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So if/when marijuana gets legalized...
what do they say to all the locked up non-violent offenders in prison?
Just instantly release them? What does they government say to them? "LOL, sorry guys. You got trolled hard."
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Didn't we here in Ca. vote to legalize marijuana for medical purposes? Yet I still hear how he cops are busting medical marijuana places all over Ca. Guess our votes don't count.
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If weed became legal it would create a huge mess for pot smokers, a very large mess. Anyone who wants pot legalized is obviously not a pot smoker, or has smoked soo much of it that they are a fucking melt.
You want it to be decriminalized and not made legal. Huge difference
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Don't have the stats handy, but I remember reading somewhere it was around a third of the prison population (which would be hundreds of thousands) were in prison for non-violent drug-related charges. Didn't say how many of those were pot-smokers, but I would guess the majority of them.
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Wont ever happen. Just seen a thing on cnn the other day where they asked obama straight up and he said no. Was not an option as far as he was concerned.
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Why do people depend on that shit anyway? I know some fucking idiots who have smoked that much they don't even know what day it is. If it gets legalized, then we will have more walking around like that. No thanks...
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legalization will NEVER happen.
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LOL...go drink a beer and start a fight. I can do without sloppy disgusting alchohol drinking retards. I also cant stand pill poppers...You are so off base its not worth rebutting your ignorance.
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they will never make it legal but u can just smoke it anyway
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That's crazy. I know that's not the case here in NY. I got stopped a few times as a kid with some pot in my pocket and the cops always just took it and probably smoked it when they got home.
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Exactly. I'm on my way out to pick up this week's supply.
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If it gets legal people imprisoned for pot related charges will have to do their time anyway since they were imprisoned before it was made legal.
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Thats an interesting point. If I was in jail for 5 years on pot possession, then it's made legal, I should be released IMHO. However, I dont think I should be entitled to compensation like I would if I was accused of rape but was cleared by modern DNA techniques.
But I doubt that "simple possession" is why most are in there.. they probably were also brought up on "intent to distribute" or other charges like that. Growing, selling etc. would not be made "legal", so no luck for probably 90% of them.
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I dont think its relevant to be honest. Of course if there are a lot of people in jail for simple possession, I would imagine they would get released.
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It just doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem right to say "okay, if you had the substance between before we all agreed it was legal, then you must spend years of your life behind bars + felony conviction so good luck with getting a job. But if you had the substance after we all agreed to legalize it, then you're fine. But even though it's okay now, you guys still have to serve your time when we didn't feel like legalizing it." I say legalizing, but substitute with whatever you want, decriminalize or whatever. Mexican president begging Obama to legalize it.
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One way or another this is going to create a mess.
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Yeah... all the non-violet users SHOULD be released.
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No, if a law changes it doesn't become retroactive. If you got caught when it was still illegal, THAT is the time you are going to do. Not a hard concept to understand.
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I hope that i will see that day when the weed will be legal here
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Fully agree with this.
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You know about DUI... There would be a DUH driving while high, yes it would 100% happen. So no more smoking a J and then driving home, pulled over and fucked. It would be a true nightmare for pot smokers are the gov would mandate everything, tax the shit out of it. Just like smokes you would have a state and federal tax, and since they would want to get as much out of it as possible it would be taxed to all hell. And then it would also become hip and trendy, so you'd have the cheap weed and the designer weed. It would be the same as alcohol, the better the wine the more you pay. So when it would come to getting some nice BC budz that are nice and sticky, be ready to pay 3 times what you pay now, can't afford it all the time, get ready for a lot more brown and dry mexican stuff. The prices would also become a lot more expensive when you take into consideration of the shipping of the marijuana from where it is grown to where it will be distrusted. So if it's grown in say California, it will need to be shipped around the country and real companies would have to be used. This will need to take into cost of operating a business. When I send it out I will have to use a proper service, pay someone to load and unload it, package it, the shipment itself. Getting weed from somewhere not in the USA you have to pay the importing tax as well. No more giving someone a free ounce or two and having them drive a trunkload of it somewhere. I can go on and on for hours, but these are just a few things.
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Just seems strange that it's legal to drink (over 21) and doctors can decide whether or not you can have xanax and other hard drugs. But if you take a bong hit or smoke a joint, that's totally illegal (without a medicinal card in a few states).
The answer seems simple. Make a chart of all drugs and categorize the bad verses the good affects. You'll find weed is basically like booze, but not as bad. Then make a chart for how much money each drug brings into the US economy (include booze). Legalize it, make it 21 and over or on a doctors prescription. Or we can all lose our homes and go broke while we all debate it. Peter Tosh was a wise man...
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Look at the pharmaceutical industry for instance, as soon as patents expire & generics can be made (with the same effectiveness) they are sold for WAY cheaper than the prescription drug. Marijuana can't be patented, therefore it isn't subject to that kind of proprietary pricing. Prices won't go up - they will go down. Marijuana already has a decent price & it is ILLEGAL! How would legalizing it make it more expensive? The same people would just continue growing top notch shit and selling it for the same price if that was the case... Last - if you're high and driving you should have to deal with the consequences - you are impaired! |
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Points to be made: 1) The comparison to pharmaceuticals is moot and arbitrary. the entire point of patents and generic branding is that various drugs can be copied and manufactured. this isn't the case with marijuana. moot point. what it IS subject to is government interference and regulation/policies surrounding cost. 2) Prices will not go down. it's arbitrary to compare the price of illegal marijuana with legal marijuana, because the dynamics are totally different. government regulation will result in a government run 'industry', much like cigarettes and alcohol, where the government sets prices and makes a profit off those products. costs will include taxes, manufacturing, transport, testing, etc. Legalizing it will make it more expensive simply through government involvement. As it stands there is no 'middle man', there is no regulation, and the users and producers set their own prices as per societal norms and acceptable practices. Sure, the 'same people could just continue to grow', but if the government now has a brand new industry, they will want to curb that with every possible effort. There will be an increased rise in prosecution for drug crimes that cannot be proved to have been purchased from a regulated vendor, and increased penalties for those caught growing/distributing. And setting up as a regulated vendor would be highly costly. This makes for a hostile environment for the 'growers'. Will it curb it? no, but it will make it a less appealing and attractive method of business. It will be more difficult to find a quality 'dealer' because no one will want to take on anyone new as a 'client'. Take a look over the past 15 years and how much more expensive cigarettes have gotten. They are what now 5-9 bucks a pack depending on where you are. Remember when they were less then 2 bucks a handful of years ago, and the govt will likely do with marijuana what they did/do with cigarettes. Jack the price up, under the guise of 'betterment of people' and 'incentive to quit' while still making MAD profit off the industry, due to GOVERNMENT REGULATION. I think this is good for now.
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Rob do you smoke?
As of right now, the Gov and State aren't the ones making the Pot. The people are. Prices will go down... The more the GOV produces, the more it gets on the streets, the more it gets in my hands, the more everything drops in price. More = Less Cost.... More higher quality strains, means we all end up with higher quality strains. The quality 'on average' is better in Canada and at least 1/2 the cost, and the cost has gone down as it become more legal. Growing pot to sell it, is about as illegal as it gets right now. It curbs nobody now it will curb nobody later. Dealers don't take walk-ins, they take word of mouth referrals - which are safe. While I can prob grow tobacco, I can't grow my brand smokes or make them. I can't grow my own personal crop in a closest, attic or in the back corner of the woods. I have never seen fields of wild tobacco growing, or random crops in the woods.. This is why I asked if you smoked. If you did or do, you would understand how it works more. Right now our pot is super over priced based on its quality, because it's illegal. Every other Country that has legalized it, went the other direction in costs - ours would be no different.
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I bet if you DID grow a tobacco crop and got busted, you'd be in pretty deep doo anyway. Zoning laws?, is it toxic to native animals?, destructive to native flora? etc etc etc. You could still hit the jail. You'd need to check your local zoning laws, just like if you wanted to have a pot bellied pig as a pet.
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Large tobacco companies are poised to produce and distribute Marijuana cigarettes! It's just a matter of time...cant wait =))
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Source? Like they have articles written up that cover this subject.. Is that like a bunch of doctor Stoners getting together spending billions to research this? The source is Canada, Amsterdam and other Countries that legalized it or don't care. The cost of pot is low.. hellish low. You buy an oz here of good shit for $400 - That's about the most expensive pot in the fucking world. And demand.. Dude, I can guy pounds of the best bud in 24 hours in almost every state in America. The MORE Cali has introduced it into the medical system - The less dry the ENTIRE U.S. has gotten. Source, ask anyone that lives in the South how hard it was to buy pot 5 years ago vs. today.
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Canada... I lived in Canada too, fuck visiting.. At least 1/2 the cost, more like 2/3 less. What we pay for true dirt, is what they pay for prime shit.
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Since I have never been to Canada I will have to take your word for it even though I have not seen any indication that weed is "legal" there. But weed is not cheaper in every country that has legalized/decriminalized it. It isn't better than what I can buy at the store either.
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The costs only levels out, and it's still much more expensive here.. once you hit the highest quality strains. And you can't buy those in Stores here, yet... Just the really good shit, not the mind blowing shit. Weed in Canada, I don't think it's 'legal' straight up. But in BC they have smoke shops, and in Alberta they give you like a $15 fine - if they even care. We walked past a cop rolling one up and he told us to put it away.
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Fuck decriminalizing it... make the shit legal.. Fuck all the bullshit. If the illegal growers wanna complain, then fine. I don't care. The legal shit is way better anyway.
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