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lazycash

While I like some parts of the Canadian healthcare system, the average wait times are nothing short of scary. In the US, I could have the above treatment all done in one week, while it would take me almost 4 months to get that done in Canada. The median wait time for a ct scan across Canada is 5 weeks and the median wait time for a mri across Canada is 10 weeks. The median time for a patient to see a specialist after being referred by a general doctor has soared to almost 9 weeks. I won't even get started on dental care, where many Canadians living in outlying areas don't even have access to a dentist.

"The lack of investment in implementing medical technologies into the Canadian health care system acts as a bottleneck for Canadians in receiving treatment. This underinvestment keeps costs down, as nothing saves more money than not spending it, but these savings come at the price to patients of serious delays in receiving advanced medical treatment. Once Canadians make it to the specialist, the outcomes are similar to those in the U.S. for many conditions, but not for those conditions (such as cancer) for which early treatment is an essential element in obtaining substantially better outcomes."

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_Richard_

works out to be about $648 per year

strobi

One week? Just wow! I had some dental work done, 1 week to see a regular doctor, 9 weeks to see a specialist, and another 5 weeks or so to do the procedure... impressive!

CamsMaster

You are so damn right especially with NOTHING is Free

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i didnt mean to start an international gfy war

was just venting my frustrations...

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Pleasurepays

I can't believe someone would take that much time to type out an argument attempting to explain that water isn't wet

Your right to free speech is in the constitution (to use your example). have you heard of the Bill of Rights? you've just made the weirdest, most abstract and bizarre explanation of something extremely obvious. when you get arrested you have rights... i.e. Miranda Rights, laid out in the Miranda Act... these are things guaranteed to you by law. and how does it go??? .. "You have the right to remain silent"... "you have the right to an attorney".... etc etc.

The list is endless. there is no point in explaining it to someone who is going to argue that the moon is made of cotton candy.

You cant just declare something a "right". get it? you can't just say "i have this right" or "its a basic human right" and that makes it fact.

mikesouth

Actually the constitution doesn't grant you any rights, it recognizes that rights are inalienable

BIG DIFFERENCE

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

getreal

Fair question: what is a better deal in your opinion - 55% tax rate that covers health insurance, college education,child care,pension, paid vacation OR 29% but you pay for above out of your own packet (or get none if one cannot afford it). What do you say?

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Sausage

Um some of you miss the point that if you have health cover over there your insurance company is still going to try their hardest to get out of having to pay your expenses. The US has the most corrupt and poorly run 'health' system in the developed world, and you pay infinitely more per person for healtcare than the rest of the world too.

Sure our free health system may not be perfect but I would sure as hell take it over the disaster you guys seem to enjoy.

PornoStar69

NHS kicks ass over here in the UK - nice and FRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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The real problem with the US health care system isn't that there are a lot of people uninsured. If you don't have insurance you can walk into any public hospital or urgent care center and they will take care of you no questions asked. You may never pay for it and if not they pass the cost on to those that do pay or have insurance.

The real problem comes when people have insurance and that insurance ends up denying the claim. You then have two choices. Pay a lot to get a lawyer and fight them, or just take it. If you don't have much money you have limited options when it comes to fighting.

A friend of mine has a 6 year old that had to have some surgery done on her teeth. The total bill was $8,000. The insurance only paid $1500. They claim that since the problem she had came from a cavity which is a preventable thing that they (the insurance company) don't have to pay for it.

So now he can either pay the other $6500 or spend who knows how much to get a lawyer and hope to successfully fight it. He didn't know it wouldn't be covered until they refused the claim. There are tons and tons of these stories where people get sick only to find out their insurance doesn't cover them or the insurance companies are flat out refusing to pay.

If you are fine and healthy and everything is good and you just go to the doctor 1-2 times a year for checkups and get an occasional prescription here and there insurance is not a problem. If you actually get sick or hurt, it could be a very surprising day to find out exactly what is covered and not.

I feel the two things this country needs to do in order to survive is deal with our energy problem and curb the cost of health care. The cost of health care is rising faster than the average wage and more and more people every year are driven into bankruptcy/poverty because they got sick or hurt. I'm not saying we have to have socialized medicine, but if we don't do something about the cost of this we will find ourselves in an ugly way.

Due

What you do have to consider is that if you get sick, then you are not making money. If you are not making money you will not be able to pay your health insurance. If you get sick for a longer period, don't expect your health insurance to stay at $3000 / year neither, trust me the rate will go up.

An insurance company is not using "purchasing power", they are simply removing the bad apples (ie the sick people)
Governments offering health insurance, have to insure everybody, rich or poor. Obviously the rich will pay for it.

Don't misunderstand me thinking I believe that everybody should chip in for everybody so we can all live in a great equal society. I moved myself to a tax paradise, knowing if I make no money I get no help, I'll have no "fall backs" and if I can't support myself, I'll be kicked out of the country. I don't see why I should be forced to pay for someone that is unwilling to support them self and I don't expect the same for myself neither, but don't be fooled by a insurance company that say they got "purchasing power" vs a government that can monopolize the entire sector if they wanted.

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TheDoc

I lived in Canada for 2 years, paid full Canadian taxes, medical etc.. Now back in the States, I spend MORE money here in Taxes with health care added in, than a Canadian does. By far, without question, easily.... Hell, if you are sick, your out of pocket costs in America are more than all medical costs (ie taxes) in Canada.

My elbow got busted and my girl at the time had female issues... and we went to the doctor with someone. We waited NO time at all.. We went in, filled out papers, sat down for a minute, and got called in.

My sister fell on ice in Texas, 3 hour wait.. Asthma here, turned down and sent to a different hospital... that's what America thinks about it's vets... yet Canada took me in!

I won't even get in the costs of Kristin, she costs more than most of your houses cost.

I would take the medical system Canada has over overs, 100 times over, any day of the week....

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Boobzooka

Our priorities are so screwed up. We could easily have all the healthcare we need for such a small fraction of 21st Century Human Civilization's total resources that to not provide the best care to all is unforgivable. This should come before everything else. Nobody should have a private jet until everyone has medicine.

Beyond life-or-death issues, let capitalism squeeze all the efficiency it can out of a (well-regulated) marketplace. But healthcare is not just another marketplace. Don't believe the bugaboos that scientists will stop trying to find cures for diseases simply because insurance and drug companies are no longer making obscene profits. Those smart talented people didn't go into the field for fame or fortune, they did so because maybe their mom died of something awful and they are going to war against it. Stop turning their life's devotion to helping humanity into an argument that keeps their work away from people who need it.

Most actual research is already subsidized by various governments and universities anyway. These middlemen companies are just parasites buying up patents and hording discoveries for profit. They spend far more on advertising and administration than anything related to research.

Americans have been lied to their entire lives by insurance-backed organizations who have no conscience when it comes to making up numbers and spreading false information in very official looking reports and through paid-for public officials. The very idea that putting a for-profit industry between patients and doctors makes things cheaper is so counter-intuitive and absurd it should should set off anyone's bullshit detector, but they just have to muddy the waters, create enough doubt and confusion, to avoid a political majority large enough to challenge their scheme.

Always remember you're a member of a species that will shoot someone for a pair of shoes. Then it's easy to accept that better-dressed villains will twist the truth for greater profit. Though to be fair, most of the insurance scam supporters are probably so indoctrinated they just don't know they're spreading misinformation, like FOX-News audiences who argue Saddam had something to do with 9/11.

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