How could you describe these days pop music in one sentence? - GoFuckYourself.com

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-24-2009, 09:13 AM

I just listen to a playlist of my fav 70's soul sessions and I read the youtube comments, and what a surprise!

The reply I read for about 101st time is the EVERLASTING cliche that:

"every new generation doesn't understand the culture of the upcoming generation".

I say that it's bullshit!

I say these days pop music is in general the most sterile and boring ever!

It doesn't have heart, it doesn't have soul it doesn't have balls, in most cases it doesn't have ANYTHING to say, and in most cases it's not even fun!

Like a perfumed whore with plastic tits and plastic lips that CAN'T FUCK!

Here's the proof:

Let's talk say the pop culture after the world war II,

I'm spending regularly a lot of time researching about music ever since I was 10 years old, as it's something that always fascinated me, so I will dare to try to comment this.

Let's talk about the 50's:

- you had Rock n Roll coming up, what a revolt!

No more Sinatra BUT nasty moves, nasty lyrics and nastily simple riffs on the stage!

In jazz you had hard bop, cool jazz - incredible times with Chet Baker, Gerry Mulligan, Coltrane, Miles all those greats - what a turbulent time!

the 60's:

- probably the most inspiring era ever, hippie, surfing style, white blues, hard rock, roots of punk rock, alternative rock, golden era of soul - Motown sound

Skinny kid called Iggy Pop is pumping real raw punk rock energy around Detroit with his band Stooges.

Skinny black kid called Jimi Hendrix amazes the world with his honest guitar AND songwriting excellence.

You have one of the best soul arrangers of all time Isaac Hayes stepping into the game.

Andy Warhol fucks everything that moves and starts one of the most respected alternative acts of all time - The Velvet Underground.

In jazz cool transforms into free jazz which is probably the least listenable jazz era ever (and was HEAVILY influenced by the drug consumption).

Then it's Miles who, drugged up beyond recognition fills his band with incredibly talented young musicians who will ALL become legends after they leave and makes the Bitches Brew double album - starting the whole jazz fusion genre!

What a turbulent time!

The 70's:

Hard rock bands are honing their skills and doing more booze and more coke than ever, resulting in many talented musicians dying and many more playing a constant Russian Roulette.

BUT you had the Birmingham band called Black Sabbath - definitely one of the most influential pop music formations of all time laying roots of something HEAVY.

Tommi Iommi is chopping one great riff after another, Bill Ward plays some of the most inventional drums, backed by the versatile bass abilities of a former guitarist Geezer Butler and terrible, but very intense voice and stage presentation of John Osbourne.

They're pissing on all the hippie antics singing about things that are usually very close to most of the people - bad luck, shit hitting the fan and death.

Then you have the whole punk stunt when Malcolm McLaren chooses three assholes and one talented guitarist to form Sex Pistols to sell out all of his punk clothing stores.

You have the new wave of British heavy metal emerging, bands like Budgie, Judas Priest who will later become 80s leather pants super stars etc.

You have Thin Lizzy and the incredibly talented renegade and hero for the masses Phil Lynnot playing every concert with two guitarists and 110 pct. heart.

You have glam rock - Bowie changing genders on the stage, Marc Bolan turning straight guys gay.

You have a lot of alternative things laying its roots - Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Iggy Pop almost dies and goes solo.

You have FUNK music with Brothers Johnson or Earth Wind and Fire hitting the ceiling with their super orthodox afro's.

What a turbulent time!

80's

The era of pure decadence, Uncle Reagan is printing more money than ever and everyone wants to have fun, resulting in the most decadent era up to date and some of the most bizzare visuals in the pop history.

Prince is making milliions while wearing female lingerie and starts what will become probably the biggest one man empire success in the music industry history.

Madonna is giving a serious boner to any straight male and makes many girls and women turn blonde.

Faggots with fake hair are raping the synthesizer, creating the new romance movement.

You have The Cure or U2 creating some of the most sophisticated acts with mass following.

You have the whole trash metal movement on the side, lots of great punk rock bands, interesting heavy metal bands art rock bands lot of things on the side gets still airing in the media.

Van Halen are kicking ass with Diamond Dave literally flying on the stage.

Guns n Roses show how a bunch of compete punks with serious overuse of drugs and booze can create one of the most interesting and dedicated music acts of all time.

The whole old school HIP HOP thing is emerging in the American suburbs.

Stray Cats play old school rockabilly and they make the charts!

A complete drunk and one of my all time fav songwriters Shane McGowan plays old school Irish musicand they make the charts!

What a turbulent time!

1991 - 1996:

Seattle bands who are closer to the 60's hard rock sound sound mixed with punk rock energy are killing the Big Hair.

You have very interesting acts like Bjork Gudmundsdottir hitting media, you have incredibly interesting trip hop scene with Massive Attack, Portishead or Tricky.

Soul and hip hop still make sense with acts like Gang Starr, Tribe Called Quest or Public enemy,

Hell you even have the Nu Metal shit that's getting profane fast but that definitely has some character.

Note that MOST of the artists in the top 40 still actually SING.

The first five years were very turbulent time!

THEN something happened after say 1996 ..there's a big empty

There are good bands but they're usually recyclates of already proven acts - an example are Foo Fighters who produce some of the most entertaining music videos ever while keeping the music real and fun.

1996 - 2000:

?

2001 - 2009:

?

We're in 2009, we can almost bilance now and yes, call me a DICK, because I don't watch MTV anymore so I don't know that many NEW acts I only know that those I've seen are almost exclusively:

NOT INTERESTING (well they're usually interesting visually)

NOT ORIGINAL

NOT EVEN AMUSING

A couple questions:

What's going on?

What is the main MOVEMENT in these days pop culture?

Is there some form of revolt or ANYTHING at all that young people could identify with?

Does it say anything at all?

How can you characterize these days "modern" pop culture?

Could you describe it in one sentence?

Is it mostly an interracial gang rape of the synthesizer and mixing machine these days?

I don't know, help me understand..

naughtyjc · 05-24-2009, 09:24 AM

You are dead on ------ music today has no heart!

geedub · 05-24-2009, 09:30 AM

theres not much better than weezy's lady cop.

orrr best yet.. gucci mane aye r0fl

zomg.

born4porn · 05-24-2009, 09:37 AM

In a word .... PULP

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-24-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by geedub

theres not much better than weezy's lady cop.

orrr best yet.. gucci mane aye r0fl

zomg.

Compare with this:

Iron Fist · 05-24-2009, 10:28 AM

Where's MindWaste when you need him...

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-24-2009, 10:48 AM

To quote the late Bill Hicks:

"Who is buying all this shit man?!?! Is there THAT much baby-sitting money floating around out there?"

JamesK · 05-24-2009, 11:10 AM

"trash" would describe it well

JustDaveXxx · 05-24-2009, 11:47 AM

Wow!! I think its out there, its just not popular. Record executive tell guys to rap about bitches and Ho's or about "putting a ring on it"

redwhiteandblue · 05-24-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

To quote the late Bill Hicks:

"Who is buying all this shit man?!?! Is there THAT much baby-sitting money floating around out there?"

Nobody buys it, until they've played it over and over and over and over and over and over again on the airwaves and on music channels and people get brainwashed into thinking it must be music because otherwise why would they play it over and over and over and over.....

SayWhut · 05-24-2009, 12:30 PM

Lil Wayne is a disgrace to Hip Hop and should be shot dead point blank in the head.

JamesK · 05-24-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SayWhut

Lil Wayne is a disgrace to Hip Hop and should be shot dead point blank in the head.

After Shock Media · 05-24-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Nobody buys it, until they've played it over and over and over and over and over and over again on the airwaves and on music channels and people get brainwashed into thinking it must be music because otherwise why would they play it over and over and over and over.....

Really?
You actually saying nobody sells shit before it is placed in heavy rotation?
I may not like much of todays music, yet I am not that naive nor hateful.

SuckOnThis · 05-24-2009, 01:16 PM

Its because society has become increasingly obsessed with looks and image that substance has become lost. 20 years ago one actually had to have talent, nowadays all it takes to make it is to be a narcissistic freak that a group of wannabes wants to follow.

redwhiteandblue · 05-24-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Really?
You actually saying nobody sells shit before it is placed in heavy rotation?
I may not like much of todays music, yet I am not that naive nor hateful.

I think that people behave like sheep in a lot of ways. Do you think they don't?

After Shock Media · 05-24-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I think that people behave like sheep in a lot of ways. Do you think they don't?

Sure they do.
Though this was about if people buy stuff once it comes out of if they wait until it is in heavy play.

In every generation Carlos posted - it was full of sheep. Hell it could easily be argued by the words of his post and some of the timeline issues that he too is/was just a sheep and only hopped onto things after they were big. Example hip hop hitting American suburbs in the 80's when it started in the 70's, grunge getting footholds in the mid 80's and not the mid nighties, so forth. To say it in simple words - not until after heavy play and everyone else thinking it is already cool.

redwhiteandblue · 05-24-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Sure they do.
Though this was about if people buy stuff once it comes out of if they wait until it is in heavy play.

In every generation Carlos posted - it was full of sheep. Hell it could easily be argued by the words of his post and some of the timeline issues that he too is/was just a sheep and only hopped onto things after they were big. Example hip hop hitting American suburbs in the 80's when it started in the 70's, grunge getting footholds in the mid 80's and not the mid nighties, so forth. To say it in simple words - not until after heavy play and everyone else thinking it is already cool.

Yeah sure, it has always been that way. There was a fair bit of trouble over here in the 60's and 70's with fights between gangs of mods vs. rockers, skinheads vs. teddyboys, etc etc, you could be in one group but not in another, and it was all about being part of that group, that image. The same is true now but the way I see it is, it is now so commercialised that the actual product need not have any merit whatsoever. It's all about the marketing budget exploiting these cultural groups absolutely to the hilt and dictating what people hear and see.

redwhiteandblue · 05-24-2009, 01:43 PM

Actually I just noticed you used the phrase "wait until it is in heavy play". Over here, commercial stations will put a new record on the playlist and play the shit out of it a good month or six weeks or more before it is released. The idea being I guess to get enough momentum behind it to get it as close to #1 in the week of release as possible, from which point it drops down thereafter. I don't really know as I don't follow the ins and outs of the charts, bit old for that now.

Drake · 05-24-2009, 09:15 PM

Good things don't last forever. Music is no exception.

kane · 05-25-2009, 12:00 AM

There was a great article in Rolling Stone not too long ago about the shift in pop culture trends over recent years. It used to be that pop culture was controlled by celebrities and media companies and things like that. The people that bought into it and fueled it were typically people in their late 20's to earlier 30's. These were people who were old enough to have decent paying jobs so they had money to spend, but were young enough to still want to be cool. All of that has changed.

Modern pop culture is now heavily influenced by 13-16 year old girls. These girls have more money now than ever before. They get it either babysitter or working (when old enough) or just get it from their parents. These girls then spend that money on things they think are cool and it helps create a trend. If the new hot item is a brand of clothes these girls run out and buy it up. They are brand loyal, until the next fad comes out, and if one of them has it they all want it. The same goes with music. Britney Spears was put on the map by 15 year old girls. She was everything they wanted to be and they bought up her albums as fast as they could. All the other labels instantly tried to find their version of her.Today the 15 year old girls love Miley Cyrus and The Jonas Brothers. Their loyalty to those acts has made them huge. And it makes every other record company scramble to find something like it. So the market gets flooded with like garbage. They have no interest in putting out something with quality, they just want it to have a good beat and a chorus you can sing.

15 year old girls will change on a dime. What they like now they may hate in 6 months, but if they like it now it is going to be huge. A friend of mine has a daughter who is 14. Last summer she was a fanatic for High School Musical. She was in love with Zac Efron and had watched the movie a million times. She knows every song by heart and every word of the movie. Her entire room was High School Musical stuff. She spent every spare penny on that stuff. Now it is all gone and has been replaced with Twilight. If you ask her about High School Musical she says, "It is dumb." When you say, "But you used to like it." She just says, "Well, not anymore."

Add into that the ADD nature of TV, Radio and the internet and nobody has any kind of attention span these days. The record labels have stopped trying to develop bands and are now just marketing singles. They want to sell the 15 year old girl the hot new song, the ringtone for that song and hopefully a ticket to see that artist when they come to town to play that song. The artist knows they have a limited shelf life so they put out a clothing line and dvds and anything else they can sell you. By the time they are sick of that song there will be another one out. It is all disposable so there is no heart or soul needed because it is just a product not art. And that is sad.

Sorry for the rant

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Sure they do.
Though this was about if people buy stuff once it comes out of if they wait until it is in heavy play.

In every generation Carlos posted - it was full of sheep. Hell it could easily be argued by the words of his post and some of the timeline issues that he too is/was just a sheep and only hopped onto things after they were big. Example hip hop hitting American suburbs in the 80's when it started in the 70's, grunge getting footholds in the mid 80's and not the mid nighties, so forth. To say it in simple words - not until after heavy play and everyone else thinking it is already cool.

I'm talking about POP culture, something that is popular, someone has to enable it so it becomes popular, it has to receive space in the media. I'm mentioning years when it got mass popularity.

If you so want to talk about me, I don't know why - let's take an example - When Nirvana came out I was a kid living in the ass of the world, so how could I figure out there were Settle bands before all that? There was NO internet at that time and I guess we didn't even have private tv channels at that time yet, no satellite, nothing.

The first tape I ever received was Guns n Roses "Use Your Illussion I" holy shit I love that record by today, of course partly through the eyes of a nostalgy BUT even after I heard some 2 500 records more over the years it STILL kicks ass and they sold MILLIONS of copies of that album worldwide.

I'm talking POP culture, something that you CAN find in media.

And believe, after I had in my hands a contract from Sony BMG I know that those bands I mentioned as unique COULDN'T sign anything like that, or they wouldn't sound like them but they would sound like all those castrated, politically corrected, overpolished pseudo rock bands that get their time out there now to try to hypnose others that it's rock.

So what's your point again?

I say it's the BIG LIE theory now, those bands are artificially stylized to fill 40 minutes of airtime a day with politically correct bullshit.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Nobody buys it, until they've played it over and over and over and over and over and over again on the airwaves and on music channels and people get brainwashed into thinking it must be music because otherwise why would they play it over and over and over and over.....

Exactly, it's the BIG LIE theory.

You repeat shit over and over till it turns gold in someones eyes.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Its because society has become increasingly obsessed with looks and image that substance has become lost. 20 years ago one actually had to have talent, nowadays all it takes to make it is to be a narcissistic freak that a group of wannabes wants to follow.

Very true, let's see an an example, I just spoke to a friend of mine, he's a car mechanic in his early 20's, not extremely bright, modern gay clothes, very trendy boy not original in any way, good mechanic though and he listens to Lil Wayne etc.

The problem is he DOESN'T understand English!

So I said DUDE, what's the point, do you know anything about hip hop?

Hip hop is where lyrics is important, and especially in case of Lil Wayne where you have all those jungle shrieks and terrible PC speaker like sounds in the background, it's the ONLY thing that CAN be interesting.

So I asked him why would you listen to this if you don't understand what he's rapping about?

Obviously he couldn't give me any answer, he's just another victim of the mass media lobotomy of style.

voa · 05-25-2009, 05:07 AM

The new music is crap...singers like Britney or like Christina Aguilera. its stupid songs

John-ACWM · 05-25-2009, 06:57 AM

True.I would love to live the Sinatra days.I really think The Voice lived his life.

Scott McD · 05-25-2009, 07:04 AM

Pop music today =

Considering this is never off the radio, or in clubs, or wherever, pretty much sums it up for me.

Poker face :
"i won't tell you that i love you,
kiss or hug you
cause i'm bluffin, with my muffin,
i'm not lying, i'm stunnin' with my love glue gunnin,
just like a chick in the casino
take your bank before i pay you out
i promise this, promise this
check the hand cause i'm marvelous"

Fucking stupid ass shit !! And people buy this stuff ??

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

There was a great article in Rolling Stone not too long ago about the shift in pop culture trends over recent years. It used to be that pop culture was controlled by celebrities and media companies and things like that. The people that bought into it and fueled it were typically people in their late 20's to earlier 30's. These were people who were old enough to have decent paying jobs so they had money to spend, but were young enough to still want to be cool. All of that has changed.

Haven't read that but I've been thinking about this for a long time now

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Modern pop culture is now heavily influenced by 13-16 year old girls. These girls have more money now than ever before. They get it either babysitter or working (when old enough) or just get it from their parents. These girls then spend that money on things they think are cool and it helps create a trend. If the new hot item is a brand of clothes these girls run out and buy it up. They are brand loyal, until the next fad comes out, and if one of them has it they all want it. The same goes with music. Britney Spears was put on the map by 15 year old girls. She was everything they wanted to be and they bought up her albums as fast as they could. All the other labels instantly tried to find their version of her.Today the 15 year old girls love Miley Cyrus and The Jonas Brothers. Their loyalty to those acts has made them huge. And it makes every other record company scramble to find something like it. So the market gets flooded with like garbage. They have no interest in putting out something with quality, they just want it to have a good beat and a chorus you can sing.

That's the only explanation, I mean I see guys in modern gay clothes and they listen to stuff that's made for kids! I said to them hey this ain't done for adults, this is for kids!

They didn't get it I guess, they know it's in vogue and that's it.

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15 year old girls will change on a dime. What they like now they may hate in 6 months, but if they like it now it is going to be huge. A friend of mine has a daughter who is 14. Last summer she was a fanatic for High School Musical. She was in love with Zac Efron and had watched the movie a million times. She knows every song by heart and every word of the movie. Her entire room was High School Musical stuff. She spent every spare penny on that stuff. Now it is all gone and has been replaced with Twilight. If you ask her about High School Musical she says, "It is dumb." When you say, "But you used to like it." She just says, "Well, not anymore."

Yeah but that's very normal, you are somehow developing the style over the years, I was lucky I could listen to Jimi Hendrix when I was 12, so you can hardly go much worse after that and I've been lucky I had many mentors showing me not only rock music, but also blues, jazz, funk, soul.. I need to listen to something different all the time.

There's so much incredibly amazing music out there, that even if there will be a hairy ass farting on MTV in the prime time within 10 years time I'll STILL have enough great music to explore until the end of the days.

But the general pop music sucks so much, that someone WITHOUT an interest in the whole music thing is exposed to more insanity than ever.

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Add into that the ADD nature of TV, Radio and the internet and nobody has any kind of attention span these days. The record labels have stopped trying to develop bands and are now just marketing singles. They want to sell the 15 year old girl the hot new song, the ringtone for that song and hopefully a ticket to see that artist when they come to town to play that song. The artist knows they have a limited shelf life so they put out a clothing line and dvds and anything else they can sell you. By the time they are sick of that song there will be another one out. It is all disposable so there is no heart or soul needed because it is just a product not art. And that is sad.

Sorry for the rant

That's what I was thinking about too - why create another Madonna if you can create 10 more 50 cents and make more money on them ? (marginally)

Without them trying to bark at you, because you have 10 gimps like that in the closet ready to take their place on MTV.

You don't even need to hire a good producer or any musicians, you give them a syntesizer and start the PC speaker in the background - ingenious business model in a way.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by voa

The new music is crap...singers like Britney or like Christina Aguilera. its stupid songs

I don't think they're too bad you know

I think they're entertainers, at least they can sing etc.

Easy listening?

Maybe,

but that's ok, and it was always there - Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey - of course they are FABULOUS singers, incredible singers and one can enjoy listen to them only because of the voice (needless to say the arrangements were better too, I can't imagine Marcus Miller playing on a Lil Wayne record, he could probably only beat him up with his bass cause there's nothing to play) but YES it's nothing mind breaking.

This should be there, mainstream entertainment pop thing, it has it's place in there.

But at the point where 75 pct. of top 40 CAN'T and don't even try to sing?

I would say there's something wrong.

redwhiteandblue · 05-25-2009, 07:56 AM

This thread prompts me to post this link which sums everything up for me, especially the first few paragraphs:

"While 2008 is unlikely to go down in history as a vintage year for classic songs, it well and truly earned its entry in the Stinkers Almanac, with a tide of pop effluent that had our ears stockpiling wax and fashioning it into a musical dam.

Perhaps the biggest insult to taste and decency came in the shape of what's been described as 'flat-pack indie'.

These were bands who appeared to have been assembled on a production line to look and sound as much like "wot da kids are into" as possible, but on closer inspection were insubstantial, cynically marketed facsimiles of groups from the recent past ? minus the creative spark that terrifies record companies because it so often results in said groups making music that DOESN'T GET PLAYED ON THE RADIO.

Their MDF counterparts, however, could be relied upon to deliver perky, inoffensive, digital-station-friendly fluff that, as was discovered, people would buy by the bucketload, seemingly unaware that every record sold by the likes of The Courteeners, Hoosiers, The Wombats and Scouting For Girls is a vote for Satan and all his farting elves."

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/musi...entid=12018683

It relates more to the UK music scene, but you could reasonably apply the same criticism to the R&B scene in the US.

AssPirate · 05-25-2009, 08:53 AM

During the late Nineties, I enjoyed the music from movie soundtracks. I think it all started when the first Crow movie came out. It became a great time for electronic music, especially when Trent Reznor started dabbling in incidental music. Other notable soundtracks that I enjoyed are the ones from Showgirls (with Prince, no less), Spawn (metal meets techno was hot!), Virtuosity, Go! and even I Know What You Did Last Summer.

bronco67 · 05-25-2009, 08:56 AM

The top ten is populated with absolute fucking garbage music. Not saying I only like stuff I grew up with .... there's tons of great new music, it just doesn't get any airplay. The masses are asses, plain and simple.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John-ACWM

True.I would love to live the Sinatra days.I really think The Voice lived his life.

Well Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Nat King Cole, Tony Bennet - lots of style, lots of talent and lots of charisma, lots of class, especially if you're confronted with the 2009 synthesizer meltdown, those songs sure are a therapy.

It's too bad you have to look like you just went out of the ghetto if you want to look hype these days.

We've came from this:

To this:

Like he can wear stockings with a cock in a transparent tan lines I don't care, after all, that all was here before and he seems to immitate the Michael Jackson trademark cock grab on that pic anyway, just the music was never that impotent.

O MARINA · 05-25-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

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To this:

Like he can wear stockings with a cock in a transparent tan lines I don't care, after all, that all was here before and he seems to immitate the Michael Jackson trademark cock grab on that pic anyway, just the music was never that impotent.

Carlos stop hating

Walrus · 05-25-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

There are good bands but they're usually recyclates of already proven acts - an example are Foo Fighters who produce some of the most entertaining music videos ever while keeping the music real and fun.

2001 - 2009:

?

All music is recyled to some degree. Even those artists back in the 50s like Chuck Berry and Little Richard were influenced by the old blues players. And then the 60s artists were influenced by the 50s rockers and the blues players and whomever. And on and on it goes...

For me personally, I think the best band for this era is The White Stripes. They really took a unique approach to their music. I don't think a band has ever blended punk and blues together so well. Meg White rocks the drums, while Jack White plays a mean blues guitar. It's simplistic in its form, but also very effective music.

A few of their songs:

Hand Springs , We're Going To Be Friends, Seven Nation Army

There are other bands I like from this decade too... like Coldplay, Gorillaz, Audioslave, etc. But none quite like The White Stripes. Although, I would say that Green Day had the single best rock album this decade has seen. I would say that 2004's 'American Idiot' was a perfect album. I think it's one of the great all time rock albums. So rock is not dead.. yet.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

Carlos stop hating

Marina don't give me this "Carlos stop hating" thing, you know I don't care if you fancy a cock grab or huge sunglasses, that all is all right.

But give me a favor, tell your pal to get that hand off the cock, hit the rehearsal room, move his ebony ass from the solarium behind the piano, throw away the synthesizer and do something!

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-25-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

Pop music today =

Considering this is never off the radio, or in clubs, or wherever, pretty much sums it up for me.

Poker face :
"i won't tell you that i love you,
kiss or hug you
cause i'm bluffin, with my muffin,
i'm not lying, i'm stunnin' with my love glue gunnin,
just like a chick in the casino
take your bank before i pay you out
i promise this, promise this
check the hand cause i'm marvelous"

Fucking stupid ass shit !! And people buy this stuff ??

Ha ha, the text is killing it!

But I guess she actually has a great production team behind her, I've actually seen a video for this and it was incredibly decadent and interesting.

I mean this is quite the thing you can play on a disco for 14 year old kids, like you had all bands like Mr. president or Vengaboys or I don't know what in the past, harmless pop music for kids or when you're drunk.

The problem starts once you hear this 10 times a day and you don't even want to.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-26-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

This thread prompts me to post this link which sums everything up for me, especially the first few paragraphs:

"While 2008 is unlikely to go down in history as a vintage year for classic songs, it well and truly earned its entry in the Stinkers Almanac, with a tide of pop effluent that had our ears stockpiling wax and fashioning it into a musical dam.

Perhaps the biggest insult to taste and decency came in the shape of what's been described as 'flat-pack indie'.

These were bands who appeared to have been assembled on a production line to look and sound as much like "wot da kids are into" as possible, but on closer inspection were insubstantial, cynically marketed facsimiles of groups from the recent past – minus the creative spark that terrifies record companies because it so often results in said groups making music that DOESN'T GET PLAYED ON THE RADIO.

Their MDF counterparts, however, could be relied upon to deliver perky, inoffensive, digital-station-friendly fluff that, as was discovered, people would buy by the bucketload, seemingly unaware that every record sold by the likes of The Courteeners, Hoosiers, The Wombats and Scouting For Girls is a vote for Satan and all his farting elves."

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/musi...entid=12018683

It relates more to the UK music scene, but you could reasonably apply the same criticism to the R&B scene in the US.

Yeah, you know I actually believe that some hardcore marketing specialists made a research what shit would be good to offer to different segments of the target audience.

It seems they almost have something artificcially flavored for any group - pseudo punk for pseudo revoltists with pockets full of pocket money, pseudo rock, pseudo hardcore, pseudo R n B, pseudo rap etc.

Of course this DOESN'T work with those, who had a chance to realize what real music is, so this is again targeted at those, who are say younger and have more money to waste than ever.

I think we're almost there, it seems that the music of today almost exclusively ain't made for adults.

PurrrsianPussyKat · 05-26-2009, 04:44 AM

Music today is shit.

Is that a sentence? :D

nico-t · 05-26-2009, 05:10 AM

one of the worst songs ever.
he cant rap. he cant sing. it sounds like his vocal chords are deformed. unbelievably stupid lyrics. and they're in desperate need of a good tailor, look at those oversized suits.

AtlantisCash · 05-26-2009, 05:37 AM

a dumbass music listened by people who has the lack of qualification.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-27-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Walrus

All music is recyled to some degree. Even those artists back in the 50s like Chuck Berry and Little Richard were influenced by the old blues players. And then the 60s artists were influenced by the 50s rockers and the blues players and whomever. And on and on it goes...

For me personally, I think the best band for this era is The White Stripes. They really took a unique approach to their music. I don't think a band has ever blended punk and blues together so well. Meg White rocks the drums, while Jack White plays a mean blues guitar. It's simplistic in its form, but also very effective music.

A few of their songs:

Hand Springs , We're Going To Be Friends, Seven Nation Army

There are other bands I like from this decade too... like Coldplay, Gorillaz, Audioslave, etc. But none quite like The White Stripes. Although, I would say that Green Day had the single best rock album this decade has seen. I would say that 2004's 'American Idiot' was a perfect album. I think it's one of the great all time rock albums. So rock is not dead.. yet.

Well there's a difference between being influenced by blues creating rock n roll and to continue playing something you play for 20 years already with a different name.

It almost seems those artists (who made their name before say 96) are the only cases that get a shot today yet (and they're already being moved outside prime time and heading towards the "classic" channel), well they already have their audience, no one needs to propagate them that hectically, it's more like maintaining.

I couldn't tell a best rock album of this decade, very hard, the only one that comes to my mind immediately out of the blue is "Avenue B" from Iggy Pop, well that was a very interesting thing, when I saw him last year with Stooges they kicked serious ass too.

Might mention also Alice Cooper "Dragontown" - hardly "the best" but pretty solid. Alice Cooper delivers stellar records after 1994. after his big hair comeback faded away.

But something a little bit comparable to generation records such say "British Steel" from 1980 or Apetite for Destruction in 1987?

Haven't noticed.

Even the most hairy hair metal from the 80's sounds these days like something almost inventional and with real balls.

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-28-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

one of the worst songs ever.
he cant rap. he cant sing. it sounds like his vocal chords are deformed. unbelievably stupid lyrics. and they're in desperate need of a good tailor, look at those oversized suits.

Yeah I was a victim of this when I went to a sports bar to watch some NHL some time ago, at about 3 AM it was still a bit till the game started and they played MTV with sound.

I saw this clip and said to myself man EVERYTHING is wrong with this!

- looking horrible
- no style
- no skills
- retarded lyrics
- extremely terrible overall production
- extremely poor loop in the background
- extremely poor idea for the video

I asked myself - is this enough?

Because if it is. then we're really heading towards ASS winning the Oscar award for farting, as shown in a movie prophecy called "Idiocracy" recently.

MikeSmoke · 05-28-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Really?
You actually saying nobody sells shit before it is placed in heavy rotation?
I may not like much of todays music, yet I am not that naive nor hateful.

For the most part, that's been true since the dawn of music on the radio (or later, MTV).

jerryb · 05-28-2009, 03:42 AM

Buddy Rich, Doc Severensen, Count Basie, Henry Mancini are tops in my opinion.

MikeSmoke · 05-28-2009, 03:45 AM

From an old fart's standpoint, things started going downhill fast in the 90s, for the most part. There's still tons of potential in the individual musicians --- but whether it has to do with the record companies and what they need for airplay, the culture in general, or something else --- the potential often doesn't seem realized.

Example: I like what I've heard from the new Green Day album...but there's also a sameness to it that you didn't always hear from great artists in the 60s, 70s or 80s, who were always trying new styles and new things. (I *do* really like "Last of the American Girls" though lol.)

Example: I'm definitely not a NIN fan, but I went to the Nails/Jane's Addiction show here last week (my wife is a crazy NIN fan and the tickets were her Mother's Day present lol). I'd never seen him live before, but it was so obvious, even to me - it's sick how talented a musician Trent is. But IMO there's so much more he could do to make "great" music than most of the NIN stuff has been, compared to the "great" music from true talents from the earlier decades. (And I actually enjoyed the opening act, the Street Sweeper Social Club with Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, more than Nails or Jane's Addiction - their music was...well...more musical lol.)

I know I'm hopelessly old - but I don't hate everyone and everything - and I can't relate to music that does

CarlosTheGaucho · 05-28-2009, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

From an old fart's standpoint, things started going downhill fast in the 90s, for the most part. There's still tons of potential in the individual musicians --- but whether it has to do with the record companies and what they need for airplay, the culture in general, or something else --- the potential often doesn't seem realized.

Well it's kind of weird since start of the 90's was a revival of the more rusty sound against the polished hair metal 80's etc. it all looked very promising at that time, but then it went completely synthetic and it is still like that for the last couple years.

It's hard to breath fresh air as they really seem to choke any talent or pseudo talent for babysitting money.

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Example: I like what I've heard from the new Green Day album...but there's also a sameness to it that you didn't always hear from great artists in the 60s, 70s or 80s, who were always trying new styles and new things. (I *do* really like "Last of the American Girls" though lol.)

Well I enjoy real hip hop against fake ass hip hop, I don't even mind dance music cause that's something that's not made to listen at home. Then I usually don't like drum and bass but I heard this guy Roni Size and said to myself - damn this is really inspiring music, the man knows what he's doing!

But I really dislike anything fake and phony, and that what they're trying to push, it's hard to believe anyone can take all the ass material that's flowing out of the TV seriously, it's not even interesting or fun, what is even funny these days?

Watching 8 female sweaty asses jump all over an ebony crusader that has serious ussues reciting a very retarded text over a gazzilion of synthesizer adapters to provide the most fake "entertainment" in history?

Fuck Diamond Dave singing about girls was not to break your brain but at least you could FEEL it's fun!

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Example: I'm definitely not a NIN fan, but I went to the Nails/Jane's Addiction show here last week (my wife is a crazy NIN fan and the tickets were her Mother's Day present lol). I'd never seen him live before, but it was so obvious, even to me - it's sick how talented a musician Trent is. But IMO there's so much more he could do to make "great" music than most of the NIN stuff has been, compared to the "great" music from true talents from the earlier decades. (And I actually enjoyed the opening act, the Street Sweeper Social Club with Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, more than Nails or Jane's Addiction - their music was...well...more musical lol.)

Jane's are playing together again?

Shit seems like I missed it, they're one of the most intense concert acts of all time, I got a little bit more familiar with NIN over Lost Highway from Lynch.

Some songs are really intersting, disturbing, nervous, modern although I think he's a little bit binded with his whole image.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

I know I'm hopelessly old - but I don't hate everyone and everything - and I can't relate to music that does

I don't think we're discussing age that much here, i don't think I'm this old, I think we're more like discussing common sense and how low can a production of "entertainment" go to still lux someone's vallet.

sexandcash · 05-28-2009, 04:02 AM

Just dance, you've got it-you've got it just dance....

I used a phrase or an incomplete sentence...

MikeSmoke · 05-28-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Well it's kind of weird since start of the 90's was a revival of the more rusty sound against the polished hair metal 80's etc. it all looked very promising at that time, but then it went completely synthetic and it is still like that for the last couple years.

Well, having been in the business at the time - a lot of what happened in the 90s was fallout from the comeback of radio payola (under a different name - it was "promotion dollars" from the record companies). That's what they were pushing because it brought in tons of money from the teenies, so that's what got played. (Ever wonder why sometimes it seemed you couldn't hear anything except The Backstreet Boys, Ace of Base, Boyz 2 Men, Christina, Celine and the Spice Girls when you turned on the radio in the 90s? It's easy: $$$.)

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Well I enjoy real hip hop against fake ass hip hop, I don't even mind dance music cause that's something that's not made to listen at home.

Can't add much here - not a hip hop fan except for the songs that were funny and fun (I'm down with OPP, but couldn't give two craps about east vs. west coast.) Dance music could be fun, if you were at a dance club

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

But I really dislike anything fake and phony, and that what they're trying to push, it's hard to believe anyone can take all the ass material that's flowing out of the TV seriously, it's not even interesting or fun, what is even funny these days?

You've hit the nail on the head. There's been interesting music this decade (not just indy stuff or 90s legacy bands like Green Day - but even stuff from, believe it or not, people like Neil Diamond - listen to "Pretty Amazing Grace" if you want to hear a GREAT record). But fun, or funny? That well pretty much dried up in the 90s

And to me, that's one of the things that made music from the 50s through the early 90s great. (BTW, I'm definitely not a country fan, but if you want to find a recent, really fun song - check out "She Left Me For Jesus" by Hayes Carl."

)

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Fuck Diamond Dave singing about girls was not to break your brain but at least you could FEEL it's fun!

Wasn't really big on that one personally, but I get your point - I'd use Dee Snyder and "We're Not Gonna Take It" as my example

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Jane's are playing together again?
Shit seems like I missed it, they're one of the most intense concert acts of all time

Yep, touring with NIN - not sure where you live but I think they just started the tour recently so you might still be able to catch them. They were kicking ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I got a little bit more familiar with NIN over Lost Highway from Lynch.
Some songs are really intersting, disturbing, nervous, modern although I think he's a little bit binded with his whole image.

True...although he's such a talent he's entitled to be somewhat taken with himself lol. But that's also my point.....I can only take so much interesting, disturbing, nervous, modern ---- before I just want to have fun and enjoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I don't think we're discussing age that much here, i don't think I'm this old, I think we're more like discussing common sense and how low can a production of "entertainment" go to still lux someone's vallet.

True, it's not "just" about age --- but as you get older, you also start to realize that many times, listening to classic rock makes you happier than finding new and interesting bands. Just comes with the territory

Agent 488 · 05-28-2009, 04:25 AM

better than the beatles.

BlackCrayon · 05-28-2009, 04:52 AM

majority of todays pop music is written by old men for 12 year old girls. Its a business, nothing more.

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CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,512	How could you describe these days pop music in one sentence? I just listen to a playlist of my fav 70's soul sessions and I read the youtube comments, and what a surprise! The reply I read for about 101st time is the EVERLASTING cliche that: "every new generation doesn't understand the culture of the upcoming generation". I say that it's bullshit! I say these days pop music is in general the most sterile and boring ever! It doesn't have heart, it doesn't have soul it doesn't have balls, in most cases it doesn't have ANYTHING to say, and in most cases it's not even fun! Like a perfumed whore with plastic tits and plastic lips that CAN'T FUCK! Here's the proof: Let's talk say the pop culture after the world war II, I'm spending regularly a lot of time researching about music ever since I was 10 years old, as it's something that always fascinated me, so I will dare to try to comment this. Let's talk about the 50's: - you had Rock n Roll coming up, what a revolt! No more Sinatra BUT nasty moves, nasty lyrics and nastily simple riffs on the stage! In jazz you had hard bop, cool jazz - incredible times with Chet Baker, Gerry Mulligan, Coltrane, Miles all those greats - what a turbulent time! the 60's: - probably the most inspiring era ever, hippie, surfing style, white blues, hard rock, roots of punk rock, alternative rock, golden era of soul - Motown sound Skinny kid called Iggy Pop is pumping real raw punk rock energy around Detroit with his band Stooges. Skinny black kid called Jimi Hendrix amazes the world with his honest guitar AND songwriting excellence. You have one of the best soul arrangers of all time Isaac Hayes stepping into the game. Andy Warhol fucks everything that moves and starts one of the most respected alternative acts of all time - The Velvet Underground. In jazz cool transforms into free jazz which is probably the least listenable jazz era ever (and was HEAVILY influenced by the drug consumption). Then it's Miles who, drugged up beyond recognition fills his band with incredibly talented young musicians who will ALL become legends after they leave and makes the Bitches Brew double album - starting the whole jazz fusion genre! What a turbulent time! The 70's: Hard rock bands are honing their skills and doing more booze and more coke than ever, resulting in many talented musicians dying and many more playing a constant Russian Roulette. BUT you had the Birmingham band called Black Sabbath - definitely one of the most influential pop music formations of all time laying roots of something HEAVY. Tommi Iommi is chopping one great riff after another, Bill Ward plays some of the most inventional drums, backed by the versatile bass abilities of a former guitarist Geezer Butler and terrible, but very intense voice and stage presentation of John Osbourne. They're pissing on all the hippie antics singing about things that are usually very close to most of the people - bad luck, shit hitting the fan and death. Then you have the whole punk stunt when Malcolm McLaren chooses three assholes and one talented guitarist to form Sex Pistols to sell out all of his punk clothing stores. You have the new wave of British heavy metal emerging, bands like Budgie, Judas Priest who will later become 80s leather pants super stars etc. You have Thin Lizzy and the incredibly talented renegade and hero for the masses Phil Lynnot playing every concert with two guitarists and 110 pct. heart. You have glam rock - Bowie changing genders on the stage, Marc Bolan turning straight guys gay. You have a lot of alternative things laying its roots - Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Iggy Pop almost dies and goes solo. You have FUNK music with Brothers Johnson or Earth Wind and Fire hitting the ceiling with their super orthodox afro's. What a turbulent time! 80's The era of pure decadence, Uncle Reagan is printing more money than ever and everyone wants to have fun, resulting in the most decadent era up to date and some of the most bizzare visuals in the pop history. Prince is making milliions while wearing female lingerie and starts what will become probably the biggest one man empire success in the music industry history. Madonna is giving a serious boner to any straight male and makes many girls and women turn blonde. Faggots with fake hair are raping the synthesizer, creating the new romance movement. You have The Cure or U2 creating some of the most sophisticated acts with mass following. You have the whole trash metal movement on the side, lots of great punk rock bands, interesting heavy metal bands art rock bands lot of things on the side gets still airing in the media. Van Halen are kicking ass with Diamond Dave literally flying on the stage. Guns n Roses show how a bunch of compete punks with serious overuse of drugs and booze can create one of the most interesting and dedicated music acts of all time. The whole old school HIP HOP thing is emerging in the American suburbs. Stray Cats play old school rockabilly and they make the charts! A complete drunk and one of my all time fav songwriters Shane McGowan plays old school Irish musicand they make the charts! What a turbulent time! 1991 - 1996: Seattle bands who are closer to the 60's hard rock sound sound mixed with punk rock energy are killing the Big Hair. You have very interesting acts like Bjork Gudmundsdottir hitting media, you have incredibly interesting trip hop scene with Massive Attack, Portishead or Tricky. Soul and hip hop still make sense with acts like Gang Starr, Tribe Called Quest or Public enemy, Hell you even have the Nu Metal shit that's getting profane fast but that definitely has some character. Note that MOST of the artists in the top 40 still actually SING. The first five years were very turbulent time! THEN something happened after say 1996 ..there's a big empty There are good bands but they're usually recyclates of already proven acts - an example are Foo Fighters who produce some of the most entertaining music videos ever while keeping the music real and fun. 1996 - 2000: ? 2001 - 2009: ? We're in 2009, we can almost bilance now and yes, call me a DICK, because I don't watch MTV anymore so I don't know that many NEW acts I only know that those I've seen are almost exclusively: NOT INTERESTING (well they're usually interesting visually) NOT ORIGINAL NOT EVEN AMUSING A couple questions: What's going on? What is the main MOVEMENT in these days pop culture? Is there some form of revolt or ANYTHING at all that young people could identify with? Does it say anything at all? How can you characterize these days "modern" pop culture? Could you describe it in one sentence? Is it mostly an interracial gang rape of the synthesizer and mixing machine these days? I don't know, help me understand.. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year? 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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	There was a great article in Rolling Stone not too long ago about the shift in pop culture trends over recent years. It used to be that pop culture was controlled by celebrities and media companies and things like that. The people that bought into it and fueled it were typically people in their late 20's to earlier 30's. These were people who were old enough to have decent paying jobs so they had money to spend, but were young enough to still want to be cool. All of that has changed. Modern pop culture is now heavily influenced by 13-16 year old girls. These girls have more money now than ever before. They get it either babysitter or working (when old enough) or just get it from their parents. These girls then spend that money on things they think are cool and it helps create a trend. If the new hot item is a brand of clothes these girls run out and buy it up. They are brand loyal, until the next fad comes out, and if one of them has it they all want it. The same goes with music. Britney Spears was put on the map by 15 year old girls. She was everything they wanted to be and they bought up her albums as fast as they could. All the other labels instantly tried to find their version of her.Today the 15 year old girls love Miley Cyrus and The Jonas Brothers. Their loyalty to those acts has made them huge. And it makes every other record company scramble to find something like it. So the market gets flooded with like garbage. They have no interest in putting out something with quality, they just want it to have a good beat and a chorus you can sing. 15 year old girls will change on a dime. What they like now they may hate in 6 months, but if they like it now it is going to be huge. A friend of mine has a daughter who is 14. Last summer she was a fanatic for High School Musical. She was in love with Zac Efron and had watched the movie a million times. She knows every song by heart and every word of the movie. Her entire room was High School Musical stuff. She spent every spare penny on that stuff. Now it is all gone and has been replaced with Twilight. If you ask her about High School Musical she says, "It is dumb." When you say, "But you used to like it." She just says, "Well, not anymore." Add into that the ADD nature of TV, Radio and the internet and nobody has any kind of attention span these days. The record labels have stopped trying to develop bands and are now just marketing singles. They want to sell the 15 year old girl the hot new song, the ringtone for that song and hopefully a ticket to see that artist when they come to town to play that song. The artist knows they have a limited shelf life so they put out a clothing line and dvds and anything else they can sell you. By the time they are sick of that song there will be another one out. It is all disposable so there is no heart or soul needed because it is just a product not art. And that is sad. Sorry for the rant

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	one of the worst songs ever. he cant rap. he cant sing. it sounds like his vocal chords are deformed. unbelievably stupid lyrics. and they're in desperate need of a good tailor, look at those oversized suits.

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jerryb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Saginaw, Michigan USA Posts: 588	I'm 72 yo Buddy Rich, Doc Severensen, Count Basie, Henry Mancini are tops in my opinion.

05-28-2009, 03:45 AM	#45
MikeSmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,233	From an old fart's standpoint, things started going downhill fast in the 90s, for the most part. There's still tons of potential in the individual musicians --- but whether it has to do with the record companies and what they need for airplay, the culture in general, or something else --- the potential often doesn't seem realized. Example: I like what I've heard from the new Green Day album...but there's also a sameness to it that you didn't always hear from great artists in the 60s, 70s or 80s, who were always trying new styles and new things. (I do really like "Last of the American Girls" though lol.) Example: I'm definitely not a NIN fan, but I went to the Nails/Jane's Addiction show here last week (my wife is a crazy NIN fan and the tickets were her Mother's Day present lol). I'd never seen him live before, but it was so obvious, even to me - it's sick how talented a musician Trent is. But IMO there's so much more he could do to make "great" music than most of the NIN stuff has been, compared to the "great" music from true talents from the earlier decades. (And I actually enjoyed the opening act, the Street Sweeper Social Club with Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, more than Nails or Jane's Addiction - their music was...well...more musical lol.) I know I'm hopelessly old - but I don't hate everyone and everything - and I can't relate to music that does __________________ icq: 541-739-92

05-28-2009, 04:02 AM	#47
sexandcash Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,566	Just dance, you've got it-you've got it just dance.... I used a phrase or an incomplete sentence... __________________ SexandCash ICQ: 490-947-295

05-28-2009, 04:25 AM	#49
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	better than the beatles.

05-28-2009, 04:52 AM	#50
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	majority of todays pop music is written by old men for 12 year old girls. Its a business, nothing more. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..