Obama Haters - do you think you would be better off with McCain right now?

[MaDalton]

well, do you?

cause that would have been the only alternative in the current situation. Would McCain have spent less money? would he let the banks, AIG and the car companies die? would he have already attacked Iran?

[MetaMan]

Why the fuck do you care you are a bald guy from germany?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Why the fuck do you care you are a bald guy from germany?

why the fuck do you care about a bald guy from germany?

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

why the fuck do you care about a bald fuck from germany?

Why the fuck do you care that i care about a bald fuck from germany?

[FelixFlow]

you serious, he's a german??

IF thats true, then your comments about what goes on here in US politics are comments from an "outsider", and unless you live in the USA you wouldnt understand like US citizens do

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

you serious, he's a german??

IF thats true, you have no business commenting on what goes on in the USA

where are you from? loserville? population U

BAMMMMMMM

[DrChango]

because, despite the growth of China over the last decade, America is still the world's preeminent military and economy power on the planet...what happens here affects the planet.

[_Richard_]

germany is a state of the US.. don't you guys read history?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DrChango

because, despite the growth of China over the last decade, America is still the world's preeminent military and economy power on the planet...what happens here affects the planet.

you should read about the korean war, and why that ended in a stalemate, and why the american military begged the gov to use up to 52 nuclear bombs

countless people with grenades will eventually get through anything

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Why the fuck do you care that i care about a bald fuck from germany?

that could go on for hours - lol

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

you serious, he's a german??

IF thats true, then your comments about what goes on here in US politics are comments from an "outsider", and unless you live in the USA you wouldnt understand like US citizens do

interesting edit - but yes, i am an outsider. nevertheless what DrChango said - it affects the planet

example: Opel is the german daughter of GM. if GM goes down and no one buys Opel it will cost approx. 100,000 to 150,000 jobs in Germany and some neighbouring countries. this is one reason why US politics are interesting for me

Originally Posted by DrChango

because, despite the growth of China over the last decade, America is still the world's preeminent military and economy power on the planet...what happens here affects the planet.

[CIVMatt]

here's the problem, they were both shitty choices...

American politics has reached a point where the really good choices for President have openly said they have no intention of running because of the bullshit media sideshow that goes along with it

[Sly]

So if we criticized Bush during his term, we are great and all knowing. If we criticize Obama during his term, we are idiots because there was no other option?

That doesn't really make sense. If it's "okay" to question the government during one presidency, it's "okay" to question the government during another presidency.

There is a difference between "hate" and being "leery". Those that hate are usually a little nutso... there is more caution than there is hate.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

you serious, he's a german??

IF thats true, then your comments about what goes on here in US politics are comments from an "outsider", and unless you live in the USA you wouldnt understand like US citizens do

Dont you think European people in european countries are developed enough to understand. What's your agenda.. LOL

[cykoe6]

Since electing a Saul Alinksy trained leftist radical like Obama was the worst possible choice imaginable it is quite easy to say that any alternative outcome would have been preferable.

[IllTestYourGirls]

McCain was not the only other choice.

[robfantasy]

i cant even turn on the TV anymore, this nation has gone to complete shit

[LiveDose]

He would have sucked just as bad.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

you serious, he's a german??

IF thats true, then your comments about what goes on here in US politics are comments from an "outsider", and unless you live in the USA you wouldnt understand like US citizens do

I always enjoy the irony of an American criticizing others for having an opinion on another nation's politics.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Sly

So if we criticized Bush during his term, we are great and all knowing. If we criticize Obama during his term, we are idiots because there was no other option?

That doesn't really make sense. If it's "okay" to question the government during one presidency, it's "okay" to question the government during another presidency.

There is a difference between "hate" and being "leery". Those that hate are usually a little nutso... there is more caution than there is hate.

I don't see how asking if McCain would have done better is the same as saying your an idiot for criticizing Obama.

[FelixFlow]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Since electing a Saul Alinksy trained leftist radical like Obama was the worst possible choice imaginable it is quite easy to say that any alternative outcome would have been preferable.

^ its this guy that is the reason why i said what i said to begin with! lol


seriously, this guy hasnt lived in the US for what, 3,4,5, 10 years & comments daily on life in the US? please


everyone can have an opinion, but my point is that if you dont live in the US you arent affected ON THE SAME LEVEL WE ARE by OUR politicians' decisions, so you're an outsider looking in - but making comments as if you are an insider

[LAJ]

If you criticized bush you were unpatriotic... if you criticize Obama then you are voicing your opinion isn't that how it works?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

^ its this guy that is the reason why i said what i said to begin with! lol


seriously, this guy hasnt lived in the US for what, 3,4,5, 10 years & comments daily on life in the US? please


everyone can have an opinion, but my point is that if you dont live in the US you arent affected ON THE SAME LEVEL WE ARE by OUR politicians' decisions, so you're an outsider looking in - but making comments as if you are an insider

i am not sure who you mean by "this guy", but i was seriously surprised by the negativity of some people against Obama the last weeks. I can't remember this being even remotely that bad as when Bush was elected. and since i am not an insider i am asking for opinions of those that are.

maybe i should not have used "haters" in the thread title - although sometimes from what i read there is hardly any other word for it

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by LAJ

If you criticized bush you were unpatriotic... if you criticize Obama then you are voicing your opinion isn't that how it works?

Heh, that reminds me of a post I made on another forum:


They should start a new political party call the Hypocrisy party.

When a republican is president, democrats must respect him because he's "their leader".
When a democrat is president, you must wish for complete and total failure and do anything you can to undermine him to further that wish.

When a republican passes the biggest spending bill in history and puts the money directly into the hands of greedy execs who use it for lavish parties, that's strong leadership.
When a democrat passes the biggest spending bill in history and uses it to improve the nation's infrastructure and help those who actually need it to survive, that's purposely destroying the economy and poor leadership.

When a republican can't even get his own party's support and doesn't care what they or what other party's think... it's called being strong for sticking to his guns.
When a democrat gets the support of his party, and the other parties and actively seeks out input from all parties including specialists outside of the political world... that's called being weak and unable to make decisions.

When a republican chants terror, death, war, terrorism, bombing, hatred, jealousy, etc in every single speech he ever gives, it's called taking action and very patriotic.
When a democrat chants hope, courage, positivity, encouragement, etc, it's called all talk, no walk and unpatriotic.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

^ its this guy that is the reason why i said what i said to begin with! lol


seriously, this guy hasnt lived in the US for what, 3,4,5, 10 years & comments daily on life in the US? please


everyone can have an opinion, but my point is that if you dont live in the US you arent affected ON THE SAME LEVEL WE ARE by OUR politicians' decisions, so you're an outsider looking in - but making comments as if you are an insider

Hummmm... I pay US income taxes on my earnings. I have an investment portfolio with mostly US based assets. I own real estate in the US. I am registered to vote in the US. My family lives there and is economically effected by political decisions (as am I). I have a US passport and am a US citizen. As I have no citizenship or permanent residency in any other country the state of things in the US is important to me as it is my permanent residence. It seems like I have as much as right to an opinion on political matters as anyone else.

[Snake Doctor]

Double standards are never more prevalent than they are right after a political shift/change in administration.

The people who called us unpatriotic for not supporting the Iraq war are having tea parties over a government spending bill.

The people who said dissent was patriotic for the last 8 years now tell the right wingers they need to STFU and "give the President a chance"

The people who "just couldn't believe" the Democrats would hold up the nomination of John Ashcroft, held up the nomination of Kathleen Sebelius, because....wait for it....she's pro choice.
As if Obama was going to nominate someone to that post who wasn't.

The republicans used a process called reconciliation (a parliamentary procedure) so that Bush's tax cuts wouldn't be subject to a filibuster in 2001 and 2003.
The democrats are considering using the same procedure for health care reform now, and the republicans are calling it the "nuclear option"

The republicans "demanded" that all of Bush's judicial nominees be given a straight up or down vote in the Senate, and threatened to use the "nuclear option" if that didn't happen.

How much do you want to bet they'll try the same parliamentary stalling and blocking tactics to hold up Obama's liberal judicial appointees?

When it comes to politics, just about everyone is a hypocrite. Where you stand on something has alot more to do with what side of the issue you're on than it does with what you think of the tactic being used.

If you're against a nominee for the Supreme Court for instance, then the filibuster is a great thing that keeps the majority from trampling the minority. After all, America is majority rule, but with minority rights.

If you're for the nominee, then you are appalled at the use of the filibuster, and can't believe the minority is trying to thwart the democratic process.

In my short lifetime (I'll be 35 this year) I've seen both parties play the exact same game from both sides of the aisle. Both minority and majority, President vs Congress, and vice versa.
The only difference in how the two play the game, is that republicans are way better at naming things.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Heh, that reminds me of a post I made on another forum:


They should start a new political party call the Hypocrisy party.

When a republican is president, democrats must respect him because he's "their leader".
When a democrat is president, you must wish for complete and total failure and do anything you can to undermine him to further that wish.

When a republican passes the biggest spending bill in history and puts the money directly into the hands of greedy execs who use it for lavish parties, that's strong leadership.
When a democrat passes the biggest spending bill in history and uses it to improve the nation's infrastructure and help those who actually need it to survive, that's purposely destroying the economy and poor leadership.

When a republican can't even get his own party's support and doesn't care what they or what other party's think... it's called being strong for sticking to his guns.
When a democrat gets the support of his party, and the other parties and actively seeks out input from all parties including specialists outside of the political world... that's called being weak and unable to make decisions.

When a republican chants terror, death, war, terrorism, bombing, hatred, jealousy, etc in every single speech he ever gives, it's called taking action and very patriotic.
When a democrat chants hope, courage, positivity, encouragement, etc, it's called all talk, no walk and unpatriotic.

sounds very familiar, good post

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

sounds very familiar, good post

Thank you, and just to be fair, the same can be said in reverse. I'm just using current events as examples.
It all depends on which 'wing' is in the President's seat at the time.

[FelixFlow]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am not sure who you mean by "this guy", but i was seriously surprised by the negativity of some people against Obama the last weeks. I can't remember this being even remotely that bad as when Bush was elected. and since i am not an insider i am asking for opinions of those that are.

maybe i should not have used "haters" in the thread title - although sometimes from what i read there is hardly any other word for it

i meant the guy i quoted, as "this guy"

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Hummmm... I pay US income taxes on my earnings. I have an investment portfolio with mostly US based assets. I own real estate in the US. I am registered to vote in the US. My family lives there and is economically effected by political decisions (as am I). I have a US passport and am a US citizen. As I have no citizenship or permanent residency in any other country the state of things in the US is important to me as it is my permanent residence. It seems like I have as much as right to an opinion on political matters as anyone else.

ahhhh, didnt know that...all this time i wrongly assumed you were an ex-pat that hadnt stepped on US soil in a decade, my apologies I was clearly wrong & any US citizen certainly can bitch & complain about any of our (mostly crooked) politicians all they want

[Sausage]

Don't just look at the head man, they are usually just puppets and McCain would have been no different.

To me its not so much that I dislike Obama, because he is a good talker and personally I don't mind him, but those around him and in his party are crooks. There are more crooks and crims in his team than in the other lot imho. Hell how many tax cheats did obama have to get through when putting together his team before we found the right ppl ?

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

ahhhh, didnt know that...all this time i wrongly assumed you were an ex-pat that hadnt stepped on US soil in a decade, my apologies I was clearly wrong & any US citizen certainly can bitch & complain about any of our (mostly crooked) politicians all they want

No problem. Whining and complaining about politicians is what I do when I am trying to avoid working.

[LAJ]

Yeah this double standard shit is just nonsense.

To all the Obama haters... ya just gotta stoop down to their level and throw the chant back at em... "your guy lost, get over it."

[Cyandin]

Originally Posted by LAJ

Yeah this double standard shit is just nonsense.

To all the Obama haters... ya just gotta stoop down to their level and throw the chant back at em... "your guy lost, get over it."

I'm gonna walk over and bust your windows for even saying that, you unpatriotic pinko commie!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Heh, that reminds me of a post I made on another forum:


They should start a new political party call the Hypocrisy party.

When a republican is president, democrats must respect him because he's "their leader".
When a democrat is president, you must wish for complete and total failure and do anything you can to undermine him to further that wish.

When a republican passes the biggest spending bill in history and puts the money directly into the hands of greedy execs who use it for lavish parties, that's strong leadership.
When a democrat passes the biggest spending bill in history and uses it to improve the nation's infrastructure and help those who actually need it to survive, that's purposely destroying the economy and poor leadership.

When a republican can't even get his own party's support and doesn't care what they or what other party's think... it's called being strong for sticking to his guns.
When a democrat gets the support of his party, and the other parties and actively seeks out input from all parties including specialists outside of the political world... that's called being weak and unable to make decisions.

When a republican chants terror, death, war, terrorism, bombing, hatred, jealousy, etc in every single speech he ever gives, it's called taking action and very patriotic.
When a democrat chants hope, courage, positivity, encouragement, etc, it's called all talk, no walk and unpatriotic.

Not too difficult to see where your sympathies lie.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Don't just look at the head man, they are usually just puppets and McCain would have been no different.

No Mccain/Palin leadership would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAY different. No doubt our country would fall into the abyss with their jelly spines to the religous right and eratic behavoir. They are not competant enough to lead in crunch time. Just look what happened when he tried to stop the campaign in the middle. LOL. the guy cant keep his cool under stress. Somthing Obama kills him in. We wont even go into critical thinking skills, speaking skills, or any skills for that matter. Mccain is just a spoiled rich boy who happened to crash his plane alot.

Both are fiscally liberal, but Mccain is social conservative and obama is social liberal. Any adult webmaster who pines for a mccain/palin leadership has no right being a webmaster. To stick with one party just because they call themselves republican makes you a tard in my book.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by DrChango

because, despite the growth of China over the last decade, America is still the world's preeminent military and economy power on the planet...what happens here affects the planet.

Thanks for the lesson.... we figured that one out after your massive mortgage fuckup... don't worry you won't be staying in the top spot for much longer.

[BFT3K]

Obama was clearly the best option, and he won! God bless America!

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Sly

So if we criticized Bush during his term, we are great and all knowing. If we criticize Obama during his term, we are idiots because there was no other option?

That doesn't really make sense. If it's "okay" to question the government during one presidency, it's "okay" to question the government during another presidency.

There is a difference between "hate" and being "leery". Those that hate are usually a little nutso... there is more caution than there is hate.

Well I think after 3,4,5,6,7,8 YEARS that's enough time to know if a guy sucks or not. Obama has been Prez for 3 MONTHS. Not enough time to tell shit.

[bo$$]

That is a good question, as much as I hate Obama, I wouldnt think McCain would be doing any better

I just think Obamas an idiot, however, no matter what president we have, I (and the rest of the US) will think hes an idiot, regardless.

[u-Bob]

Having a brain and being capable of independent thought was called "being unpatriotic" when Bush was president.
Having a brain and being capable of independent thought is called "being a hater" when Obama is president.

[OldJeff]

Obama Sucks, his economic policy so far is Jimmy Carter take 2 which sucked the first time around.

OH, and here is a list of the presidents I thought sucked in my lifetime, newest to oldest

Obama
Bush
Clinton
Bush
Regan
Carter
Ford
Nixon
LBJ

The have all sucked in one way or another, will probably continue this trend for the rest of my life.

(They also all did some good things too, except for Obama, but I suspect something he does in his full term will be good, just have not seen it yet)

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Hummmm... I pay US income taxes on my earnings. I have an investment portfolio with mostly US based assets. I own real estate in the US. I am registered to vote in the US. My family lives there and is economically effected by political decisions (as am I). I have a US passport and am a US citizen. As I have no citizenship or permanent residency in any other country the state of things in the US is important to me as it is my permanent residence. It seems like I have as much as right to an opinion on political matters as anyone else.

why do you choose to live in latvia or where ever you are..just curious.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Thank you, and just to be fair, the same can be said in reverse. I'm just using current events as examples.
It all depends on which 'wing' is in the President's seat at the time.

Originally Posted by baddog

Not too difficult to see where your sympathies lie.

Especially if you don't read the rest of the thread before replying, huh?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by SBR Richard

you should read about the korean war, and why that ended in a stalemate, and why the american military begged the gov to use up to 52 nuclear bombs

countless people with grenades will eventually get through anything

Only when the leaders of the opposing military are unwilling to respond with the same sort of tactics.

[thaifan99]

make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by thaifan99

make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

In the first 100 days? Sure, but you have to be certain to compare them with past president's achievements in their first 100 days.

[Sausage]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

No Mccain/Palin leadership would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAY different. No doubt our country would fall into the abyss with their jelly spines to the religous right and eratic behavoir. They are not competant enough to lead in crunch time. Just look what happened when he tried to stop the campaign in the middle. LOL. the guy cant keep his cool under stress. Somthing Obama kills him in. We wont even go into critical thinking skills, speaking skills, or any skills for that matter. Mccain is just a spoiled rich boy who happened to crash his plane alot.

Both are fiscally liberal, but Mccain is social conservative and obama is social liberal. Any adult webmaster who pines for a mccain/palin leadership has no right being a webmaster. To stick with one party just because they call themselves republican makes you a tard in my book.

No offense but you have no rights, no influence, no vote and no chance to make any difference. All you Americans are scared of your government, and rightly so. The republicans were bad, and sorry to say it but your new overlords are just as bad. You have exchanged one pack of criminals for another and you are all gushing about it.

Its pathetic to watch. You are such stupid people .. so easily manipulated and so easily led. You almost deserve the prison you have unwittingly built yourselves.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by thaifan99

make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

no problem, here's just 10, there are many more

1. Health Care: The Obama White House cleared an important hurdle in the health care reform debate when it appropriated $19 billion in the stimulus package to help implement an electronic medical record system. The money is paltry compared to the hundreds of billions set aside for an overhaul of the health care system in the budget. But officials inside and out of the White House say its significance is hard to overstate.

"We need to have health IT so we have a better idea both of what works but also... so people can share information," Zeke Emanuel, Obama's health care adviser told the Huffington Post in mid-March. "We are on our way in a way that we have never committed ourselves before."

2. Communications: A presidential campaign built on innovative messaging and advanced technology has, naturally, become a White House defined by similar characteristics. As such, the reach of the administration's new media efforts - from hosting online question-and-answer sessions with the president to publishing the first White House blog - has been as expected as appreciated. It's unfortunate, said one tech savvy Democrat, because the new policies have had tangible impacts. "The White House streams every event with the president on its website, even press events," he said. "It's remarkable because, this Sunday they held a swine flu press conference that ordinary people [including many who may have been personally nervous about the topic] were able to watch online... Before you had to wait for a readout or hope that CSPAN would cover it. This is one of those things that people don't quite understand the significance of."

3. Transportation: Since the passage of the economic stimulus package in mid-February, the Obama Department of Transportation has approved 2,500 highway projects. The movement of stimulus money out the door has been as swift as it has been effective: $9.3 billion has been spent in all 50 states. Touting its impact, DOT officials say 260,000 jobs are expected from this investment. And with competition for contracts fierce, the department is set to approve even more projects than previously envisioned. "There will be more money for additional transportation projects," said the official.

4. Education: Maligned for its handling of the financial and banking crises, the Obama Treasury Department has nevertheless implemented policies with real qualitative and quantitative impact on debt-burdened families. Chief among those was a $2,500 tax credit to help offset the cost of tuition (among other expenses) for those seeking a college education. Nearly five million families are expected to save $9 billion, according to Treasury officials.

5. Cars: The automobile industry at the White House and Congress's behest has undergone seismic structural changes, managerial reorganization, and massive cuts in employment. But for all the tough love, the president has put in place the framework for an industry recovery. Perhaps the most significant of steps was to allocate $2 billion in stimulus cash for advanced batteries systems. One high-ranking Hill aide called battery technology "the next big frontier" in the automotive world, adding that if the U.S. could dominate this market it would reclaim its perch as the world's premier car manufacturer.

6. Pakistan: Cognizant of a destabilizing situation in Pakistan, the administration's diplomatic team, with a major assist from Japan, secured $5 billion in aid commitments "to bolster the country's economy and help it fight terror and Islamic radicalism" within the country. The money, as Pakistan observers -- notably Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry - note, will prove instrumental in bringing the nation away from the brink of failure and increased Taliban control.

7. Cities: More than any prior president, Obama has put a spotlight on America's struggling cities, even creating an office of Urban Policy in the White House. It is the Justice Department, however, that lays claim to one of the most consequential of urban affairs achievements. Through the Recovery Act, DOJ secured $2 billion for Byrne Grants, which funds anti-gang and anti-gun task forces. The money, cut during the Bush years, is expected to have massive ramifications on inner-city crime and violence.

8. Engaging the Muslim World: While certainly discussed, foreign affairs experts insist that Obama's engagement with the Muslim world has been at once remarkable and under-appreciated. From the first interview with Al Arabiya to his Nowruz address to the Iranian people, to his proclamation that "American is not at war with Islam" during an appearance in Turkey, seasoned observers have been routinely impressed. "Through these [statements and interviews]," said one Democratic foreign policy hand, "He has been able to dramatically change America's image in that region."

9. Forests: Since taking office, the White House has put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness, thousands of miles of river and a host of national trails and parks. The conservation effort - the largest in the last 15 years - came with the stroke of a pen when Obama signed the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 in late March.

10. Tone: Leaving a meeting at the White House on Tuesday a progressive member of the House of Representatives commented to the Huffington Post just how impressed she was with the president's manner. "He is so calm," said the member, "and has a great ability to make you feel like you're being respected and listened to."

[StuartD]

Don't forget Gitmo, the whole torture investigation going on, over turning several Bush laws including abortion...

[Joshua G]

i think the stock market would be at 4000 & falling if mccain was POTUS right now.

[Bjorn Andersen]

Obama rocks, while maccain is just an old fart