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MaDalton · 05-01-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no problem, here's just 10, there are many more

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and these are just national topics. he has also made some important steps internationally. like talking Turkey into accepting Rasmussen as NATO secretary.

it's really weird, Bush had several years to fuck everything up and rarely someone got upset about it. but just imagine what would happen now if something like 9/11 would happen again and Obama would sit there and read children books.

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Mutt · 05-01-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

here's the problem, they were both shitty choices...

American politics has reached a point where the really good choices for President have openly said they have no intention of running because of the bullshit media sideshow that goes along with it

i hear this alot and no doubt the sideshow that American politics has become has made some good people to decide to take a pass on running for the presidency.

BUT............ in reality, nothing has changed, candidates are coming from the same backgrounds they have always come from with the same accomplishments - governors, senators, the house of representatives. what was John Kennedy before he ran? Nothing more than Barack Obama - other than he served during a war. How is John McCain not as good a candidate at the time he ran as Ronald Reagan or George Bush Sr when they ran.

brassmonkey · 05-01-2009, 09:03 AM

obama is doing his thing im proud

fatfoo · 05-01-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

why the fuck do you care about a bald guy from germany?

I don't care if he's a bald guy from germany, he can still discuss American politics. So let's stick to the topic.

OldJeff · 05-01-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and these are just national topics. he has also made some important steps internationally. like talking Turkey into accepting Rasmussen as NATO secretary.

it's really weird, Bush had several years to fuck everything up and rarely someone got upset about it. but just imagine what would happen now if something like 9/11 would happen again and Obama would sit there and read children books.

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He wouldn't sit there and read, he would get on television and apologize that we have forced the poor muslim world into attacking our civilians.

12clicks · 05-01-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

well, do you?

cause that would have been the only alternative in the current situation. Would McCain have spent less money? would he let the banks, AIG and the car companies die? would he have already attacked Iran?

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

MaDalton · 05-01-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

well, that is indeed a huge mistake that will come back to haunt him. having unions run a company will either destroy the union or the company. or both

cykoe6 · 05-01-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

Yea...... it is hard to imagine how someone else could have done worse. Nationalizing the auto industry and a large part of the banking industry all in 100 days. Combined with trillions in budget deficits, runaway spending, socialized heath care and massive cap-and-trade taxes he may single handily manage to destroy the country in under 6 months. I would guess you could not easily find someone who could have done any more damage than he has (and plans to).

IllTestYourGirls · 05-01-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Yea...... it is hard to imagine how someone else could have done worse. Nationalizing the auto industry and a large part of the banking industry all in 100 days. Combined with trillions in budget deficits, runaway spending, socialized heath care and massive cap-and-trade taxes he may single handily manage to destroy the country in under 6 months. I would guess you could not easily find someone who could have done any more damage than he has (and plans to).

Wait till the feminists tell him to get his hands in the porn industry

Sid70 · 05-01-2009, 11:47 AM

u should learn from Ukraine, we had no big choice back in 2004 that made us choose democracy and what, we are in deep shit anyway

dyna mo · 05-01-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

while i don't neccesarily like the idea of giving equity to the retirees of chrysler, it's not accurate to say he handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

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May 1 (Bloomberg) -- The United Auto Workers? equity in Chrysler LLC is small comfort compared with the damage the automaker?s bankruptcy inflicted on the union?s bargaining power, labor analysts said.

UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in a statement the union?s retiree health-care fund had accepted a 55 percent stake in Chrysler in return for cutting in half the automaker?s $10.6 billion cash obligation to the fund.

The UAW now has 26,800 members at Chrysler, one-fourth as many as in 1979. Its Chrysler equity could turn out to be worthless, leaving retirees with curtailed health insurance, if the company?s fortunes don?t turn around quickly, said Harley Shaiken, a labor analyst at the University of California at Berkeley.

?What?s at stake is auto being the pre-eminent industry generating middle-class jobs in the country,? Shaiken said. ?The union will have a tough fight in the future to make sure competitiveness results in high-wage jobs rather than coming at their expense.?

While the UAW gained representation on the Chrysler board through the agreement, its power will be limited because shares owned by the trust fund will be voted by independent trustees, Shaiken said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...3ZQ&refer=home

and i won't be arguing with you on this, so please, no need to reply.

i am simply setting the record straight with a report from a respectable source.

12clicks · 05-01-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

while i don't neccesarily like the idea of giving equity to the retirees of chrysler, it's not accurate to say he handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.
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and i won't be arguing with you on this, so please, no need to reply.

i am simply setting the record straight with a report from a respectable source.

I understand why you're easily confused. It takes more thought to understand it than just grabbing the first quote you come across.
but I don't mind teaching people who want to "set the record straight"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...wnership_N.htm
"""The United Auto Workers union will own 55% of a restructured Chrysler LLC and its retiree health care trust will get a seat on the board if union members vote to approve contract concessions this week."""

Thats controlling interest for those of you setting the record straight.

"""The deal likely will serve as the template for a pact with General Motors Corp."""

so 2 of the big three will be owned by the unions.

question for those of you looking to set the record straight:
what happens when its time for Ford to negotiate the next contract with the UAW? you know, the UAW who is no longer just Ford's labor force but is now also its biggest (and larger) competitor?

but hey, thanks for setting the record straight.

no need to reply. it takes thought, not the ability to cut and paste, to have a conversation.

dyna mo · 05-01-2009, 12:39 PM

putting your sanctimonious comments aside, your post is a duplicate of mine, including the cut&paste.

but more importantly, i did set the record straight, obama has not

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

ya know Ron, when i had dinner with you (and a few others) several years ago in las vegas, you were very nice in person. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior. makes me wonder which one of you is real- because if the one we had dinner with is the real one, this side of you makes you come across cowardly in person.

either way, good luck to you.

Rangermoore · 05-01-2009, 12:41 PM

He would have sold out to "da man" just as well...

Bryan G · 05-01-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99

make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

Wow the whole 100 days hes been in office. What did Bush do in 8 years?

12clicks · 05-01-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

putting your sanctimonious comments aside, your post is a duplicate of mine, including the cut&paste.

but more importantly, i did set the record straight, obama has not

ya know Ron, when i had dinner with you (and a few others) several years ago in las vegas, you were very nice in person. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior. makes me wonder which one of you is real- because if the one we had dinner with is the real one, this side of you makes you come across cowardly in person.

either way, good luck to you.

ya know {input name here}, when I bought you dinner (and a few others) several years ago in vegas, you weren't trying to "set me straight" about things that were over your head so I'm sure I was my perfectly polite hosting self. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior so it makes me wonder who you are because I generally have intelligent people to dinner, not cowards.
either way, good luck to you.

nation-x · 05-01-2009, 12:52 PM

The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them.

StuartD · 05-01-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're great for the workers... thing is that they're doom for the companies.

Rangermoore · 05-01-2009, 12:57 PM

I feel that back in the day unions were good for the working person. But now I am not so sure about that..And yes I have been in a few unions...

12clicks · 05-01-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

I feel that back in the day unions were good for the working person. But now I am not so sure about that..And yes I have been in a few unions...

now they're better for the non-working person

baddog · 05-01-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're great for the workers... thing is that they're doom for the companies.

Actually, I was a union member (CWA) for [approximately] 25 years and quite active. By the time I retired I had had my fill of unions and felt that they are only beneficial to lazy people that have a lot of seniority.

nation-x · 05-01-2009, 01:48 PM

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Actually, I was a union member (CWA) for [approximately] 25 years and quite active. By the time I retired I had had my fill of unions and felt that they are only beneficial to lazy people that have a lot of seniority.

I could see that

My Dad worked at Chrysler as a management and got forced out by the union because he busted 2 guys smoking pot in the hallway and had them escorted from the plant grounds... the next day they broke all of the windows in his car and slashed all of the tires. The plant put him on permanent layoff after that.

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nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them.