So if/when marijuana gets legalized...

[MildGuy]

what do they say to all the locked up non-violent offenders in prison?

Just instantly release them?

What does they government say to them?

"LOL, sorry guys. You got trolled hard."

[candyflip]

Are there really that many people locked away in the prison system on pot related charges?

I'd be interested in seeing what that number is.

[Horny Dude]

Didn't we here in Ca. vote to legalize marijuana for medical purposes? Yet I still hear how he cops are busting medical marijuana places all over Ca. Guess our votes don't count.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Horny Dude

Didn't we here in Ca. vote to legalize marijuana for medical purposes? Yet I still hear how he cops are busting medical marijuana places all over Ca. Guess our votes don't count.

The State has legalized it for that purpose, the Federal gov't hasn't. The feds are the ones doing the raids. But, under the new administration this has been put to an end.

[»Rob Content«]

If weed became legal it would create a huge mess for pot smokers, a very large mess. Anyone who wants pot legalized is obviously not a pot smoker, or has smoked soo much of it that they are a fucking melt.

You want it to be decriminalized and not made legal. Huge difference

[DrChango]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Are there really that many people locked away in the prison system on pot related charges?

I'd be interested in seeing what that number is.

Don't have the stats handy, but I remember reading somewhere it was around a third of the prison population (which would be hundreds of thousands) were in prison for non-violent drug-related charges. Didn't say how many of those were pot-smokers, but I would guess the majority of them.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by DrChango

Don't have the stats handy, but I remember reading somewhere it was around a third of the prison population (which would be hundreds of thousands) were in prison for non-violent drug-related charges. Didn't say how many of those were pot-smokers, but I would guess the majority of them.

Quite a few? Possible. Majority? I don't know.

I don't know anyone who's even spent an hour in jail on pot charges.

[FrozenJag]

Wont ever happen. Just seen a thing on cnn the other day where they asked obama straight up and he said no. Was not an option as far as he was concerned.

[Oracle Porn]

there's this song...it's called DREAMS

[Scott McD]

Why do people depend on that shit anyway? I know some fucking idiots who have smoked that much they don't even know what day it is. If it gets legalized, then we will have more walking around like that. No thanks...

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Are there really that many people locked away in the prison system on pot related charges?

I'd be interested in seeing what that number is.

I believe its 70 percent of our prison inmates in us are non-violent and 70 percent of those are for marijuana specifically.

legalization will NEVER happen.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Why do people depend on that shit anyway? I know some fucking idiots who have smoked that much they don't even know what day it is. If it gets legalized, then we will have more walking around like that. No thanks...

LOL...go drink a beer and start a fight. I can do without sloppy disgusting alchohol drinking retards. I also cant stand pill poppers...You are so off base its not worth rebutting your ignorance.

[brassmonkey]

they will never make it legal but u can just smoke it anyway

[MildGuy]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

If weed became legal it would create a huge mess for pot smokers, a very large mess. Anyone who wants pot legalized is obviously not a pot smoker, or has smoked soo much of it that they are a fucking melt.

You want it to be decriminalized and not made legal. Huge difference

Would prisoners still be released i it was decriminalized?

[Oracle Porn]

hey what day is it today btw?

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I believe its 70 percent of our prison inmates in us are non-violent and 70 percent of those are for marijuana specifically.

legalization will NEVER happen.

That's crazy. I know that's not the case here in NY. I got stopped a few times as a kid with some pot in my pocket and the cops always just took it and probably smoked it when they got home.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

they will never make it legal but u can just smoke it anyway

Exactly. I'm on my way out to pick up this week's supply.

[tical]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

If weed became legal it would create a huge mess for pot smokers, a very large mess. Anyone who wants pot legalized is obviously not a pot smoker, or has smoked soo much of it that they are a fucking melt.

You want it to be decriminalized and not made legal. Huge difference

How would it create a huge mess for pot smokers if it was legalized?

[michael.kickass]

If it gets legal people imprisoned for pot related charges will have to do their time anyway since they were imprisoned before it was made legal.

[Tom_PM]

Thats an interesting point. If I was in jail for 5 years on pot possession, then it's made legal, I should be released IMHO. However, I dont think I should be entitled to compensation like I would if I was accused of rape but was cleared by modern DNA techniques.

But I doubt that "simple possession" is why most are in there.. they probably were also brought up on "intent to distribute" or other charges like that. Growing, selling etc. would not be made "legal", so no luck for probably 90% of them.

[Bored]

I dont think its relevant to be honest. Of course if there are a lot of people in jail for simple possession, I would imagine they would get released.

[MildGuy]

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

If it gets legal people imprisoned for pot related charges will have to do their time anyway since they were imprisoned before it was made legal.

That's how I believe it will be as well.

It just doesn't seem right.

It doesn't seem right to say "okay, if you had the substance between before we all agreed it was legal, then you must spend years of your life behind bars + felony conviction so good luck with getting a job. But if you had the substance after we all agreed to legalize it, then you're fine. But even though it's okay now, you guys still have to serve your time when we didn't feel like legalizing it."

I say legalizing, but substitute with whatever you want, decriminalize or whatever.

Mexican president begging Obama to legalize it.

[pornguy]

One way or another this is going to create a mess.

[LAJ]

Yeah... all the non-violet users SHOULD be released.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Why do people depend on that shit anyway? I know some fucking idiots who have smoked that much they don't even know what day it is. If it gets legalized, then we will have more walking around like that. No thanks...

No different the Alcoholics.

Originally Posted by MildGuy

what do they say to all the locked up non-violent offenders in prison?

Just instantly release them?

What does they government say to them?

"LOL, sorry guys. You got trolled hard."

No, if a law changes it doesn't become retroactive. If you got caught when it was still illegal, THAT is the time you are going to do. Not a hard concept to understand.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by MildGuy

It just doesn't seem right.

Many things in this world aren't right. Case in point...

In you kill an enemy wearing your countries colors it is patriotic.

You kill an enemy without government approval it is manslaughter or murder.

Life could not function without hypocrisy.

[bufferover]

I hope that i will see that day when the weed will be legal here

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by LAJ

Yeah... all the non-violet users SHOULD be released.

Fully agree with this.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by tical

How would it create a huge mess for pot smokers if it was legalized?

There is a plethora of things that would create a mess. How about how much the government would tax marijuana. Remember now if it was legalized you have have to go to the store to buy it, and the store would have hours. And the better the weed the higher the price. So what you pay now for say an ounce of good weed, would be a lot more expensive. Because it would become a mainstream multi million dollar operation. Also remember it would still be illegal to grow, and there would be rules and licensing to growing it, and well all the small time guys would be put out of business because the tobacco companies would open large growing operations.

You know about DUI... There would be a DUH driving while high, yes it would 100% happen. So no more smoking a J and then driving home, pulled over and fucked.

It would be a true nightmare for pot smokers are the gov would mandate everything, tax the shit out of it. Just like smokes you would have a state and federal tax, and since they would want to get as much out of it as possible it would be taxed to all hell.

And then it would also become hip and trendy, so you'd have the cheap weed and the designer weed. It would be the same as alcohol, the better the wine the more you pay. So when it would come to getting some nice BC budz that are nice and sticky, be ready to pay 3 times what you pay now, can't afford it all the time, get ready for a lot more brown and dry mexican stuff.

The prices would also become a lot more expensive when you take into consideration of the shipping of the marijuana from where it is grown to where it will be distrusted. So if it's grown in say California, it will need to be shipped around the country and real companies would have to be used. This will need to take into cost of operating a business. When I send it out I will have to use a proper service, pay someone to load and unload it, package it, the shipment itself. Getting weed from somewhere not in the USA you have to pay the importing tax as well.

No more giving someone a free ounce or two and having them drive a trunkload of it somewhere.

I can go on and on for hours, but these are just a few things.

[Ace_luffy]

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Remember now if it was legalized you have have to go to the store to buy it, and the store would have hours. And the better the weed the higher the price. So what you pay now for say an ounce of good weed, would be a lot more expensive. Because it would become a mainstream multi million dollar operation.

There are beautiful (and not so) dispenseries all around California where you can walk in (with your card / rec) and peruse a wide variety of high-quality, medicinal offerings ? row upon row of jars with sample buds in them. Sure, the price can be high (no pun intended), with 1/8s up to $55 ? but this is typically a lot better quality than the $200/oz you might get from a friend or out on the street...

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Also remember it would still be illegal to grow, and there would be rules and licensing to growing it, and well all the small time guys would be put out of business because the tobacco companies would open large growing operations.

While certain counties in CA may have their own restrictions, 6 flowering plants are allowed state-wide I'm told. There are cooperatives and the like that extend the number, but for the individual patient / grower, half-a-dozen budding plants are likely enough...

Boutiques will thrive, even in a land of Wal-marts...

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Stephen

There are beautiful (and not so) dispenseries all around California where you can walk in (with your card / rec) and peruse a wide variety of high-quality, medicinal offerings ? row upon row of jars with sample buds in them. Sure, the price can be high (no pun intended), with 1/8s up to $55 ? but this is typically a lot better quality than the $200/oz you might get from a friend or out on the street...



While certain counties in CA may have their own restrictions, 6 flowering plants are allowed state-wide I'm told. There are cooperatives and the like that extend the number, but for the individual patient / grower, half-a-dozen budding plants are likely enough...

Boutiques will thrive, even in a land of Wal-marts...

What does any of this have to do with pot being fully legalized?

[D-Money]

Just seems strange that it's legal to drink (over 21) and doctors can decide whether or not you can have xanax and other hard drugs. But if you take a bong hit or smoke a joint, that's totally illegal (without a medicinal card in a few states).

The answer seems simple. Make a chart of all drugs and categorize the bad verses the good affects. You'll find weed is basically like booze, but not as bad. Then make a chart for how much money each drug brings into the US economy (include booze). Legalize it, make it 21 and over or on a doctors prescription. Or we can all lose our homes and go broke while we all debate it.

Peter Tosh was a wise man...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

What does any of this have to do with pot being fully legalized?

For many Californians, it is legal (at least at the state level)

You may not see it "legalized" on a national level the way some folks want, but the fact of the matter is that thousands of people can walk into a commercial retail outlet today and legally walk out with all the buds, edibles, extracts, and more that they want...

[tical]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

There is a plethora of things that would create a mess. How about how much the government would tax marijuana. Remember now if it was legalized you have have to go to the store to buy it, and the store would have hours. And the better the weed the higher the price. So what you pay now for say an ounce of good weed, would be a lot more expensive. Because it would become a mainstream multi million dollar operation. Also remember it would still be illegal to grow, and there would be rules and licensing to growing it, and well all the small time guys would be put out of business because the tobacco companies would open large growing operations.

You know about DUI... There would be a DUH driving while high, yes it would 100% happen. So no more smoking a J and then driving home, pulled over and fucked.

It would be a true nightmare for pot smokers are the gov would mandate everything, tax the shit out of it. Just like smokes you would have a state and federal tax, and since they would want to get as much out of it as possible it would be taxed to all hell.

And then it would also become hip and trendy, so you'd have the cheap weed and the designer weed. It would be the same as alcohol, the better the wine the more you pay. So when it would come to getting some nice BC budz that are nice and sticky, be ready to pay 3 times what you pay now, can't afford it all the time, get ready for a lot more brown and dry mexican stuff.

The prices would also become a lot more expensive when you take into consideration of the shipping of the marijuana from where it is grown to where it will be distrusted. So if it's grown in say California, it will need to be shipped around the country and real companies would have to be used. This will need to take into cost of operating a business. When I send it out I will have to use a proper service, pay someone to load and unload it, package it, the shipment itself. Getting weed from somewhere not in the USA you have to pay the importing tax as well.

No more giving someone a free ounce or two and having them drive a trunkload of it somewhere.

I can go on and on for hours, but these are just a few things.

I think you're over analyzing the situation.

Look at the pharmaceutical industry for instance, as soon as patents expire & generics can be made (with the same effectiveness) they are sold for WAY cheaper than the prescription drug. Marijuana can't be patented, therefore it isn't subject to that kind of proprietary pricing.

Prices won't go up - they will go down. Marijuana already has a decent price & it is ILLEGAL! How would legalizing it make it more expensive? The same people would just continue growing top notch shit and selling it for the same price if that was the case...

Last - if you're high and driving you should have to deal with the consequences - you are impaired!

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by tical

I think you're over analyzing the situation.

Look at the pharmaceutical industry for instance, as soon as patents expire & generics can be made (with the same effectiveness) they are sold for WAY cheaper than the prescription drug. Marijuana can't be patented, therefore it isn't subject to that kind of proprietary pricing.

Prices won't go up - they will go down. Marijuana already has a decent price & it is ILLEGAL! How would legalizing it make it more expensive? The same people would just continue growing top notch shit and selling it for the same price if that was the case...

Last - if you're high and driving you should have to deal with the consequences - you are impaired!

ok let me see here...

Points to be made:

1) The comparison to pharmaceuticals is moot and arbitrary. the entire point of patents and generic branding is that various drugs can be copied and manufactured. this isn't the case with marijuana. moot point. what it IS subject to is government interference and regulation/policies surrounding cost.

2) Prices will not go down. it's arbitrary to compare the price of illegal marijuana with legal marijuana, because the dynamics are totally different. government regulation will result in a government run 'industry', much like cigarettes and alcohol, where the government sets prices and makes a profit off those products. costs will include taxes, manufacturing, transport, testing, etc.

Legalizing it will make it more expensive simply through government involvement. As it stands there is no 'middle man', there is no regulation, and the users and producers set their own prices as per societal norms and acceptable practices.

Sure, the 'same people could just continue to grow', but if the government now has a brand new industry, they will want to curb that with every possible effort. There will be an increased rise in prosecution for drug crimes that cannot be proved to have been purchased from a regulated vendor, and increased penalties for those caught growing/distributing. And setting up as a regulated vendor would be highly costly. This makes for a hostile environment for the 'growers'. Will it curb it? no, but it will make it a less appealing and attractive method of business.

It will be more difficult to find a quality 'dealer' because no one will want to take on anyone new as a 'client'.

Take a look over the past 15 years and how much more expensive cigarettes have gotten. They are what now 5-9 bucks a pack depending on where you are. Remember when they were less then 2 bucks a handful of years ago, and the govt will likely do with marijuana what they did/do with cigarettes. Jack the price up, under the guise of 'betterment of people' and 'incentive to quit' while still making MAD profit off the industry, due to GOVERNMENT REGULATION.

I think this is good for now.

[TheDoc]

Rob do you smoke?

As of right now, the Gov and State aren't the ones making the Pot. The people are.

Prices will go down... The more the GOV produces, the more it gets on the streets, the more it gets in my hands, the more everything drops in price. More = Less Cost.... More higher quality strains, means we all end up with higher quality strains.

The quality 'on average' is better in Canada and at least 1/2 the cost, and the cost has gone down as it become more legal.

Growing pot to sell it, is about as illegal as it gets right now. It curbs nobody now it will curb nobody later. Dealers don't take walk-ins, they take word of mouth referrals - which are safe.

While I can prob grow tobacco, I can't grow my brand smokes or make them. I can't grow my own personal crop in a closest, attic or in the back corner of the woods. I have never seen fields of wild tobacco growing, or random crops in the woods..


This is why I asked if you smoked. If you did or do, you would understand how it works more. Right now our pot is super over priced based on its quality, because it's illegal. Every other Country that has legalized it, went the other direction in costs - ours would be no different.

[collegeboobies]

it wont be legalized

[Tom_PM]

I bet if you DID grow a tobacco crop and got busted, you'd be in pretty deep doo anyway. Zoning laws?, is it toxic to native animals?, destructive to native flora? etc etc etc. You could still hit the jail. You'd need to check your local zoning laws, just like if you wanted to have a pot bellied pig as a pet.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

As of right now, the Gov and State aren't the ones making the Pot. The people are.

I fail to see the relevance here, as we are discussing the implications of legalization.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Prices will go down... The more the GOV produces, the more it gets on the streets, the more it gets in my hands, the more everything drops in price. More = Less Cost.... More higher quality strains, means we all end up with higher quality strains.

Economics 101. supply does not always dictate cost. DEMAND DICTATES COST.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The quality 'on average' is better in Canada and at least 1/2 the cost, and the cost has gone down as it become more legal.

There is no such thing as 'more' or 'less' legal. there is legal and illegal. criminal and not criminal. prohibited and unprohibited. one should ask oneself WHY it is 'more legal'.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Growing pot to sell it, is about as illegal as it gets right now. It curbs nobody now it will curb nobody later. Dealers don't take walk-ins, they take word of mouth referrals - which are safe.

No, carrying in large amounts is also illegal. the only reason they don't bother with small amounts is because it's pot, and not crack. we're not discussing the amounts of usage. we're discussing the benefits/negatives of legalization.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While I can prob grow tobacco, I can't grow my brand smokes or make them. I can't grow my own personal crop in a closest, attic or in the back corner of the woods. I have never seen fields of wild tobacco growing, or random crops in the woods..

Epic fail on missing the point. tobacco is a natural product much like marijuana. with tobacco the government has regulated it, and allowed various chemicals be introduced in order to lessen the effect, resulting in more usage, resulting in more profit.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Every other Country that has legalized it, went the other direction in costs - ours would be no different.

Source?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Every other Country that has legalized it, went the other direction in costs - ours would be no different.

Really? What country have you visited where the weed was cheaper?

[webair]

Large tobacco companies are poised to produce and distribute Marijuana cigarettes! It's just a matter of time...cant wait =))

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

I fail to see the relevance here, as we are discussing the implications of legalization.

Umm... and what I'm I not talking about? Do I have to like quote the starting post, and only talk on that subject? Is that like the RULES of GFY or forum whoring or something?

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Economics 101. supply does not always dictate cost. DEMAND DICTATES COST.

Demand? I CAN GROW IT MYSELF... Understand that demand...

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

There is no such thing as 'more' or 'less' legal. there is legal and illegal. criminal and not criminal. prohibited and unprohibited. one should ask oneself WHY it is 'more legal'.

You brought up some way that it would be more illegal.. that the gov was going to make it worse. Right now, pot and crack - are on the same scale as murder.

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

No, carrying in large amounts is also illegal. the only reason they don't bother with small amounts is because it's pot, and not crack. we're not discussing the amounts of usage. we're discussing the benefits/negatives of legalization.

Most people in jail are in for very small, personal, amounts... We are discussing whatever is brought up on any area of the subject..

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Epic fail on missing the point. tobacco is a natural product much like marijuana. with tobacco the government has regulated it, and allowed various chemicals be introduced in order to lessen the effect, resulting in more usage, resulting in more profit.

The Gov didn't allow any part of this, the Companies just did it.. then it was found out they did it, they paid for it. The regulated it because it has killed millions of people. Pot, doesn't do that....

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Source?

Source? Like they have articles written up that cover this subject.. Is that like a bunch of doctor Stoners getting together spending billions to research this?

The source is Canada, Amsterdam and other Countries that legalized it or don't care. The cost of pot is low.. hellish low. You buy an oz here of good shit for $400 - That's about the most expensive pot in the fucking world.

And demand.. Dude, I can guy pounds of the best bud in 24 hours in almost every state in America. The MORE Cali has introduced it into the medical system - The less dry the ENTIRE U.S. has gotten.

Source, ask anyone that lives in the South how hard it was to buy pot 5 years ago vs. today.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by baddog

Really? What country have you visited where the weed was cheaper?

Canada... I lived in Canada too, fuck visiting.. At least 1/2 the cost, more like 2/3 less. What we pay for true dirt, is what they pay for prime shit.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Canada... I lived in Canada too, fuck visiting.. At least 1/2 the cost, more like 2/3 less. What we pay for true dirt, is what they pay for prime shit.

Since I have never been to Canada I will have to take your word for it even though I have not seen any indication that weed is "legal" there. But weed is not cheaper in every country that has legalized/decriminalized it. It isn't better than what I can buy at the store either.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by baddog

Since I have never been to Canada I will have to take your word for it even though I have not seen any indication that weed is "legal" there. But weed is not cheaper in every country that has legalized/decriminalized it. It isn't better than what I can buy at the store either.

What we pay $400 for in America for, Canadians pay less than $250 Canadian. The same scale of bud, in Amsterdam is about on scale with Canada.

The costs only levels out, and it's still much more expensive here.. once you hit the highest quality strains. And you can't buy those in Stores here, yet... Just the really good shit, not the mind blowing shit.

Weed in Canada, I don't think it's 'legal' straight up. But in BC they have smoke shops, and in Alberta they give you like a $15 fine - if they even care. We walked past a cop rolling one up and he told us to put it away.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

More higher quality strains, means we all end up with higher quality strains.

The legitimate end of the cannibusiness today is all about the genetics ? an endeavor as serious among the elite as it is any other field where the basic building blocks of life are being optimized and preserved. This ain't yo' daddy's ragweed and examples (clones) of these strains are becomming pretty widespread (which tends to dillute the pedigree but the net increase in quality is undeniable).

Or so I'm told.

[CyberHustler]

Fuck decriminalizing it... make the shit legal.. Fuck all the bullshit. If the illegal growers wanna complain, then fine. I don't care. The legal shit is way better anyway.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The legitimate end of the cannibusiness today is all about the genetics ? an endeavor as serious among the elite as it is any other field where the basic building blocks of life are being optimized and preserved. This ain't yo' daddy's ragweed and examples (clones) of these strains are becomming pretty widespread (which tends to dillute the pedigree but the net increase in quality is undeniable).

Or so I'm told.

Everything about pot is about Genetics. The people making 'legitimate pot' aren't doctors, most probably never when to high school.

If you clone correctly, you improve the strain.... that's why you clone.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What we pay $400 for in America for, Canadians pay less than $250 Canadian. The same scale of bud, in Amsterdam is about on scale with Canada.

The costs only levels out, and it's still much more expensive here.. once you hit the highest quality strains. And you can't buy those in Stores here, yet... Just the really good shit, not the mind blowing shit.

Weed in Canada, I don't think it's 'legal' straight up. But in BC they have smoke shops, and in Alberta they give you like a $15 fine - if they even care. We walked past a cop rolling one up and he told us to put it away.

I presume you are comparing Arizona weed to Canadian. Until you have visited a few Calif co-ops you really have no idea how good we have it here. And again, Amsterdam is not cheaper and it definitely is not better (at least what is available in the coffee shops. I hear rumors that the locals can get better, but you know what they say about rumors).