Is It Possible For Sponsors To Shave On NATS!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

Darkcrni · 05-19-2009, 07:23 AM

Im just asking, so is it?

Agent 488 · 05-19-2009, 07:31 AM

1st RULE: You do not talk about shaving.

Darkcrni · 05-19-2009, 07:33 AM

Is there a second?

TheSenator · 05-19-2009, 07:35 AM

Mods close this thread down.

Darkcrni · 05-19-2009, 07:37 AM

Wow! Guys relax, i was just asking!

czarina · 05-19-2009, 07:37 AM

a while back (I'm talking about 2 or 3 years ago) one of the biggest programmers here on GFY showed that it was possible. I wont name names, but if you do a search for posts by an easy-going, nature-loving programmer here + nats shaving, you'll probably find the thread.

~Ray · 05-19-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina

a while back (I'm talking about 2 or 3 years ago) one of the biggest programmers here on GFY showed that it was possible. I wont name names, but if you do a search for posts by an easy-going, nature-loving programmer here + nats shaving, you'll probably find the thread.

does he "smoke"

pornguy · 05-19-2009, 07:47 AM

I dont think that was ever proven and its honestly best not to talk about it.

Forest · 05-19-2009, 07:50 AM

anything is possible

TeenCat · 05-19-2009, 07:57 AM

i dont think shaving is basic part of nats, but anything can be programmed by request or by your own, thats for sure

Konda · 05-19-2009, 08:05 AM

It's technically possible to shave if you run Nats on a webmaster program, there are several ways, mostly work-arounds, so not a fault/bug/option inside Nats itself.

So to answer your question, yes for a sponsor using Nats it is possible to shave, but it can be done without intefering with Nats itself.

Also if the program gets caught they will have their Nats license revoked.

Klen · 05-19-2009, 09:34 AM

Shaving is always possible no matter what affiliate script.It is enough to put parent java script right before join form which replace affiliate id so affiliate will seen clicks in control panel but no joins.

webmasterchecks · 05-19-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Shaving is always possible no matter what affiliate script.

what he said. there is a way to set up any software to not count hits or sales.

fuzebox · 05-19-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Shaving is always possible no matter what affiliate script.

Wow, I didn't think KlenTelaris would have it right.

You can shave using anything, I can think of a half dozen ways off the top of my head to shave with NATS or MPA3 ranging from 5 minute jobs and somewhat easy to detect, to complex things that would require many test joins to figure out...

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

mpahlca · 05-19-2009, 10:21 AM

What does one have to do with the other NATS and your ability to Shave are two different things.

For a fact item you cannot Shave using NATS software as you are not allowed to edit the code in that way. However there are a million ways any webmaster can think of to circumvent that. enjoy

V_RocKs · 05-19-2009, 12:43 PM

Get ready for a lawsuit.

Jman · 05-19-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Wow, I didn't think KlenTelaris would have it right.

You can shave using anything, I can think of a half dozen ways off the top of my head to shave with NATS or MPA3 ranging from 5 minute jobs and somewhat easy to detect, to complex things that would require many test joins to figure out...

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

AMEN!!!

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-19-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

FilthyRob · 05-19-2009, 12:59 PM

I agree about using people you trust. If you find them, hold on to em, send them your traffic and cash the checks.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 05-19-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I dont think that was ever proven and its honestly best not to talk about it.

the only people who say shit like this are people with interests involved within the networks. this is a topic which MOST DEFINITELY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. affiliates should be very concerned with shaving, and should be talking about it, testing for it, and in the know regarding those who are bad shaving programs. becuase there are some out there that are downright awful.

Word on the street has always been the nats does not have a built in fature to regulate shaving, and the misconception is that shaving is impossible via nats. obviously this can be worked into the system at any point. and again, doesn't figure in the fact that it can simply track like shit, which alot of nats networks seem to do also.

best not to be talked about? WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.

PSSuperstars · 05-19-2009, 01:02 PM

My traffic is credit card in hand traffic... usually..
and converts with 1:under100 for some programs..

Ya gotta think though.. the clients reading my blogs are spending, happily, throughout the day.. However only with AWE do I convert to reflect what I think my paying customer amounts is. My guys HAVE their cc in hand when they're on my site usually... Spending anywhere between 2k-5k per day. everyday. That's a whole lot of willingness to pay for sex.

I think amount of traffic sent affects your shave ratios.. which is borked for people like me who have credit card in hand traffic. I think there are a few webcam companies out there who've made a buttload off of me.. with their 1:500+ ratios that I know are BULLSHIT.

And not to be spammy with the whole AWE thing.. but I never noticed it was that bad til I signed up with them.. and saw my ratios were just WAY different.. for the same kind of side banner/blog creative.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 05-19-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

Realistically you shouldn't be "trusting" anyone or anything. You should be "knowing" by "testing". Throwing your time and money at promoting an affiliate offer based solely upon trust that you are being fairly creditted for your leads is flat out fucking stupid....

harvey · 05-19-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

You can shave using anything, I can think of a half dozen ways off the top of my head to shave with NATS or MPA3 ranging from 5 minute jobs and somewhat easy to detect, to complex things that would require many test joins to figure out...

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

word and word. You can't shave with NATS, but there are quite a bunch of ways for programs using NATS to shave, some of them easier than others, all of them (that I know) skip NATS. Same can be done with MPA3 or any other software, so, as Fuzebox said it finally comes to:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

quantum-x · 05-19-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

word and word. You can't shave with NATS, but there are quite a bunch of ways for programs using NATS to shave, some of them easier than others, all of them (that I know) skip NATS. Same can be done with MPA3 or any other software, so, as Fuzebox said it finally comes to:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

Thanks, cos we couldn't read it ourselves the first time.

harvey · 05-19-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Realistically you shouldn't be "trusting" anyone or anything. You should be "knowing" by "testing". Throwing your time and money at promoting an affiliate offer based solely upon trust that you are being fairly creditted for your leads is flat out fucking stupid....

well, you're right, but you trust someone or something based on experience (ie testing, knowledge). I mean if you're slightly smart, the ones trying to jump on bros-wagons and hype usually ends fucked in the ass

harvey · 05-19-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

Thanks, cos we couldn't read it ourselves the first time.

my pleasure, always here to help

borked · 05-19-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Word on the street has always been the nats does not have a built in fature to regulate shaving, and the misconception is that shaving is impossible via nats. obviously this can be worked into the system at any point. and again, doesn't figure in the fact that it can simply track like shit, which alot of nats networks seem to do also.

best not to be talked about? WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.

Bottom line is this - NATS makes it very very difficult to "easily" shave, and it's a point in licensing their product that you will not shave, or have your license revoked.

It shouldn't be a dirty word so as to be afraid to be discussed, as it involves everyone here. Instilling fear with the threat of banning to even mention the word shaving is bullshit - every single CMS ever used to this day uses an unecncrypted database. Therefore, yes it's possible to shave.

And so what is the question? Is it possible to shave usig nats? Yes, is it possible to shave on mas? Yes, is it possible to shave on xyz? yes

IMO, the question is do you trust your sponsor? If no, then stop promoting them.

harvey · 05-19-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

Bottom line is this - NATS makes it very very difficult to "easily" shave, and it's a point in licensing their product that you will not shave, or have your license revoked.

It shouldn't be a dirty word so as to be afraid to be discussed, as it involves everyone here. Instilling fear with the threat of banning to even mention the word shaving is bullshit - every single CMS ever used to this day uses an unecncrypted database. Therefore, yes it's possible to shave.

And so what is the question? Is it possible to shave usig nats? Yes, is it possible to shave on mas? Yes, is it possible to shave on xyz? yes

IMO, the question is do you trust your sponsor? If no, then stop promoting them.

so in short, for those who didn't see it:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

EscortBiz · 05-19-2009, 01:17 PM

in 1969 we where able to send a human to the moon, im thinking that in 2009 it is possible to shave with nats or any program, if you have doubts about a sponsor just move on and use another, a good line from the movie ronin "when in doubt there is no doubt".

borked · 05-19-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

so in short, for those who didn't see it:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

well, you said it in less words, not necessarily less space

in any case....
'
wHaT???

harvey · 05-19-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

well, you said it in less words, not necessarily less space

in any case....
'
wHaT???

yes, I see it wasn't noticeable

so here we go again...

quantum-x · 05-19-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

..

..dick

CyberHustler · 05-19-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

its honestly best not to talk about it.

Why? Because the guy who use to own the site under your username admitted to shaving?

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

i have openly admitted i shave for nearly 3 years now.. this isnt news.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=603724&p=9794494

Rico2009 · 05-19-2009, 02:17 PM

Why would a program owner decide to work with NATS if they are planning to shave? Ok, maybe to give webmaster's credibility. But there's no point to deal with NATS if a program owner knows they would be going through all the hassle of shaving. Just create your own program.

It is possible to shave on NATS, but it the programmer would have to go through some trouble to be doing that.

Not worth SHAVING if you;re on NATS....

mn · 05-19-2009, 02:22 PM

it's VERY easy to shave whatever software you use... anyone thinking something else is stupid.

trust the program or don't trust the program.

mikeyddddd · 05-19-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

so in short, for those who didn't see it:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-19-2009, 02:36 PM

yes its possible, and plausible as with any software , although to be fair its probably harder to do with nats than with many other affiliate software

420 · 05-19-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

yes, I see it wasn't noticeable

so here we go again...

trippy thread man

PPjohn · 05-19-2009, 02:42 PM

I feel more safe to work with NATS sponsors, just wanted to mention this, I realy do.

polish_aristocrat · 05-19-2009, 02:46 PM

how does thehun make money again?

harvey · 05-19-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

harvey · 05-19-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

..dick

chill out, just having fun

harvey · 05-19-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

how does thehun make money again?

TheDoc · 05-19-2009, 03:40 PM

All these up-in-the-air ways to shave and not one post on how someone could do it. I would like to hear about some of these possible shave methods.

Tjeezers · 05-19-2009, 03:41 PM

i think i should trust the program i send traffic to, not the script they run

...... how the hell did that came in my head?

TheDoc · 05-19-2009, 03:50 PM

How did all you guys get to trust the programs you send traffic to? Do you like hang out with 40-100+ owners, the reps, visit them at the office, in personal life, etc.. to see if you can actually trust them? Damn, you pimps are busy!

webmasterchecks · 05-19-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

All these up-in-the-air ways to shave and not one post on how someone could do it. I would like to hear about some of these possible shave methods.

if they use the last link clicked method, (which my understanding is most programs do), you would need to add another affiliate link on one of the tour pages or the join page.

then people that clicked that link would override the actual affiliate code

thats one of the simpler ways, and im not going to post any more, cause i dont want to give people ideas

tabasco · 05-19-2009, 03:57 PM

I only trust top notch Bros

TheDoc · 05-19-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by webmasterchecks

if they use the last link clicked method, (which my understanding is most programs do), you would need to add another affiliate link on one of the tour pages or the join page.

then people that clicked that link would override the actual affiliate code

thats one of the simpler ways, and im not going to post any more, cause i dont want to give people ideas

Last link click method?

Yes, a program could steal your traffic/sales on the site-tour or join page, by resetting the linking codes. Most NATS programs use strack codes, which don't steal from the Webmaster.

This isn't really shaving though... it's wrong or maybe an error, but it isn't shaving.

harvey · 05-19-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

How did all you guys get to trust the programs you send traffic to? Do you like hang out with 40-100+ owners, the reps, visit them at the office, in personal life, etc.. to see if you can actually trust them? Damn, you pimps are busy!

yes, that's the way to do it

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mpahlca Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,821	What does one have to do with the other NATS and your ability to Shave are two different things. For a fact item you cannot Shave using NATS software as you are not allowed to edit the code in that way. However there are a million ways any webmaster can think of to circumvent that. enjoy __________________ I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	1st RULE: You do not talk about shaving.

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Darkcrni Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Right Around The Corner Posts: 1,704	Wow! Guys relax, i was just asking!

05-19-2009, 07:37 AM	#6
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	a while back (I'm talking about 2 or 3 years ago) one of the biggest programmers here on GFY showed that it was possible. I wont name names, but if you do a search for posts by an easy-going, nature-loving programmer here + nats shaving, you'll probably find the thread.

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Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,977	anything is possible

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Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	It's technically possible to shave if you run Nats on a webmaster program, there are several ways, mostly work-arounds, so not a fault/bug/option inside Nats itself. So to answer your question, yes for a sponsor using Nats it is possible to shave, but it can be done without intefering with Nats itself. Also if the program gets caught they will have their Nats license revoked.

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Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Shaving is always possible no matter what affiliate script.It is enough to put parent java script right before join form which replace affiliate id so affiliate will seen clicks in control panel but no joins.

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Rico2009 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 42	Why would a program owner decide to work with NATS if they are planning to shave? Ok, maybe to give webmaster's credibility. But there's no point to deal with NATS if a program owner knows they would be going through all the hassle of shaving. Just create your own program. It is possible to shave on NATS, but it the programmer would have to go through some trouble to be doing that. Not worth SHAVING if you;re on NATS.... __________________ Rico Brazzers Team \| Affiliate and Public Relations Manager Equipo Brazzers \| Director de ventas y relaciones publicas ICQ \| 476-746-386 rico/at/brazzers.com rico/at/sexinyourcity.com

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mn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,505	it's VERY easy to shave whatever software you use... anyone thinking something else is stupid. trust the program or don't trust the program.

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	yes its possible, and plausible as with any software , although to be fair its probably harder to do with nats than with many other affiliate software __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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PPjohn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 871	I feel more safe to work with NATS sponsors, just wanted to mention this, I realy do.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	All these up-in-the-air ways to shave and not one post on how someone could do it. I would like to hear about some of these possible shave methods. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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