and tried to become more mainstream and move to the middle-left. It worked obviously, of course he had a very weal opponent in my humble opinion. Obama is a wonderful politician and an incredible speaker, very likable those obviously also helped him. The people in the middle didnt vote him in to "push a vast social agenda" they voted him in because they believed he would be "positive" to the country and perhaps unite Washington politicians. Congressional approval ratings were horrendous during the Bush and Clinton years and people are tired of Congress.

Obama has LOST the people in the middle-right that you can take to the bank. Obama has LOST the older white generation as well now, they see the effect the economy has taken on their retirement and it is only getting worse. Obama has done nothing to help those people, his stimulus doesnt even address that issue at all.

The economy WILL get worse, and it is accelerating at a pace even the Obama administration did not expect. Obama had the good faith of many in the middle-right(which whether you like it or not is the majority in America) but he is losing it very quickly.

When the Congressional budget office says that the Obama stimulus bill will hurt the economy you know we got serious problems. Unfortunately I think Obama had many fooled that he was an agent of positivity but he has ushered in an era of complete pessimism.

We shall see in 2012, if we make it that far.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

I beg to disagree and I will tell you why. Obama got elected because he softened his message mid-campaign and tried to become more mainstream and move to the middle-left. It worked obviously, of course he had a very weal opponent in my humble opinion. Obama is a wonderful politician and an incredible speaker, very likable those obviously also helped him. The people in the middle didnt vote him in to "push a vast social agenda" they voted him in because they believed he would be "positive" to the country and perhaps unite Washington politicians. Congressional approval ratings were horrendous during the Bush and Clinton years and people are tired of Congress.

Obama has LOST the people in the middle-right that you can take to the bank. Obama has LOST the older white generation as well now, they see the effect the economy has taken on their retirement and it is only getting worse. Obama has done nothing to help those people, his stimulus doesnt even address that issue at all.

The economy WILL get worse, and it is accelerating at a pace even the Obama administration did not expect. Obama had the good faith of many in the middle-right(which whether you like it or not is the majority in America) but he is losing it very quickly.

When the Congressional budget office says that the Obama stimulus bill will hurt the economy you know we got serious problems. Unfortunately I think Obama had many fooled that he was an agent of positivity but he has ushered in an era of complete pessimism.

We shall see in 2012, if we make it that far.

While I agree that he had a weak opponent I feel like people voted for Obama because they felt the country was going in the wrong direction and they thought, of the choices available, he was the better choice to fix that problem. You can't peg any one group as voting for a guy for any one reason. People vote for a million different reasons. I know people who didn't vote for him simply because he is pro-choice. I know others who still think he is a muslim. I know people who voted for him just because he is black and others who voted for him because the thought he had some good ideas and still others voted for him because they thought he would bring in universal health care and get us out of Iraq.

Has he lost some people? Sure. Has he lost all of the people on the middle right and all of the older white people? I doubt it. On the day he was sworn into office he had a 69% approval rating. Today he has a 62%. That is a decline, but not the mass exodus you like to paint. And I would love to see where you get the fact that most of Americans are middle-right. That is standard issue republican talking points. They want you to believe that just like the democrats want you to believe that most people are middle left.

You are 100% certain his economic plan will fail. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Sure there are a lot of economist who say it won't help. There are also a bunch of them who say it will. In the end we have to wait and see. If it were so easy and you, a simple GFY poster, has all the answers, then why hasn't some of the economist (Nobel winning economist at that) that are advising Obama figured that out? Could it be that maybe he is about 6-7 weeks into his presidency and he still has more ideas coming down the pipe? No that couldn't be it. Nobody does that. Nobody puts out one idea, gets it through then works on a second idea or a third to back up the first. Again, maybe it will fail. Maybe we will plunge into the depths of a recession and implode on ourselves. But maybe it will work.

His reelection really depends on him. If, 3 years from now, the economy is doing better he will be credited for that regardless of how much of a role he played in it. If, 3 years from now, things are doing okay in Iraq and and Afghanistan he will be credited with that as well. If those two things are happening chances are he will have a pretty good approval rating. If that is the case it won't matter who the republicans run they will lose. It is hard to unseat an incumbent president. It is nearly impossible to unseat a popular president who appears to be doing a good job.

I don't agree with everything he is doing. I know he is not perfect. But he has been in office 6-7 weeks now. You can't project out what will happen in the next 4 years based on what he has done over the last 6-7 weeks.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Splum

Funny how you liberals engage others, first you cut them down, then you try to put together a coherent argument and when you realize how intellectually vacant your arguments really are you fall back to the cut downs again. Fascinating and yet pathetic.

yeah us liberals are so terrified of open debate lol.. that's why Rush Limbaugh won't EVER debate anyone. That's why just about all conservative websites have no comment space.

The reason why we say you spout Republican propaganda is because just about all repug 'talking points' are just that - sheer propaganda shot down soooo easily by anyone with knowledge of the subject at hand.

It's mystifying to me how you could have been alive and in this country over the last eight years, watching our civil liberties disappear and our economy go to shit and still talk this utter bullshit with such conviction.

Originally Posted by Splum

Ahh the old deflect criticism to stifle free speech method. Excellent!

Listen I am going to say this to you once and once only... I am a voter of the United States of America I have the right to criticize any politician of my choosing anywhere and anytime. I happen to be in the adult business so I spend my time networking with many people here, the title of this sub-board is "Fucking Around & Program Discussion" - take special note of the "Fucking Around" part.

The fact that you said "republican propaganda" gave away the fact that you are indeed an Obama supporter and right then and there I knew your agenda. Because obviously ANY criticism of Obama is republican propaganda.

Actually, I'm a registered Independent. I wouldn't call myself a supporter, but I'd prefer Obama to Dubya or Mccain. In my eyes, it was the lesser of the 2 evils. I personally think our options over the last 8 years have sucked and taking jabs at Obama doesn't offend me or upset me either way.

I do think that seeing a business board cluttered with your 30 threads a day is a bit excessive. 1 or 2 is fine, but when I have to go to page 3 to find something related to the adult industry because page 1 and 2 is all Obama crap, something is wrong. You can say that the "Fucking Around" section is a free-for-all, but let's face it: It's the only part of GFY that has business threads.

[Snake Doctor]

I have Splum on ignore, but someone quoted him and this post showed up. I think this part is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Splum

"Obama got elected because he softened his message mid-campaign and tried to become more mainstream and move to the middle-left. It worked obviously"

Softened his message and became more mainstream?

That's why like a month before the election he told Joe the plumber he wanted to "spread the wealth around"?
You right wingers went fucking nuts talking about "redistribution of wealth and socialism".

If he was moving to the center or even center-left or mainstream or whatever....he would have backpedaled, come up with a "oh I meant something else by that" line...like McCain did with "The fundamentals of the economy are strong" and then later "By fundamentals, I meant American workers, they're strong"

Anwyays, he never took it back, never qualified it, let it stand as it was.

He said he was running to reverse the policies of the past 8 (or 28) years that said if you cut taxes for the wealthy, and deregulate the economy so businesses can do whatever they want, that everyone will prosper.

Now that he's doing exactly that, you idiots are acting surprised and trying to pretend he never said he was going to do these things, and that the voters were somehow duped.

Gimme a fucking break.

Originally Posted by Splum

Ahh the old deflect criticism to stifle free speech method. Excellent!

Listen I am going to say this to you once and once only... I am a voter of the United States of America I have the right to criticize any politician of my choosing anywhere and anytime. I happen to be in the adult business so I spend my time networking with many people here, the title of this sub-board is "Fucking Around & Program Discussion" - take special note of the "Fucking Around" part.

The fact that you said "republican propaganda" gave away the fact that you are indeed an Obama supporter and right then and there I knew your agenda. Because obviously ANY criticism of Obama is republican propaganda.

By the way... I do not support much of what is in the bailout, I do not support socialized health care, and I'm not a big fan of excessive lower class bailouts. If you think I have an agenda, you sir are quite mistaken.

As I keep saying...I'm just tired of finger pointing. The best thing to do is just handle your business and stop getting mad about things that are out of our hands.

[Marcus Aurelius]

It's mostly just Obama name droppers looking for attention. Most have made the ignore list...